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Òåìà: Re: Àáñîëþòíûé ñëóõ(÷àñòü ÷åòâåðòàÿ).
Âðåìÿ: 02.08.2007 08:17 |
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Ëàäíî, ïîñëåäíÿÿ ðåïëèêà. Òîò handbook Ó ÌÅÍß ÈÌÅÅÒÑß - ÿ åãî âåñü ïðî÷åë - òàê âîò - â íåì ñòðàíèö äîñòàòî÷íî ìàëî, ñóùåñòâåííî ïîìåíüøå ÷åì â òâîåì ôàéëå. Ñîäåðæàíèå èíîå, îíî êîå-ãäå, î÷åíü êîðîòêî ïåðåñåêàåòñÿ ñ ôàéëîì, ÷òî òû âûñòàâèë. ÒÀÌ ÓÏÐÀÆÍÅÍÈÉ ÍÅÒ, ÒÎ ÅÑÒÜ ÂÎÎÁÙÅ - ÍÈ ÎÄÍÎÃÎ. ÍÀÉÄÈ ÝÒÎÒ HANDBOOK - È ÏÎÑÌÎÒÐÈ Â ÍÅÃÎ. ÏÎÒÎÌ ÍÀÏÈØÈ ÒÓÒ ÎÏÐÎÂÅÐÆÅÍÈÅ ñâîåé òðàäèöèîííîé æåë÷íîé òóôòå, ïîæàëóéñòà. P.S. Ñåðãåé - òû ñóäèøü î ñîäåðæàíèè êíèãè ïî ôîòîãðàôèè åå îáëîæêè?!!!! ×òî òû òàì ïðî ñîâêîâîñòü-òî ìÿìëèë òóò? Ïðî îáîñíîâàííîñòü àðãóìåíòàöèè è ïðî÷åå?! Òû ÷òî, ñóìàñøåäøèé? P.P.S. Âñå, îêîí÷àòåëüíî çàâÿçûâàþ ñâîè ïîÿâëåíèÿ òóò. Óñïåõîâ, ãîñïîäà! |
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Òåìà: Re: Àáñîëþòíûé ñëóõ(÷àñòü ÷åòâåðòàÿ).
Âðåìÿ: 02.08.2007 09:20 |
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LUCKY ß, êîíå÷íî, ïîíèìàþ, ÷òî ó òåáÿ íå ëàäèòñÿ ñ Ñåðãåÿì. Íî íà ôîðóì-òî çà÷åì îáèæàòüñÿ? Ìû òóò ïðè ÷åì? |
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Òåìà: Re: Àáñîëþòíûé ñëóõ(÷àñòü ÷åòâåðòàÿ).
Âðåìÿ: 02.08.2007 10:03 |
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Æåíÿ: ñ Ñåðãååì áîëåå ìåíåå ÿñíî, íî ãäå òâîÿ-òî ñàìîñòîÿòåëüíîñòü ìûøëåíèÿ? Äåëî íå â îáèäå - äåëî âî âðåìåíè - åãî æàëêî, ìàëî çäåñü êîíñòðóêòèâà. Ñàì îöåíè - ãëîáàëüíî, ñêîëüêî çäåñü çà ïîñëåäíèé ãîä íîâûõ ìûñëåé? Ïàëüöåâ îäíîé ðóêè áóäåò ìíîãî ![]() ÏÀÂÅË ÍÈÊÎËÀÅÂÈ× ÁÅÐÅÆÀÍÑÊÈÉ: åñëè Âû ÷èòàåòå ýòè ñòðîêè - ÿ åùå ðàç ïîâòîðþ ñïåöèàëüíî äëÿ Âàñ: Îïóáëèêîâàííàÿ Ñåðãååì ññûëêà íà áóêëåò ê êóðñó Áåðäæà - âèäèìî èìååò îòíîøåíèå ê î÷åíü ñòàðîé âåðñèè óïðàæíåíèé Áåðäæà - òàì íà ïåðâîé æå ñòðàíèöå â ïåðâîì æå àáçàöå ñêàçàíî - ÷òî ýòà êíèæêà ïðèëàãàåòñÿ è äîëæíà áûòü èñïîëüçîâàíà ñîâìåñòíî ñ The Perfect Pitch SuperCourse TAPES!!! (tapes = ìàãíèòîôîííûå ëåòíû/êàññåòû) òî åñòü îíà (êíèæêà) âèäèìî øëà äàâíî, êîãäà åùå â õîäó áûëè òîëüêî - êàññåòíûå ìàãíèòîôîíû. Ñåé÷àñ - ê êóðñó ïðèëàãàåòñÿ áóêëåò, îí î÷åíü ìàëåíüêîãî ôîðìàòà, ìàëîå êîëè÷åñòâî ñòðàíèö - ÒÀÌ ÍÅÒ ÍÈÊÀÊÈÕ ÓÏÐÀÆÅÍÈÉ - ÏÐÎÑÒÎ ÍÈ ÎÄÍÎÃÎ! Óïðàæåíèÿ - âñå â àóäèî-êóðñå - â êîíöå êàæäîé àóäèî-ëåêöèè. Îíè êàðäèíàëüíî îòëè÷àþòñÿ îò òåõ, ÷òî ïðèâåäåíû â ôàéëå Ñåðãåÿ. Êàêîé ñìûñë ðàçáèðàòüñÿ â âåðñèè êóðñà ìîæåò áûòü 15-ëåòíåé äàâíîñòè? ß äóìàþ ó Âàñ, òàêæå êàê è ó Áåðäæà - ïðîöåññ ñòàíîâëåíèÿ-ôîðìèðîâàíèÿ ìåòîäèêè - äåëî äåñÿòèëåòèé è Âàøà ìåòîäèêà, ñêàæåì 15 ëåò íàçàä âûãëÿäåëà ñîâñåì èíà÷å. Ñåðãåé: >È ÷òî èíòåðåñíî, ê òîìó áóêëåòó ïðèëàãàëèñü åùå 8 CD + ïëþñ ÷òî-òî äëÿ äåòåé, ñ áåñêîíå÷íîé áîëòîâíåé ÿêîáû Áåðäæà. Íó ýòî óæå îòêðîâåííûé ãîí, äðóæèùå. Ïîçäðàâëÿþ Âàñ, ãðàæäàíèí, î÷åðåäíîé ðàç ñîâðàìøè - ýòà êíèæêà - ê ìàãíèòîôîííûì ëåíòàì - (ñì. ïåðâóþ ñòðàíèöó, ïåðâûé àáçàö ôàéëà - êëþ÷åâîå ñëîâî -tapes). Êàêèå òàêèå 8 CD? Îïÿòü õîòåë ïîêàçàòüñÿ óìíûì è ñâåäóùèì? Çà÷åì? Ùàñ áóäåøü ïðèäóìûâàòü, ÷òî êòî-òî êîãäà-òî ïåðåãîíÿë âèäèìî âñå ñ êàññåò íà ÑÄ. Ïðè÷åì èìåííî íà 8ÑD? À òû çíàåøü ñêîëüêî áûëî êàññåò ðàíüøå? Êàê îíè óìåñòèëèñü íà 8 ÑD? È ïî÷åìó íà 8? À ïî÷åìó íå íà 3? ![]() |
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Òåìà: Re: Àáñîëþòíûé ñëóõ(÷àñòü ÷åòâåðòàÿ).
Âðåìÿ: 02.08.2007 10:27 |
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LUCKY Íó, âîò è îáâèíèë ìåíÿ â íåñàìîñòîÿòåëüíîñòè. Åñëè áû ýòî áûëî òàê, òî ÿ íå êðèòèêîâàë áû òàê óñåðäíî íåêîòîðûõ îïïîíåíòîâ Áåðåæàíñêîãî. Ó ìåíÿ ñåé÷àñ îñîáûõ èäåé íåò - ÿ ïðîñòî õî÷ó äîáèòü äî êîíöà ìåòîäèêó Áåðåæàíñêîãî. ÀÑ âñå-òàêè äëÿ ìåíÿ èìååò èíòåðåñ â îñíîâíîì ñ òî÷êè çðåíèÿ ïîëåçíîãî ñâîéñòâà, êîòîðîå ìîæåò ïîìî÷ü â ïðàêòè÷åñêèõ äåëàõ. Êîíå÷íî, èíòåðåñíî ïîðàññóæäàòü îá îñîáåííîñòÿõ è òðóäíîñòÿõ, à òàêæå î ïóòÿõ èõ ïðåîäîëåíèÿ. Âûñòðàèâàòü æå ñâîþ òåîðèþ òðóäíî, ò.ê. ëåãêî âïàñòü â ìîðàçì. Äëÿ ñåðüåçíîé òåîðèè íóæíû âðåìÿ, äåíüãè, ýêñïåðèìåíòàëüíûé ìàòåðèàë è ò.ä. ß óæå ðàíåå ïèñàë, ÷òî âñåì íà ôîðóìå íóæíî îòäàâàòü ñåáå îò÷åò (çà èñêëþ÷åíèåì Á, êîíå÷íî), ÷òî îíè íå ïðîôåññèîíàëû â îáëàñòè ìóçûêàëüíîé ïñèõîëîãèè è èõ òî÷êà çðåíèÿ ÿâëÿåòñÿ ëèøü îáûâàòåëüñêîé òî÷êîé çðåíèÿ, êîòîðàÿ ìîæåò áûòü áîëåå èëè ìåíåå çäðàâîé. |
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Òåìà: Re: Àáñîëþòíûé ñëóõ(÷àñòü ÷åòâåðòàÿ).
Âðåìÿ: 02.08.2007 10:32 |
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LUCKY >ñàì îöåíè - ãëîáàëüíî, ñêîëüêî çäåñü çà ïîñëåäíèé ãîä íîâûõ ìûñëåé? >Ïàëüöåâ îäíîé ðóêè áóäåò ìíîãî. Äåëî âåäü íå â êîëè÷åñòâå, à â êà÷åñòâå, ò.å. íå â íîâèçíå, à â öåííîñòè ìûñëè è åå îáîñíîâàííîñòè. À òàê ìîæíî âñÿêîé åðóíäû ïîíàïèñàòü ñ ïîòîëêà. Áóäåò ìíîãî íîâîé åðóíäû. |
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Òåìà: Re: Àáñîëþòíûé ñëóõ(÷àñòü ÷åòâåðòàÿ).
Âðåìÿ: 02.08.2007 13:51 |
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Îõ, ðàçîøåëñÿ Ëàêè íå íà øóòêó ![]() > Ñåé÷àñ - ê êóðñó ïðèëàãàåòñÿ áóêëåò, îí î÷åíü ìàëåíüêîãî ôîðìàòà, ìàëîå êîëè÷åñòâî ñòðàíèö - ÒÀÌ ÍÅÒ ÍÈÊÀÊÈÕ ÓÏÐÀÆÅÍÈÉ - ÏÐÎÑÒÎ ÍÈ ÎÄÍÎÃÎ! Ó Âàñ óñòàðåâøàÿ âåðñèÿ ("ñòàðüå íåñóñâåòíîå"), à çíà÷èò óæå ïîòåðÿâøàÿ ñèëó, êàê è òýéï-âåðñèÿ ![]() Öèòèðóþ: "Own It All Now: The Perfect Pitch ® Ear Training SuperCourse You get our newest Audio CDs with 80-page Handbook, plus 2 FREE BONUS CDs. =================== > ÏÎÒÎÌ ÍÀÏÈØÈ ÒÓÒ ÎÏÐÎÂÅÐÆÅÍÈÅ ñâîåé òðàäèöèîííîé æåë÷íîé òóôòå, ïîæàëóéñòà. Ïèøó ![]() Áóêëåò, íà êîòîðûé ÿ äàë ññûëêó èç äðóãîãî èñòî÷íèêà (à íå âûëîæèë) ñîäåðæèò îêîëî 50 - âèäèìî äåéñòâèòåëüíî äðóãîé. Íî óòâåðæäàòü, ÷òî âñå ÷òî òàì áûëî ðàíüøå - íå èìååò íè÷åãî îáùåãî ñ òåì, ÷òî ñåé÷àñ - ãëóïî. Äàâàéòå òîãäà ïðèçíàåì, ÷òî "ñòàðûé áåðäæ íà êàññåòàõ" - ýòî ïðîôàíàöèÿ. Òîãäà ïî÷åìó ìû äîëæíû äîâåðÿòü "ñîâðåìåííîìó áåðäæó"? Ïî ëîãèêå Ëàêè ïîëó÷àåòñÿ, ÷òî ðàíüøå Áåðäæ ãíàë òóôòó, à âîò òåïåðü åãî ïîñåòèëî îçàðåíèå. Íà ýòèõ âîñüìè äèñêàõ ÷åãî òîëüêî íåò... Åäèíñòâåííîå ÷åãî òàì íåò, íà ìîé âçãëÿä, ÷åòêîé ñèñòåìû è ïîíèìàíèÿ, êàê ðàçâèòü ÀÑ. ×åì ìåíüøè ïîíèìàíèÿ, òåì áîëüøå áîëòîâíè è, ÿêîáû, óïðàæíåíèé. Íàñ÷åò "æåë÷íîé òóôòû". Êîãäà Ëàêè ñìååòñÿ íàä äðóãèìè - ýòî ìèëûé ñòåá, êîãäà ñìåþòñÿ íàä Ëàêè - ýòî æåë÷ü. Îáèäèëñÿ áåäíûé ìàëü÷èê. ß âñå ïîäòâåðæäàþ àðãóìåíòàìè è äîêàçàòåëüñòâàìè, à òû ïðîñòî áîëòóí÷èê. > P.P.S. Âñå, îêîí÷àòåëüíî çàâÿçûâàþ ñâîè ïîÿâëåíèÿ òóò. Ãû, âîò óæ äåéñòâèòåëüíî Ëàêè ïðåäñêàçóåì. Óæ ñêîëüêî ðàç, ÷óòü ÷òî "óõîæó!". Íå ïëà÷ü, ìàëåíüêèé. Óìîëÿåì îñòàíüñÿ, êðåàòèâíûé òû íàø, êàê æå ìû áåç òåáÿ? ![]() > Íó ýòî óæå îòêðîâåííûé ãîí, äðóæèùå. Îõ, ó òåáÿ ïðåêðàñíî âûõîäèò ðîëü îáâèíèòåëÿ. Çà÷åì ìíå ãíàòü? Ìíå ýòî íè ê ÷åìó. |
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èíîé ó÷àñòíèê ôîðóìà îöåíèâàåò ñâîé ðåçóëüòàò"(ñ) |
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Òåìà: Re: Àáñîëþòíûé ñëóõ(÷àñòü ÷åòâåðòàÿ).
Âðåìÿ: 02.08.2007 14:02 |
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Ìîÿ çíàêîìàÿ ó÷èòåëüíèöà ïî ñîëüôåäæèî ñ÷èòàåò ÷òî åñòü äâà âèäà ðàñïîçíàíèÿ çâóêîâ. 1- Ñ èñïîëüçîâàíèåì îùóùåíèé ñâÿçîê. 2- Áåç. Èìåííî 2é è åñòü ïîäëèííûé ÀÑ. Ïîêà ìû òðåíèðóåì ëîâèòü îùóùåíèÿ, ê òàêîìó îïðåäåëåíèþ ÀÑ ìû íå ìîæåì îòíîñèòüñÿ. |
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Òåìà: Re: Àáñîëþòíûé ñëóõ(÷àñòü ÷åòâåðòàÿ).
Âðåìÿ: 02.08.2007 14:02 |
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"îñòàíåòñÿ âîïðîñ î òîì, íàñêîëüêî àäåêâàòíî òîò èëè
èíîé ó÷àñòíèê ôîðóìà îöåíèâàåò ñâîé ðåçóëüòàò"(ñ) |
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Òåìà: Re: Àáñîëþòíûé ñëóõ(÷àñòü ÷åòâåðòàÿ).
Âðåìÿ: 02.08.2007 14:11 |
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> Ïîêà ìû òðåíèðóåì ëîâèòü îùóùåíèÿ, ê òàêîìó îïðåäåëåíèþ ÀÑ ìû íå ìîæåì îòíîñèòüñÿ. Ïîêà ìû òðåíèðóåì ëîâèòü îùóùåíèÿ, ìû íè ê êàêîìó îïðåäåëåíèþ íå îòíîñèìñÿ. Íî â ìåòîäèêå Áåðåæàíñêîãî âûðàáàòûâàåòñÿ 2-é âèä. Ïåíèå ÿâëÿåòñÿ ëèøü ïðîìåæóòî÷íûì âñïîìîãàòåëüíûì ñðåäñòâîì. Çäåñü óæå áûëà àíàëîãèÿ ñ ÷òåíèåì. Ñíà÷àëà ÷åëîâåê ó÷èòñÿ ÷èòàòü âñëóõ, à ïîòîì, êîãäà íàâûê èíòåðèîðèçèðóåòñÿ, â ïðîãîâàðèâàíèè óæå íåò íåîáõîäèìîñòè, îíî äàæå ìåøàåò. > Ìîÿ çíàêîìàÿ ó÷èòåëüíèöà ïî ñîëüôåäæèî ñ÷èòàåò ÷òî åñòü äâà âèäà ðàñïîçíàíèÿ çâóêîâ. Ñòðàííî, à ïðî òåìáðîâîé ÀÑ (òîæå ïñåâäî ÀÑ) îí íå ñëûøàëà? |
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"îñòàíåòñÿ âîïðîñ î òîì, íàñêîëüêî àäåêâàòíî òîò èëè
èíîé ó÷àñòíèê ôîðóìà îöåíèâàåò ñâîé ðåçóëüòàò"(ñ) |
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Òåìà: Re: Àáñîëþòíûé ñëóõ(÷àñòü ÷åòâåðòàÿ).
Âðåìÿ: 02.08.2007 16:59 |
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Íàñ÷åò ýâîëþöèè êóðñà Áåðäæà. http://www.geocities.com/zip98125/ (êàæåòñÿ, òàì åùå êîå-÷òî èíòåðåñíîå ìîæíî íàéòè) ============================ Methods T he David Burge method This should be your starting point, Burge's method seems to be the standard, to the extent that there is a standard. It is by far the most discussed method. It is therefore very controversial. It also seems to be the most successful. My understanding of the history is very sketchy at best: it all started in the early 80's with Burge's original short book, Perfect Pitch: Color-Hearing for Expanded Musical Awareness (ISBN: 0942542975 Amazon.com listing). This book is long out of print. The publication date listed on Amazon is Feb 1983. It can be found from time to time on eBay or through Amazon's network of used book dealers. It tends to be pretty pricey. Next, if my surmises are correct, the same book was published along with a set of two cassette tapes. Later, Burge created a full-blown tape course with six tapes. Amazon lists two other books by Burge, The Official Transcript of the Perfect Pitch Workshop (ISBN: 0942542983 Amazon.com listing) and The Official Transcript of the Perfect Pitch Master Class (ISBN: 0942542991 Amazon.com listing). I have never seen either book and for all I know they may be different printings of that same book. Amazon lists both as published Feb 1984, but they do have different ISBN numbers. I don't know. One or both may have been included in the large tape course. Finally, sometime in the last few years, Burge has come out with a second and, he claims, final version of his course, "Burge 2.0" as some call it. It is officially called The Perfect Pitch Ear Training SuperCourse, Version 2.0. It has a small booklet and 8 cassettes or compact discs. This last is the only absolute pitch training product currently sold by Burge's outfit at the link above. There is a very short review of Burge 2.0 on a site listing perfect pitch posessors ("PPPs"). ======================= ß äóìàþ, ÷òî â Îñëå ëåæàò mp3 c ýòèõ 8 CD è ê íèì êòî-òî äîáàâèë ñòàðûé áóêëåò îò òýéï-âåðñèè. Ìíå êàæåòñÿ, ñóòü êóðñà Áåðäæà îò âåðñèè ê âåðñèè íå ìåíÿåòñÿ, ñîâåðøåíñòâóåòñÿ ìàðêåòèíã. Âïðî÷åì áûëî áû èíòåðåñíî ïîãîâîðèòü ñ ÷åëîâåêîì, êîòîðûé ïðèîáðåë ÀÑ áëàãîäàðÿ êóðñó Áåðäæà. ß áûë áû î÷åíü ðàä, åñëè áû óçíàë, ÷òî åãî "ìåòîäèêà" ðåàëüíî ðàáîòàåò. ß íå ïîíèìàþ, ïî÷åìó Ëàêè òàê íåðâíè÷àåò è ïîñòîÿííî ïûòàåòñÿ ïåðåâåñòè ðàçãîâîð ñ îáñóæäàåìîé òåìû íà ëè÷íîñòü îïïîíåíòà è äàæå ïåðåõîä íà ïðÿìûå îñêîðáëåíèÿ. Ýòî íè÷åì íå îïðàâäàííîå ãðóáîå íàðóøåíèå ïðàâèë, êóëüòóðû âåäåíèÿ äèñêóññèè. |
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èíîé ó÷àñòíèê ôîðóìà îöåíèâàåò ñâîé ðåçóëüòàò"(ñ) |
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Òåìà: Re: Àáñîëþòíûé ñëóõ(÷àñòü ÷åòâåðòàÿ).
Âðåìÿ: 02.08.2007 20:30 |
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Ñåðãåé: ðàññëàáüñÿ, ÿ áîëüøå íå áóäó êîïàòüñÿ â òâîåì âðàíüå: òî êóðñ Áåðäæà ó òåáÿ åñòü è òû çàíèìàëñÿ ïî íåìó è âñå î åãî ìåòîäèêå çíàåøü, òî îêàçûâàåòñÿ ýòè äèñêè â Îñëå ëåæàò - âðåøü, âðåøü è åùå ðàç âðåøü. Ëè÷íî ó ìåíÿ Áåðäæ åñòü - ïîëíûé, îôèöèàëüíûé, ïîñëåäíèé, ñî âñåìè áîíóñàìè. Ìíå áîÿòüñÿ èëè íåðâíè÷àòü íåçà÷åì Ýòî ÿ â ëþáîé ìîìåíò ëþáîìó ìîãó ïîäòâåðäèòü â ðåàëå. ß â Ìîñêâå. ß çíàþ î ÷åì ãîâîðþ - à òû ïîñòîÿííî âðåøü è ïûòàåøüñÿ âûãëÿäåòü ñâåäóùèì è óìíûì ÷åëîâåêîì. È, óæ ïðîñòèòå çà âûðàæåíèå, òû, Ñåðãåé, ïðîñòî çàñè**åøü ýòîò ôîðóì â î÷åðåäíîé ðàç. Òåáå êàê ìèíèìóì óêàçàëè íà îøèáêó (tapes) - à òû íà÷àë ãíàòü - ÷òî ìîë, ËæåÁåðäæ è òàê äàëåå, Åâãåíèÿ âòÿíóë â ýòó î÷åâèäíóþ òóïîñòü è ïîäòàñîâêó.....òû - äåñòðóêòîð äàííîãî ôîðóìà, òû âíîñèøü äåñòðóêòèâ ïîñòîÿííî. Ïîñëå âñåãî, ÷òî òû òóò íàïèñàë ñåáå â îïðàâäàíèå - òâîå ìíåíèå î êóðñå Áåðäæà - ïðîñòî íîëü áåç ïàëî÷êè - òû ñàì-òî õîòü ýòî ïîíèìàåøü? "ß äóìàþ Áåðäæ ÷òî äâàäöàòü ñåìü ëåò íàçàä ÷òî ñåé÷àñ - îäèíàêîâ" - ýòî òâîÿ èòîãîâàÿ ìûñëü-îïðàâäàíèå. Òû èëè ñóìàñøåäøèé èëè ïðîñòî íå÷åñòíûé ÷åëîâåê. Íó êàê çà 20 ñ ëèøíèì ëåò ó ÷åëîâåêà íåò íèêàêèõ èçìåíåíèé â ìåòîäèêå?!!! Òû íîðìàëüíûé èëè íåò? Ó âñåõ ìåíÿåòñÿ - ó Áåðäæà êîíå÷íî æå íåò?!!! ÎÁÎÑÍÓÉ!!! ![]() Ãäå òâîÿ õâàëåíàÿ àðãóìåíòèðîâàííîñòü?!!! Ãäå îíà!!! Ãäå!!! ß òåáÿ ñïðàøèâàþ íå ãäå íàõîäèòñÿ ïèðàòñêèé Áåðäæ è êàêèå êàðòèíêè íà åãî ñàéòå ñåé÷àñ - à àðãóìåíòàöèþ ÏÎ×ÅÌÓ ÁÅÐÄÆ ÂÅÇÄÅ ÎÄÈÍÀÊÎÂ!!! Íà ÷åì îñíîâàíà ýòà ìåòîäèêà áûëà òîãäà, áîëüøå 20 ëåò íàçàä? Êàêàÿ áûëà ïîñëåäîâàòåëüíîñòü óïðàæíåíèé? Êàêèå àêöåíòû äåëàëèñü? Íà ÷åì îíà îñíîâàíà ñåé÷àñ? Êàêèå íþàíñû è ò.ï.? Îòâåòèøü àðãóìåíòèðîâàííî - äà, ÿ ïðèçíàþ, ÷òî òû áûë ïðàâ. À ïîêà òû, Ñåðãåé, îñòàåøüñÿ ïóñòîìåëåé è âðóíîì. Ñàì ïðèâîäèøü öèòàòó â êîòîðîé ÷åðíûì ïî-àíãëèéñêè íàïèñàíî - ñíà÷àëî áûëî 2 êàññåòû ïîòîì âäðóã ![]() ![]() P.S.Íå ñòûäíî? Âçðîñëûé ÷åëîâåê âðîäå, êíèæêó, õîòü êîðÿâåíüêóþ, íî íàêðîïàë âåäü, ñ ëîãèêîé çíàêîì - ÷òî æ òû ñåáÿ òàê ïîçîðèøü-òî? ß ñòàâëþ òåáå - äâà áàëëà è ïîæèçíåííûé íåçà÷åò, ñ òîáîé ÿ áîëüøå îáùàòüñÿ íå íàìåðåí. ÒÛ ÑÂÎÁÎÄÅÍ. ÄÈÑÊÂÀËÈÔÈÖÈÐÎÂÀÍ. ÓÂÎËÅÍ. ÎÒ×ÈÑËÅÍ ![]() ![]() Õîòÿ êîíå÷íî, æàëêî, ïàðåíü-òî òû õîðîøèé, êîíå÷íî. Ìîæåøü âåäü, êîãäà çàõî÷åøü. Ëàäíî ïðîñòè è çà êíèæêó òâîþ è çà âñå ïðî÷åå. À Áåðäæà íå òðîãàé - íå çíàåøü äîñêîíàëüíî - íå ëåçü, ïðîøó òåáÿ ![]() Ïðåäñòàâü âîò òàê áû î òâîåé êíèãå ñóäèëè ïî îáëîæêå? Ðàä áû áûë? Ñîìíåâàþñü ![]() À Áåðäæ ïî-òâîåìó ÷åì õóæå? - ÿ òåáå îòâå÷ó - îí ëó÷øå - îí ñìîã ñâîé êóðñ èñïðàâèòü - ïðè÷åì íå îäèí ðàç. È äî ñèõ ïîð èñïðàâëÿåò è áóäåò èñïðàâëÿòü âñþ æèçíü. Îí - íàñòîÿùèé ïåäàãîã, èññëåäîâàòåëü. À òû êòî? Ëàäíî, ðàññëàáüñÿ, îïÿòü íàáû÷èëñÿ ![]() ß òåáÿ ïðîùàþ - äàâàé çà÷åòêó, ñòàâëþ òåáå òîëüêî òðè áàëëà,íî ñ ìèíóñîì - òîëüêî çà âîëþ ê ïîáåäå ![]() Çíàíèé ó Âàñ, óâàæàåìûé Ñåðãåé Áàòüêîâè÷, ïî òåáå êóðñà Áåðäæà - íåäîñòàòî÷íî, îäíè ñëþíè. Èäèòå ó÷èòå. |
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Òåìà: Re: Àáñîëþòíûé ñëóõ(÷àñòü ÷åòâåðòàÿ).
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Âîò çäåñü, êîìó ëþáîïûòíî, ìîæíî ïîñìîòðåòü 80-ñòðàíè÷íûé áóêëåò îò ïîñëåäíåé âåðñèè 2.0 "ñóïåðêóðñà" Áåðäæà. Íî ìîæíî è íå òðàòèòü âðåìÿ è òðàôèê. http://up.spbland.ru/files/070802301 |
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"îñòàíåòñÿ âîïðîñ î òîì, íàñêîëüêî àäåêâàòíî òîò èëè
èíîé ó÷àñòíèê ôîðóìà îöåíèâàåò ñâîé ðåçóëüòàò"(ñ) |
Àâòîð |
Òåìà: Re: Àáñîëþòíûé ñëóõ(÷àñòü ÷åòâåðòàÿ).
Âðåìÿ: 02.08.2007 21:23 |
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> òî êóðñ Áåðäæà ó òåáÿ åñòü è òû çàíèìàëñÿ ïî íåìó è âñå î åãî ìåòîäèêå çíàåøü, òî îêàçûâàåòñÿ ýòè äèñêè â Îñëå ëåæàò - âðåøü, âðåøü è åùå ðàç âðåøü. Íå ïîíèìàþ, ïî÷åìó ýòî êàæåòñÿ òåáå òàêèì íåïðàâäîïîäîáíûì. Ãëóïî ïðè÷èòàòü "âðåøüâðåøüâðåøü". Íå âèæó ïðîòèâîðå÷èÿ - îíè è â îñëå ëåæàò è ó ìåíÿ íà âèíòå. ß, ïðàâäà, íèêîãäà íå óòâåðæäàë, ÷òî çàíèìàëñÿ ïî íèì - ïðîñòî îçíàêîìèëñÿ è ðåøèë äëÿ ñåáÿ, ÷òî ýòî òóôòà. Òâîè ðåçóëüòàòû òîëüêî ïîäòâåðæäàþò ýòî. ß íèãäå íå ïèñàë, ÷òî ÿ "âñå î åãî ìåòîäèêå çíàþ" - êàê ìîæíî çíàòü âñå î òîì, ÷åãî íåò â ïðèðîäå. ß ïîñëóøàë äèñêè è ïîíÿë, ÷òî ñèñòåìû, íà ìîé âçãëÿä, òàì íåò, âîò è âñå. Ëàêè, ó òåáÿ ÷òî-òî ñ ãîëîâîé, ðàññëàáüñÿ, íå êðè÷è è íå ñó÷è íîæêàìè. ß Áåðäæà íå òðîãàþ, òîëüêî äàë ññûëêó íà áóêëåò, êîòîðàÿ ìíå ïîïàëàñü â èíåòå - äëÿ çàèíåòåðåñîâàííûõ. Íå çíàþ, ïî÷åìó òåáÿ ýòî òàê ðàññòðîèëî - òû äàæå ñòàë íàìåêàòü, ÷òî ýòî íå Áåðäæà áóêëåò, à ýòî óæå ïàðàíîéÿ. Íó âîò òåáå íîâàÿ âåðñèÿ, ÷òî-íèáóäü èçìåíèëîñü? > òû - äåñòðóêòîð äàííîãî ôîðóìà, òû âíîñèøü äåñòðóêòèâ ïîñòîÿííî. Äî òâîåãî ïîÿâëåíèÿ çäåñü áûëî ñïîêîéíî è ìèðíî. Îäíàêî ÿ âîçäåðæèâàþñü îò ðàçäà÷è òàêèõ êàòåãîðè÷íûõ çàÿâëåíèé. Ìû çäåñü âñå ðàâíû, ñâîå ìíåíèå èìååò ïðàâî âûñêàçàòü êàæäûé, à çàòûêàíèå ðòà, íàâåøèâàíèå ÿðëûêîâ, õàìñòâî - âîò ýòî è åñòü ñîâîê. > Âçðîñëûé ÷åëîâåê âðîäå, êíèæêó, õîòü êîðÿâåíüêóþ, íî íàêðîïàë âåäü Òû äóìàåøü, ÷òî ñìîæåøü ìåíÿ ýòèì çàäåòü? Ëîë. Ó ìåíÿ åñòü ðåöåíçèè ãîðàçäî áîëåå óâàæàåìûõ ëþäåé. Òû òîëüêî äåìîíñòðèðóåøü ñâîþ íåïîðÿäî÷íîñòü è äðåìó÷åñòü, íî âðÿä ëè ñìîæåøü ýòî ïîíÿòü... Êîãäà òû ÷åãî-íèáóäü ñîçäàøü, òîãäà ïîëó÷èøü ïðàâî ñóäèòü, à ïîêà òû ïðîñòî ðàñïîÿñûâøèéñÿ âèçãëèâûé íîëü. > ß ñòàâëþ òåáå - äâà áàëëà è ïîæèçíåííûé íåçà÷åò, Êåì òû ñåáÿ âîçîìíèë, Âñåâûøíèì? > ñ òîáîé ÿ áîëüøå îáùàòüñÿ íå íàìåðåí. Äà, óæ ïîæàëóéñòà, èçáàâü ìåíÿ îò ñâîåãî îáùåñòâà. ß è ñàì ïîæàëåë, ÷òî ñíÿë èãíîð ñ òåáÿ. Îòïðàâëÿéñÿ òóäà îáðàòíî, Ëàêè, òû íå èíòåðåñåí. |
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èíîé ó÷àñòíèê ôîðóìà îöåíèâàåò ñâîé ðåçóëüòàò"(ñ) |
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Òåìà: Re: Àáñîëþòíûé ñëóõ(÷àñòü ÷åòâåðòàÿ).
Âðåìÿ: 02.08.2007 22:11 |
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óòî÷íÿþ àäðåñ äëÿ ñêà÷êè áóêëåòà Áåðäæà 2.0 http://up.spbland.ru/files/070802301/ |
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"îñòàíåòñÿ âîïðîñ î òîì, íàñêîëüêî àäåêâàòíî òîò èëè
èíîé ó÷àñòíèê ôîðóìà îöåíèâàåò ñâîé ðåçóëüòàò"(ñ) |
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Òåìà: Re: Àáñîëþòíûé ñëóõ(÷àñòü ÷åòâåðòàÿ).
Âðåìÿ: 02.08.2007 22:12 |
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Ìîñêâà Ãèòàðà, ðîÿëü. ![]() ![]() ![]() |
Ñåðãåé: Äàæå òàê? Ó Áåðäæà âîîáùå íèêàêîé ìåòîäèêè íåò?! Òû ïðîñëóøàë âñå 8 äèñêîâ? À ïîïðîáîâàë íà ñåáå õîòü ÷òî-íèáóäü?! Öåëûõ 8 ÑÄ - íàïîëíåííûõ àíåêäîòàìè ÷òî ëè?! È îí äî ñèõ ïîð íà ñâîáîäå?  ÑØÀ òàêîå âîçìîæíî?! 20 ñ ëèøíåì ëåò äåéñòâóåò?! è ïîñëå ýòîãî òû ïèøåøü: >ÿ âîçäåðæèâàþñü îò ðàçäà÷è òàêèõ êàòåãîðè÷íûõ çàÿâëåíèé Êàê êòî-íèáóäü êàòèò áî÷êó íà Áåðåæàíñêîãî òàê òóò âñå ãîðîé - âñå êðè÷àò: Äà Âû ïîïðîáóéòå ñíà÷àëà! Êîãäà ÿ òîò æå ïðèíöèï ïðèìåíÿþ ê Áåðäæó è ãîâîðþ - ïîïðîáóéòå ïîçàíèìàéòåñü ïî Áåðäæó ñíà÷àëà - ïîòîì ïîãîâîðèì - íåò, ïîëíûé øòèëü - Áåðäæ - òóôòà, ïî÷åìó - íå ñêàæó, ðàçáèðàòüñÿ íå ñîáèðàþñü. Ãäå ñïðàâåäëèâîñòü?! Ñåðãåé, òû â äàííîì ñëó÷àå ñ Ðîìàíîì, ê ïðèìåðó, ïîõîæè êàê áëèçíåöû-áðàòüÿ - òîò ãîâîðèò: Áåðåæàíñêèé - ìîøåííèê, íî ïðîâåðÿòü ÿ íå áóäó. Òû ãîâîðèøü: Áåðäæ - ìîøåííèê, ïðîâåðÿòü íå áóäó. |
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Òåìà: Re: Àáñîëþòíûé ñëóõ(÷àñòü ÷åòâåðòàÿ).
Âðåìÿ: 02.08.2007 22:14 |
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Òåìà: Re: Àáñîëþòíûé ñëóõ(÷àñòü ÷åòâåðòàÿ).
Âðåìÿ: 02.08.2007 22:35 |
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ëàäíî, íå áóäó îòâëåêàòü. óõîæó ![]() ![]() ñêàæåì ïðèìåðíî íà ïîëãîäà. Òàê, çàïëàíèðóþ çàãëÿíóòü ñþäà íà 23 ôåâðàëÿ 2008 ãîäà. Ìîãó ïîñïîðèòü - ñëåäóþùàÿ æåðòâà Ñåðãåÿ - Ï.Í.Áåðåæàíñêèé. Ê ýòîìó ñðîêó (ìîæåò áûòü ê 01 èþëÿ 2008 ã.) - Ñåðãåé áóäåò óòâåðæäàòü, ÷òî åãî êóðñ - òóôòà. Àäüîñ. |
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Òåìà: Re: Àáñîëþòíûé ñëóõ(÷àñòü ÷åòâåðòàÿ).
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Ñåðãåé, Èâàí Äà... Ðàçîøëèñü. >Åâãåíèÿ âòÿíóë â ýòó î÷åâèäíóþ òóïîñòü è ïîäòàñîâêó. Íó, íèêóäà ìåíÿ Ñåðãåé íå âòÿãèâàë. Îí ëèøü âûñêàçàë ìíåíèå î ìåòîäèêå Áåðäæà è, êñòàòè, ïîïûòàëñÿ âûëîæèòü ìåòîäèêó.  îòëè÷èå îò Ðîìàíà îí íå áûë ñòîëü êàòåãîðè÷íûì, òàê ÷òî, Âàíÿ, òû íå ïðàâ äàííîì ñëó÷àå. À âîîáùå ìåíÿ òðóäíî âî ÷òî-òî âòÿíóòü. Ïàâåë Íèêîëàåâè÷ âåäü òîæå óæå âûñêàçàëñÿ è âðîäå äàæå ñîáðàëñÿ â îòïóñê áîëåå ïîäðîáíî èçó÷èòü äàííûé âîïðîñ. Äóìàþ, ÷òî îí âûñêàæåò åùå ñâîå ìíåíèå î äàííîé ìåòîäèêå. Åñëè ó ìåíÿ áóäåò âðåìÿ, òî ÿ òîæå ìîæåò ïîïûòàþñü èçó÷èòü äàííûé âîïðîñ. Ñêîðåå âñåãî ïîñëå ìåòîäèêè Áåðåæàíñêîãî (ò.å. êîãäà ïðîéäó). Ïðàâäà ÿ ïîëàãàþ,÷òî ìåíÿ óæå òîãäà áóäóò èíòåðåñîâàòü íåñêîëüêî èíûå âîïðîñû. |
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Òåìà: Re: Àáñîëþòíûé ñëóõ(÷àñòü ÷åòâåðòàÿ).
Âðåìÿ: 04.08.2007 14:51 |
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Íàñ÷åò ñðàâíåíèÿ ìåòîäîâ Áåðäæà è Áåðåæàíñêîãî. Ñóòü ìåòîäà Áåðåæàíñêîãî ÿ ìîãó èçëîæèòü â íåñêîëüêèõ ïðåäëîæåíèÿõ. Ìåòîä ïðåäåëüíî ÿñåí äëÿ îáó÷àþùåãîñÿ, ÿñíû ìåõàíèçì, öåëè è ñïîñîáû èõ äîñòèæåíèÿ, åñòü îðèåíòèðû. Ýòîãî íåëüçÿ ñêàçàòü î "ìåòîäèêå" Áåðäæà. Êòî-íèáóäü ìîæåò êðàòêî îïèñàòü ñóòü åãî ìåòîäà? Òàì åñòü êàêèå-òî óïðàæíåíèÿ è, âåðîÿòíî, îíè â êàêîé-òî ìåðå ïîëåçíû äëÿ ñëóõà, íî ïî÷åìó è êàêèì îáðàçîì îíè äîëæíû ïðèâåñòè ê ÀÑ - íå ïîíÿòíî. Åãî êóðñ âûñòðîåí òàê, ÷òî äî êîíöà åãî ïðàêòè÷åñêè íåâîçìîæíî âûïîëíèòü, âåäü ôîðìèðîâàíèå ÀÑ - ýòî ïðîäîëæèòåëüíûé ïðîöåññ, à êîãäà, êðîìå áîëòîâíè, òû ïðàêòè÷åñêè íè÷åãî íå ïîëó÷àåøü, òî ðàíî èëè ïîçäíî áðîñèøü ýòî çàíÿòèå. Òàêèì îáðàçîì â ðåçóëüòàòå "âèíîâàò" îêàçûâàåòñÿ ñàì ó÷àùèéñÿ. Ó Áåðåæàíñêîãî âñå ñîâñåì èíà÷å. Ìû ìîæåì äàæå íå ÷èòàòü åãî êíèãó - äîñòàòî÷íî ïîäíèìàòüñÿ øàã çà øàãîì ïî ñòóïåíüêàì åãî ìåòîäèêè. Ïðè âûïîëíåíèè ñòðîãîé ñèñòåìû êîíêðåòíåéøèõ óïðàæíåíèé (òî åñòü êàæäîìó ïîíÿòíî ñïðàâèëñÿ îí ñ óïð èëè íåò è ÷òî íàäî äåëàòü, åñëè íå ñïðàâèëñÿ) Áåðåæàíñêèé îáåùàåò 100% äîñòèæåíèå öåëè. Òàêèì îáðàçîì, åñëè ÿ âûïîëíþ âñå óñëîâèÿ è óïðàæíåíèÿ ìåòîäèêè Áåðåæàíñêîãî â íåîáõîäèìîì îáúåìå (è ýòî ðåàëüíî!) è íå ïîëó÷ó ÀÑ, òî áóäó èìåòü ïðàâî ñêàçàòü, ÷òî ýòîò ìåòîä "òóôòà". Íî ÿ òàê íå ñêàæó, ïîòîìó ÷òî óæå ñåé÷àñ ïîëó÷àþ ðåàëüíóþ ïîëüçó îò çàíÿòèé, âèæó, êàê ìåòîä ðàçâèâàåò ìîé ñëóõ âîîáùå, à ÀÑ ñàì ïî ñåáå íå ÿâëÿåòñÿ äëÿ ìåíÿ "çàâåòíîé ìå÷òîé". |
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"îñòàíåòñÿ âîïðîñ î òîì, íàñêîëüêî àäåêâàòíî òîò èëè
èíîé ó÷àñòíèê ôîðóìà îöåíèâàåò ñâîé ðåçóëüòàò"(ñ) |
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Òåìà: Re: Àáñîëþòíûé ñëóõ(÷àñòü ÷åòâåðòàÿ).
Âðåìÿ: 04.08.2007 15:02 |
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Êñòàòè, çäåñü ìîæíî ïî÷èòàòü çàðóáåæíóþ äèñêóññèþ íà òåìó Áåðäæà. http://www.thegearpage.net/board/archive/index.php/t-46355.html Íî âîñíîâíîì ýòî âñå òå æå âàðèàíòû: PERSON A: "What about this Burge guy and his perfect pitch course? Has anyone actually succeeded with it?" PERSON B: "Well, I had this sister who had a teacher who had a penpal who's father had an imaginary friend..." PERSON C: "Yeah, I worked on it for a while. I really think it would have worked, but I just didn't have time and..." PERSON D: "Yeah? Well, that don't prove nuthin'. I say you have to be born with it. I just feeeeeeeeeel that I'm right." PERSON E: "Why would you want perfect pitch, anyway? I knew this guy once who had it and he couldn't stand it when [insert some normal musical event here]." But it is rare that someone just comes out and says, "Yes, me. I did it. I have absolute pitch now, but I didn't when I was 20," or whatever. ========================= ß ïðîöèòèðóþ áëèçêóþ ìíå òî÷êó çðåíèÿ, íî òîëüêî ïîòîìó, ÷òî òàì äàåòñÿ êàê àëüòåðíàòèâà ññûëêà íà ìåòîä, êîòîðûé êîððåëèðóåò ñ ìåòîäîì Áåðåæàíñêîãî: I'm sorry if this sounds strong, but I had a friend who bought this product. I checked it out, and in my opinion, it's garbage. While studying at Berklee I asked one of my teachers about David Burge and his method. His opinion was, it's garbage. For the past two years I've been using this method http://home.scarlet.be/~abenbass/art_singer.html I've been doing it an hour a day in the morning, 5 days a week, for about a year and a half. It's hard, but right now I'm at the point where I can hear and recognize 4 notes being played simultaneously. My goal is to eventually hear 12. This is the same method used by guys like Mike Stern, Jerry Bergonzi, Rick Berlin, Wayne Krantz, and Mike Brecker, and it's free. All the instructions are right there on that link above. It's not easy. It's tough and frustrating at times. I think David Burge makes it sound like it's an easy thing to learn, so people buy into it. It's like the same reason why there are so many diet method's out there. People keep looking for that magic formula. Just my $.02. ================== |
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"îñòàíåòñÿ âîïðîñ î òîì, íàñêîëüêî àäåêâàòíî òîò èëè
èíîé ó÷àñòíèê ôîðóìà îöåíèâàåò ñâîé ðåçóëüòàò"(ñ) |
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Òåìà: Re: Àáñîëþòíûé ñëóõ(÷àñòü ÷åòâåðòàÿ).
Âðåìÿ: 04.08.2007 15:23 |
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Ïîæàëóé ïîëåçíî ñêîïèðîâàòü ñþäà òó ññûëêó (http://home.scarlet.be/~abenbass/art_singer.html) ============= The 'Charlie Banacos' Exercise by Frank Singer (http://www.franksinger.com) After my graduation from Boston's Berklee College of Music, I had the good fortune to study jazz improvisation with pianist Charlie Banacos. Many fine jazz musicians have passed through his teaching studio doors, including Mike Stern, John Novello, Jerry Bergonzi, Bruce Gertz and Les Arbuckle. Charlie taught me my favorite ear training exercise, and I would like to share it with you here. Those with access to a piano follow the steps labeled [A], guitar [B], and single pitch instruments (horns, etc.) [C]. Those at the keyboard [A] will use the eraser side of a pencil to strike the keys with eyes closed. Others [B, C] will need to tape record and document a set number of examples (50-100), and repeat this for several days until you have many ready for use. (ïðèìå÷àíèå: à ìîæíî èñïîëüçîâàòü Äèìèíó ïðîãó èëè óïðàæíåíèÿ àóäèîêóðñà Á.) The exercise begins by sounding a cadence in C major. This should be repeated [A] or recorded [B, C] before each example. Play the chords C - F - G7 - C [A, B] or arpeggiate them [C] as in c-e-g, f-a-c, g-b-d-f, c-e-g. The purpose here is to fix the tonality of "C" firmly in your mind. All other pitches will then be heard relative to C. Once the tonality is established, sound a note. The note may be repeated in a slow, steady rhythm until an attempt is made to identify it. When striking a note with the eraser side of a pencil [A], try to do so in a way that will keep the pencil from slipping off of a black key. Make sure you aim towards the middle or back of the keyboard area to allow for the sounding of all 12 notes. For those recording [B, C], 5-10 soundings should be sufficient, since examples can be replayed if needed. If you can correctly identify the pitch, move on to another. If you find this easy (75-90% correct), move to 2, then 3, then 4 notes. Pianists [A] may use 2 pencils in each hand. After this, everybody [A, B, C] is either recording examples or working with a partner (highly recommended and fun). The real benefits of this exercise actually occur when pitches are incorrectly identified. By executing the following procedure, your ability to hear and name pitches in relation to tonal centers and intervals will steadily improve. First, re-sound the cadence until the tonality is fixed. Next sound the pitch(es) you named, and move back and forth between the cadence and the note(s) until you feel you have clarified the way the two interact. Then repeat this process with the pitch(es) originally sounded until the same clarity occurs. Ear training can be very subjective, so you may find impressions or relationships not apparently logical which help solidify the sound for you. Musicians have associated sound with many personalized characteristics, including color, emotion, memories, and suggestions of certain melodies or harmonies. These tend to be the impressions that stick with you, so be open to them. This exercise works by learning from our 'mistakes', which are always excellent teachers if we listen carefully. Just like in practicing your instrument, consistency is the key to advancement. Try to incorporate ear training into your practice routine 3 - 5 times a week, and don't wait for a 100% correct rate before moving to a higher level of difficulty. This progressive approach will keep your learning pace more steady. Especially now, use your ears, and happy drilling! I originally learned these concepts from Charlie Banacos, private instructor. ========================== |
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"îñòàíåòñÿ âîïðîñ î òîì, íàñêîëüêî àäåêâàòíî òîò èëè
èíîé ó÷àñòíèê ôîðóìà îöåíèâàåò ñâîé ðåçóëüòàò"(ñ) |
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Òåìà: Re: Àáñîëþòíûé ñëóõ(÷àñòü ÷åòâåðòàÿ).
Âðåìÿ: 05.08.2007 16:03 |
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http://kirushin-.chat.ru/prise.html (âûñòàâèòü êîäèðîâêó KOI8-U) > Ñåìü àóäèîêàññåò ñ óïðàæíåíèÿìè äëÿ ðàçâèòèÿ ìóçûêàëüíîãî ìûøëåíèÿ, àáñîëþòíîãî ñëóõà è ïàìÿòè. Êòî-íèáóäü çíàêîì ñ ñîäåðæàíèåì ýòèõ êàññåò èëè ñ ìåòîäèêîé Êèðþøèíà? |
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"îñòàíåòñÿ âîïðîñ î òîì, íàñêîëüêî àäåêâàòíî òîò èëè
èíîé ó÷àñòíèê ôîðóìà îöåíèâàåò ñâîé ðåçóëüòàò"(ñ) |
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Òåìà: Re: Àáñîëþòíûé ñëóõ(÷àñòü ÷åòâåðòàÿ).
Âðåìÿ: 06.08.2007 20:57 |
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Ñåðãåé! ß îòêñåðèë ó÷åáíèê Êèðþøèíà. Òàì îò ïðîñòîãî ê î÷åíü ñëîæíîìó. ß ïîêà íå âíèêàë. Íî êàññåò ê ñîæàëåíèþ ó ìåíÿ íåò. Ðóäè ïèñàë, ÷òî Êèðþøèí òðàãè÷åñêè ïîãèá. |
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Òåìà: Re: Àáñîëþòíûé ñëóõ(÷àñòü ÷åòâåðòàÿ).
Âðåìÿ: 06.08.2007 22:58 |
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Þðàø, òû, êàæåòñÿ, çàíèìàëñÿ íàáîðîì íîòíûõ ïðèìåðîâ â Ôèíàëå. Òû ñëó÷àéíî íå ñîáèðàåøüñÿ íàáèðàòü ïðèìåðû èç ó÷åáíèêà Êèðþøèíà? | |
"îñòàíåòñÿ âîïðîñ î òîì, íàñêîëüêî àäåêâàòíî òîò èëè
èíîé ó÷àñòíèê ôîðóìà îöåíèâàåò ñâîé ðåçóëüòàò"(ñ) |
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Òåìà: Re: Àáñîëþòíûé ñëóõ(÷àñòü ÷åòâåðòàÿ).
Âðåìÿ: 07.08.2007 21:52 |
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Ñåðãåé! Êîíå÷íî ñîáèðàþñü, è äàæå ïîäêëþ÷àþ ê íàáîðó ñâîèõ ó÷åíèêîâ. ß â êîíöå àâãóñòà ïëàíèðóþ ïðèåõàòü â Ìîñêâó. Ñîáèðàþñü âñòðåòèòüñÿ ñ èíòåðåñíûì ãèòàðèñòîì. Ìîãó ïðèâåçòè íàêîïëåííóþ èíôîðìàöèþ ïî ãèòàðå. Êîìó èíòåðåñíî ïåðåïèñàòü îêîëî 20 ÄÂÄ ïèøèòå íà bekar@telegraf.by . |
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Òåìà: Re: Àáñîëþòíûé ñëóõ(÷àñòü ÷åòâåðòàÿ).
Âðåìÿ: 16.08.2007 16:54 |
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Ê òåìå íàñ÷åò ïîëóøàðèé, êîòîðóþ ïîäíèìàë Ëàêè: http://la-chevrefeuill.livejournal.com/443945.html Ñîððè, åñëè áàÿí |
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"îñòàíåòñÿ âîïðîñ î òîì, íàñêîëüêî àäåêâàòíî òîò èëè
èíîé ó÷àñòíèê ôîðóìà îöåíèâàåò ñâîé ðåçóëüòàò"(ñ) |
Àâòîð |
Òåìà: Re: Àáñîëþòíûé ñëóõ(÷àñòü ÷åòâåðòàÿ).
Âðåìÿ: 16.08.2007 17:06 |
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Ìîñêâà ãèòàðà, áàñ ![]() ![]() ![]() |
Äà, èíòåðåñíàÿ êàðòèíêà ))) ñåãîäíÿ âåñü äåíü øëþò ![]() |
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"Áàõ è îðã`àí - ýòî íå îäíî è òî æå.." (c)
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Òåìà: Re: Àáñîëþòíûé ñëóõ(÷àñòü ÷åòâåðòàÿ).
Âðåìÿ: 01.09.2007 03:03 |
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Ê âîïðîñó î Áåðäæå: ÿ, êîãäà ñîçäàë ïåðâóþ òåìó ïðî àáñîëþòíûé ñëóõ (äà, äà, ýòî áûë ÿ), êàê ðàç âûñêàçûâàë ñâîå ìíåíèå î Áåðäæå. Ñåðãåé åãî ïîäòâåðäèë, ïóñòü ñëèøêîì êàòåãîðè÷íî. Íîâîãî Áåðäæà ñêà÷àë, íî ïîêà íå ñëóøàë. ×òî æå êàñàåòñÿ ñòàðîãî Áåðäæà – äåéñòâèòåëüíî ñòðàøíûé ïîëóôàáðèêàò, ïðèíåñøèé ìíîãî ñòðàäàíèé ëþäÿì ïî ïðè÷èíå ïîëíîãî îòñóòñòâèÿ ðåàëüíûõ êëþ÷åé è çàöåïîê. Ìîãó ñåáå ïðåäñòàâèòü, ñêîëüêî ëþäåé íà Çåìëå ïîìó÷èëèñü íàä åãî óïðàæíåíèÿìè "óãàäàé íîòó èç 4-õ, ïóñòü ñíà÷àëà íå ïîëó÷àåòñÿ, çàíèìàéòåñü ðåãóëÿðíî ïîíåìíîãó, ïîñòåïåííî ê Âàì ïðèäåò..." Ìîãó ñåáå ïðåäñòàâèòü, ñêîëüêî ëþäåé íå ñìîãëè èëè íå óñïåëè âåðíóòü ñâîè 100 äîëëàðîâ (èëè ñêîëüêî òàì?) Ñîãëàñåí ñ òåì, ÷òî îí î÷åíü õîðîøî îïèñûâàåò àáñîëþòíûé ñëóõ, ïðîèçâîäèò ýòàêóþ "ïñèõîëîãè÷åñêóþ íàñòðîéêó". Ïîëó÷èâ ýòó íàñòðîéêó, æåëàòåëüíî íåìåäëåííî ïåðåéòè ê êàêîé-íèáóäü äðóãîé ìåòîäèêå. Äàæå åñëè Áåðäæ 2.0 íàêîíåö ñìîã èçîáðåñòè ÷òî-òî ñóùåñòâåííî áîëåå öåííîå, ÿ íå â ñèëàõ ïðîñòèòü åìó ìíîãîëåòíåå èçäåâàòåëüñòâî íàä ëþäüìè â ïðîöåññå ñîáñòâåííîãî îáîãàùåíèÿ. Ê Áåðåæàíñêîìó çàðàíåå îòíîøóñü õîðîøî, íî çíàêîìèòüñÿ ñ åãî ìåòîäèêîé íåò âðåìåíè, ïîòîìó ÷òî ÿ ñåé÷àñ ðàáîòàþ íàä ñâîåé ñîáñòâåííîé ìåòîäèêîé ðàçâèòèÿ ÀÑ. Ïîêà ÿ ïîíÿë, ÷òî ó Áåðåæàíñêîãî ÷òî-òî ñîâñåì äðóãîå, à âîò Áåðäæà ÿ ìå÷òàþ ðàçìàçàòü óæå ëåò 15. Ïîõîæå, ñêîðî ýòî óäàñòñÿ. |
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Òåìà: Re: Àáñîëþòíûé ñëóõ(÷àñòü ÷åòâåðòàÿ).
Âðåìÿ: 02.09.2007 00:16 |
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Ëþäè! ó ìåíÿ àáñîëþòíûé ñëóõ îò ïðèðîäû! è ÿ Âàñ íå ïîíèìàþ, êàê âñåãäà íå ïîíèìàëà äðóãèõ ëþäåé, êîòîðûå ñòðåìèëèñü ê ðàçâèòèþ ó ñåáÿ ÀÑ! Ìîæåòå âíÿòíî îáúÿñíèòü, à çà÷åì??? |
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Òåìà: Re: Àáñîëþòíûé ñëóõ(÷àñòü ÷åòâåðòàÿ).
Âðåìÿ: 02.09.2007 02:29 |
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Ìîñêâà ãèòàðà, áàñ ![]() ![]() ![]() |
Óëûáêà Èñõîäÿ èç êíèãè Áåðåæàíñêîãî, ÀÑ îñíîâàí íà ëàäîâîì ÷óâñòâå, êîòîðîå, â ñâîþ î÷åðåäü, ÿâëÿåòñÿ îïðåäåëåííûì ñòåðåîòèïîì (îïûòîì), êîòîðûé èçíà÷àëüíî ñàì ïî ñåáå áûòü íå ìîæåò ó ÷åëîâåêà. Ñëåäîâàòåëüíî, âû è ìíîãèå äåòè, êîòîðûå î÷åíü ðàíî ïðîÿâëÿþò ïðèçíàêè ÀÑ, ïðîñòî íàðóøàåòå çàêîíû ôèçèêè. |
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"Áàõ è îðã`àí - ýòî íå îäíî è òî æå.." (c)
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Òåìà: Re: Àáñîëþòíûé ñëóõ(÷àñòü ÷åòâåðòàÿ).
Âðåìÿ: 02.09.2007 12:17 |
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ß ïîîáùàëñÿ ñ íàøåé ðóêîâîäèòåëüíèöåé õîðà. Îíà ãîâîðèò, ÷òî ñðàçó ñëûøèò ãäå äèðèæåð ñ ÀÑ, à ãäå ñ ÎÑ. Ó ÀÑ õîð çâó÷èò íåèíòåðåñíî è áåçòåìáðàëüíî. | |
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Òåìà: Re: Àáñîëþòíûé ñëóõ(÷àñòü ÷åòâåðòàÿ).
Âðåìÿ: 02.09.2007 13:56 |
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Þðàø) Íå ìîãó ñ Âàìè ñîãëàñèòüñÿ. ó ìîåãî ðóêîâîäèòåëÿ õîðà òîæå àáñîëþòíûé ñëóõ, íî å¸ øêîëüíûé õîð ñ÷èòàåòñÿ îäíèì èç ëó÷øèõ â Ïèòåðå! Âñ¸ çàâèñèò îò ïðîôåññèîíàëèçìà ìóçûêàíòà. |
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Òåìà: Re: Àáñîëþòíûé ñëóõ(÷àñòü ÷åòâåðòàÿ).
Âðåìÿ: 09.09.2007 16:21 |
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Ñàíêò-Ïåòåðáóðã Ôîðòåïèàíî, ãèòàðà, âîêàë, ðàçâèòèå ÀÑ è ÎÑ ![]() ![]() ![]() |
Âîïðîñû ê àáñîëþòíèêàì: 1.Êàêîâà "çîíà" ó ïàññèâíîãî è àêòèâíîãî ÀÑ, òî áèøü íà ñêîëüêî ìàêñèìàëüíî öåíòîâ îòêëîíåíèå âû íå ïî÷óâñòâóåòå ïðè ïðîñüáå îïðåäåëèòü çâóê è íà ñêîëüêî öåíòîâ îò ôèêñèðîâàííîé âûñîòû ñàìè îòêëîíèòåñü ïðè ïðîñüáå âîñïðîèçâåñòè êàêîé-ëèáî çâóê? 2.Öâåòíîé ñëóõ - ýòî ïðèâèëåãèÿ àáñîëþòíèêîâ èëè îí ìîæåò âñòðå÷àòüñÿ è ó ëþäåé ñ ÎÑ? |
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Òåìà: Re: Àáñîëþòíûé ñëóõ(÷àñòü ÷åòâåðòàÿ).
Âðåìÿ: 09.09.2007 23:42 |
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Ïî÷èòàë åùå ýòó âåòêó, òóò îêàçûâàåòñÿ î ìîåì îïûòå ñ Áåðäæåì âîïðîñ çàäàâàëè. Îòâå÷ó: ïî Áåðäæó çàíèìàëñÿ â 90-å ãîäû, òîãäà, ñêîðåå âñåãî, ìåòîäèêè Áåðåæàíñêîãî åùå íå áûëî. ß î íåé äåéñòâèòåëüíî òîëüêî íà ýòîì ôîðóìå óçíàë. Çàèíòåðåñîâàëî, ÷òî ñàì Áåðåæàíñêèé ãîâîðèë î Áåðäæå â ñâîåì ïîñòå. "óçíàâàíèå ìóçûêàëüíûõ çâóêîâ âîçìîæíî òîëüêî íà óðîâíå âîñïðèÿòèÿ, ò.å. îòíåñåíèÿ îäèíî÷íîãî ñåíñîðíîãî ñèãíàëà ê óïîðÿäî÷åííîé ñèñòåìå è ðàññìîòðåíèå åãî êàê ýëåìåíòà öåëîãî, à íå íà óðîâíå îùóùåíèÿ âíå êîíòåêñòà, êàê ïðåäëàãàåò àâòîð;" Òî åñòü, Áåðåæàíñêèé èìåë â âèäó íå "óçíàâàíèå", à, íàâåðíî, èçó÷åíèå èëè îñâîåíèå. À èíà÷å êàê àáñîëþòíèê ñûãðàííóþ íîòó óçíàåò âíå êîíòåêñòà? Åñëè òàê, òî ñîãëàñåí ïîëíîñòüþ, èìåííî â êîíòåêñòå. " èñïîëüçóåìûé àâòîðîì ñïîñîá äèôôåðåíöèðîâîê äëÿ ôîðìèðîâàíèÿ àáñîëþòíîãî ñëóõà (ñðàâíåíèå äâóõ, òðåõ, ÷åòûðåõ è áîëåå çâóêîâ) èññëåäîâàíèÿìè Â.Óýäåëëà, Í.À.Ãàðáóçîâà è äðóãèõ ïðèçíàí íåýôôåêòèâíûì; " Åñëè ãðóáî ñûãðàòü ÷åëîâåêó òðè íîòû è ñêàçàòü: ïîïðîáóé çàïîìíèòü, ÷òî ýòà çâó÷èò òàê-òî, à âîò ýòà òàê-òî, òî äà, ñîãëàñåí ñ óâàæàåìûìè Óýäåëëîì è Ãàðáóçîâûì. Íî äàâàéòå âñå-òàêè ïðåäïîëîæèì, ÷òî â ñâîåì àáñîëþòíîì çâó÷àíèè íîòû îáëàäàþò êàêèìè-òî óïîðÿäî÷åííûìè, ñòðóêòóðèðîâàííûìè õàðàêòåðèñòèêàìè! Íà ýòîì ñòðîèòñÿ ìîÿ áóäóùàÿ ìåòîäèêà: îïðåäåëåííûì "àáñîëþòíûì" ïðèçíàêîì îáëàäàþò âñå íîòû, îòíîñÿùèåñÿ, íàïðèìåð ê îäíîìó óìåíüøåííîìó ñåïòàêêîðäó.  ïðîãðàììå, êîòîðóþ ÿ äëÿ ñåáÿ íàïèñàë, ÿ ñëóøàþ ìåëîäèþ â ñëó÷àéíî âûáðàííîé òîíàëüíîñòè. Íî â ìåëîäèè íîòû, îòíîñÿùèåñÿ ê îäíèì è òåì æå óìåíüøåííûì ñåïòàêêîðäàì, ïðîõîäÿò ñòðîãî óïîðÿäî÷åííî. Çíàÿ "êëþ÷", êàê èìåííî ðàñïîçíàâàòü çâó÷àíèå íîò îäíîãî óìåíüøåííîãî ñåïòàêêîðäà â îòëè÷èå îò äðóãîãî, ÿ ìîãó ðàñïîçíàòü, ê êàêîìó èìåííî èç òðåõ óìåíüøåííûõ ñåïòàêêîðäîâ îòíîñÿòñÿ îïðåäåëåííûå íîòû ìåëîäèè. Òàêèì îáðàçîì, ÿ îïðåäåëÿþ ÷åòûðå âîçìîæíûõ ìåëîäèè èç äâåíàäöàòè. ß äóìàþ, ýòî êàê åñëè áû ìíå ñûãðàëè íîòó è ïðåäëîæèëè îäèí èç òðåõ âàðèàíòîâ îòâåòà, è ÿ óãàäàë áû. Òàê æå òî÷íî îïðåäåëåííûì "êà÷åñòâîì" îáëàäàþò íîòû, îòíîñÿùèåñÿ ê îäíîìó è òîìó æå óâåëè÷åííîìó òðåçâó÷èþ, à òàêæå, öåëîòîííîé ãàììå. Êàê âèäèòå, ìîÿ áóäóùàÿ ìåòîäèêà áîëüøå ïîõîæà íà Áåðäæà, ÷åì íà òî, ÷òî ÿ ïî÷èòàë òóò î Áåðåæàíñêîì. Ìîãó ñêàçàòü, ÷òî îïðåäåëÿþ ÿ ýòè ìåëîäèè ñî ñòàòèñòè÷åñêîé òî÷íîñòüþ, óæå íå âûçûâàþùåé ñîìíåíèé. Ïîêà ÿ íå äîøåë äî "ôèíàëüíîãî àêêîðäà" îñòàåòñÿ âîïðîñ, áóäåò ëè ýòî ìåòîäèêà ðàçâèòèÿ ÀÑ, èëè ÷òî-òî äîñåëå íåñëûõàííîå. ×åðåç ïîëòîðà-äâà ìåñÿöà âûëîæó ñàéò â èíòåðíåò, òàì áóäåò âñå â ñâîáîäíîì äîñòóïå |
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Òåìà: Re: Àáñîëþòíûé ñëóõ(÷àñòü ÷åòâåðòàÿ).
Âðåìÿ: 09.09.2007 23:45 |
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Ïàøà, áûâàåò àáñîëþòíûé öâåòíîé ñëóõ, à áûâàåò îòíîñèòåëüíûé (öâåòíîå âîñïðèÿòèå òîíàëüíûõ ôóíêöèé èëè ñòóïåíåé). Ñì. http://brainin.org/Method/Graphics%20and%20ear%20training_RU.htm | |
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Òåìà: Re: Àáñîëþòíûé ñëóõ(÷àñòü ÷åòâåðòàÿ).
Âðåìÿ: 09.09.2007 23:46 |
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Èëè çäåñü http://brainin.org/Method/graphics_ear-training_ru.pdf | |
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Òåìà: Re: Àáñîëþòíûé ñëóõ(÷àñòü ÷åòâåðòàÿ).
Âðåìÿ: 09.09.2007 23:52 |
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Âîò êîå-÷òî èç ñàìîãî íà÷àëà ìîåé áóäóùåé ìåòîäèêè: Äàâàéòå ïîñëóøàåì, êàê çâó÷èò õðîìàòè÷åñêàÿ ãàììà. Íå óäèâëÿéòåñü, ÷òî òåìï ñðàâíèòåëüíî áûñòðûé. Äåëî â òîì, ÷òî ñëóøàòü ìû áóäåì íå çâó÷àíèå êàæäîé îòäåëüíîé íîòû, à, ñêîðåå, çâó÷àíèå ôðàç-öèêëîâ: îòðåçêîâ ïî ÷åòûðå è ïî òðè íîòû. Ïðè ìåäëåííîì òåìïå ýòî áûëî áû çàòðóäíèòåëüíî. Ñëóøàÿ, ïðî ñåáÿ âûäåëÿåì îòðåçêè ïî ÷åòûðå íîòû: ðå, ðå#, ìè, ôà / ôà#, ñîëü, ñîëü#, ëÿ / ëÿ#, ñè, äî, äî#. Ñêîðåå âñåãî, ïîÿâèòñÿ îùóùåíèå, ÷òî ýòè îòðåçêè ÷åì-òî ïîõîäÿò äðóã íà äðóãà, îíè âîñïðèíèìàþòñÿ, êàê íåêèå öèêëû, â êàæäîì èç êîòîðûõ åñòü ÷òî-òî îáùåå â ïîñëåäíèõ, èëè ïåðâûõ, èëè âòîðûõ, èëè òðåòüèõ íîòàõ. Åñëè Âû ãèòàðèñò, è èãðàåòå õðîìàòè÷åñêóþ ãàììó íà ãèòàðå, òî ìîæåòå îùóòèòü, ÷òî äåëèòü "ïî ÷åòûðå" óäîáíî, è, âîçìîæíî, äåëî òóò íå òîëüêî â àïïëèêàòóðå èëè ëîãè÷íîñòè òàêîãî äåëåíèÿ. Ïàëüöû ëåãêî äâèãàþòñÿ, âñå èäåò, êàê ïî ìàñëó, è Âû îùóùàåòå ÷òî-òî îáùåå â ñàìîì çâó÷àíèè ýòèõ îòðåçêîâ. À òåïåðü, ñëóøàÿ, ïîïðîáóéòå âûäåëèòü îòðåçêè ïî òðè íîòû: ðå, ðå#, ìè / ôà, ôà#, ñîëü / ñîëü#, ëÿ, ëÿ# / ñè, äî, äî#. Îùóùåíèå áóäåò íåìíîãî äðóãîå. Ëèáî, íà ïåðâûé âçãëÿä, ïîêàæåòñÿ, ÷òî òåïåðü ýòè îòðåçêè íå ïîõîäÿò äðóã íà äðóãà, ëèáî Âû îùóòèòå, ÷òî îíè òàê æå ïîõîäÿò è ñâÿçàíû ìåæäó ñîáîé, íî ñîâñåì ïî äðóãîìó ïðèíöèïó. Ìîæåò áûòü òàê, ÷òî äëÿ Âàñ íàîáîðîò, áîëåå îùóòèìîé ïðè ïåðâîì ïðîñëóøèâàíèè ïîêàæåòñÿ ñâÿçü ìåæäó îòðåçêàìè ïî òðè íîòû. À åùå, ìîæåò âîçíèêíóòü îùóùåíèå ïîõîæåñòè îòðåçêà «ðå, ðå#, ìè» íà îòðåçîê «ñîëü#, ëÿ, ëÿ#», è, ñîîòâåòñòâåííî, îòðåçêà «ôà, ôà#, ñîëü» íà «ñè, äî, äî#». Òî, åñòü, äåëåíèå "ïî øåñòü", â êîòîðîì ïðèñóòñòâóþò îòðåçêè "ïî òðè". Ïîíÿòíî, ÷òî çäåñü íå îêàçûâàþò âëèÿíèÿ íèêàêèå èíòåðâàëüíûå ñîîòíîøåíèÿ, ïîñêîëüêó õðîìàòè÷åñêàÿ ãàììà ðàâíîìåðíà è âêëþ÷àåò âñå äâåíàäöàòü íîò. ×óòü ïîçæå ÿ äàþ êëþ÷åâûå ñëîâà (ýòî òèïà ïñèõîëîãè÷åñêîãî ïðèåìà, ÷òîá àññîöèàöèè âñÿêèå ðîæäàëèñü è ñóììèðîâàëèñü), ÷åì îòëè÷àåòñÿ çâó÷àíèå ýòèõ öèêëîâ: Ïî 4 íîòû: îêðàñêà, õàðàêòåð, öâåò, ïðèâêóñ, êîíñèñòåíöèÿ, ñóáñòàíöèÿ, àêöåíò, ñòèõèÿ... Ïî 3 íîòû: àêòèâíîñòü, äâèæåíèå, ïðîÿâëåíèå, äåéñòâèå, íàïðàâëåííîñòü, ïîâåäåíèå |
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Òåìà: Re: Àáñîëþòíûé ñëóõ(÷àñòü ÷åòâåðòàÿ).
Âðåìÿ: 25.09.2007 15:40 |
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Îòíîñèòåëüíî êîëè÷åñòâà äèñêîâ ó Áåðäæà ïðèøëà â ãîëîâó òàêàÿ àññîöèàöèÿ.  ñâîå âðåìÿ ïîïàëàñü êíèæêà àâòîðà Ñûòèíà ñ ìåòîäèêîé îçäîðîâëåíèÿ. Ñìûñë ñâîäèëñÿ ê àóòîòðåíèíãó - ìîë, ñèäèøü è âíóøàåøü ñåáå ÷òî "ìîÿ ïå÷åíü çäîðîâååò, ìîè ìûøöû íàïîëíÿþòñÿ ñèëîé, ïåíèñ óäëèííÿåòñÿ ..." - íó è ÷åðåç íåêîòîðîå âðåìÿ ïîëó÷àåøü ðåçóëüòàò ![]() Íûíåøíåå âðåìÿ õàðàêòåðèçóåòñÿ "îòîðâàííîñòüþ" ìåòîäèêè îò ïðåïîäàâàòåëÿ. Ò.å. ó÷åíèê íå èìååò æèâîãî êîíòàêòà íå òîëüêî ñ àâòîðîì ìåòîäèêè, íî è ñ ïðåïîäàâàòåëåì âîîáùå.  ñâÿçè ñ ýòèì àâòîðàì ïðèõîäèòñÿ ïðèáåãàòü ê ðàçëè÷íûì ïðèåìàì "ïîäîãðåâà" ýíòóçèàçìà ó÷åíèêîâ. Íà æèâûõ çàíÿòèÿõ ýíòóçèàçì ïîääåðæèâàåòñÿ õàðèçìîé ïðåïîäàâàòåëÿ, åãî ìàíåðîé îáùåíèÿ è ò.ï. À âîò äëÿ êóðñîâ ñàìîñòîÿòåëüíîãî îáó÷åíèÿ ïðèõîäèòñÿ ïîääåðæèâàòü èíòåðåñ ãðîìîãëàñíûìè çàÿâëåíèÿìè î ñòîïðîöåíòíîì ðåçóëüòàòå è ðàçëè÷íûìè "success story" áûâøèõ ó÷åíèêîâ. |
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Òåìà: Re: Àáñîëþòíûé ñëóõ(÷àñòü ÷åòâåðòàÿ).
Âðåìÿ: 25.09.2007 20:15 |
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Ñèäîð >  ñâÿçè ñ ýòèì àâòîðàì ïðèõîäèòñÿ ïðèáåãàòü ê ðàçëè÷íûì ïðèåìàì "ïîäîãðåâà" ýíòóçèàçìà ó÷åíèêîâ. > À âîò äëÿ êóðñîâ ñàìîñòîÿòåëüíîãî îáó÷åíèÿ ïðèõîäèòñÿ ïîääåðæèâàòü èíòåðåñ ãðîìîãëàñíûìè çàÿâëåíèÿìè î ñòîïðîöåíòíîì ðåçóëüòàòå è ðàçëè÷íûìè "success story" áûâøèõ ó÷åíèêîâ. Òåì áîëåå, åñëè íå÷åãî áîëüøå íå÷åãî ïðåäëîæèòü, êðîìå áîëòîâíè. Ýíòóçèàçì â ïîñîáèè Áåðåæàíñêîãî ïîääåðæèâàåòñÿ íå áàéêàìè, à ÷åòêîé ñèñòåìîé óïðàæíåíèé îò ïðîñòîãî ê ñëîæíîìó è êîíêðåòíûìè ïîñòàâëåííûìè öåëÿìè ïðè ìèíèìóìå ñëîâ (íà äèñêàõ îíè âîîáùå îòñóòñòâóþò, êðîìå îáúÿâëåíèÿ íîìåðà óïðàæíåíèÿ è òåìïà). Òîëüêî ïðàêòèêà-ïðàêòèêà-ïðàêòèêà è íèêàêîé ìîçãîòåðàïèè. |
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"îñòàíåòñÿ âîïðîñ î òîì, íàñêîëüêî àäåêâàòíî òîò èëè
èíîé ó÷àñòíèê ôîðóìà îöåíèâàåò ñâîé ðåçóëüòàò"(ñ) |
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Òåìà: Re: Àáñîëþòíûé ñëóõ(÷àñòü ÷åòâåðòàÿ).
Âðåìÿ: 26.09.2007 11:14 |
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> Ýíòóçèàçì â ïîñîáèè Áåðåæàíñêîãî ïîääåðæèâàåòñÿ íå áàéêàìè, à ÷åòêîé ñèñòåìîé óïðàæíåíèé îò ïðîñòîãî ê ñëîæíîìó è êîíêðåòíûìè ïîñòàâëåííûìè öåëÿìè ß ïîäîçðåâàþ ÷òî áîëåå-ìåíåå "÷åòêàÿ ñèñòåìà óïðàæíåíèé îò ïðîñòîãî ê ñëîæíîìó" õàðàêòåðíà äëÿ ëþáîé ìåòîäèêè (èíà÷å â ÷åì ìåòîäèêà?) Äëÿ ëþáîãî îáó÷åíèÿ õàðàêòåðíû ïåðèîäû "âçëåòà" è îòíîñèòåëüíîãî "òîïòàíèÿ íà ìåñòå". Âî âðåìÿ âçëåòîâ ÷åëîâåê îáû÷íî íå íóæäàåòñÿ â "ìîçãîòåðàïèè". À âîò â ïåðèîä çàñòîÿ "ïîäïèòêà" íåîáõîäèìà. Êîìó òî äîñòàòî÷íî ëèøíèé ðàç âñïîìíèòü çàÿâëåíèå î 100% ðåçóëüòàòèâíîñòè ìåòîäèêè. Ìåòîäèêà Áåðäæà ðàññ÷èòàíà â ïåðâóþ î÷åðåäü íà àìåðèêàíöåâ - âèäèìî èì "ìîçãîòåðàïèÿ" êàê ðàç íåîáõîäèìà ![]() |
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