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                                         Òåìà: Ïî÷åìó Çàïàä ïûòàåòñÿ ïåðåñìîòðåòü èòîãè Âòîðîé Ìèðîâîé âîéíû?
                                        
                                         Âðåìÿ: 14.02.2018 16:38  | 
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Â.Ïóòèí òî÷íî îïðåäåëèë öåëü ýòèõ ïîòóã: «Ïîäòî÷èòü ñèëó è ìîðàëüíûé àâòîðèòåò ñîâðåìåííîé Ðîññèè, ëèøèòü åå ñòàòóñà ñòðàíû ïîáåäèòåëüíèöû» ×òî òàêèå óñòðåìëåíèÿ ìîãóò ïðèâåñòè ê «çåìåëüíîìó ïåðåäåëó» â ñàìîé Åâðîïå, àâòîðû ýòèõ «ïîäïðûãèâàíèé» íå çàäóìûâàþòñÿ. ß ñ÷èòàþ, ÷òî ñåé ïîëèòè÷åñêèé äåìàðø (ïåðåñìîòð èòîãîâ 2-é ìèðîâîé) – èìååò âåñüìà êîíêðåòíûå ôèíàíñîâûå è òåððèòîðèàëüíûå ïðèòÿçàíèÿ. ×òî äóìàåòå?  | 
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My Studio album (91) https://w1.musify.club/release/michael-brondsted-uniquely-best-1991-1307679 Ìîé Þòóá https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCYiAjs_SXgMnifJenjL_sxA Ìîé Ðóòóá https://rutube.ru/channel/24949156/videos  | 
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                                         Òåìà: Re: Ïî÷åìó Çàïàä ïûòàåòñÿ ïåðåñìîòðåòü èòîãè Âòîðîé Ìèðîâîé âîéíû?
                                        
                                         Âðåìÿ: 14.02.2018 16:58  | 
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                                            Åêàòåðèíáóðã | 
                                    
                                        
Ìèõàýëü, åñòü òåìà ïðî ÑØÀ, è åñòü òåìà èìåíè òåáÿ ïðî íåïîäêîíòðîëüíûå ÑÌÈ, ãäå ìîæíî â òîì ÷èñëå îáñóæäàòü âíåøíþþ ïîëèòèêó.  çà÷åì íîâûå ïëîäèòü?  | 
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– Ñïàñèáî, ó ìåíÿ ñâîÿ.  | 
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                                         Òåìà: Re: Ïî÷åìó Çàïàä ïûòàåòñÿ ïåðåñìîòðåòü èòîãè Âòîðîé Ìèðîâîé âîéíû?
                                        
                                         Âðåìÿ: 14.02.2018 17:35  | 
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                                            Åêàòåðèíáóðã | 
                                    Îòêðûòî ïî ïðîñüáå îáùåñòâåííîñòè. | |
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 – Õîòèòå, ÿ ñêàæó âàì ïðàâäó? 
– Ñïàñèáî, ó ìåíÿ ñâîÿ.  | 
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                                         Òåìà: Re: Ïî÷åìó Çàïàä ïûòàåòñÿ ïåðåñìîòðåòü èòîãè Âòîðîé Ìèðîâîé âîéíû?
                                        
                                         Âðåìÿ: 14.02.2018 17:45  | 
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                                            Çëàòîãëàâàÿ Guitar's & Sound  | 
                                    
                                        
Ìîæíî çàêðûâàòü.Ðýäíåê íåãîäóåò.Îí æåæ â êóðñå âñåãî è âñÿ  
                                        
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                                         Òåìà: Re: Ïî÷åìó Çàïàä ïûòàåòñÿ ïåðåñìîòðåòü èòîãè Âòîðîé Ìèðîâîé âîéíû?
                                        
                                         Âðåìÿ: 14.02.2018 17:48  | 
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                                            Î÷åíü ïëîõîé ìîäåðàòîð | 
                                    
                                        
>×òî äóìàåòå? Íåïîíÿòíî, ÷òî èìåííî çàïàä ïðåäëàãàåò ïåðåñìîòðåòü. Îò ÷åãî îòêàçàòüñÿ, ñ ÷åì ñîãëàñèòüñÿ...  | 
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                                         Òåìà: Re: Ïî÷åìó Çàïàä ïûòàåòñÿ ïåðåñìîòðåòü èòîãè Âòîðîé Ìèðîâîé âîéíû?
                                        
                                         Âðåìÿ: 14.02.2018 17:53  | 
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                                            Çëàòîãëàâàÿ Guitar's & Sound  | 
                                    
                                        
>>×òî äóìàåòå? >Íåïîíÿòíî, ÷òî èìåííî çàïàä ïðåäëàãàåò ïåðåñìîòðåòü. Îò ÷åãî îòêàçàòüñÿ, ñ ÷åì ñîãëàñèòüñÿ... Âñå òû ïîíèìàåøü Îäèí.  | 
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                                         Òåìà: Re: Ïî÷åìó Çàïàä ïûòàåòñÿ ïåðåñìîòðåòü èòîãè Âòîðîé Ìèðîâîé âîéíû?
                                        
                                         Âðåìÿ: 14.02.2018 17:53  | 
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                                            Ìîñêîâ Ãîëîâà  | 
                                    Êòî òàêîé "Çàïàä"? ÑØÀ? Ñåðáèÿ? Ïîëüøà? Çàïàäíàÿ Óêðàèíà? | |
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 " Íà ôîòî îíè âîîáùå íå äâèãàþòñÿ" (Ñ) ËÞÄÂÈÃ 
"Ïî ôàêòó äåþðî. À ïî ñóòè íåò" (Ñ) ÕîÇå "ß æå âàñ äåòåêòåä ïî òîìó ÷òî âû íåñåüå è íà ÷òî ññûëàêòåñü" (Ñ) Îëåã-Àëëåê-Gleo.  | 
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                                         Òåìà: Re: Ïî÷åìó Çàïàä ïûòàåòñÿ ïåðåñìîòðåòü èòîãè Âòîðîé Ìèðîâîé âîéíû?
                                        
                                         Âðåìÿ: 14.02.2018 17:55  | 
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                                            Î÷åíü ïëîõîé ìîäåðàòîð | 
                                    
                                        
>>>×òî äóìàåòå? >>Íåïîíÿòíî, ÷òî èìåííî çàïàä ïðåäëàãàåò ïåðåñìîòðåòü. Îò ÷åãî îòêàçàòüñÿ, ñ ÷åì ñîãëàñèòüñÿ... >Âñå òû ïîíèìàåøü Îäèí. Íåò. Îäèí òðåáóåò ïîÿñíåíèÿ. ×òî èçìåíèòñÿ â æèçíè Îäèíà îò ïåðåñìîòðà çàïàäîì ÷åãî-òî òàì?  | 
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                                         Òåìà: Re: Ïî÷åìó Çàïàä ïûòàåòñÿ ïåðåñìîòðåòü èòîãè Âòîðîé Ìèðîâîé âîéíû?
                                        
                                         Âðåìÿ: 14.02.2018 18:04  | 
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                                            Tchad À/H2N3  | 
                                    
                                        
>×òî èçìåíèòñÿ â æèçíè Îäèíà îò ïåðåñìîòðà çàïàäîì ÷åãî-òî òà îòêîïàåøü äåäà, ñîðâåøü îðäåíà      Óðinn ,  íå òåáå ëè÷íî, íî ýòî òîæå ïðåäïîëàãàåòñÿ êàê è ïëàòèòü è êàÿòüñÿ.
                                        
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                                         Òåìà: Re: Ïî÷åìó Çàïàä ïûòàåòñÿ ïåðåñìîòðåòü èòîãè Âòîðîé Ìèðîâîé âîéíû?
                                        
                                         Âðåìÿ: 14.02.2018 18:09  | 
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                                            Î÷åíü ïëîõîé ìîäåðàòîð | 
                                    
                                        
>îòêîïàåøü äåäà, ñîðâåøü îðäåíà Ýòî ó êîãî òàê êðûøó ðâ¸ò?  
                                        
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                                         Òåìà: Re: Ïî÷åìó Çàïàä ïûòàåòñÿ ïåðåñìîòðåòü èòîãè Âòîðîé Ìèðîâîé âîéíû?
                                        
                                         Âðåìÿ: 14.02.2018 18:11  | 
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                                            Tchad À/H2N3  | 
                                    Óðinn , äàæ áåç øóòîê,, òû ñàì âèäèøü êàêîå êîëè÷åñòâî îêàñòðþëåííûõ ïî îáå ñòîðîíû ãðàíèöû îðåò íà ñâîèõ îòöîâ è ìàòåðåé "âàòà", îòðåêàåòñÿ îò ðîäñòâåííèêîâ. Âîò ýòî êàê ðàç ÷àñòü "ïåðåñìîòðîâ èòîãîâ" ÷åãî-òî òàì. âáèâàíèå êëèíà, ó êîãî ìåæ áëèçêèìè, ó êîãî ìåæ ïîëóøàðèÿìè. | |
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                                         Òåìà: Re: Ïî÷åìó Çàïàä ïûòàåòñÿ ïåðåñìîòðåòü èòîãè Âòîðîé Ìèðîâîé âîéíû?
                                        
                                         Âðåìÿ: 14.02.2018 18:15  | 
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                                            Î÷åíü ïëîõîé ìîäåðàòîð | 
                                    
                                        
>òû ñàì âèäèøü êàêîå êîëè÷åñòâî îêàñòðþëåííûõ ïî îáå ñòîðîíû ãðàíèöû îðåò íà ñâîèõ îòöîâ è ìàòåðåé "âàòà", îòðåêàåòñÿ îò ðîäñòâåííèêîâ Íå âèæó. >Âîò ýòî êàê ðàç ÷àñòü "ïåðåñìîòðîâ èòîãîâ" ÷åãî-òî òàì. âáèâàíèå êëèíà, ó êîãî ìåæ áëèçêèìè, ó êîãî ìåæ ïîëóøàðèÿìè. Êîíêðåòíåå, ïîæàëóéñòà.  | 
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                                         Òåìà: Re: Ïî÷åìó Çàïàä ïûòàåòñÿ ïåðåñìîòðåòü èòîãè Âòîðîé Ìèðîâîé âîéíû?
                                        
                                         Âðåìÿ: 14.02.2018 18:18  | 
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                                            Ìîñêâà | 
                                    
                                        
>êàêîå êîëè÷åñòâî îêàñòðþëåííûõ ïî îáå ñòîðîíû ãðàíèöû îðåò íà ñâîèõ îòöîâ è ìàòåðåé "âàòà" Wut'a? "Ïåðåñìîòðåòü ïûòàåòñÿ" çàïàä, à îðóò ïî÷åìó-òî ïî ñòîðîíàì ñîâåðøåííî âîñòî÷íûõ ãðàíèö.  | 
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                                         Òåìà: Re: Ïî÷åìó Çàïàä ïûòàåòñÿ ïåðåñìîòðåòü èòîãè Âòîðîé Ìèðîâîé âîéíû?
                                        
                                         Âðåìÿ: 14.02.2018 18:22  | 
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>>òû ñàì âèäèøü êàêîå êîëè÷åñòâî îêàñòðþëåííûõ ïî îáå ñòîðîíû ãðàíèöû îðåò íà ñâîèõ îòöîâ è ìàòåðåé "âàòà", îòðåêàåòñÿ îò ðîäñòâåííèêîâ >Íå âèæó. ìîæåò ýòî ê ëó÷øåìó, ïî êðàéíåé ìåðå íå ïîáåæèøü ïàìÿòíèêè âàëèòü.   >>Âîò ýòî êàê ðàç ÷àñòü "ïåðåñìîòðîâ èòîãîâ" ÷åãî-òî òàì. âáèâàíèå êëèíà, ó êîãî ìåæ áëèçêèìè, ó êîãî ìåæ ïîëóøàðèÿìè. >Êîíêðåòíåå, ïîæàëóéñòà. ÷åãî êîíêðåòíåé, ÿ âîò ïîìíþ ïîäîáíóþ íàêà÷êó â 91 ïåðåä ðàçâàëîì. õîðîøî ãðàæäàíñêîé âîéíîé íå îáåðíóëîñü. à êîå ãäå è õóæå, è äî ñèõ ïîð "ïåðåñìàòðèâàþò èòîãè" âïëîòü äî ôèçè÷åñêîãî âûïèëèâàíèÿ îïïîíåíòîâ.  | 
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                                         Òåìà: Re: Ïî÷åìó Çàïàä ïûòàåòñÿ ïåðåñìîòðåòü èòîãè Âòîðîé Ìèðîâîé âîéíû?
                                        
                                         Âðåìÿ: 14.02.2018 18:25  | 
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                                            Î÷åíü ïëîõîé ìîäåðàòîð | 
                                    Buck , ÿ òàê è íå ïîíÿë, ÷òî òàì çàïàä-òî ïåðåñìàòðèâàåò? | |
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                                         Òåìà: Re: Ïî÷åìó Çàïàä ïûòàåòñÿ ïåðåñìîòðåòü èòîãè Âòîðîé Ìèðîâîé âîéíû?
                                        
                                         Âðåìÿ: 14.02.2018 18:27  | 
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>"Ïåðåñìîòðåòü ïûòàåòñÿ" çàïàä, à îðóò ïî÷åìó-òî ïî ñòîðîíàì ñîâåðøåííî âîñòî÷íûõ ãðàíèö. ÐýäíýÊ , òàì òîæå ñâîè òàðàêàíû, ïàìÿòíèêè êîëóìáó è ëè âàëÿò. ß îá îáùåé òåíäåíöèè äëÿ ÷åãî. Òàì ïåðåñìàòðèâàþò, ñþäà çàêèäûâàþò, áëàãî åñòü åùå è ñòðàíû áûâøåãî ñ íåãðàæäàíàìè. Âàòà, ýòî íàñ êàñàòåëüíî, à òàê, óæå ìíîãî ãäå "ïåðåñìàòðèâàëè"  | 
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                                         Òåìà: Re: Ïî÷åìó Çàïàä ïûòàåòñÿ ïåðåñìîòðåòü èòîãè Âòîðîé Ìèðîâîé âîéíû?
                                        
                                         Âðåìÿ: 14.02.2018 18:28  | 
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>ÿ òàê è íå ïîíÿë, ÷òî òàì çàïàä-òî ïåðåñìàòðèâàåò? âíà çàïàä? îíà óñèëåííî ïåðåñìàòðèâàåò  
                                        
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                                         Òåìà: Re: Ïî÷åìó Çàïàä ïûòàåòñÿ ïåðåñìîòðåòü èòîãè Âòîðîé Ìèðîâîé âîéíû?
                                        
                                         Âðåìÿ: 14.02.2018 18:31  | 
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                                            Ìîñêâà | 
                                    
                                        
>óæå ìíîãî ãäå "ïåðåñìàòðèâàëè" Ãèòëåð íèõò êàïóòåí, Äîé÷ëàíä íèõò êàïèòóëèðåí?  | 
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                                         Òåìà: Re: Ïî÷åìó Çàïàä ïûòàåòñÿ ïåðåñìîòðåòü èòîãè Âòîðîé Ìèðîâîé âîéíû?
                                        
                                         Âðåìÿ: 14.02.2018 18:32  | 
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                                            Î÷åíü ïëîõîé ìîäåðàòîð | 
                                    
                                        
>>ÿ òàê è íå ïîíÿë, ÷òî òàì çàïàä-òî ïåðåñìàòðèâàåò? >âíà çàïàä? îíà óñèëåííî ïåðåñìàòðèâàåò Î÷åâèäíî, ÷òî àâòîð èìåë â âèäó äðóãîé Çàïàä. Åñòü èäåè?  | 
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                                         Òåìà: Re: Ïî÷åìó Çàïàä ïûòàåòñÿ ïåðåñìîòðåòü èòîãè Âòîðîé Ìèðîâîé âîéíû?
                                        
                                         Âðåìÿ: 14.02.2018 18:34  | 
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                                    ÐýäíýÊ , ÿ îá îáùåé òåíäåíöèè, à òû ñîâñåì ïî òåìå. | |
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                                         Òåìà: Re: Ïî÷åìó Çàïàä ïûòàåòñÿ ïåðåñìîòðåòü èòîãè Âòîðîé Ìèðîâîé âîéíû?
                                        
                                         Âðåìÿ: 14.02.2018 18:35  | 
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                                            Ìîñêâà | 
                                    Buck , äà êàê ðàç òî, î ÷¸ì òû- ýòî âîîáùå íå òåíäåíöèÿ, à ÷àñòíûå ñëó÷àè. | |
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                                         Òåìà: Re: Ïî÷åìó Çàïàä ïûòàåòñÿ ïåðåñìîòðåòü èòîãè Âòîðîé Ìèðîâîé âîéíû?
                                        
                                         Âðåìÿ: 14.02.2018 18:41  | 
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>Î÷åâèäíî, ÷òî àâòîð èìåë â âèäó äðóãîé Çàïàä. Åñòü èäåè? Óðinn , òîò çàïàä ïåðåñìàòðèâàåò, à ýòîò çàïàä ìîçãè äðóã-äðóãó óæå âûáèâàåò. òû æå ñâèôòà ÷èòàë ïðî ÿéöà? Ìàñê ðàêåòó çàïóñêàåò à íåíüêà âìåñòî ðàêåò ðåøàåò êòî Óêðàèíó îñâîáîæäàë à êòî îêêóïèðîâàë.    Èìïîðò óïàë â ðàçû è áàáëî â äðóãèå êàðìàíû òå÷åò. Òàê æå ñ íàìè âîçìîæíî.
                                        
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                                         Òåìà: Re: Ïî÷åìó Çàïàä ïûòàåòñÿ ïåðåñìîòðåòü èòîãè Âòîðîé Ìèðîâîé âîéíû?
                                        
                                         Âðåìÿ: 14.02.2018 18:44  | 
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                                            Î÷åíü ïëîõîé ìîäåðàòîð | 
                                    Buck , ìîæíî áåç ñòðåëîê íà Óêðàèíó - ÷òî Çàïàä ïåðåñìàòðèâàåò? | |
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                                         Âðåìÿ: 14.02.2018 19:01  | 
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>Íåïîíÿòíî, ÷òî èìåííî çàïàä ïðåäëàãàåò ïåðåñìîòðåòü. Îò ÷åãî îòêàçàòüñÿ, ñ ÷åì ñîãëàñèòüñÿ... Óðinn, Ïóòèí âûñêàçàëñÿ âíÿòíî – «êòî è çà÷åì», òû âèäåî ñìîòðåë? Ó òåáÿ ìîæåò áûòü äðóãîå ìíåíèå, íî òû ïîêà åãî íå ñôîðìóëèðîâàë   Çàïàä (äàáû îñëàáèòü Ðîññèþ) ïûòàåòñÿ çàñòàâèòü åå ïîñòîÿííî êàÿòüñÿ ïîä íàäóìàííûìè ïðåäëîãàìè. Ëóêàâî ïðèðàâíÿòü ôàøèçì è ñòàëèíèçì. Äåíü ïîáåäû – çàìåíèòü äíåì ñêîðáè î æåðòâàõ. Êàê ãîâîðèòñÿ, ïî÷óâñòâóéòå ðàçíèöó. Äåïóòàò ñåéìà Ëèíàñ Áàëüñèñ âûñòóïèë ñ ïðåäëîæåíèåì çàáðàòü ó Ðîññèè Êàëèíèíãðàäñêóþ îáëàñòü    | 
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My Studio album (91) https://w1.musify.club/release/michael-brondsted-uniquely-best-1991-1307679 Ìîé Þòóá https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCYiAjs_SXgMnifJenjL_sxA Ìîé Ðóòóá https://rutube.ru/channel/24949156/videos  | 
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                                         Âðåìÿ: 14.02.2018 19:09  | 
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>Äåíü ïîáåäû – çàìåíèòü äíåì ñêîðáè î æåðòâàõ Â êàêîé ñòðàíå ñóùåñòâóåò òàêîå íàçâàíèå?  | 
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                                         Âðåìÿ: 14.02.2018 19:19  | 
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Èñòîðèÿ WW2 íåèçáåæíî áóäåò ïåðåñìàòðèâàòüñÿ âî âñåõ ñòðàíàõ. Ñëèøêîì îíà ñïîðíàÿ. Âîò îáúåêòèâíûå ïðè÷èíû äëÿ ïåðåñìîòðà ó íàñ: 1) Âîéíà ñ Ôèíëÿíäèåé - ïðàâåäíàÿ/íåïðàâåäíàÿ? ×åì îòëè÷àåòñÿ Ìàííåðãåéì îò Áàíäåðû, ôèíñêèé íàðîä îò çàïàäíî-óêðàèíñêîãî è ò.ä.? 2) Äðóæáà ñ Ãèòëåðîì. Îòíîøåíèå ê íåé? 22 èþíÿ Ãåðìàíèÿ íàïàëà íà ÑÑÑÐ ÂÅÐÎËÎÌÍÎ . Ïîëó÷àåòñÿ, ñëîìàâ íàøó âåðó â íå¸ (ãû!). Ìû îôèöèàëüíî ïðîñèëèñü â ñîþç Îñè ÷åòâ¸ðòûì íîìåðîì. Ìû ïîäïèñàëè ïàêò ñ ñåêðåòíûìè ïðîòîêîëàìè, êîãäà Ãèòëåð âèäåëñÿ íå ñìåðòåëüíîé îïàñíîñòüþ, à ëèøü ìåëêèì âîçìóòèòåëåì ñïîêîéñòâèÿ. Ñ êàêîé èñòèííîé öåëüþ? Êó÷à âîïðîñîâ î òîì, ÷òî áûëî áû, åñëè áû... (åñëè áû íå 22 èþíÿ)? 3)  ñâåòå àííåêñèè Êðûìà âîïðîñ, ÷åì íàøè äåéñòâèÿ îòëè÷àþòñÿ îò ñõîæèõ Ãèòëåðà è Ìóññîëèíè? Çàõâàòà Ìåìåëÿ/Êëàéïåäû, ×åõîñëîâàêèè? Ìóññîëèíüåâñêîãî èððåäåíòèçìà? 4) Îòíîøåíèå ê èñòîðèè ñ "ðåïðåññèðîâàííûìè íàðîäàìè". Êòî îíè: êîçëû, ìîëîäöû, òðåòüå? ×åì îòëè÷àþòñÿ îò "óêðàèíñêîãî íàðîäà"? 5) Áûëà ëè Îòå÷åñòâåííàÿ âîéíà òàêæå ïðîäîëæåíèåì ãðàæäàíñêîé? Îòêåëü ñòîëüêî âëàñîâöåâ è èíûõ "èçìåííèêîâ Ðîäèíû"? 6) À ñ êàêîé ñòàòè ÷òèòü èñòîðèþ òîãî ïîêîëåíèÿ, êîòîðîå íå ìîðãíóâ ãëàçîì, ðàñòîïòàëî èñòîðèþ âñåé äîðåâîëþöèîííîé Ðîññèè? Ïðè÷¸ì ÿâíî îêëåâåòàëî å¸, è ñîâåðøèëî ñî ñâîèìè ñî ãðàæäàíàìè ïðåñòóïëåíèå ñîïîñòàâèìîå ñ ãèòëåðîâñêèì? Äàé Áîã, õîòü íà îäèí èç ýòèõ âîïðîñîâ ïîëó÷èòü îòâåò îò "èâàíóøåê"  | 
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 Ñàìîñòîÿòåëüíî ïðèéòè ê Áîãó - âñå ðàâíî, ÷òî ãëóõîíåìîìó ñòàòü âåëèêèì êîìïîçèòîðîì. 
Êîãäà ãîâîðÿò î “ðóññêîé ïîýçèè”, î åå “çîëîòîì” èëè “ñåðåáðÿíîì âåêå” – ìíå ñòàíîâèòñÿ ñìåøíî. “Ðóññêîé ïîýçèè” íåò, êàê íåò “ðóññêîãî ðîêà”.  | 
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                                         Òåìà: Re: Ïî÷åìó Çàïàä ïûòàåòñÿ ïåðåñìîòðåòü èòîãè Âòîðîé Ìèðîâîé âîéíû?
                                        
                                         Âðåìÿ: 14.02.2018 19:25  | 
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>>Äåíü ïîáåäû – çàìåíèòü äíåì ñêîðáè î æåðòâàõ >Â êàêîé ñòðàíå ñóùåñòâóåò òàêîå íàçâàíèå? Âîò îäèí èç ïðèìåðîâ    | 
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My Studio album (91) https://w1.musify.club/release/michael-brondsted-uniquely-best-1991-1307679 Ìîé Þòóá https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCYiAjs_SXgMnifJenjL_sxA Ìîé Ðóòóá https://rutube.ru/channel/24949156/videos  | 
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                                         Âðåìÿ: 14.02.2018 19:41  | 
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>Âîò îäèí èç ïðèìåðîâ Â Óêðàèíå 8 ìàÿ - äåíü ïàìÿòè è ñêîðáè, 9 ìàÿ - äåíü ïîáåäû.  | 
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Êîãäà ãîâîðÿò î “ðóññêîé ïîýçèè”, î åå “çîëîòîì” èëè “ñåðåáðÿíîì âåêå” – ìíå ñòàíîâèòñÿ ñìåøíî. “Ðóññêîé ïîýçèè” íåò, êàê íåò “ðóññêîãî ðîêà”.  | 
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                                         Âðåìÿ: 14.02.2018 19:42  | 
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>>>Äåíü ïîáåäû – çàìåíèòü äíåì ñêîðáè î æåðòâàõ >>Â êàêîé ñòðàíå ñóùåñòâóåò òàêîå íàçâàíèå? >Âîò îäèí èç ïðèìåðîâ >https://ukranews.com/news/191472-lvovskyy-gorsove t -obyavyl-8-9-maya-dnyamy-traur...a-dnyamy-traura Ëüâîâ- ýòî êàêàÿ-òî ñòðàíà?  | 
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                                         Âðåìÿ: 14.02.2018 19:52  | 
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 olirup , 1  Ðîññèè èòîãè 2-é ìèðîâîé íå áóäóò ïåðåñìàòðèâàòüñÿ, âñå ïðî÷èå áåç ñîãëàñèÿ Ðîññèè òîæå ýòîãî ñäåëàòü íå ñìîãóò, ïîõíû÷óò â òðÿïî÷êó è óòðóòñÿ   2 Âîéíà ñ Ôèíëÿíäèåé - Ñóùåñòâîâàëà ïðîáëåìà çàùèòû Ëåíèíãðàäà, ãðàíèöà ïðîõîäèëà âñåãî â 32 êì, ôèííû ìîãëè îáñòðåëèâàòü ãîðîä òÿæ¸ëîé àðòèëëåðèåé. Õåëüñèíêè æå íå õîòåëè ðåøèòü âàæíåéøèé äëÿ ÑÑÑÐ âîïðîñ äèïëîìàòè÷åñêèì ïóò¸ì. Ìîñêâà ïðåäëàãàëà îáìåí òåððèòîðèÿìè, äîãîâîð î âçàèìîïîìîùè, ñîâìåñòíóþ îáîðîíó Ôèíñêîãî çàëèâà, ïðîäàòü ÷àñòü òåððèòîðèè äëÿ âîåííîé áàçû èëè ñäàòü â àðåíäó. Íî Õåëüñèíêè íå ïðèíÿëè íè îäíîãî âàðèàíòà. Õîòÿ íàèáîëåå äàëüíîâèäíûå äåÿòåëè, íàïðèìåð, Êàðë Ìàííåðãåéì, ïîíèìàëè ñòðàòåãè÷åñêóþ íåîáõîäèìîñòü òðåáîâàíèé Ìîñêâû. Ìàííåðãåéì ïðåäëàãàë îòîäâèíóòü ãðàíèöó îò Ëåíèíãðàäà è ïîëó÷èòü õîðîøóþ êîìïåíñàöèþ, è ïðåäëîæèòü îñòðîâ Þññàð¸ ïîä ñîâåòñêóþ âîåííî-ìîðñêóþ áàçó. 3 Ïðî äðóæáó ñ «Ãèòëåðîì» íè÷åãî íå çíàþ, áûë îáû÷íûé äèïëîìàòè÷åñêèé ïîêåð   4 Êðûì íå áûë àííåêñèðîâàí –òàì ïðîøåë ðåôåðåíäóì è ïîñëå íåãî – âñòóïëåíèå â ÐÔ. Âîïðîñ çàêðûò 5 Íåçàêîííî ðåïðåññèðîâàííûå áûëè îïðàâäàíû è âîññòàíîâëåíû â ïðàâàõ. 6 Ïðîäîëæåíèåì Ãðàæäàíñêîé ÂÎÂ, êîíå÷íî, íå áûëà, ïðåäàòåëåé è êîëëàáîðàöèîíèñòîââî âñå âðåìåíà ó âñåõ íàðîäîâ íàõîäèëîñü â èçáûòêå. 7 Ìîæåøü íå ÷òèòü, âûáîð òâîé. Íî ñõîæèõ ïðåñòóïëåíèé íå áûëî – â ÑÑÑÐ (êàê ìèíèìóì) íå æãëè â ïå÷àõ åâðååâ, êàê ýòî äåëàë ðåæèì Ãèëåðà.  | 
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My Studio album (91) https://w1.musify.club/release/michael-brondsted-uniquely-best-1991-1307679 Ìîé Þòóá https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCYiAjs_SXgMnifJenjL_sxA Ìîé Ðóòóá https://rutube.ru/channel/24949156/videos  | 
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>Äàé Áîã, õîòü íà îäèí èç ýòèõ âîïðîñîâ ïîëó÷èòü îòâåò îò "èâàíóøåê" äëÿ "àëåíóøåê" åñòü èñòîðè÷åñêèå êíèãè, èâàíóøêè îòâå÷àòü íå îáÿçàíû, âñå óæå íàïèñàíî.   > Óêðàèíå 8 ìàÿ - äåíü ïàìÿòè è ñêîðáè, 9 ìàÿ - äåíü ïîáåäû. òàì, ÷òî íè äåíü, òî ïðàçäíèê.   >Âîò îáúåêòèâíûå ïðè÷èíû äëÿ ïåðåñìîòðà ó íàñ: ˸íÿ, ïåðåñìîòðè ëó÷øå êàêîé ðóêîé òû æ..ó ïîäòèðàåøü, à íå âûñàñûâàé âñÿêóþ øíÿãó èç ïàëüöà.  
                                        
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                                         Âðåìÿ: 14.02.2018 19:57  | 
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>ìîæíî áåç ñòðåëîê íà Óêðàèíó - ÷òî Çàïàä ïåðåñìàòðèâàåò? Óðinn , êàêèå ñòðåëêè, ÿ íå çíàþ, ÷òî è êòî òàì ïåðåñìàòðèâàåò, ÿ, òàê æå êàê è òû, ïîä îäåÿëîì. À íà âîïðîñ: "çà÷åì è ïî÷åìó" ÿ îòâåòèë.  
                                        
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                                         Âðåìÿ: 14.02.2018 20:14  | 
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>äëÿ "àëåíóøåê" åñòü èñòîðè÷åñêèå êíèãè Ìîãó ïîñïîðèòü: ÿ èõ ïðî÷èòàë áîëüøå, ÷åì òû. Òàê ÷òî íå ó÷è ó÷èòåëÿ))  | 
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 Ñàìîñòîÿòåëüíî ïðèéòè ê Áîãó - âñå ðàâíî, ÷òî ãëóõîíåìîìó ñòàòü âåëèêèì êîìïîçèòîðîì. 
Êîãäà ãîâîðÿò î “ðóññêîé ïîýçèè”, î åå “çîëîòîì” èëè “ñåðåáðÿíîì âåêå” – ìíå ñòàíîâèòñÿ ñìåøíî. “Ðóññêîé ïîýçèè” íåò, êàê íåò “ðóññêîãî ðîêà”.  | 
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>Ìîãó ïîñïîðèòü: ÿ èõ ïðî÷èòàë áîëüøå, ÷åì òû ïîñïîðü, ãëàâíîå íå îñòàíàâëèâàéñÿ.  
                                        
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                                         Âðåìÿ: 14.02.2018 20:22  | 
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 olirup ,    >Ìîãó ïîñïîðèòü: ÿ èõ ïðî÷èòàë áîëüøå, ÷åì òû. Òàê ÷òî íå ó÷è ó÷èòåëÿ)) èñàè÷à  | 
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                                         Âðåìÿ: 14.02.2018 21:00  | 
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"Ïåðåñìîòð èòîãîâ Âòîðîé ìèðîâîé – îäèí èç èíñòðóìåíòîâ áîðüáû ñ Ðîññèåé" – ñ÷èòàåò âåäóùèé ýêñïåðò Öåíòðà âîåííî-ïîëèòè÷åñêèõ èññëåäîâàíèé ÌÃÈÌÎ, äîêòîð ïîëèòè÷åñêèõ íàóê Ìèõàèë Àëåêñàíäðîâ. Îáùèé ìîòèâ «ïåñíîïåíèé íàøèõ ïàðòíåðîâ» òàêîâ – äåñêàòü, çà 70 ëåò ìèð íåîáðàòèìî èçìåíèëñÿ, ïðåæíèå äîãîâîðåííîñòè è çàñëóãè ïåðåñòàëè èìåòü çíà÷åíèå, à çíà÷èò – ïîðà îáíóëèòü îòíîøåíèÿ è âûñòðîèòü èõ ïî íîâûì ïðàâèëàì, â êîòîðûõ Ðîññèè áóäåò îòâåäåíà ìèíèìàëüíàÿ ãåîïîëèòè÷åñêàÿ ðîëü. Àãà, ùàñ, êîãäà ñâèíüÿ â æåëòûõ øëåïàíöàõ íà ãðóøó âñêàðàáêàåòñÿ   – èñòîðèþ ïèøóò ïîáåäèòåëè, äðåâíÿÿ èñòèíà  | 
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 Ìîé ÂÊ  https://vk.com/brendsted 
My Studio album (91) https://w1.musify.club/release/michael-brondsted-uniquely-best-1991-1307679 Ìîé Þòóá https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCYiAjs_SXgMnifJenjL_sxA Ìîé Ðóòóá https://rutube.ru/channel/24949156/videos  | 
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                                         Òåìà: Re: Ïî÷åìó Çàïàä ïûòàåòñÿ ïåðåñìîòðåòü èòîãè Âòîðîé Ìèðîâîé âîéíû?
                                        
                                         Âðåìÿ: 14.02.2018 21:07  | 
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>Îáùèé ìîòèâ «ïåñíîïåíèé íàøèõ ïàðòíåðîâ» òàêîâ – äåñêàòü, çà 70 ëåò ìèð íåîáðàòèìî èçìåíèëñÿ, ïðåæíèå äîãîâîðåííîñòè è çàñëóãè ïåðåñòàëè èìåòü çíà÷åíèå, à çíà÷èò – ïîðà îáíóëèòü îòíîøåíèÿ è âûñòðîèòü èõ ïî íîâûì ïðàâèëàì, â êîòîðûõ Ðîññèè áóäåò îòâåäåíà ìèíèìàëüíàÿ ãåîïîëèòè÷åñêàÿ ðîëü. èìåííî òàê...è âñå ïåðåñìîòðÿò...íó à íàì ïðèäåòñÿ ïîñûëàòü íàõ. èëè âïàäàòüâ ìåëîäðàìàòèçì..-áåñïîùàäíûé è àáñóðäíûé.  | 
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                                         Òåìà: Re: Ïî÷åìó Çàïàä ïûòàåòñÿ ïåðåñìîòðåòü èòîãè Âòîðîé Ìèðîâîé âîéíû?
                                        
                                         Âðåìÿ: 14.02.2018 21:12  | 
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>Àãà, ùàñ, êîãäà ñâèíüÿ â æåëòûõ øëåïàíöàõ íà ãðóøó âñêàðàáêàåòñÿ   – èñòîðèþ ïèøóò ïîáåäèòåëè, äðåâíÿÿ èñòèíà âñå âåðíî...íî..ìû ùàñ íå â ðàíãå ïîáåäèòåëåé...è ÿ íå óâåðåí â áóäóùåì...  | 
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                                         Òåìà: Re: Ïî÷åìó Çàïàä ïûòàåòñÿ ïåðåñìîòðåòü èòîãè Âòîðîé Ìèðîâîé âîéíû?
                                        
                                         Âðåìÿ: 14.02.2018 21:23  | 
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                                    òû óâåðåí, Ìàéêë, ÷òî ÷åðåç 6-12 ëåò íàéäåòñÿ àäåêâàòíûé *õîçÿèí* Ðîññèè...çàëîã ñòàáèëüíîñòè Çàïàäíûõ ñòðàí----æåëåçîáåòîííûå ðîäîâûå áàáêè è óðîâåíü æèçíè..ó íàñ æå ïåðåîöåíèâàþò èäåîëîãèþ êàê ñòàáèëüíîñòü..â óùåðá ìíîãîãî..à ÷òî òàêîå 6-12 ëåò...è î÷åíü ìíîãî è íè÷òî..à çàïðîñ íà *îäíîãî åäèíñòâåííîãî íåñìåíÿåìîãî ëèäåðà*( ïî òèïó ìîíàðõèè)---î÷åíü ñèëåí, íî â òîæå âðåìÿ ó íàñ íå ìîíàðõèÿ...è äàæå ãåíñåêîâ óæå íåò...êîí÷èòñÿ òî ìîæåò î÷åíü ïëîõî, ïðè îòñóòñòâèè âíÿòíîé ïåðåäà÷è âëàñòè..--óìðåò Ïóòèí---è âñå)))---------ïåðåñìîòðÿò â íàøèõ ó÷åáíèêàõ âñå ÷òî óãîäíî..âìåñòî îäíîé ïîëóïðàâäû íàïèøóò äðóãóþ ïîëóïðàâäó- ýòî íå ñëîæíî))) | |
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                                         Òåìà: Re: Ïî÷åìó Çàïàä ïûòàåòñÿ ïåðåñìîòðåòü èòîãè Âòîðîé Ìèðîâîé âîéíû?
                                        
                                         Âðåìÿ: 14.02.2018 21:39  | 
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>>Àãà, ùàñ, êîãäà ñâèíüÿ â æåëòûõ øëåïàíöàõ íà ãðóøó âñêàðàáêàåòñÿ  – èñòîðèþ ïèøóò ïîáåäèòåëè, äðåâíÿÿ èñòèíà  >âñå âåðíî...íî..ìû ùàñ íå â ðàíãå ïîáåäèòåëåé...è ÿ íå óâåðåí â áóäóùåì... À êòî â ñèëàõ îñïîðèòü ïîáåäó ÑÑÑÐ íàä ðåéõîì? È ïðàçíîâàòü ýòó ïîáåäó â Ðîññèè áóäóò âñåãäà. Âîí, åâðåè óæå íå îäíó òûñÿ÷ó ëåò ïðàçäíóþò Õàíóêó – èçãíàíèå ãðåêî-ñèðèéñêèõ âîéñê Ó ðîññèÿí èñòîðè÷åñêàÿ ïàìÿòü íå õóæå  | 
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 Ìîé ÂÊ  https://vk.com/brendsted 
My Studio album (91) https://w1.musify.club/release/michael-brondsted-uniquely-best-1991-1307679 Ìîé Þòóá https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCYiAjs_SXgMnifJenjL_sxA Ìîé Ðóòóá https://rutube.ru/channel/24949156/videos  | 
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