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Автор: Sean
Тема: Re: CS 0020 - Shamray Custom Shop "BULLSEYE" for Sean Adamson (Scotland)
Can the neck be unfinished please Michael.
Автор: Michael_Walker
Тема: Re: CS 0020 - Shamray Custom Shop "BULLSEYE" for Sean Adamson (Scotland)
Unfinished, as in RAW MAPLE?? That is extremely NOT recommended! Such a neck will get dirty in days, become permanently stained, and actually begin to DECAY in a matter of weeks. The oils and acids in your skin are NOT kind to raw maple!!!
We could do a thin layer of clear lacquer, and then buff it out to a Satin finish, which will feel pretty close to raw wood. That would be my recommendation if you are looking for a "raw' neck...
Oil finish is "do-able", but it really doesnt give long-term protection for maple, so i advise against it. (I want to see our guitars last for 200 years, not for two years!)
We could do a thin layer of clear lacquer, and then buff it out to a Satin finish, which will feel pretty close to raw wood. That would be my recommendation if you are looking for a "raw' neck...
Oil finish is "do-able", but it really doesnt give long-term protection for maple, so i advise against it. (I want to see our guitars last for 200 years, not for two years!)
Автор: Sean
Тема: Re: CS 0020 - Shamray Custom Shop "BULLSEYE" for Sean Adamson (Scotland)
Ok dokey, put a thin coat of laquer on the neck the buff it.
Автор: Aleksandr Shamray
Тема: Re: CS 0020 - Shamray Custom Shop "BULLSEYE" for Sean Adamson (Scotland)
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Автор: Hardy
Тема: Re: CS 0020 - Shamray Custom Shop "BULLSEYE" for Sean Adamson (Scotland)
Unfinished neck = warping = bad. Warped necks make me sad
Автор: Wimlex
Тема: Re: CS 0020 - Shamray Custom Shop "BULLSEYE" for Sean Adamson (Scotland)
that's bull 
You think a layer of finish will stop a neck from warping? Hahaha 
Shamray, you guys really are master crafters!!! I'm very impressed with all your works.
You think a layer of finish will stop a neck from warping? Hahaha Shamray, you guys really are master crafters!!! I'm very impressed with all your works.
Автор: Aleksandr Shamray
Тема: Re: CS 0020 - Shamray Custom Shop "BULLSEYE" for Sean Adamson (Scotland)
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Автор: Aleksandr Shamray
Тема: Re: CS 0020 - Shamray Custom Shop "BULLSEYE" for Sean Adamson (Scotland)
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Автор: Aleksandr Shamray
Тема: Re: CS 0020 - Shamray Custom Shop "BULLSEYE" for Sean Adamson (Scotland)
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Автор: The Mars Volta
Тема: Re: CS 0020 - Shamray Custom Shop "BULLSEYE" for Sean Adamson (Scotland)
i think the finishing has not much to do with warping or something, but anyway, i played an epiphone zakk wylde les paul a couple of days ago, and the neck is also not unfinished but has a thin satin finish on it
Автор: Luke
Тема: Re: CS 0020 - Shamray Custom Shop "BULLSEYE" for Sean Adamson (Scotland)
The finishing has lots to do with warping-i think its the oils from your hands? Summat like that? Whatever it is, if you want an unfinished neck you need a veneer, i think it is? Then again, i dont know much!
Ooo, actually, just found this on the Warmoth website--
"We understand the attraction of raw or lightly oiled necks. They feel fast and are not sticky. Unfortunately, they are much more susceptible to moisture related warping and twisting. Our experience is that hard finished necks seldom warp. Less than 1 out of 200 (0.5%) are returned for warpage. Raw or oiled necks don't fare as well. About 10% are rendered useless from the torture. The more acidic your perspiration, the higher the odds are against you."
May not like their stuff, but they prolly know what they're on about? That plus the knowledge of the Shamray team that its a bad idea=i reckon I'm with them!
Ooo, actually, just found this on the Warmoth website--
"We understand the attraction of raw or lightly oiled necks. They feel fast and are not sticky. Unfortunately, they are much more susceptible to moisture related warping and twisting. Our experience is that hard finished necks seldom warp. Less than 1 out of 200 (0.5%) are returned for warpage. Raw or oiled necks don't fare as well. About 10% are rendered useless from the torture. The more acidic your perspiration, the higher the odds are against you."
May not like their stuff, but they prolly know what they're on about? That plus the knowledge of the Shamray team that its a bad idea=i reckon I'm with them!
Автор: The Mars Volta
Тема: Re: CS 0020 - Shamray Custom Shop "BULLSEYE" for Sean Adamson (Scotland)
what about Warwick Basses ? nearly every Warwick Bass has an oil finish?
Автор: Luke
Тема: Re: CS 0020 - Shamray Custom Shop "BULLSEYE" for Sean Adamson (Scotland)
Oil is a very short term finish-it will "wear off" quite quickly. Its like oiling furniture that gets used lots and lots, you have to redo it, i think. Anyway, so what if Warwick basses have oil finishes-thats still 2 to 1
Автор: Michael_Walker
Тема: Re: CS 0020 - Shamray Custom Shop "BULLSEYE" for Sean Adamson (Scotland)
Warwick bass necks are not made of MAPLE... many woods are OK to use with an oil finish, (such as the Wenge and Bubinga utilized in most Warwick basses) because such woods have a high natural oil content. Maple has virtually NO oil content, and thus is 'thirsty' to absorb the oils (and acids) from your skin... which hasten its demise. And warping WILL occur once the wood has decayed sufficiently!
As it happens, Sean went with a gold lacquer finish on the back of the neck, (see pic previous page) so its kind of a moot point anyhow
As it happens, Sean went with a gold lacquer finish on the back of the neck, (see pic previous page) so its kind of a moot point anyhow
Автор: Aleksandr Shamray
Тема: Re: CS 0020 - Shamray Custom Shop "BULLSEYE" for Sean Adamson (Scotland)
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Автор: Sean Adamson
Тема: Re: CS 0020 - Shamray Custom Shop "BULLSEYE" for Sean Adamson (Scotland)
Hey, is it ok if I get 11 guage strings rather
than 9's?
than 9's?
Автор: Michael_Walker
Тема: Re: CS 0020 - Shamray Custom Shop "BULLSEYE" for Sean Adamson (Scotland)
its OK ( we havent cut the nut yet!)
new pics coming your way in an hour ( check yer email...)
new pics coming your way in an hour ( check yer email...)
Автор: Michael_Walker
Тема: Re: CS 0020 - Shamray Custom Shop "BULLSEYE" for Sean Adamson (Scotland)
Sean - yer hotmail is FULL (bounced back!) maybe you should get a 100Meg yahoo mail account? i sent pics to yer other email anyway, hope they get through! (let me know if they dont...)
Автор: Sean Adamson
Тема: Re: CS 0020 - Shamray Custom Shop "BULLSEYE" for Sean Adamson (Scotland)
Ok Michael, can you resend them to my hotmail
account? I deleted all the stupid junk I get
forced upon me by those damn porn companies.
account? I deleted all the stupid junk I get
forced upon me by those damn porn companies.
Автор: Sean Adamson
Тема: Re: CS 0020 - Shamray Custom Shop "BULLSEYE" for Sean Adamson (Scotland)
Actually you don't need to resend the email, my other account which you sent it to works fine.
Автор: Michael_Walker
Тема: Re: CS 0020 - Shamray Custom Shop "BULLSEYE" for Sean Adamson (Scotland)
OK - more pics coming in about an hour 
Автор: Aleksandr Shamray
Тема: Re: CS 0020 - Shamray Custom Shop "BULLSEYE" for Sean Adamson (Scotland)
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Автор: Sean Adamson
Тема: Re: CS 0020 - Shamray Custom Shop "BULLSEYE" for Sean Adamson (Scotland)
How is my guitar coming along?
Автор: Michael_Walker
Тема: Re: CS 0020 - Shamray Custom Shop "BULLSEYE" for Sean Adamson (Scotland)
I saw it on Sushkov's bench today, it was getting some final hand-polishing ( with ultra-fine polishing compound) - check your email for pics in about an hour...)
Автор: Sean Adamson
Тема: Re: CS 0020 - Shamray Custom Shop "BULLSEYE" for Sean Adamson (Scotland)
Approximately how long do you think it will take to fit the pickups and the hardware?
Автор: Michael_Walker
Тема: Re: CS 0020 - Shamray Custom Shop "BULLSEYE" for Sean Adamson (Scotland)
my guess at shipping date is july 7-9th - Shamray is out of town til then, so no guitars can ship earlier than that...
Автор: booze4free
Тема: Re: CS 0020 - Shamray Custom Shop "BULLSEYE" for Sean Adamson (Scotland)
Sean, take care about those things Zakk uses instead of regular straplocks! Unfortunately, I don't have any pictures right now, but the ones I've seen in Classic Rock magazine was very cool, IMHO. Don't foget to get'em if you want good replica, hehe
btw, Good Axe, man
btw, Good Axe, man
Автор: совеччикк
Тема: Re: CS 0020 - Shamray Custom Shop "BULLSEYE" for Sean Adamson (Scotland)
booze4free
d'you mean this?
http://www.mfnrocks.com/images/zakk3.jpg
http://www.gitaraibas.com.pl/images/zakk8.jpg
Автор: Michael_Walker
Тема: Re: CS 0020 - Shamray Custom Shop "BULLSEYE" for Sean Adamson (Scotland)
that kind of strap-attachment hardware (large screw-eyes) isnt exclusive to Zakk, i remember a band back in 1977 that mutilated all of their les pauls like that...
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Автор: HACK
Тема: Re: CS 0020 - Shamray Custom Shop "BULLSEYE" for Sean Adamson (Scotland)
EVH does that too and uses a chain dog leash as a strap. How painful. Ouch
Автор: booze4free
Тема: Re: CS 0020 - Shamray Custom Shop "BULLSEYE" for Sean Adamson (Scotland)
Yeah, that's what I mean
Автор: Sean
Тема: Re: CS 0020 - Shamray Custom Shop "BULLSEYE" for Sean Adamson (Scotland)
I think I'll just go with the regular strap holders. Although, sometime down the line I will probably modify it with the large screw eyes, so I can used one of those cool chain straps like the main man, Zakk Wydle.
Автор: HACK
Тема: Re: CS 0020 - Shamray Custom Shop "BULLSEYE" for Sean Adamson (Scotland)
you should get the large screw eyes. Then go to the hardware store and get one of those links like zakk has. If you modify it yourself, you might split the wood. If you have them do it, it would be done professionally. Plus, it will be stronger than straplocks and still serve the purpose of straplocks. The only bad thing is that it will add to the weight of the overall guitar because that link is heavy, plus zakk has a big chain going from his strap.
Автор: Skull Dragon
Тема: Re: CS 0020 - Shamray Custom Shop "BULLSEYE" for Sean Adamson (Scotland)
Pretty cool... Why did you opt for a rosewood fingerboard instead of ebony though?
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Автор: patrick
Тема: Re: CS 0020 - Shamray Custom Shop "BULLSEYE" for Sean Adamson (Scotland)
lol actualy i been wondering that also... but its a cool guitar as it is Zakk pwns!
Zakk pwns!
Автор: Sean
Тема: Re: CS 0020 - Shamray Custom Shop "BULLSEYE" for Sean Adamson (Scotland)
I prefer the feel of rosewood, plus my budget would not allow it. Hahaha
Автор: Sean
Тема: Re: CS 0020 - Shamray Custom Shop "BULLSEYE" for Sean Adamson (Scotland)
How is the the guitar coming along?
Have you started re-painting it yet?
Have you started re-painting it yet?
Автор: Aleksandr Shamray
Тема: Re: CS 0020 - Shamray Custom Shop "BULLSEYE" for Sean Adamson (Scotland)
Yes. Paintwork will be finished on next week.
Автор: Sean
Тема: Re: CS 0020 - Shamray Custom Shop "BULLSEYE" for Sean Adamson (Scotland)
Good, my parents are getting worried that I won't see my guitar soon. I told them that Shamray is just ensuring my guitar is as good as humanly possible.
Автор: Sean
Тема: Re: CS 0020 - Shamray Custom Shop "BULLSEYE" for Sean Adamson (Scotland)
Any news?