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>Íàïèñàë åìó ïèñüìî êñòàòå, ïîñìîòðèì ÷òî îí îòâåòèò áóäåò ðàññêàçûâàòü ïðî ìàðêåòèíãîâûå ôèøêè.. 
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>>Íàïèñàë åìó ïèñüìî êñòàòå, ïîñìîòðèì ÷òî îí îòâåòèò >áóäåò ðàññêàçûâàòü ïðî ìàðêåòèíãîâûå ôèøêè.. íó õîòü ìîæåò êîíêðåòíåé ÷åíèòü ñêàæåò 
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>íó õîòü ìîæåò êîíêðåòíåé ÷åíèòü ñêàæåò à ÷òî ñêàçàëè òâîè "ó÷îíûå"?? òû æ òèïà ñ êåì-òî òàì êîíñóëüòèðîâàëñÿ....  ÇÛ. ÿ íàäåþñü - òû æå íå òîëüêî ñ satix -îì êîíñóëüòèðóåøüñÿ....
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>Íàïèñàë åìó ïèñüìî êñòàòå, à òû îò ïàöàíîô ñ ôîðóìà ïðèâåò åìó ïåðåäàë??? 
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STEREO@MONO™ , ó÷îíûå äóìàþò  èáî òàê íà âñêèäêó ìåäü âñåãäà âî âñå ñòîðîíû âñ¸ îäèíàêîâî ïðîâîäèò
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>STEREO@MONO™ , ó÷îíûå äóìàþò èáî òàê íà âñêèäêó ìåäü âñåãäà âî âñå ñòîðîíû âñ¸ îäèíàêîâî ïðîâîäèò ïëîõî âñêèäûâàþò ó÷îíûå ....  íàäî ëó÷øå âñêèäûâàòü... 
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>>Íàïèñàë åìó ïèñüìî êñòàòå, >à òû îò ïàöàíîô ñ ôîðóìà ïðèâåò åìó ïåðåäàë??? ñêàçàë, ÷òî åñëè â Ðîññèþ ñîáåð¸òñÿ, ÷òîá áåç íàó÷íîãî îáîñíîâàíèÿ "íàïðàâëåííîñòè" äàæå íå äóìàë íà ëþäÿõ ïîÿâëÿòüñÿ. Ýòî ó íèõ òàì, â Ïåíäîñèè, ýâîëþöèþ â øêîëàõ ïðîõîäèòü çîïðåùàþò, à ó íàñ âñ¸ ÷îòêî - íå ÷èòàë Áàëüçàêà - ïî èáàëó íà-êà
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> à ó íàñ âñ¸ ÷îòêî - íå ÷èòàë Áàëüçàêà - ïî èáàëó íà-êà ó íàñ --- äàæå åñëè òû ÷èòàë Áàëüçàêà - ïî èïàëó ïîëþáîìó íà-êà
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Òåìà: Re: Evidence Lyric vs. Evidence Melody vs. ...?
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>vovox êàáåëü òîïîâûé - ñïîðó íåò.... íî îí ÷óòü ïðèïîäíèìàåò âåðõ è íèç .... òâîþæ äèâèçèþ , íàäîæ áûëî òàêîå íàïèñàòü... |
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>>vovox êàáåëü òîïîâûé - ñïîðó íåò.... íî îí ÷óòü ïðèïîäíèìàåò âåðõ è íèç .... >òâîþæ äèâèçèþ , íàäîæ áûëî òàêîå íàïèñàòü... íà ñàìîì äåëå ó âîâîêñ âñ¸ ïðîäóìàíî - â îäíó ñòîðîíó êàáåëü ñòàâèøü - âåðõà è íèçû ïðèïîäíèìàåò, à åñëè íàîáîðîò âîòêíóòü - ìèä áóñò âêëþ÷àåòñÿ
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>>vovox êàáåëü òîïîâûé - ñïîðó íåò.... íî îí ÷óòü ïðèïîäíèìàåò âåðõ è íèç .... >òâîþæ äèâèçèþ , íàäîæ áûëî òàêîå íàïèñàòü... à òû ñàì-òî â ðåàëèè ñðàâíèâàë, èëè òîêà íàøè ïîñòû çäåñü ÷èòàåøü?  ïîõîäó - åù¸ îäèí òðîëëü çàñêó÷àë ... òåïåðü âàñ òðîå |
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>ïîõîäó - åù¸ îäèí òðîëëü çàñêó÷àë ... >òåïåðü âàñ òðîå à òû òîãäà êòî? 
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>à òû òîãäà êòî? à ÿ òàê - ïîññàòü âûøåë......
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Òåìà: Re: Evidence Lyric vs. Evidence Melody vs. ...?
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>>>vovox êàáåëü òîïîâûé - ñïîðó íåò.... íî îí ÷óòü ïðèïîäíèìàåò âåðõ è íèç .... >>òâîþæ äèâèçèþ , íàäîæ áûëî òàêîå íàïèñàòü... >à òû ñàì-òî â ðåàëèè ñðàâíèâàë, èëè òîêà íàøè ïîñòû çäåñü ÷èòàåøü? >ïîõîäó - åù¸ îäèí òðîëëü çàñêó÷àë ... >òåïåðü âàñ òðîå ¸ïòûòü, äàê òûæ ïîõîäó èç ïàðòèè äîáåéñåðîâ ? 
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Philby , ÿ óæå ïîññàë .... ïðîäîëæåíèÿ íå áóäåò - ìîæåøü íå ñòàðàòüñÿ... òåì áîëåå - òû íå â òåìå.
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Òåìà: Re: Evidence Lyric vs. Evidence Melody vs. ...?
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>Philby , ÿ óæå ïîññàë .... ïðèìè ìîè ïîçäðàâëåíèÿ. |
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Òåìà: Re: Evidence Lyric vs. Evidence Melody vs. ...?
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>ïðèìè ìîè ïîçäðàâëåíèÿ.
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The Man From , òàì íàïèñàíî, ÷òî êàáåëü òåñòèðóþò íà íàïðàâëåííîñòü è òîëüêî ïîòîì èñõîäÿ èç íàïðàâëåííîñòè ðåøàþò êóäà ýêðàí ïàÿòü. | |
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Òåìà: Re: Evidence Lyric vs. Evidence Melody vs. ...?
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>>The Man From , òàì íàïèñàíî, ÷òî êàáåëü òåñòèðóþò íà íàïðàâëåííîñòü è òîëüêî ïîòîì èñõîäÿ èç íàïðàâëåííîñòè ðåøàþò êóäà ýêðàí ïàÿòü. >Îíè âèçóàëüíî ýòî äåëàþò èëè êàê? Èíòåðåñíî áûëî áû ïðîöåäóðó óçíàòü )) êàê òû îïðåäåëèøü âèçóàëüíî?? òèïà - íà ãëàç?? ...Íàâåðíî æ òàì åñòü êàêèå-òî ïðèáîðû äëÿ ýòîãî, òåõíîëîãèÿ îïðåäåëåíèÿ... Íå âñ¸ æå òàê ïðîñòî...
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>The Man From , òàì íàïèñàíî, ÷òî êàáåëü òåñòèðóþò íà íàïðàâëåííîñòü è òîëüêî ïîòîì èñõîäÿ èç íàïðàâëåííîñòè ðåøàþò êóäà ýêðàí ïàÿòü. Ñ òî÷êè çðåíèÿ ôèçè÷åñêèõ çàêîíîâ è çàêîíà Îìà â ÷àñòíîñòè ýòî ïîëíåéøèé áðåä. ß ãîâîðþ èñêëþ÷èòåëüíî îá îáû÷íûõ ïðîâîäíèêàõ. |
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Ìîñêâà American Standard Stratocaster 
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Äàéòå ìíå êóñîê øíóðà ýòîãî ÷òî-ëè, ðàäè ïðèêîëà ïîïðîøó ñâîèõ ìàòåðèàëîâåäîâ ïîñìîòðåòü íà íåãî â ìèêðîñêîïû ðàçíûå îïòè÷åñêèå è ýëåêòðîííûå è ñäåëàòü ïàðó ôîòîê
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> Äàéòå ìíå êóñîê øíóðà ýòîãî ÷òî-ëè, ðàäè ïðèêîëà ïîïðîøó ñâîèõ ìàòåðèàëîâåäîâ ïîñìîòðåòü íà íåãî â ìèêðîñêîïû ðàçíûå îïòè÷åñêèå è ýëåêòðîííûå è ñäåëàòü ïàðó ôîòîê ÷òî çíà÷èò - "äàéòå" ?? ïîéäè -- êóïè ..... è ñìîòðè íà íåãî â ìèêðîñêîïû ñêîêà õî÷åøü... åñëè òåáå ýòî ÎÎÎ÷åíü íóæíî
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Äà íå íàäî íè÷åãî ìåðÿòü, âñ¸ åñòü. Âîò íåïëîõàÿ ñòàòåéêà î âëèÿíèè ðàçìåðà çåðåí ìåäè, íàïðèìåð: Ãîâîðÿ ïðîñòî, íàäî î÷åíü õîðîøóþ àïïàðàòóðó, ÷òîáû çàìåòèòü äàæå ýòî. Î íàïðàâëåííîñòè öåëüíîòÿíóòîãî ïðîâîäà ðå÷è ïðîñòî íå èäåò. |
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òåìà î øíóðêàõ íà ñòîïèöîò ñòðàíèö äà òóò èñòèííûå öåíèòåëè êàê ïîãëÿæó 
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Rock-n-Roll ýòî æìóðü
 ß òâîðþ íåìîòèâèðîâàííûå àêòû êðàñîòû  Õåíäðèêñ ñäîõ à Êèðêîðîâ æèâ. Ïåë Ïðåñëè ñòîíàë Ëåïñ.. È Êîáåéí â õîõëîìå. Òàêèå âîò òâîð÷åñêèå âå÷åðà â Ïèòåðå.  êâàðòèðå ñ Âèäîì íà Êàçàíñêèé. (ñ) Time |
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Òîíè îòâåòèë  Hi Boris, Great to hear from you! On directionality: I realize audio is AC. Yet when I take any length of wire, string one for positive and one for negative between two plugs, and play music, and then reverse the direction, I hear a difference. For the sake of speed I usually use blues harmonica. It really has a way of exciting the inner ear one way more than the other when you change direction of the cable (shield lifted on both ends). One way there's just more "push" and crap riding on the already brash sound that it makes the ear canal start to shut down sooner. The other way it's just less... less. This same difference is what I hear over and over. Yes it is a very small difference, but people experience the same thing, and we all tend to agree “something” is going on here. Now, in addition to this experience there is the fact that copper develops a directional pattern when drawn to a small conductor size. The copper grains develop a "chevron" shape, which is clearly visible under a microscope. The shape is similar to these characters: ">>>>>" Some people (myself included) make a connection between what we hear and this physical, directional property of the copper conductors. For a look at some various grain structures from different processes, have a look here: I consider the possibility that perhaps when the grains align in one direction versus the other, on some level there may be a diode-rectification effect caused by the impurities between these grain boundaries, and as such the conductors exhibit better Radio Frequency rejection in one direction versus another. RF rejection can be emulated with the use of ferrite beads on cables, and using them to reduce RF (yes, in the MHz range) can have a similar audible effect. A little ferrite can be nice… too much starts to make things worse. Perhaps that’s just another can of worms. I also notice that the higher purity of the copper, the harder it can be to detect directionality, which supports some relation to impurities and how they might magnify/mitigate the effect. All I can do is offer my experiences which are supported by many people, and take the time to listen to my cable both directions and offer a preference. If I notice something that helps performance even just a tiny amount, I have to pay attention and include it, especially if it is free (listening to direction). That’s my thinking… probably not worth 2 cents but I’m crazy enough to spend some time wondering lol! Here for questions, Tony åñëè ÿ ïðàâèëüíî åãî ïîíÿë, òî îí ñàì íå âïîëíå îäóïëÿåò ýòî ÿâëåíèå â ïëàíå òåîðèè, îäíàêî â ìèêðîñòðóêòóðàõ ìåäè îáðàçóåòñÿ ÷òî-òî âðîäå äèîäíîãî ýôôåêòà, êîòîðûé ðèàëüíå óëó÷øàåò ïðîõîäèìîñòü ñèãíàëà â îäíó èç ñòîðîí, íî ïîêà ýòî âñ¸ ëèøü îïûòíûì ïóò¸ì óñòàíàâëèâàåò. êîðî÷å Praise thr Lord and his miracles 
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>åñëè ÿ ïðàâèëüíî åãî ïîíÿë, òî îí ñàì íå âïîëíå îäóïëÿåò ýòî ÿâëåíèå â ïëàíå òåîðèè îí îïÿòü íè÷åãî êîíêðåòíîãî íå ñêàçàë òðîëëü ïî÷èùå ãàðèêà, åé áîãó
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Sir FlyingV , îí î÷åíü îñòîðîæíî ïèñüìî ïîñòðîèë, ñîãëàñèñü Äàæå íå íàïèñàë, ÷òî ýôôåêò åñòü, à òî, ÷òî åìó è íåêîåé èíèöèàòèâíîé ãðóïïå êàæåòñÿ, ÷òî îí åñòü, à ýòî ñîâñåì íå îäíî è òîæå. Ìîëîäåö, êàê áû òî íè áûëî. Ïîýòîìó ÿ è ãîâîðþ, ÷òî ÷èñòûé òðîëëü  îòëè÷èå îò.
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Òåìà: Re: Evidence Lyric vs. Evidence Melody vs. ...?
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>satix , ÷åì ÷èùå ìåäü, òåì òîíüøå òðîëëèíã ýòî ïðàâäà æèçíè
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Òåìà: Re: Evidence Lyric vs. Evidence Melody vs. ...?
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>>òðîëëü ïî÷èùå ãàðèêà, ÿ òåáå òî÷íî óøè íàäåðó.....
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Òåìà: Re: Evidence Lyric vs. Evidence Melody vs. ...?
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Òåìà: Re: Evidence Lyric vs. Evidence Melody vs. ...?
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>>>òðîëëü ïî÷èùå ãàðèêà, >ÿ òåáå òî÷íî óøè íàäåðó..... â ÷¸ì ìîé "òðîëëèíã"?? â òîì, ÷òî ÿ ïåðåäàë ñëîâà Òîíè? ... ýòî íå òðîëëèíã... Òîíè ÷òî-òî òàì óâèäåë ïîä ìèêðîñêîïîì - îí ñ÷èòàåò, ÷òî ýòî ÿâëåíèå, - êîòîðîå îí íàáëþäàë, íî ïðè÷èíó ýòîãî ÿâëåíèÿ òîëêîì îáúÿñíèòü ñàì íå ìîæåò, - èìååò âàæíîå çíà÷åíèå äëÿ êàáåëÿ. ... Êòî-òî ìîæåò ñ÷èòàòü, ÷òî ýòî ÿâëåíèå ÍÅ èìååò âàæíîãî çíà÷åíèÿ äëÿ êàáåëÿ. Çäåñü - âîïðîñ ñïîðíûé... Íî - êàê óòâåðæäàåò Òîíè - ýòî "ÿâëåíèå" èìååò ìåñòî áûòü. À ïðèäàâàòü çíà÷åíèå ýòîìó "ÿâëåíèþ" èëè íå ïðèäàâàòü çíà÷åíèÿ - äåëî êàæäîãî...Òàê â ÷¸ì æå "òðîëëèíã"??
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Òåìà: Re: Evidence Lyric vs. Evidence Melody vs. ...?
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Òåìà: Re: Evidence Lyric vs. Evidence Melody vs. ...?
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òîëïû ëåììèíãîâ íå ìîãóò îøèáàòüñÿ (c) 
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Òåìà: Re: Evidence Lyric vs. Evidence Melody vs. ...?
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ß áû íå êàñàëñÿ ýòîãî äàæå 20-òè ìåòðîâîé ïàëêîé (ñ) | |
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Òåìà: Re: Evidence Lyric vs. Evidence Melody vs. ...?
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