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Òåìà: ×òî òàêîå "êà÷åâàÿ ìóçûêà" ?
Âðåìÿ: 13.10.2008 17:52 |
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Ñàíêò-Ïåòåðáóðã Drums  
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Âñå çíàþò òàêîé òåðìèí êàê "êà÷", êàæäûé èç íàñ íàâåðíÿêà ïðîèçíîñèë ôðàçó òèïà "âîò ýòî êà÷åâàÿ ïåñíÿ" èëè "íå êà÷àåò". Íî ÷òî-òî ÿ ïðèõîæó ê âûâîäó, ÷òî íèêòî òîëêîì íå çíàåò ÷òî êîíêðåòíî îçíà÷àåò "êà÷". Èíòåðåñíî óñëûøàòü Âàøå ìíåíèå! Òîëüêî, ïëç, îòâåòîâ òèïà "ïîñëóøàé òàêîé-òî òðåê - îí ñóïåðêà÷åâûé" íå íàäî. Äàâàéòå ïîïðîáóåì íà ñëîâàõ ðàçîáðàòü ÷òî ýòî òàêîå, ïî÷åìó ãäå-òî îí åñòü, ãäå-òî íåò è êàê åãî äîáèòüñÿ! |
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Òåìà: Re: ×òî òàêîå "êà÷åâàÿ ìóçûêà" ?
Âðåìÿ: 13.10.2008 23:01 |
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Êîãäà òîëïà ïüÿíûõ ãîïíåãîâ ïðûãàåò íà êîíöåðòå/ìàøåò ïàòëàìè/îðåò â òàêò.  |
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Òåìà: Re: ×òî òàêîå "êà÷åâàÿ ìóçûêà" ?
Âðåìÿ: 14.10.2008 03:29 |
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Ìîæåò áûòü "êà÷" ýòî äîìîðîùåííûé àíàëîã òåðìèíà swing (êîëåáàíèå, êà÷àíèå)? |
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"îñòàíåòñÿ âîïðîñ î òîì, íàñêîëüêî àäåêâàòíî òîò èëè
èíîé ó÷àñòíèê ôîðóìà îöåíèâàåò ñâîé ðåçóëüòàò"(ñ) |
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Òåìà: Re: ×òî òàêîå "êà÷åâàÿ ìóçûêà" ?
Âðåìÿ: 15.10.2008 06:43 |
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Äíåïðîïåòðîâñê Nord Stage 
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Ýòî êîãäà õîðîøèå ìóçûêàíòû èãðàþò ìóçûêó íàñûùåííóþ "âêóñíûìè" ðèòìàìè ñ ïîíèìàíèåì ñâîåãî äåëà. Ñîçäàåì îòäåëüíóþ òåìó äëÿ îáñóæäåíèÿ òåðìèíà "âêóñíàÿ" ìóçûêà?  Ñâèíã ñâèíãîì, íî "êà÷" íàâåðíîå äàæå ÷àùå óïîòðåáëÿþò ñëóøàÿ ôàíê, øàôë... òà äàæå áîññà êà÷àåò...  |
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«Íóæíî ìíîãî âðåìåíè, ÷òîáû èãðàòü òàê, êàê òû ñàì» - Ìàéëç.
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Òåìà: Re: ×òî òàêîå "êà÷åâàÿ ìóçûêà" ?
Âðåìÿ: 15.10.2008 14:46 |
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> Ñâèíã ñâèíãîì, íî "êà÷" íàâåðíîå äàæå ÷àùå óïîòðåáëÿþò ñëóøàÿ ôàíê, øàôë... òà äàæå áîññà êà÷àåò... "êà÷" êà÷åì, íî êàê ýòî êà÷åñòâî ìóçûêè íàçûâàþò àíãëîÿçû÷íûå? |
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"îñòàíåòñÿ âîïðîñ î òîì, íàñêîëüêî àäåêâàòíî òîò èëè
èíîé ó÷àñòíèê ôîðóìà îöåíèâàåò ñâîé ðåçóëüòàò"(ñ) |
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Òåìà: Re: ×òî òàêîå "êà÷åâàÿ ìóçûêà" ?
Âðåìÿ: 15.10.2008 16:08 |
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Äíåïðîïåòðîâñê Nord Stage
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ñâèíã? íî ñâèíã ýòî ñâèíã, à êà÷ ýòî êà÷. ñëóøàÿ ôàíê àìåðèêàíåö íå ñêàæåò "Ñâèíã!". Ðàçâå ÷òî "Oh! It's FUNKY!". "Êà÷" ýòî óæå ìû ïðèäóìàëè. Ýòî íàøà ôîðìóëèðîâêà íå ïîíÿòíî ÷åãî, íî íå ñâèíãà. Òî÷íåå íå òîëüêî ñâèíãà. |
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«Íóæíî ìíîãî âðåìåíè, ÷òîáû èãðàòü òàê, êàê òû ñàì» - Ìàéëç.
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Òåìà: Re: ×òî òàêîå "êà÷åâàÿ ìóçûêà" ?
Âðåìÿ: 15.10.2008 16:57 |
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Áëþçîâàÿ áàëàëàéêà 
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Êà÷- íèêàêîé íå ñâèíã,íè÷åì åãî íå íàïîìèíàåò- äàæå ñâîèì çâó÷àíèåì. Âîò ïîñëóøàéòå ñíà÷àëà À òåïåðü ïîïðîáóéòå ïîä çàïèñü íàïåòü òåêñò,âñòàâëÿÿ êàæäûé ðàç âìåñòî swing - êà÷(Ñach?Catch?): sing, sing, sing, everybody start to sing like dee dee dee, bah bah bah dah Now you're singin with a swing sing sing sing everybody start to sing like dee dee dee, bah bah bah dah Now you're singin like everything. When the music goes around, everybody's gonna go to town. But here is one thing you should know Sing it high and sing it low. Oh, sing sing sing sing everybody start to sing like dee dee dee, bah bah bah dah Now you're singin with a real good swing!  |
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Òåìà: Re: ×òî òàêîå "êà÷åâàÿ ìóçûêà" ?
Âðåìÿ: 15.10.2008 17:12 |
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Áëþçîâàÿ áàëàëàéêà
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Åñëè ïåñíÿ ñëîæíàÿ,òî ìîæíî äîâîëüñòâîâàòüñÿ Ýëëèíãòîíîì: What good is melody? What good is music? If it ain�t possessing something sweet It ain�t the melody It ain�t the music There�s something else that makes this song complete (Bo dolled dolled do da...) It don�t mean a thing if it ain�t got that swing (do Do a Do ap... Well it don�t mean a thing all you got to do is sing It makes no difference if it�s sweet or hot Just give that rhythm ev-ry-thing you got YES It don�t mean a thing if it ain�t got that swing It don�t mean a thing It don�t mean a thing if it ain�t got that swing boy (Ba ba doo dah doo�) I said it don�t mean a thing and all you got to do is sing (La la la�) Now it makes no difference if it�s sweet or hot Just give that rhythm ev-ry-thing you got OHH It don�t mean a thing boy, if it ain�t got-a-that-a-swinga Doo Wap |
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Òåìà: Re: ×òî òàêîå "êà÷åâàÿ ìóçûêà" ?
Âðåìÿ: 15.10.2008 22:29 |
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äåðåâíÿ Äåðåâÿííûé Ìîñò áðÿêè, êðèêè 
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ÈÌÕÎ êà÷ ýòî ïîä÷åðêíóòûé ðèòì. Ïîä÷åðêíóòûå ñèëüíûå äîëè. Ïîëó÷àåòñÿ êîãäà ïî÷òè âñå èíñòðóìåíòû èãðàþò â ýòîì ðèòìå, íàïðèìåð áàðàáàí, áàñ è ðèòì ãèòàðà. Ïîñëóøàé ÐÀÒÌ è ñòàíåò ïîíÿòíî. |
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Òåìà: Re: ×òî òàêîå "êà÷åâàÿ ìóçûêà" ?
Âðåìÿ: 15.10.2008 22:49 |
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> "Êà÷" ýòî óæå ìû ïðèäóìàëè. Ýòî íàøà ôîðìóëèðîâêà íå ïîíÿòíî ÷åãî, íî íå ñâèíãà. Òî÷íåå íå òîëüêî ñâèíãà. > Êà÷- íèêàêîé íå ñâèíã,íè÷åì åãî íå íàïîìèíàåò- äàæå ñâîèì çâó÷àíèåì. Òàê êàêîâ îòâåò íà ýòî âîïðîñ?: > "êà÷" êà÷åì, íî êàê ýòî êà÷åñòâî ìóçûêè íàçûâàþò àíãëîÿçû÷íûå? |
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"îñòàíåòñÿ âîïðîñ î òîì, íàñêîëüêî àäåêâàòíî òîò èëè
èíîé ó÷àñòíèê ôîðóìà îöåíèâàåò ñâîé ðåçóëüòàò"(ñ) |
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Òåìà: Re: ×òî òàêîå "êà÷åâàÿ ìóçûêà" ?
Âðåìÿ: 15.10.2008 23:10 |
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Áëþçîâàÿ áàëàëàéêà
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Ëåãêàÿ ïðîáåæêà ïî èíåòó ïîêàçûâàåò,÷òî â "êà÷" êàæäûé âêëàäûâàåò ñâîé ñìûñë(â îòëè÷èå îò "ñâèíã").>Êà÷- ìîæåò áûòü äàæå ñîêðàùåíèå îò >êà÷åñòâî. |
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Òåìà: Re: ×òî òàêîå "êà÷åâàÿ ìóçûêà" ?
Âðåìÿ: 16.10.2008 01:36 |
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> ÷òî â "êà÷" êàæäûé âêëàäûâàåò ñâîé ñìûñë(â îòëè÷èå îò "ñâèíã"). Òîãäà ýòî äåëàåò íåâîçìîæíûì îáñóæäåíèå äàííîãî ÿâëåíèÿ. Íî, ÷òî èíòåðåñíî, õîòÿ êàæäûé âêëàäûâàåò ñâîé ñìûñë, íî ïî÷åìó-òî âñå åäèíîäóøíî ñêàçàëè, ÷òî ýòî íå ñâèíã (êîíå÷íî, ñâèíã - â øèðîêîì ñìûñëå, à íå â óçêî-ñòèëåâîì, òðèîëüíî-øàôôëîâîì). |
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"îñòàíåòñÿ âîïðîñ î òîì, íàñêîëüêî àäåêâàòíî òîò èëè
èíîé ó÷àñòíèê ôîðóìà îöåíèâàåò ñâîé ðåçóëüòàò"(ñ) |
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Òåìà: Re: ×òî òàêîå "êà÷åâàÿ ìóçûêà" ?
Âðåìÿ: 16.10.2008 03:46 |
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>íî ïî÷åìó-òî âñå åäèíîäóøíî ñêàçàëè, ÷òî ýòî íå ñâèíã ÿ òàê íå ãîâîðèë! ÿ âîò òàê ãîâîðèë: >"Êà÷" ýòî óæå ìû ïðèäóìàëè. Ýòî íàøà ôîðìóëèðîâêà íå ïîíÿòíî ÷åãî, íî íå ñâèíãà. Òî÷íåå íå òîëüêî ñâèíãà. >êàæäûé âêëàäûâàåò ñâîé ñìûñë ïîòîìó, ÷òî ýòî æàðãîí. >Òàê êàêîâ îòâåò íà ýòî âîïðîñ?: >> "êà÷" êà÷åì, íî êàê ýòî êà÷åñòâî ìóçûêè íàçûâàþò àíãëîÿçû÷íûå? Ïî äðóãîìó. Íå îáÿçàòåëüíî ó íèõ äîëæíî áûòü ñëîâî, êîòîðîå óïîòðåáëÿåòñÿ â òåõ æå ñëó÷àÿõ, ÷òî ó íàñ "êà÷". ß äóìàþ, ÷òî òàì ðàçíûå âàðèàöèè â çàâèñèìîñòè îò ñèòóàöèè èëè ìóçûêè, êîòîðàÿ "êà÷àåò". |
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«Íóæíî ìíîãî âðåìåíè, ÷òîáû èãðàòü òàê, êàê òû ñàì» - Ìàéëç.
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Òåìà: Re: ×òî òàêîå "êà÷åâàÿ ìóçûêà" ?
Âðåìÿ: 16.10.2008 14:28 |
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Ñàíêò-Ïåòåðáóðã Drums
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Òîãäà åùå âîïðîñ - ëþáóþ ìóçûêó ñûãðàòü ìîæíî êà÷åâî èëè íåêà÷åâî èëè íåò? òîáèøü âñå äåëî â àðàíæèðîâêå èëè â èñïîëíåíèè? |
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Òåìà: Re: ×òî òàêîå "êà÷åâàÿ ìóçûêà" ?
Âðåìÿ: 16.10.2008 20:32 |
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Äíåïðîïåòðîâñê Nord Stage
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>Òîãäà åùå âîïðîñ - ëþáóþ ìóçûêó ñûãðàòü ìîæíî êà÷åâî èëè íåêà÷åâî èëè íåò? Íåò. Íå ëþáóþ. Íàïðèìåð ýòþäû ×åðíè íå êà÷àþò. È ìíîãî ÷åãî åùå... >òîáèøü âñå äåëî â àðàíæèðîâêå èëè â èñïîëíåíèè? Äåëî ÒÎËÜÊÎ â èñïîëíåíèè.  òîì è ñîëü, ÷òî ìû ñëóøàåì çàïàäíûõ ôèðìà÷åé è óäèâëÿåìñÿ "Âîò ýòî êà÷åâî!!!". Óäèâëÿåìñÿ ïîòîìó ÷òî ñàìè òàê ñûãðàòü ýòó æå àðàíæèðîâêó íå ñìîãëè áû... Èñòî÷íèê êà÷à - èíòåðåñíûå ðèòìè÷åñêèå ôèãóðû è èõ âçàèìîäåéñòâèå (ñëàæåíàÿ èãðà êîìàíäû) + "öåïëÿþùèå" ìåëîäè÷åñêèå ëèíèè. Íó è îïÿòü æå ýòî âñå î÷åíü ïðèáëèçèòåëüíî... |
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«Íóæíî ìíîãî âðåìåíè, ÷òîáû èãðàòü òàê, êàê òû ñàì» - Ìàéëç.
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Òåìà: Re: ×òî òàêîå "êà÷åâàÿ ìóçûêà" ?
Âðåìÿ: 17.10.2008 02:11 |
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>  òîì è ñîëü, ÷òî ìû ñëóøàåì çàïàäíûõ ôèðìà÷åé è óäèâëÿåìñÿ "Âîò ýòî êà÷åâî!!!". Çàáàâíî, ÷òî îíè èãðàþò "êà÷åâî", íî íàçâàíèÿ ýòîìó ó íèõ, ïîëó÷àåòñÿ âðîäå êàê, íåò, à ìû íàçâàíèå ïðèäóìàëè, à "ñàìè òàê ñûãðàòü ýòó æå àðàíæèðîâêó íå ñìîãëè áû..." Âîò ñëóøàþ ñòóäèéíóþ "Mean Street" Âàí Õåéëåíà ñ Ëè Ðîòîì - "êà÷" ñóìàñøåäøèé (ðèòì, ýíåðãèÿ, äðàéâ, äâèæåíèå è òä). ( ) Ñëóøàþ òî æå ñàìîå â êîíöåðòíîé âåðñèè ñ ×åðîíè, íèêàêîãî êà÷à íå îùóùàþ... () Ìîæåò äåëî ïðîñòî â õîðîøåì ñòóäèéíîì ñâåäåíèè (ñ Ëè Ðîòîì) ïðîòèâ êîíöåðòíîé âåðñèè? Èëè ìîæåò äåëî â òîì, ÷òî Ëè Ðîò ñâèíãóåò ñî ñòðàøíîé ñèëîé, à ×åðîíè ïîåò ïðÿìîëèíåéíî? >(ñëàæåíàÿ èãðà êîìàíäû) "Ñëàæåíàÿ" - îò ñëîâà "ëàæà"? Äóìàþ, ÷òî - ñëàæåÍÍàÿ. Òîììè Ýììàíóýëü "êà÷àåò" îäèí çà öåëóþ êîìàíäó. )) > èíòåðåñíûå ðèòìè÷åñêèå ôèãóðû + "öåïëÿþùèå" ìåëîäè÷åñêèå ëèíèè. Åñëè "êà÷" çàëîæåí â ñàìîé êîìïîçèöèè è àðàíæèðîâêå êàê ðèòìè÷åñêîé âçàèìîäåéñòâèå ðàçëè÷íûõ ïàðòèé (ðàçóìååòñÿ ïîäðàçóìåâàåòñÿ ñîîòâåòñòâóþùåå èñïîëíåíèå), òî "îíè" íàçûâàþò ýòî ãðóâîì. Õîòÿ ýòî ñëîâî òàêæå èìåò ìíîãî çíà÷åíèé è òîëêóåòñÿ ïî ðàçíîìó: |
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"îñòàíåòñÿ âîïðîñ î òîì, íàñêîëüêî àäåêâàòíî òîò èëè
èíîé ó÷àñòíèê ôîðóìà îöåíèâàåò ñâîé ðåçóëüòàò"(ñ)
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Òåìà: Re: ×òî òàêîå "êà÷åâàÿ ìóçûêà" ?
Âðåìÿ: 17.10.2008 16:22 |
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Äíåïðîïåòðîâñê Nord Stage
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>Ñëóøàþ òî æå ñàìîå â êîíöåðòíîé âåðñèè ñ ×åðîíè, íèêàêîãî êà÷à íå îùóùàþ... Íó ðàçíîå áûâàåò... Èõ çíà÷èò òîæå íå êà÷àëî... >Ìîæåò äåëî ïðîñòî â õîðîøåì ñòóäèéíîì ñâåäåíèè (ñ Ëè Ðîòîì) ïðîòèâ êîíöåðòíîé âåðñèè? Íå â ñâåäåíèè, à ïðîñòî â õîðîøåì çâóêîâîì êîíòðîëå. Îíè ñëûøàëè ñåáÿ íîðìàëüíî, îò ýòîãî è èãðà íà óðîâíå. À íà êîíöåðòå çâóê ïëîõî âûñòàâèëè ìîæåò áûòü, âîò îíè Âàñ è íå çàêà÷àëè... >Äóìàþ, ÷òî - ñëàæåÍÍàÿ. Ìîæåò è òàê... >Òîììè Ýììàíóýëü "êà÷àåò" îäèí çà öåëóþ êîìàíäó. )) Î äà!! Îí êà÷îê!!! >Åñëè "êà÷" çàëîæåí â ñàìîé êîìïîçèöèè è àðàíæèðîâêå êàê ðèòìè÷åñêîé âçàèìîäåéñòâèå ðàçëè÷íûõ ïàðòèé (ðàçóìååòñÿ ïîäðàçóìåâàåòñÿ ñîîòâåòñòâóþùåå èñïîëíåíèå), òî "îíè" íàçûâàþò ýòî ãðóâîì. Âàðèàíò! Äóìàþ îäèí èç.. |
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«Íóæíî ìíîãî âðåìåíè, ÷òîáû èãðàòü òàê, êàê òû ñàì» - Ìàéëç.
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Òåìà: Re: ×òî òàêîå "êà÷åâàÿ ìóçûêà" ?
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Ïèòåð ãèòàðà 
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Âû íà÷èíàåòå èãðàòü, Âû äîëæíû ïîïûòàòüñÿ áûòü âîâðåìÿ ñ ðèòìîì. Ýòî ÿâëÿåòñÿ ñóùåñòâåííûì, èãðàÿ îðèãèíàëüíûé (áûñòðåå è ìåäëåííåå) âñå âðåìÿ nerving. Íå ïûòàéòåñü èãðàòü áûñòðî, åñëè Âû íå ìîæåòå èãðàòü ýòî ÷èñòûé. Îäíàêî, åñëè Âû - óëó÷øåíèå è ïðîïóñêàåòå âîëøåáñòâî âåëèêèõ õóäîæíèêîâ Áëþçà, õîòÿ Âàøà èãðà òâåðäà, Âû äîëæíû âîçäåéñòâîâàòü íà ñâîé âûáîð âðåìåíè ñíîâà. Îáû÷íî áàðàáàíùèê çàáîòèòñÿ î ðèòìå. Õîðîøèå áàðàáàíùèêè â ñîñòîÿíèè äîáàâèòü "ñèíêîïè÷åñêèå óäàðû", êîòîðûå âåëèêîëåïíî çâó÷àò. Ãèòàðèñòû ìîãóò ñäåëàòü ýòî, òàêæå - äîáàâëÿÿ ìàëåíüêóþ ïàóçó íåïîñðåäñòâåííî ïåðåä òåì, êàê ïðèìå÷àíèå ôàêòè÷åñêè íà÷èíàåòñÿ. Âñå îæèäàþò ïðèìå÷àíèå - ôàêòè÷åñêè ñëóøàíèå åãî - íî íåò íè îäíîãî. Êàê ðàç â òî ñàìîå âðåìÿ, êîãäà ìîçã çàìå÷àåò, ÷òî îí îòñóòñòâóåò, Âû äîëæíû èãðàòü åãî, ýòî âûïóñêàåò íàïðÿæåííîñòü è êàæåòñÿ íàñòîëüêî õîðîøèì. Áîëüøèíñòâî èãðîêîâ Áëþçà - âëàäåëåö ýòîé òåõíèêè: èãðà ïîçàäè óäàðà.  ïðèìåðå âûøå êîðíÿ îòìå÷àþò, ÷òî ìû ïîäõîäèì â ñàìîì íà÷àëå, õîðîøèé âûáîð - òîëüêî èãðàþò ýòî íåìíîãî "ñëèøêîì ïîçäíî"... Èçâèíèòå çà ïåðåâîä.Ìàøèííûé.Ïåðåâîä Êëýïòîíà. "Ïðèìå÷àíèå"- Ýòî ñêàæåì Çâóê.Íîòà. Ìåæäó çâóêàìè äîëæíû îùóùàòüñÿ ïàóçû.Ìîæíî ïîïðîáîâàòü .÷òîá ïîíÿòü íà àðïåäæèî. Èãðà ïîñëå äîëè.Ýôôåêò íåîæèäàííîñòè.Êà÷.Êîíôëèêò ìóçûêè è ìåòðà. Íàïðÿæåíèå. Ýòîãî ïî÷òè äîñòàòî÷íî.ÍÎ.... Äèíàìèêà. Íîòêè èãðàþòñÿ êàê óäàð ñîñåäà ëîêòåì.Õîòÿ ìîæíî è ìÿãêî èõ èçâëåêàòü. íî ïóëüñàöèÿ âíóòðè îñòðàÿ. Òîæå Âàðèàíò. |
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ãðàôèíÿ. à ïî÷åìó àðáóç íå êóøàåòå? äà íó èâî. òîëüêî óõè ïà÷êàåò.
Ãèòàðû èáàíåç. êàê êîñòþìû Àäèäàñ. Âûøå äàëüøå ñèëüíåå. íî à ìóçûêà ïîòîì. |
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Áëþçîâàÿ áàëàëàéêà
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2 time Âàø ïåðåâîä÷èê çàáûë ïðèíÿòü äíåâíóþ ïîðöèþ òàáëåòîê... |
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Äíåïðîïåòðîâñê Nord Stage
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Ýòîò ïåðåâîä÷èê åùå ïîëáåäû. Áûâàþò è ïîõóæå... À òåêñò ñìàõèâàåò íà ïîïûòêó îáüÿñíèòü íà ïàëüöàõ, ÷òî òàêîå áëþçîâàÿ ìàíåðà. |
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«Íóæíî ìíîãî âðåìåíè, ÷òîáû èãðàòü òàê, êàê òû ñàì» - Ìàéëç.
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Ïèòåð ãèòàðà
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>Ýòîò ïåðåâîä÷èê åùå ïîëáåäû. Áûâàþò è ïîõóæå... >À òåêñò ñìàõèâàåò íà ïîïûòêó îáüÿñíèòü íà ïàëüöàõ, ÷òî òàêîå áëþçîâàÿ ìàíåðà. Êðîìå êàê íà ïàëüöàõ íåêîòîðîå è íå îáúÿñíèòü.Ìîå ÈÕÌÎ. |
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ãðàôèíÿ. à ïî÷åìó àðáóç íå êóøàåòå? äà íó èâî. òîëüêî óõè ïà÷êàåò.
Ãèòàðû èáàíåç. êàê êîñòþìû Àäèäàñ. Âûøå äàëüøå ñèëüíåå. íî à ìóçûêà ïîòîì. |
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Ïèòåð ãèòàðà
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Ýòî ß ãäå-òî òàêóþ øóòêó ïðî÷èòàë. Ïðèõîäèò ïîñåòèòåëü â ðåñòîðàí.Òàì èãðàåò Áèã-áýíä. Îí ïîäçûâàåò îôèöèàíòà ê ñåáå è ñïðàøèâàåò. Íàñêîëüêî ïîçæå ìîæåò èãðàòü ñîëèñò. Òîò ïîäóìàâ îòâåòèë- íà öåëûé âàãîí. Øóòêà ïëîñêàÿ êîíå÷íî.Íî ... Ìîæíî è èç-çà òàêòà èãðàòü. íî ïðîáîâàòü ÷óòü ïîçæå áèòà. ×óâñòâî ýòî ïðèäåò. Òàê ñêàçàòü ñ ýòîãî íà÷èíàòü. |
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ãðàôèíÿ. à ïî÷åìó àðáóç íå êóøàåòå? äà íó èâî. òîëüêî óõè ïà÷êàåò.
Ãèòàðû èáàíåç. êàê êîñòþìû Àäèäàñ. Âûøå äàëüøå ñèëüíåå. íî à ìóçûêà ïîòîì. |
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Áëþçîâàÿ áàëàëàéêà
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>Ìîæíî è èç-çà òàêòà èãðàòü. íî ïðîáîâàòü ÷óòü ïîçæå áèòà. Î ïåâèöå Áèëëè Õîëèäýé ãîâîðèëè,÷òî îíà âñòóïàëà ñ ïåíèåì íàñòîëüêî ñ îïîçäàíèåì,÷òî ñïðàøèâàëîñü- çà÷åì âîîáùå íà÷èíàëà ïåòü |
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ÊÀÌÀÏÀ!!! fender strat mexico
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Ãîñïîäà, à ìîæåò ëè êòî íèáóäü, ïîìî÷ü ññûëêàìè íà êàêèå íèáóäü áîëåå ìåíåå àäåêâàòíûå èñòî÷íèêè, â êîòîðûõ áîëåå ìåíåå ïðîôåññèàíàëüíûì ÿçûêîì îáñóæäàþòñÿ âîò ýòè âîò ïðèâåäåííûå âûøå îñîáåííîñòè áëþçîâîãî ãðóâà? Âèäåî, êíèãè, åùå ÷òî íèáóäü... î÷åíü èíòåðåñíî. |
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Òîïèêñòàðòåð, îçíàêîìüñÿ ñ ñåìàíòèêîé òåðìèíà "ãðóâ" ("groove") - ýòî òî, î ÷¸ì òû è ãîâîðèøü.  |
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Ïèòåð ãèòàðà
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>Ãîñïîäà, à ìîæåò ëè êòî íèáóäü, ïîìî÷ü ññûëêàìè íà êàêèå íèáóäü áîëåå ìåíåå àäåêâàòíûå èñòî÷íèêè, â êîòîðûõ áîëåå ìåíåå ïðîôåññèàíàëüíûì ÿçûêîì îáñóæäàþòñÿ âîò ýòè âîò ïðèâåäåííûå âûøå îñîáåííîñòè áëþçîâîãî ãðóâà? Âèäåî, êíèãè, åùå ÷òî íèáóäü... î÷åíü èíòåðåñíî. Îíè âñå àíãëî. èëè íà åãî ïðîèçâîäíûõ. |
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ãðàôèíÿ. à ïî÷åìó àðáóç íå êóøàåòå? äà íó èâî. òîëüêî óõè ïà÷êàåò.
Ãèòàðû èáàíåç. êàê êîñòþìû Àäèäàñ. Âûøå äàëüøå ñèëüíåå. íî à ìóçûêà ïîòîì. |
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ÊÀÌÀÏÀ!!! fender strat mexico
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>>Ãîñïîäà, à ìîæåò ëè êòî íèáóäü, ïîìî÷ü ññûëêàìè íà êàêèå íèáóäü áîëåå ìåíåå àäåêâàòíûå èñòî÷íèêè, â êîòîðûõ áîëåå ìåíåå ïðîôåññèàíàëüíûì ÿçûêîì îáñóæäàþòñÿ âîò ýòè âîò ïðèâåäåííûå âûøå îñîáåííîñòè áëþçîâîãî ãðóâà? Âèäåî, êíèãè, åùå ÷òî íèáóäü... î÷åíü èíòåðåñíî. >Îíè âñå àíãëî. èëè íà åãî ïðîèçâîäíûõ. Äà ýòî ïîíÿòíî! Ýòî íîðìóëü! |
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Time, ó òåáÿ åñòü ÷òî íèáóäü? Ïðîñòî òû îòðûâîê èíòåðâüþ ïðèâåë è ÿ ïîäóìàë, ÷òî òû â òåìå è çíàåøü ãäå ÷òî íà ýòó òåìó ïî÷èòàòü. |
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Áëþçîâàÿ áàëàëàéêà
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À ÷òî ãîâîðèò Âèêèïåäèÿ: Ãðóâ – ïîíÿòèå àáñòðàêòíîå,ñîáèðàòåëüíîå;ïîýòîìó ñëîæíî åãî îïðåäåëèòü ñëîâàìè,õîòÿ îí ÿñåí òåì,êòî çàíèìàåòñÿ ãðóâîì.Ñ êîíöà 19 âåêà,êîãäà îñíîâàòåëè äæàçà ñòàëè ïîä÷åðêèâàòü "ðèòì" è"ôèë",íà÷àëè ïîëüçîâàòüñÿ ïîíÿòèåì "ãðóâ",è îí îòíîñèòñÿ êî âñåì âèäàì àôðî-àìåðèêàíñêîé ìóçûêè,à òàêæå è ê ïîïóëÿðíîé ìóçûêå – ôàíê,äèñêî,ðîê è ò.ä. Åñëè ðàññìàòðèâàòü ãðîâ ïðàêòè÷åñêè,òî ðå÷ü èä¸ò î ïîâòîðÿþùåìñÿ ñ íåêîòîðûìè âàðèàöèÿìè ïàòòåðíå- ÷òîáû ïåðåäàòü ðèòìè÷åñêîå îùóùåíèå: èíîãäà óñïîêîèòåëüíîå,èíîãäà ïîäñòåãèâàþùåå. áîëåå îòâëå÷åííîì ñìûñëå ãðóâ åñòü àòìîñôåðà èëè îùóùåíèå,êîòîðûå íàâåâàåò ðèòì-ñåêöèÿ;êîãäà îíà "ïîíèìàåò" ñìûñë èëè "÷óâñòâóåò" ìóçûêó,ýòè îùóùåíèÿ ïåðåäàþòñÿ ñëóøàòåëÿì è äðóãèì èñïîëíèòåëÿì.Ïðîôåññèîíàëüíûå ìóçûêàíòû ïîëüçóþòñÿ èíîãäà ýòèì òåðìèíîì, âêëàäûâàÿ 2 ñîâåðøåííî ðàçëè÷íûõ ñìûñëà:"Êàêîé çäåñü ïîðàçèòåëüíûé ãðóâ";ïîäðàçóìåâàÿ,÷òî â ýòîé ïüåñå çâó÷èò ïîðàçèòåëüíûé ðèòìè÷åñêèé îáîðîò(ðèôô) ; ëèáî ÷òî âñÿ ïüåñà ïåðåäàåò èíòåðåñíîå ðèòìè÷åñêîå îùóùåíèÿ,ïðèòÿãèâàþùåå è çàâîðàæèâàþùåå – èíîãäà äî ïîëíîãî îòóïåíèÿ. |
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NèêîëàéPEtrovi÷, èç êàêîé âèêèïåäèè âû ýòî âçÿëè? ×èòàéòå àíãëèéñêóþ âåðñèþ, òàì ëþäè áîëåå â òåìå: ) Groove is the sense of propulsive rhythmic "feel" or sense of "swing" created by the interaction of the music played by a band's rhythm section (drums, electric bass or double bass, guitar, and keyboards). The term is mainly used in the context of genres outside of Western art music, such as funk, rock music, power groove, fusion, and soul. While some musicians have called the concept of "groove" a subjective and elusive notion, they acknowledge that the concept is well-understood by experienced musicians at a practical, intuitive level. Funk and Latin musicians refer to "groove" as the sense of being "in the pocket", and jazz players refer to groove as the sense that a jam session is really "cooking" or "swinging." Musicologists and other scholars began to analyse the concept of "groove" in the 1990s. They have argued that a "groove" is an "understanding of rhythmic patterning" or "feel" and “an intuitive sense" of "a cycle in motion" that emerges from "carefully aligned concurrent rhythmic patterns" that sets in motion dancing or foot-tapping on the part of listeners. Description Musicians' perspectives Like the term "swing", which is used to describe a cohesive rhythmic "feel" in a jazz context, the concept of "groove" can be hard to define. Indeed, some dictionaries use the terms as synonyms: "Groovy...[d]enotes music that really swings."[1] Marc Sabatella's article Establishing The Groove argues that " groove is a completely subjective thing." He claims that "[o]ne person may think a given drummer has a great feel, while another person may think the same drummer sounds too stiff, and another may think he is too loose."[2] Similarly, a bass educator states that while "[g]roove is an elusive thing" it can be defined as "what makes the music breathe" and the "sense of motion in the context of a song."[3] In a musical context, general dictionaries define a groove as "a pronounced, enjoyable rhythm" or the act of "creat[ing], danc[ing] to, or enjoy[ing] rhythmic music." [4] [5] Steve Telehus explains the "groove" as the point in this sense when he defines it as a point in a song or performance when "even the people who can't dance wanna feel like dancing..." due to the effect of the music. Bernard Coquelet argues that the "groove is the way an experimented musician will play a rhythm compared with the way it is written (or would be written)" by playing slightly "before or after the beat." Coquelet claims that the "notion of groove actually has to do with aesthetics and style"; "groove is an artistic element, that is to say human,...and "it will evolve depending on the harmonic context, the place in the song, the sound of the musician's instrument, and, in interaction with the groove of the other musicians", which he calls "collective" groove."[6] Minute rhythmic variations by the bass can dramatically change the feel as a band plays a song, even for a simple singer-songwriter groove. [7] ============== è òàê äàëåå. "Groove is the sense of propulsive rhythmic "feel" or sense of "swing" created by the interaction of the music played by a band's rhythm section " Âîò ìû è âîçâðàùàåìñÿ ê òåìå ñâèíãà. |
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"îñòàíåòñÿ âîïðîñ î òîì, íàñêîëüêî àäåêâàòíî òîò èëè
èíîé ó÷àñòíèê ôîðóìà îöåíèâàåò ñâîé ðåçóëüòàò"(ñ) |
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Time, ìîæåøü õîòÿ á ññûëêó íà òó ñòàòüþ äàòü ñ êëýïòîíîì, ïîæàëñòà! |
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Ñàíêò-Ïåòåðáóðã Drums
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ò.å. ãðóâ = êà÷?  ìî¸ì ïðåäñòàâëåíèè ãðóâ áîëüøå îòíîñèòñÿ ê àðàíæèðîâêå, à êà÷ ê èñïîëíåíèþ. |
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>ò.å. ãðóâ = êà÷? > > ìî¸ì ïðåäñòàâëåíèè ãðóâ áîëüøå îòíîñèòñÿ ê àðàíæèðîâêå, à êà÷ ê èñïîëíåíèþ. Íó òàì æå íàïèñàíî, ÷òî äâà ïîíÿòèÿ çà ýòèì òåðìèíîì: îäèí ïðî îùóùåíèÿ (ìóçûêàíòà è ñëóøàòåëÿ), äðóãîé ïðî îáúåêòèâíóþ ñîñòàâëÿþùóþ, ðèòìè÷åñêèé ðèñóíîê. Âîáùå çàáàâíî... òî åñòü ïîëó÷àåòñÿ, ÷òî ãðóâ ìîæíî ñûãðàòü áåç ãðóâà À âîò íå ãðóâ ñ ãðóâîì ìîæíî ñûãðàòü?  |
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Ïèòåð ãèòàðà
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>>ò.å. ãðóâ = êà÷? >> >> ìî¸ì ïðåäñòàâëåíèè ãðóâ áîëüøå îòíîñèòñÿ ê àðàíæèðîâêå, à êà÷ ê èñïîëíåíèþ. > >Íó òàì æå íàïèñàíî, ÷òî äâà ïîíÿòèÿ çà ýòèì òåðìèíîì: îäèí ïðî îùóùåíèÿ (ìóçûêàíòà è ñëóøàòåëÿ), äðóãîé ïðî îáúåêòèâíóþ ñîñòàâëÿþùóþ, ðèòìè÷åñêèé ðèñóíîê. +1 > >Âîáùå çàáàâíî... òî åñòü ïîëó÷àåòñÿ, ÷òî ãðóâ ìîæíî ñûãðàòü áåç ãðóâà À âîò íå ãðóâ ñ ãðóâîì ìîæíî ñûãðàòü? |
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ãðàôèíÿ. à ïî÷åìó àðáóç íå êóøàåòå? äà íó èâî. òîëüêî óõè ïà÷êàåò.
Ãèòàðû èáàíåç. êàê êîñòþìû Àäèäàñ. Âûøå äàëüøå ñèëüíåå. íî à ìóçûêà ïîòîì. |
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Õîðîøî âûëîæó ññûëêè.. Íàäî ïîèñêàòü. Ìîæíî ïåðåâåñòè Ãðóâ êàê êàíâà.êîëåÿ.èòä è òï. Îí ñîâåðøåííî ðàçíûé. íàïðèìåð â áëþçå îäèí .  ðîêå äðóãîé.ïðÿìîé. " Deep Purple" íàïðèìåð.Ïðàâäà áûâàåò è áëþçîâûé " Guns N' Roses" È êàíâó ýòó íàäî ÷óâñòâîâàòü.Íàïðèìåð åñòü òàêîé òåðìèí -÷óâñòâî áëþçà.Ôðàçèðîâêà òîãäà ëîæèòñÿ ñàìà.Èãðàÿ ïðÿìîé ðîê íàäî ïåðåñòðîèòñÿ íà ÷åòíîñòü. Âîò ÷òî ïèøóò î Êëýïòîíå. "Ñåãîäíÿ âå÷åðîì ó ìåíÿ åñòü îäèí áèò, ÷òî ÿ äåëàþ - ÿ îáäóìàþ òî, ÷òî ÿ ñîáèðàþñü ñäåëàòü, êîãäà ýòî - ìîÿ î÷åðåäü. Íî Eric äàæå íå äóìàåò. Âñêî÷èòå íà íåãî â ëþáîå âðåìÿ, ñêàæèòå, 'Èäóò!' è îí âîçüìåò Âàñ ê äðóãîìó óðîâíþ. Òîãäà, åñëè Âû ñêàæåòå 'Åùå ðàç, òî ' îí âîçüìåò Âàñ åùå âûøå." - Andy Fairweather-Low, 2001 |
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ãðàôèíÿ. à ïî÷åìó àðáóç íå êóøàåòå? äà íó èâî. òîëüêî óõè ïà÷êàåò.
Ãèòàðû èáàíåç. êàê êîñòþìû Àäèäàñ. Âûøå äàëüøå ñèëüíåå. íî à ìóçûêà ïîòîì. |
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Ñåðãåé,  >Âîò ìû è âîçâðàùàåìñÿ ê òåìå ñâèíãà. Òàê èëè èíà÷å, ëèáî ñâèíã, ëèáî äðàéâ - êàê èñòî÷íèê. Íî ïîä "êà÷¸âîñòüþ" íûí÷å âñ¸ áîëåå è áîëåå ïîíèìàåòñÿ ãðóâ - >is an "understanding of rhythmic patterning" or "feel" and “an intuitive sense" of "a cycle in motion" that emerges from "carefully aligned concurrent rhythmic patterns" that sets in motion dancing or foot-tapping on the part of listeners. |
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> Ñåðãåé, > > >>Âîò ìû è âîçâðàùàåìñÿ ê òåìå ñâèíãà. > >Òàê èëè èíà÷å, ëèáî ñâèíã, ëèáî äðàéâ - êàê èñòî÷íèê. Íî ïîä "êà÷¸âîñòüþ" íûí÷å âñ¸ áîëåå è áîëåå ïîíèìàåòñÿ ãðóâ - > >>is an "understanding of rhythmic patterning" or "feel" and “an intuitive sense" of "a cycle in motion" that emerges from "carefully aligned concurrent rhythmic patterns" that sets in motion dancing or foot-tapping on the part of listeners. > > Ó òåðìèíà ñâèíã ìíîãî çíà÷åíèé â ìóçûêå. Âîò ñêàæåì òàêîå. Ñìîòðåòü ïðèìåðû ñ ñâèíãîì è áåç. |
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ãðàôèíÿ. à ïî÷åìó àðáóç íå êóøàåòå? äà íó èâî. òîëüêî óõè ïà÷êàåò.
Ãèòàðû èáàíåç. êàê êîñòþìû Àäèäàñ. Âûøå äàëüøå ñèëüíåå. íî à ìóçûêà ïîòîì. |
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ãðàôèíÿ. à ïî÷åìó àðáóç íå êóøàåòå? äà íó èâî. òîëüêî óõè ïà÷êàåò.
Ãèòàðû èáàíåç. êàê êîñòþìû Àäèäàñ. Âûøå äàëüøå ñèëüíåå. íî à ìóçûêà ïîòîì. |
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Òåìà: Re: ×òî òàêîå "êà÷åâàÿ ìóçûêà" ?
Âðåìÿ: 21.10.2008 19:02 |
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ß á ïîñîâåòûâàë. èçâèíèòå çà ñìåëîñòü. Ñíà÷àëî ïîïðîáîâàòü ïîèãðàòü ÷óòü ïîçæå äîëè. Äâèãàÿ ñâîé çâóê òóäà-ñþäà. Ïîòîì ìîæíî ïîñìîòðåòü âèäåî. Î÷åíü ïðîñòûå ôðàçû.Íî î÷åíü õðîøî ïåðåäàåò ôðàçèðîâêó. ×åðåç êîòîðóþ ìîæíî ïî÷óâñòâîâàòü ãðóâ. |
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ãðàôèíÿ. à ïî÷åìó àðáóç íå êóøàåòå? äà íó èâî. òîëüêî óõè ïà÷êàåò.
Ãèòàðû èáàíåç. êàê êîñòþìû Àäèäàñ. Âûøå äàëüøå ñèëüíåå. íî à ìóçûêà ïîòîì. |
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êà÷àåò? |
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"îñòàíåòñÿ âîïðîñ î òîì, íàñêîëüêî àäåêâàòíî òîò èëè
èíîé ó÷àñòíèê ôîðóìà îöåíèâàåò ñâîé ðåçóëüòàò"(ñ) |
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