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Òåìà: Re: Progressive Rock
Âðåìÿ: 03.10.2006 00:06 |
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Îäèíöîâî Áàðàáàíû/Ãèòàðà  
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Äà, ïóòàíèöà òóò ó âàñ â ïðîãå è àðòå. Âñå æå ÿ áû ðàçäåëèë äàííûå ïîíÿòèÿ. Àðò-ðîê óòâåðäèëñÿ êàê ñòèëü è êàê òåðìèí ðàíüøå ïðîãðåññèâ-ðîêà. ß äóìàþ, ðàçíèöà ìåæäó íèìè òàêàÿ: ó àðò-ðîêà íåò ãðàíèö â ìóçûêå, ñàì ñòèëü âûõîäèò çà ðàìêè ìóçûêè, î÷åíü ÷àñòî àðò-ðîêåðû óñòðàèâàëè ïðåäñòàâëåíèå òåàòðàëèçîâàííîå íà ñâîèõ êîíöåðòàõ. ×àñòîå èñïîëüçîâàíèå íåðîêîâûõ èíñòðóìåíòîâ, î÷åíü áîëüøîå çíà÷åíèå ïðèäàåòñÿ àðàíæèðîâêå, òåêñòó, êîíöåïöèè. Ïðîãðåññèâ-ðîê äåëàåò óïîð íà äðóãîå.  ïåðâóþ î÷åðåäü, íà ñëîæíîñòü, òåõíè÷åñêóþ è êîìïîçèöèîííóþ. Òî åñòü ìóçûêà ðàäè ìóçûêè, à íå ðàäè èäåè. Óñëîæíåííîñòü, ïåðåãðóæåííîñòü ðèôôàìè, ðàçìåðàìè, òåõíè÷åñêèå íàâîðîòû - âîò âàì ïðîã-êîìïîçèöèÿ. Íó è ñîîòâåòñâåííî ãðóïïû: êèòû àðò-ðîêà - Pink Floyd, Rush (íàçâàòü èõ ïðîãîì ÿçûê íå ïîâåðíåòñÿ), îòöû ïðîãà - Dream Theatre, Opeth. Ê ñëîâó Uriah Heep íå áûëè íè àðòåðàìè, íè ïðîããåðàìè. Old School Hard Rock. |
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Òåìà: Re: Progressive Rock
Âðåìÿ: 03.10.2006 01:44 |
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Dream Theater ðóëèò!!! Èäåàëüíîå ñî÷åòàíèå êîìïîçèòîðñêîãî è òåõíè÷åñêîãî ìàñòåðñòâà. | |
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Òåìà: Re: Progressive Rock
Âðåìÿ: 03.10.2006 02:05 |
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Ñàíêò-Ïåòåðáóðã drums & percussion  
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Îñîáåííî åñëè ó÷åñòü, ÷òî èäåàëîâ íå ñóùåñòâóåò âîâñå, â ìóçûêå òåì áîëåå 
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Òåìà: Re: Progressive Rock
Âðåìÿ: 03.10.2006 17:18 |
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Disen Gage -  Õîðîøàÿ âåùü!Æàëü,ïî-ëþáîìó íå ïîïàë áû,ñëèøêîì äàëåê ÿ îò Ìîñêâû...Íàñ÷åò äåôèíèöèè ïðîãà ñ àðòîì - ÷åñòíî,ìíå âñå ðàâíî.ß çàìåòèë,÷òî àðòîì íàçûâàþò (â îñíîâíîì,â ïîñò-ÑÑÑÐ) âåñü êëàññè÷åñêèé,õîðîøî èçâåñòíûé ïðîã âðîäå Ôëîéäîâ,Äæåíåçèñ,Éåñ,Êðèìçîíà èòä.ß ïðåäïî÷èòàþ òåðìèí "ïðîã" êàê áîëåå øèðîêèé è îõâàòûâàþùèé ïî÷òè âåñü ñïåêòð ðàçíîîáðàçèÿ ýòîé Ìóçûêè - îò äèêîãî àíòèìóçûêàëüíîãî àâàíãàðäà äî ôàêòè÷åñêè òàíöåâàëüíîãî ýëåêòðîíèê-ïðîãà(Òàíæåðèí Äðèì,Êðàôòâåðê è ò.ä.) |
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Òåìà: Re: Progressive Rock
Âðåìÿ: 03.10.2006 18:09 |
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Prog-jester Êñòàòè, Disen Gage æèâü¸ì - ïðîñòî óë¸ò. Ïëàñòèíêà èõ äîâîëüíî âÿëàÿ îêàçàëàñü, èìõî. ß îæèäàë áîëüøåãî, õîòÿ è îíà, íåñîìíåííî î÷åíü êðóòà. |
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Òåìà: Re: Progressive Rock
Âðåìÿ: 05.10.2006 19:09 |
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Ýðêþëü,ãäå ýòî ÷óäî äîñòàòü? | |
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Òåìà: Re: Progressive Rock
Âðåìÿ: 11.10.2006 19:13 |
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Ñàíêò-Ïåòåðáóðã Lychko ALB-8 
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Prog-Jester: èíòåðåñíî óñëûøàòü òâî¸ ìíåíèå ïî ïîâîäó òåìêè, óæå íåìíîãî çàáûòîé íà ôîðóìå http://www.musicforums.ru/rockmusic/view.php?bn=mfor_rockmusic&key=1150132501&pattern=camel#N1152643419 | |
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Òåìà: Re: Progressive Rock
Âðåìÿ: 14.10.2006 13:50 |
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Ñòðàííî, ÷òî "Dream òåàòð" íåêîòîðûå èäåàëèçèðóþò êàê ïðîã - ïî ìíå òàê îíè âûäîõëèñü .. åñòü ãðóïïû ÏÎÕëåñ÷å! ïðè÷åì - ÃÎÐÀÇÄÎ! | |
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Òåìà: Re: Progressive Rock
Âðåìÿ: 14.10.2006 13:58 |
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ñòðàííî, ÷òî åñòü ëþäè, êîòîðûå èäåàëèçèðóþò ÄðèìÒåàòð ñ ïðîãîì. Ïî ìíå òàê îíè âûäîõëèñü êàê ñóøåíûå îáåçüÿíû. 100% åñòü ãðóïïû ïîõëåñ÷å íà ïîðÿäîê. | |
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Òåìà: Re: Progressive Rock
Âðåìÿ: 21.10.2006 13:40 |
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Ñîãëàñåí ñ ïðåäûäóùèì îðàòîðîì. Yngwar,Âåðáëþäû - òðåòüÿ ëþáèìàÿ êîìàíäà èç êëàññèêè ïîñëå Äæåíåçèñ è Êðèìçîíîâ. ñâîå âðåìÿ ñòàë ñëóøàòü ÎÐÅÒÍ òîêà èç-çà òîãî,÷òî Àêåðôåëüäòó íðàâèòñÿ Êýìýë(òåïåðü è áåç ýòîé ïðè÷èíû ñëóøàþ  )Ëþáèìûé - A Nod and A Wink.Ýòî ñîâåðøåíñòâî.Ïðîñòî íåò ÍÈ ÎÄÍÎÉ íîòû ìèìî êàññû,ïëþñ îí âñòàâëÿåò ýìîöèîíàëüíî,â òî âðåìÿ,êàê Moonmadness è Mirage(ëþáèìûå èç ðàííåãî) ñîäåðæàò íåìíîãî ýìîöèé,à ïîòîìó äëÿ ìåíÿ èäóò íà 2ì ìåñòå.Ñèòóàöèÿ ñ ïîñëåäíèì Êýìýëîâñêèì ìíå íàïîìèíàåò ñèòóàöèþ ñ ïîñëåäíèì Le Orme "L'Infinito" - òîæå,íà ìîé âçãëÿä,èõ ëó÷øèé...Òàêèå ãðóïïû íå ëîøàòñÿ à òîëüêî ïðîãðåññèðóþò!!! Ñòðàííî,íî íàèìåíåå èíòåðåñíûå (ÈÌÕÎ) àëüáîìû èìåþò ÒÀÊÈÅ èíñòðóìåíòàëêè â ñåáå...( "I Can see..." - Survival è Ice; "Rajaz" - Sahara è 3 Wishes). |
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Òåìà: Re: Progressive Rock
Âðåìÿ: 21.10.2006 13:45 |
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Ñîãëàñåí ñ ïðåäûäóùèì îðàòîðîì. Yngwar,Âåðáëþäû - òðåòüÿ ëþáèìàÿ êîìàíäà èç êëàññèêè ïîñëå Äæåíåçèñ è Êðèìçîíîâ. ñâîå âðåìÿ ñòàë ñëóøàòü ÎÐÅÒÍ òîêà èç-çà òîãî,÷òî Àêåðôåëüäòó íðàâèòñÿ Êýìýë(òåïåðü è áåç ýòîé ïðè÷èíû ñëóøàþ )Ëþáèìûé - A Nod and A Wink.Ýòî ñîâåðøåíñòâî.Ïðîñòî íåò ÍÈ ÎÄÍÎÉ íîòû ìèìî êàññû,ïëþñ îí âñòàâëÿåò ýìîöèîíàëüíî,â òî âðåìÿ,êàê Moonmadness è Mirage(ëþáèìûå èç ðàííåãî...è äåáþò õîðîø òîæå) ñîäåðæàò íåìíîãî ýìîöèé,à ïîòîìó äëÿ ìåíÿ èäóò íà 2ì ìåñòå.Ñèòóàöèÿ ñ ïîñëåäíèì Êýìýëîâñêèì ìíå íàïîìèíàåò ñèòóàöèþ ñ ïîñëåäíèì Le Orme "L'Infinito" - òîæå,íà ìîé âçãëÿä,èõ ëó÷øèé...Òàêèå ãðóïïû íå ëîøàòñÿ à òîëüêî ïðîãðåññèðóþò!!! Ñòðàííî,íî íàèìåíåå èíòåðåñíûå (ÈÌÕÎ) àëüáîìû èìåþò ÒÀÊÈÅ èíñòðóìåíòàëêè â ñåáå...( "I Can see..." - Survival è Ice; "Rajaz"(ñêó÷íûé îí,ÈÌÕÎ,ìàëîýìîöèîíàëüíûé) - Sahara è 3 Wishes). Êàñàåìî Ôèãóðû è Òðýâåëëåðà - ê ñâîåìó ñòûäó,åùå íå ñëûøàë(è Äàñò ýíä Äðûìç òîæà).Äîìà ëåæèò,íàäî çàöåíèòü.Ñèíãë Ôàêòîð íå ëþáëþ,Ãàâàíü Ñëåç - ñêó÷íàÿ øòóêà.Ðýéí Äýíñåç è Áåçäûõàííûå - íåïëîõèå àëüáîìû,÷óòü êåíòåðáåðèéñêèå,õîòÿ óæå ÷óâñòâóåòñÿ îòõîä îò ñòàðîãî Êýìýëà ê ÷åìó-òî íîâîìó |
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Òåìà: Re: Progressive Rock
Âðåìÿ: 22.10.2006 14:58 |
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Yngwar,ïîñëóøàë Òðýâåëëåðà.Ñèëà!!!Î÷åíü ìÿãêî è êàê âñåãäà ïî-êýìýëîâñêè ÈÍÒÅËËÈÃÅÍÒÍÎ!!! Ó íèõ ïðîã-ðîê - ðîê íå äëÿ èíòåëëåêòóàëîâ,à äëÿ èíòåëëèãåíòîâ!!!  Èíñòðóìåíòàëêè(îñîáåííî 5é òðåê) è ïîñëåäíÿÿ âåùü âàùå ñóïåð!!!Ñîððè,ïîêà íå âñå íàçâàíèÿ ïîìíþ.Ñåãîäíÿ ïðèñòóïëþ ê Íüþäó
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Òåìà: Re: Progressive Rock
Âðåìÿ: 30.10.2006 13:22 |
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Ìîæåò ÿ êàíýøíà õ...ûé ÷èòàòåëü, íî íå íàøåë â ýòîì çàìå÷àòåëüíîì ðàçäåëå ôîðóìà òàêèå ñóïåð êîìàíäû êàê Pain of Salvation (îäíè èç ëþáèìåéøèõ ïðîã-ðîêåðîâ) :super:; Àyreon ( âûòÿíóë àëüáîì Human Equation ïîñëóøàòü , óçíàâ ÷òî òàì Ì. Àêåðôåëüäò íà ãðîóëå ïîñòàâëåí - êîìàíäà îêàçàëàñü ñóïåð!!!  ñòûäíî ÷òî íå ñëûøàë èõ ðàíüøå...);Peccatum (ïðîåêò èìïåðîâöà Ihsahn"à) - â ñèëó òîãî ÷òî íàìåøàíî êó÷ó ðàçíîîáðàçíûõ ýëåìåíòîâ âñÿ÷åñêèõ ñòèëåé è êîìïîçèöèè âåñüìà òÿæåëû äëÿ âîñïðèÿòèÿ - ïðîñòî ïðîãðåññèâ!! Õîòÿ íå ïðîñòî , à ñóïåð-êðàñèâî !!! îñîáåííî àëüáîì "Lost In Reverie" – 2004! Òàêæå äîñòîèí íå ìåíüøåãî âíèìàíàÿ ñîëüíûé ïðîýêò òîãî æå ãåíèàëüíîãî òîâàðèñ÷à Ihsahn "The Adversary" 2006
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Òåìà: Re: Progressive Rock
Âðåìÿ: 30.10.2006 13:28 |
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À âàùå â ïëåíå îïðåäèëåíèÿ ñòèëÿ (÷òîá íèêòî íå ññîðèëñÿ ) â êàêîé òî ìåðå ïîìàãàåò ýòîò ðåñóðñ http://www.progarchives.com/
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Òåìà: Re: Progressive Rock
Âðåìÿ: 30.10.2006 14:01 |
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Êñòàòè ïî ïîâîäó ýòîãî ðåñóðñà î÷åíü óäèâèëñÿ, ïîòîìó, ÷òî îáíàðóæèë, ÷òî ÿ ïî÷òè ôàíàò ïðîãà
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Òåìà: Re: Progressive Rock
Âðåìÿ: 11.01.2007 03:42 |
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http://uncyclopedia.org/wiki/Progressive_rock Sometimes referred to as "Prague Rock" due to its roots in Czechloslovakian Folk Music, progressive rock rebelled against the more popular regressive rock, in which artists would work backwards, from material about self actualization and to political philosophy, to songs like "Work ####s", "School ####s", "I Want My Mommy" and finally "Gurgle Gurgle". |
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Òåìà: Re: Progressive Rock
Âðåìÿ: 11.01.2007 22:54 |
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Ìîñêâà
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http://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%9F%D1%80%D0%BE%D0%B3%D1%80%D0%B5%D1%81%D1%81%D0%B8%D0%B2%D0%BD%D1%8B%D0%B9_%D1%80%D0%BE%D0%BA òîæå ñàìîå, òîëüêî ïî-ðóñèø! Ùàñ èäå "Song With The Song" êàìåëåâñêàÿ))) |
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Òåìà: Re: Progressive Rock
Âðåìÿ: 12.01.2007 00:42 |
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Ïîñîâåòîâàë áû Talisma......õîòÿ ýòî íå÷òî ñðåäíåå ìåæäó ïðîãðîêîì ôüþæíîì è ìÿòàëîì.....ïîëíîñòüþ èíñòðóìåíòàëüíî... | |
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Òåìà: Re: Progressive Rock
Âðåìÿ: 12.01.2007 16:02 |
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óõ òû,ÿ äóìàë,òîëüêî ÿ èõ ñëûøàë!!! Äà,Õðîìèóì(àëüáîì,÷òî ó ìåíÿ åñòü) ÷ðêçâû÷àéíî çîðîø!Ñëîæíî,íî ìåëîäè÷íî è âïîëíå äîñòóïíî!!! | |
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Òåìà: Re: Progressive Rock
Âðåìÿ: 12.01.2007 18:30 |
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Ïåòåðáóðã Ãèòàðà
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Prog-jester, Ó ìåíÿ òîëüêî Corpus ó íèõ ñëóøàë... À Parallel Mind è Spaced Out ñëûøàë? Òîæå ÷òî-òî â òàêîì äóõå èãðàþò. |
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Òåìà: Re: Progressive Rock
Âðåìÿ: 08.11.2007 23:55 |
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Îêñþìîðîí Àìèêîøîíñòâî Áàòðàõîìèîìàõèÿ 
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×åðò. Êóäà äåëèñü âñå ýòè ëþäè, òàê çäðàâî ãîâîðÿùèå î ïðîãå? Ãîä íàçàä ÌÔ áûëè êóäà èíòåðåñíåé | |
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Òåìà: Re: Progressive Rock
Âðåìÿ: 09.11.2007 00:05 |
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óõòû! òàì äàæå ìîè ñòàðûå ïîñòû åñö 
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Òåìà: Re: Progressive Rock
Âðåìÿ: 09.11.2007 00:06 |
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à åñëè ñåðüåçíî, òî âñå ÷òî ìîæíî óæå îáñóäèëè è îñòàåòñÿ òîëüêî ôëóäèòü
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Òåìà: Re: Progressive Rock
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Îêñþìîðîí Àìèêîøîíñòâî Áàòðàõîìèîìàõèÿ
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Òàê òû áåëûé êðîëèê? | |
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Òåìà: Re: Progressive Rock
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Òåìà: Re: Progressive Rock
Âðåìÿ: 09.11.2007 17:52 |
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Âñ¸-òàêè ýòî êàêàÿ-òî îñîáàÿ ðóññêàÿ òåìà, ñ ïåíîé ó ðòà äîêàçûâàòü ÷òî-òî ïðî êàêîé-òî ñòèëü. Ïî-áîëüøîìó ñ÷¸òó, ïðîã-ðîê è àðò-ðîê ýòî îäíî è òîæå. Âû ìîæåòå ìíå ãîâîðèòü, ÷òî ýòî íå òàê, è ýòî âàøå ïðàâî. Íî ìíå ýòè âûÿñíåíèÿ èíäè/íå èíäè, ðóññêèé ðîã/ãîâíîðîã, àðò/ïðîã, ÷åðòîâñêè íàïîìèíàåò: "Ýé, ïàðåíü, à òû ñ êàêîâà ðàéîíà?". | |
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Òåìà: Re: Progressive Rock
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Îêñþìîðîí Àìèêîøîíñòâî Áàòðàõîìèîìàõèÿ
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Jester òû íå â òåìå. Ïðè÷åì òóò ýòî | |
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Òåìà: Re: Progressive Rock
Âðåìÿ: 09.11.2007 18:50 |
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>à åñëè ñåðüåçíî, òî âñå ÷òî ìîæíî óæå îáñóäèëè è îñòàåòñÿ òîëüêî ôëóäèòü óðà, íàêîíåö-òî, ñêó÷íî ÷èòàòü âñå ýòî áûëî  ïðîøó ïðîñòèòü) àðò-ðîê ëóáëó è ñëóøàþ, ñ ïðîãîì ñëîæíåå... ñêàæåì äàëåêî íå âñå è íå ó âñåõ - ýòî òèïà ïî ñàáæó |
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îíè íå ëþäè. îíè ìóçûêàíòû (ñ)
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Òåìà: Re: Progressive Rock
Âðåìÿ: 09.11.2007 18:52 |
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>Íî ìíå ýòè âûÿñíåíèÿ èíäè/íå èíäè, ðóññêèé ðîã/ãîâíîðîã, àðò/ïðîã, ÷åðòîâñêè íàïîìèíàåò: "Ýé, ïàðåíü, à òû ñ êàêîâà ðàéîíà?". òûê ñ ðàçíûõ ðàéîíîâ ðàçíûå ïàðíè.. 
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îíè íå ëþäè. îíè ìóçûêàíòû (ñ)
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Òåìà: Re: Progressive Rock
Âðåìÿ: 27.11.2007 15:43 |
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***àðò-ðîê ëóáëó è ñëóøàþ, ñ ïðîãîì ñëîæíåå...*** äûãûãû, ýòî òèïà "áóòåðáðîäû ÿ ëþáëþ, à âîò êóñîê õëåáà ñ ìàñëîì è êîëáàñîé - íå î÷åíü..." |
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Òåìà: Re: Progressive Rock
Âðåìÿ: 27.11.2007 19:27 |
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äûê ïîíÿòèå "àðò-ðîê" äîñòàòî÷íî ñìóòíîå...âîò ÿ äî ñèõ ïîð íå ñîâñåì ïîíèìàþ ÷î ýòî ýòî âèäèìî ðàçíîâèäíîñòü ïðîãà... ãîâîðÿò, ÷òî êðýì èãðàþò àðò ðîê.. |
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Òåìà: Re: Progressive Rock
Âðåìÿ: 27.11.2007 22:18 |
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Îêñþìîðîí Àìèêîøîíñòâî Áàòðàõîìèîìàõèÿ
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>àðò-ðîê ëóáëó è ñëóøàþ Ëóêàâèòå, áàðûøíÿ  Òå êòî ëþáèò àðò-ðîê íå ãîâîðÿò, ÷òî Êýìåë ñêó÷íûå
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Watch out where the huskies go and don't you eat that yellow snow.
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Òåìà: Re: Progressive Rock
Âðåìÿ: 27.11.2007 23:37 |
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>Òå êòî ëþáèò àðò-ðîê íå ãîâîðÿò, ÷òî Êýìåë ñêó÷íûå
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