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Òåìà: Re: Ïîìîãèòå ñ âûáîðîì! Yamaha S30 èëè Korg X50
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Èðêóòñê Hammond B3  
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ïî ïîâîäó - à ÷¸ ëó÷øå??? âîò çäåñü ÷åì-òî ìåðÿþòñÿ, à ÷åì, ÿ òàê è íå ïîíÿë ïî-ìîåìó, òàê âñå òðè çâó÷àò îäèíàêÀâà, ïðàâäà êóðö ñìîòðèòñÿ êàê ìèðèêàíñêèé àâèàíîñåö, à íîðä ñ êðîíîñîì, êàê êàíîíåðêè 
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È ÷òî ýòî òàêîå "èìïðîâèçàöèÿ"? È êòî åå ïðèäóìàë? Íåìöû íàâåðíîå! Âå÷íî îíè ÷òî-íèáóäü ïðèäóìàþò, à íàì, ðóññêèì, ïîòîì îòäóâàéñÿ.
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Òåìà: Re: Ïîìîãèòå ñ âûáîðîì! Yamaha S30 èëè Korg X50
Âðåìÿ: 12.04.2012 19:23 |
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Budapest (Hungary) ÐÑ3, K-Station, Squier Standard strat è ò.ä. 
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>ïî ïîâîäó - à ÷¸ ëó÷øå??? âîò çäåñü ÷åì-òî ìåðÿþòñÿ, à ÷åì, ÿ òàê è íå ïîíÿë >http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uX0aEnasa6Q&featur e=related >ïî-ìîåìó, òàê âñå òðè çâó÷àò îäèíàêÀâà, ïðàâäà êóðö ñìîòðèòñÿ êàê ìèðèêàíñêèé àâèàíîñåö, à íîðä ñ êðîíîñîì, êàê êàíîíåðêè òåñò èç ñåðèè "â îãîðîäå áóçèíà, à â Êèåâå äÿäüêà" ... õîòÿ áû èãðàëè îäíî è òîæå è íà îäíîòèïíûõ ïàò÷àõ ... |
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Òåìà: Re: Ïîìîãèòå ñ âûáîðîì! Yamaha S30 èëè Korg X50
Âðåìÿ: 12.04.2012 21:34 |
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«Think Different»
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Åñòü åù¸ îäíà ïîãîâîðêà: "Íå ðîé ÷óæîìó ÿìó (þòþáîâñêóþ)))) ñàì â íå¸ ïîïàä¸øü".... Ñåðã,ñïàñèáî! 
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Ïðè ìíîãîêðàòíîì òåñòå àíàëîã vs öèôða îêàçàëîñü,
÷òî êà÷åñòâåííûé öèôðîâîé çâóê îò êà÷åñòâåííîãî àíàëîãîâî îòëè÷èòü ñìîãëè íå ñïåöèàëèñòû, à òîëüêî îñöèëëîãðàô..) |
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Òåìà: Re: Ïîìîãèòå ñ âûáîðîì! Yamaha S30 èëè Korg X50
Âðåìÿ: 12.04.2012 23:46 |
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Budapest (Hungary) ÐÑ3, K-Station, Squier Standard strat è ò.ä.
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÷óâàê ïðàëüíî ïèøåò : Íó .... Ýòîò òåñò-äðàéâ íå èìååò ñìûñëà ... ×òîáû áûòü õîðîøèì ... Âñå äîëæíû èìåòü 88 êëàâèø äëÿ âñåõ). Âòîðîå .. îäèí è òîò æå keyboardplayer âî âñåõ òðåõ êëàâèàòóð .. Thrird .. Ñ òîé æå ìóçûêîé ... ×åòâåðòûé ... Âñå ñ èëè áåç äîáàâèòü äîïîëíåíèé, êàê drumtrack èëè êàðìà ... Ìîæåò áûòü òîëüêî îäèí ðàóíä ñ ýòèì èíñòðóìåíòîâ ... Íî Maje íåò ñìûñëà ñðàâíèâàòü îäíó êëàâèàòóðó èãðàòü òîëüêî çâóê ôîðòåïèàíî è äðóãèå â ñîïðîâîæäåíèè ôîðòåïèàíî / ñòðîêè ñ áàðàáàíàìè çâóêà è îòìå÷àåò, äîïîëíèòåëüíî îò êàðìû .. cachete1966 |
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Òåìà: Re: Ïîìîãèòå ñ âûáîðîì! Yamaha S30 èëè Korg X50
Âðåìÿ: 13.04.2012 01:25 |
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Ìîñêâà MU-128, Impact LX-88 Nektar, Montage 6
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Õû....òàì ìíîãî ðàçíûõ ÷óâàêîâ.....è î÷åíü ðàçíîå ïèøóò....))) .....ïðî Êðîíîñ â òîì ÷èñëå....è íå âñ¸ â ìàæîðíîì íàñòðîåíèè....))) |
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Òåìà: Re: Ïîìîãèòå ñ âûáîðîì! Yamaha S30 èëè Korg X50
Âðåìÿ: 13.04.2012 01:27 |
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Ìîñêâà MU-128, Impact LX-88 Nektar, Montage 6
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È íå ñòîèò êîïèïàñòèòü ãóãëîâñêèé ïåðåâîä....Ìîçãè íàáåêðåíü âñòàëè îò âàøåãî ïîñòà....))) | |
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Òåìà: Re: Ïîìîãèòå ñ âûáîðîì! Yamaha S30 èëè Korg X50
Âðåìÿ: 13.04.2012 01:30 |
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Budapest (Hungary) ÐÑ3, K-Station, Squier Standard strat è ò.ä.
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êàêîé òåñò - òàêîé ïîñò .... | |
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Òåìà: Re: Ïîìîãèòå ñ âûáîðîì! Yamaha S30 èëè Korg X50
Âðåìÿ: 13.04.2012 01:52 |
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Budapest (Hungary) ÐÑ3, K-Station, Squier Standard strat è ò.ä.
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òåñò ÷óâàêîâ , à íå ñòðóìåíòîâ. Ïåðâûé î÷êàðèê èãðàåò ëó÷øå îñòàëüíûõ , äàæå åñëè åìó ïîäñóíóòü ïñðêó. Ðîÿëè ñî ñòðèíãàìè ïóñòü Ëåïñ îöåíèâàåò. | |
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Òåìà: Re: Ïîìîãèòå ñ âûáîðîì! Yamaha S30 èëè Korg X50
Âðåìÿ: 13.04.2012 03:56 |
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Èðêóòñê Hammond B3
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Ïåðâûé î÷êàðèê èãðàåò ëó÷øå îñòàëüíûõ àãà, ÿ òîæå ýòî îòìåòèë è âïå÷àòëåíèå, ÷òî íå èíñòðóìåíòû ñðàâíèâàþò, à ãîëîâû íà íîðäå ÷óâàê ñ áàøêîé, à êîòîðûé íà êðîíîñå, âààùå íå ïîíèìàåò, ÷òî øïèëÿåò |
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È ÷òî ýòî òàêîå "èìïðîâèçàöèÿ"? È êòî åå ïðèäóìàë? Íåìöû íàâåðíîå! Âå÷íî îíè ÷òî-íèáóäü ïðèäóìàþò, à íàì, ðóññêèì, ïîòîì îòäóâàéñÿ.
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Òåìà: Re: Ïîìîãèòå ñ âûáîðîì! Yamaha S30 èëè Korg X50
Âðåìÿ: 13.04.2012 09:28 |
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«Think Different»
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 êðîíîñå äèëåòàíòîâ óáèâàþò íàïîâàë à ëÿ ñàìîèãðàå÷íûå ðèòìî-êîñòûëè....)))) Îòêëþ÷è èõ....íà ïîâåðêó îáûêíîâåííàÿ êëàâà....ñòåêëÿøêà-êðóòèëêà êîðãî-òðàäèöèîííàÿ,äëÿ îäèíî÷íîãî àòòðàêöèîíà "ïîðàçèòü ëîõîâ". Íîðä ïîçèòèâíåå,ñîëèäíåå è óæèâ÷èâåå â àíñàìáëåâîé èãðå...... |
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Ïðè ìíîãîêðàòíîì òåñòå àíàëîã vs öèôða îêàçàëîñü,
÷òî êà÷åñòâåííûé öèôðîâîé çâóê îò êà÷åñòâåííîãî àíàëîãîâî îòëè÷èòü ñìîãëè íå ñïåöèàëèñòû, à òîëüêî îñöèëëîãðàô..) |
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Òåìà: Re: Ïîìîãèòå ñ âûáîðîì! Yamaha S30 èëè Korg X50
Âðåìÿ: 13.04.2012 10:16 |
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Budapest (Hungary) ÐÑ3, K-Station, Squier Standard strat è ò.ä.
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åùå ðàçîê ñëóøàåì áåç ðèòìî-êîñòûëåé .... ïîçèòèâíî-ñîëèäíî-óæèâ÷èâûé íîðäîâûé ôðàãìåíòíî-öèêëî-ëóïíûé ðîÿëü è áåçëóïíûé êîðãîâûé... îñîáåííî ñîëüíûå ìîìåíòû 0:52 1:55 è íà ñëóõ , è íà ãëàç , ÷òî õàðàêòåðíî... Attack sample lengths are (C1:C8): 3.0,3.5,3.2,2.3,2.1,1.0,?,? seconds. - Loop sample lengths are (C1:C8): 2.2,1.9,2.2,2.1,2.2,1.5,?,? seconds. - Visibly and audibly stretched. - All low & mid stretch group transitions fairly audible. - Large timbre variations between many of the lower stretch groups, some sound muffled. - Stretch distances: 2,3,2,3(x3),2,3,2,4,2,3(x3),4,3,2(x3),3(x3),4,4,2, 4,3(x4),2 = 31 groups. ïîçèòèâíûé ñåìïë íèæíåé äî äëèòñÿ 3 ñåê , âñå îñòàëüíîå âðåìÿ êðóòèòñÿ ñîëèäíûé 2ñåêóíäíûé ëóï ... êàæäûé ñåìïë óæèâ÷èâî ðàñòÿíóò íà 3-4 ñîñåäíèõ êëàâèøè Not looped, note decays sound very natural and long. - Unstretched. |
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Òåìà: Re: Ïîìîãèòå ñ âûáîðîì! Yamaha S30 èëè Korg X50
Âðåìÿ: 13.04.2012 10:35 |
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- Stretch distances: 2,3,2,3(x3),2,3,2,4,2,3(x3),4,3,2(x3),3(x3),4,4,2, 4,3(x4),2 = 31 groups. â íîðäå íà 88 êëàâèø - âñåãî 31 ñåìïë â êîðãå íà 88êë - 88 ñåìïëîâ íî ñåêòàíòàì âñå ðàâíî .... |
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Òåìà: Re: Ïîìîãèòå ñ âûáîðîì! Yamaha S30 èëè Korg X50
Âðåìÿ: 13.04.2012 11:45 |
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«Think Different»
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Öèòàòà îò ïðàêòèêîâ: “Korg kronos - èíñòðóìåíò áîëåå ïîäõîäÿùèé äëÿ çâóêîðåæèñåðîâ ïî îçâó÷èâàíèþ ôèëüìîâ èëè äëÿ æåñòîêîãî ìåòàëëà, ñ õàðàêòåðíûì îòòåíêîì çâóêà áóêâû "Ç" è "Ø" è áåñêîíå÷íûìè âîçìîæíîñòÿìè èñêàæåíèÿ çâóêà”. Ïîäïèøóñü ïîä êàæäîé áóêâîé…. Ñîâðåìåííîìó êëàâèøíèêó,äëÿ ÷èñòîòû è êà÷åñòâà çâó÷àíèÿ,íåîáõîäèìû íà ñòîéêå (æåëàòåëüíî íå îäíîÿðóñíîé) íåñêîëüêèõ êîíêðåòíûõ æàíðîâûõ èíñòðóìåíòîâ (íå îáÿçàòåëüíî äîðîãèõ)… Îäèí èç íèõ îáÿçàí áûòü àêêîìïàíèàòîðñêèì…áåç ëèøíèõ,íå íóæíûõ â ñöåíè÷åñêîé èãðå,ôóíêöèé: Ñèìïàòè÷íîå ïðåäëîæåíèå,ïðàâäàííîå öåíîé êà÷åñòâî: Áåçóïðå÷íûé â ýìóëÿöèÿõ êóëàê îñíîâíûõ èãðîâûõ òåìáðîâ. Íè÷åãî æå íå èçìåíèëîñü â êëàâèøíûõ æåëàíèÿõ….êàê áûë ïîëíûé íàáîð æåëàíèé -Õàììîíä -Ìóã -Ðîäåñ òàê è îñòàëñÿ… Íåò èõ-èùè äîñòîéíûå ýìóëÿöèè. Äîðîãóùèå “ìóêè è ïóêè» èç íàâîðî÷åííûõ ëàïòîïîâñêèìè ôóíêöèÿìè ìîíñòðîâ ñ îñÿçàåìûìè ðó÷êàìè íûíå óñïåøíî è ÷àñòî íåïîáåäèìî çàìåíÿþòñÿ íàðîäíûìè «òðèëëèàíàìè è ýðýìèêñàìè». çû ×èñòûå â ñòèëèñòèêå ñîëüíî ñòðîãèå òåìáðà èç ðàçíûõ èñòî÷íèêîâ -çàëîã ÿðêîé ñëûøèìîé èãðû. Çàëîã ïðîôåññèîíàëüíîãî ìûøëåíèÿ è ñóæäåíèÿ. |
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Ïðè ìíîãîêðàòíîì òåñòå àíàëîã vs öèôða îêàçàëîñü,
÷òî êà÷åñòâåííûé öèôðîâîé çâóê îò êà÷åñòâåííîãî àíàëîãîâî îòëè÷èòü ñìîãëè íå ñïåöèàëèñòû, à òîëüêî îñöèëëîãðàô..) |
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Òåìà: Re: Ïîìîãèòå ñ âûáîðîì! Yamaha S30 èëè Korg X50
Âðåìÿ: 13.04.2012 11:57 |
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Budapest (Hungary) ÐÑ3, K-Station, Squier Standard strat è ò.ä.
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>Ñèìïàòè÷íîå ïðåäëîæåíèå,ïðàâäàííîå öåíîé êà÷åñòâî: >http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fHPCNIeGVMs ñòîèë áû îí ðàçà â äâà äåøåâëå êðîíîñà - áàçàðó íåìà .... íî ïî öåíå ñîïîñòàâèìîé ñ êðîíîñîì - ñòîèò çàäóìàòüñÿ ... äà è ãîëèìîâàòûé íåãðàäóèðîâàííûé ôàòàð â íîðäå íå ïðèáàâëÿåò åìó î÷êîâ ... ïî ðîäåñó â íîðäå ìíîãèå îòìå÷àþò íåñîîòâåòñòâèå ñëîåâ âåëîñèòè ... èãðàåøü íà íåì ìÿãêî , à çâó÷èò bark ... ÷òîáû èçâëå÷ü òàêîé çâóê íà íàñòîÿùåì ðîäåñå , íàäî õåðà÷èòü ñî âñåé äóðè .... |
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Âðåìÿ: 13.04.2012 14:11 |
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«Think Different»
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-"ñòîèë áû îí ðàçà â äâà äåøåâëå êðîíîñà - áàçàðó íåìà .... íî ïî öåíå ñîïîñòàâèìîé ñ êðîíîñîì - ñòîèò çàäóìàòüñÿ ... ïî ðîäåñó â íîðäå ìíîãèå îòìå÷àþò íåñîîòâåòñòâèå ñëîåâ âåëîñèòè ... èãðàåøü íà íåì ìÿãêî , à çâó÷èò bark ... ÷òîáû èçâëå÷ü òàêîé çâóê íà íàñòîÿùåì ðîäåñå , íàäî õåðà÷èòü ñî âñåé äóðè ...." )))) Ïðîâîð÷ó ñòîòûñÿ÷íîé ðàçíèöåé…. KORG KRONOS-88 189 905 ðóá. Clavia Nord Electro 3 HP 85 350 ð. Äåñåðò: Óãàäàé òåìáðîâóþ ðàçíèöó…. ))))
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Ïðè ìíîãîêðàòíîì òåñòå àíàëîã vs öèôða îêàçàëîñü,
÷òî êà÷åñòâåííûé öèôðîâîé çâóê îò êà÷åñòâåííîãî àíàëîãîâî îòëè÷èòü ñìîãëè íå ñïåöèàëèñòû, à òîëüêî îñöèëëîãðàô..) |
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Òåìà: Re: Ïîìîãèòå ñ âûáîðîì! Yamaha S30 èëè Korg X50
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Budapest (Hungary) ÐÑ3, K-Station, Squier Standard strat è ò.ä.
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òàì , ðàçíèöà íå ñòîëü áîëüøàÿ ... è ÷å ýòî 6îêòàâíûé íîðä ñðàâíèâàåòñÿ ñ 7îêòàâíûì êîðãîì? êðîíîñ 73 - 3399 åóðî íîðä 3 hp - 2190 åóðî ïðî òåìáðîâóþ ðàçíèöó - òàêè åñòü îíà... |
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Òåìà: Re: Ïîìîãèòå ñ âûáîðîì! Yamaha S30 èëè Korg X50
Âðåìÿ: 13.04.2012 15:38 |
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Budapest (Hungary) ÐÑ3, K-Station, Squier Standard strat è ò.ä.
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Òåìà: Re: Ïîìîãèòå ñ âûáîðîì! Yamaha S30 èëè Korg X50
Âðåìÿ: 20.04.2012 15:42 |
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Òåìà: Re: Ïîìîãèòå ñ âûáîðîì! Yamaha S30 èëè Korg X50
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Òàéðîñ 3 î÷ õîðîø,çðÿ âû åãî ðóãàåòå...ïðîñòî Òàéðîñû (ìîå ìíåíèå) íàäî áó ïîêóïàòü... | |
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