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                                         Òåìà: Èñêóâñòâåííûé ôëåæ,
                                        
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                                    ×åðò âîçüìè êàê åãî äåëàòü?!!! | |
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                                         Òåìà: Re: Èñêóâñòâåííûé ôëåæ,
                                        
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ðóêàìè!!!  | 
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                                         Òåìà: Re: Èñêóâñòâåííûé ôëåæ,
                                        
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                                    à âîáùå ýòî íóæíî ïîêàçûâàòü!!! òàê ýòî íå îáúÿñíèøü!!! | |
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                                         Òåìà: Re: Èñêóâñòâåííûé ôëåæ,
                                        
                                         Âðåìÿ: 10.01.2006 15:26  | 
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Äåëàòü åãî íóæíî ïåðâîé ôàëàíãîé ãèòàðíîãî, òðåòüåãî ïàëüöà íà ËÅÂÎÉ ðóêå !!!  | 
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                                         Òåìà: Re: Èñêóâñòâåííûé ôëåæîëåò
                                        
                                         Âðåìÿ: 10.01.2006 15:58  | 
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                                    Íó à ñåðüåçíî, õîòÿ áû ïðèìåðíî... | |
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                                         Òåìà: Re: Èñêóâñòâåííûé ôëåæ,
                                        
                                         Âðåìÿ: 10.01.2006 16:39  | 
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                                    à ó ìåíÿ äðóãîé âîïðîñ:) ÷åì íî îòëè÷àåòñÿ îò íàòóðàëüíîãî?:) íàòóðàëüíûå óìåþ, à âîò èñêóññòâåííûå.. âîîáùå áåç ïîíÿòèÿ ÷òî òàêîå.. | |
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                                         Òåìà: Re: Èñêóâñòâåííûé ôëåæ,
                                        
                                         Âðåìÿ: 10.01.2006 17:15  | 
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                                            ÑÏá òåíîð-ñàêñîôîí  | 
                                    ÷åòàéòè ôàêå | |
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                                         Òåìà: Re: Èñêóâñòâåííûé ôëåæ,
                                        
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                                    Ñòðóíó Ñè ïðèæèìàåøü íà ïåðâîì ëàäó, ïàëåöåì êàñàåøñÿ òðèíàäöàòîãî, âîò èñêóññòâåííûé ôëàæîëåò C3. | |
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                                         Òåìà: Re: Èñêóâñòâåííûé ôëåæ,
                                        
                                         Âðåìÿ: 10.01.2006 17:49  | 
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Çàæèìàåøü êàêîé-ë. ëàä, îòñ÷èòûâàåøü îò ýòîãî ëàäà +12 ëàäîâ, êàñàåøüñÿ â ýòîì ìåñòå ñòðóíû óêàçàòåëüíûì ïàëüöåì ïðàâîé ðóêè, à ñðåäíèì èëè áåçûìÿííûì äåðãàåøü ñòðóíó. PS: ìîæåò òûõîòåë ñïðîñèòü ïðî ìåäèàòîðíûå ôëàæîëåòû?  | 
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                                         Òåìà: Re: Èñêóâñòâåííûé ôëåæ,
                                        
                                         Âðåìÿ: 10.01.2006 17:49  | 
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                                    êðóòî:) êàæåòñÿ íà÷èíàþ ïîíèìàòü... | |
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                                         Òåìà: Re: Èñêóâñòâåííûé ôëåæ,
                                        
                                         Âðåìÿ: 10.01.2006 17:50  | 
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                                            Ìîñêâà 2 ðóêè è 19 ñòðóí  | 
                                    
                                        
Hydromant ýòî îêòàâíûé òýïîâûé ôëàæîëåò!   "ãèòàðíûé òðåòèé ïàëåö" òîæå ïîçàáàâèë Àâòîðó: âìåñòå ñ ìåäèàòîðîì ñòðóíû äîëæíà ñëåãêà êîñíóòüñÿ ïîäóøå÷êà áîëüøîãî ïàëüöà. Âìåñòå ñ òåì ìîæíî íåìíîãî ïîâèáðèðîâàòü íîòêó - âêóñíåå ïîëó÷èòñÿ. Óäà÷è è òåðïåíèÿ. Îíî ïîòðåáóåòñÿ!  | 
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                                         Òåìà: Re: Èñêóâñòâåííûé ôëåæ,
                                        
                                         Âðåìÿ: 10.01.2006 18:22  | 
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                                    " Àâòîðó: âìåñòå ñ ìåäèàòîðîì ñòðóíû äîëæíà ñëåãêà êîñíóòüñÿ ïîäóøå÷êà áîëüøîãî ïàëüöà. Âìåñòå ñ òåì ìîæíî íåìíîãî ïîâèáðèðîâàòü íîòêó - âêóñíåå ïîëó÷èòñÿ. " âñ¸ ïðàâèëüíî!!! òîê ýòî äîëæíî ïðîèñõîäèòü ïðàêòè÷åñêè îäíîâðåìåííî!!! ÷óòîê íàêëîíÿé áîëüøîé ïàëåö â ñòîðîíó ñòðóí ïîñëå òîãî êàê ìåäèàòîð çàäåíåò ñòðóíû!!! äëÿ ýòîãî äåëàé íåñèëüíî áîëüøîé âûñòóï êîí÷èêà ìåäèàòîðà èç ïîä ïàëüöåâ ( áóäåò íàìíîãî óäîáíåé )!!! | |
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                                         Òåìà: Re: Èñêóâñòâåííûé ôëåæ,
                                        
                                         Âðåìÿ: 10.01.2006 18:45  | 
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                                            Ýñòîíèÿ, Òàëëèí Ibanez RGD2127 | RG2620  | 
                                    
                                        
Äà, ìåäèàòîðíûå ôëàæîëåòû ýòî î÷ êðàñèâî. Íî ÷òîáû èõ ÷èñòî äåëàòü (à ãëàâíîå, äåëàòü èõ òîãäà, êîãäà íàäî, à íå êîãäà ïîëó÷èòñÿ), íóæíî ìíîãî ïðàêòèêè. Ìåäèàòîðíûì ôëàæîëåòàì òàê ïðîñòî íå íàó÷èøüñÿ. Èõ íóæíî ÷óâñòâîâàòü.  | 
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                                         Òåìà: Re: Èñêóâñòâåííûé ôëåæ,
                                        
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                                         Òåìà: Re: Èñêóâñòâåííûé ôëåæ,
                                        
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                                            Ýñòîíèÿ, Òàëëèí Ibanez RGD2127 | RG2620  | 
                                    Åù¸ íóæíî äîáàâèòü, ÷òî äëÿ êðàñèâîãî ìåäèàòîðíîãî ôëàæîëåòà íóæåí õîðîøèé ïåðåãðóç. Åñëè ìàëî ãåéíà, ìåäèàòîðíûé ôëàæîëåò áóäåò õðåíîâûì. | |
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                                         Òåìà: Re: Èñêóâñòâåííûé ôëåæ,
                                        
                                         Âðåìÿ: 10.01.2006 18:55  | 
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                                    ó ìåíÿ òàêàÿ õåðü, ÷òî êàäà ÿ èãðàþ, îíè ó ìåíÿ ñàìîïðîèçâîëüíî ïðîñêàêèâàþò)) | |
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                                         Òåìà: Re: Èñêóâñòâåííûé ôëåæ,
                                        
                                         Âðåìÿ: 10.01.2006 18:59  | 
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                                            Ìîñêâà Kramer Glide, Roland JP-8000  | 
                                    
                                        
Íàä 5-ûì, 7-ûì, 12-ûì, 19-ûì, 24-ûì ïîðîæêàìè òîæå (+ çàæàòûé). À åù¸ åñòü íàä 4-ûì, 9-ûì, 2.5 è òàê äàëåå. . .  | 
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  òî âðåìÿ êàê òåíü ÑÑÑÐ ñãóñòèëàñü íàä Åâðîïîé, 12 ñòðàí ïî îáå ñòîðîíû Àòëàíòèêè îáúåäèíèëèñü äëÿ çàùèòû ñâîåé áåçîïàñíîñòè è ãëàâíûõ öåííîñòåé: ñâîáîäû, äåìîêðàòèè, ïðàâ ÷åëîâåêà è ãëàâåíñòâà çàêîíà. 
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                                         Òåìà: Re: Èñêóâñòâåííûé ôëåæ,
                                        
                                         Âðåìÿ: 10.01.2006 19:00  | 
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                                            xxx Fender Strat ![]()  | 
                                    Êðþãåð òóò ÿ òîæ äîëæåí ñîãëàñèòüñÿ ñ òîáîé!!! êñòàòå çàìåòèë òàêóþ èðóíäó ÷òî íà ìî¸ì DS-1 ôèãîâî îíè çâó÷àò à âîò íà âñòðîåííîì îâåðäðàéâå â êîìáàðå íà óðà!!! | |
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                                         Òåìà: Re: Èñêóâñòâåííûé ôëåæ,
                                        
                                         Âðåìÿ: 10.01.2006 19:03  | 
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                                            Ýñòîíèÿ, Òàëëèí Ibanez RGD2127 | RG2620  | 
                                    
                                        
Stevie Óãó, òàê âñ¸ ïðèìåðíî è äîëæíî áûòü =)  | 
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 Ibanez RGD2127z (BKP MM set)  | RG2620 QMSP (BKP Nailbomb bridge) >> Korg Pitchblack >> Chris Custom Dr. Silvery >> Yerasov Detonator >> Yerasov Bull-V 212(Eminence Swamp Thang | The Governor) 
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                                         Òåìà: Re: Èñêóâñòâåííûé ôëåæ,
                                        
                                         Âðåìÿ: 10.01.2006 19:40  | 
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                                    âñå íàïèñàëè ïðàâèëüíî. ñòàðàéñÿ, äåëàé ýòî äîëãî è óïîðíî... ìíå ïîðåáîâàëèñü ãîäû, ÷òîáû ýòî ïðî÷óâñòâîâàòü. íî ìíå íèêòî íè÷åãî íå ïîêàçûâàë...... | |
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                                         Òåìà: Re: Èñêóâñòâåííûé ôëåæ,
                                        
                                         Âðåìÿ: 10.01.2006 19:45  | 
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âîìïèð, â ñëåäóþùèé ðàç æóé, âìåñòî òîãî, ÷òîáû ãîâîðèòü òÿ íå ïðî íàòóðàëüíûå ñïðîñèëè, à ïðî èñêóñòâåííûå  | 
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                                         Òåìà: Re: Èñêóâñòâåííûé ôëåæ,
                                        
                                         Âðåìÿ: 10.01.2006 19:46  | 
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Ïîìíþ, ÿ êîãäà åùå òîëüêî ãîä èãðàë íà ýëåêòðóõå, ñàì ñëó÷àéíî íàó÷èëñÿ äåëàòü èñêóñòâåííûå ôëàæåëåòû. Î÷åíü òîãäà óäèâèëñÿ! Åùå áîëüøå óäèâèëñÿ, êîãäà ïîçæå óçíàë, ÷òî äåëàë èõ ïðàâèëüíî)) Âîîáùåì, ìîæåòå ñ÷èòàòü ìåíÿ îòêðûâàòåëåì èñêóññòâåííûõ ôëàæåëåòîâ;)  | 
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                                         Òåìà: Re: Èñêóâñòâåííûé ôëåæ,
                                        
                                         Âðåìÿ: 10.01.2006 19:51  | 
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                                            Ìîñêâà Kramer Glide, Roland JP-8000  | 
                                    Äåíèýëñ, ïeäðèëî, ÷èòàé âíèìàòåëüíî, ÷òî ÿ íàïèñàë. | |
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  òî âðåìÿ êàê òåíü ÑÑÑÐ ñãóñòèëàñü íàä Åâðîïîé, 12 ñòðàí ïî îáå ñòîðîíû Àòëàíòèêè îáúåäèíèëèñü äëÿ çàùèòû ñâîåé áåçîïàñíîñòè è ãëàâíûõ öåííîñòåé: ñâîáîäû, äåìîêðàòèè, ïðàâ ÷åëîâåêà è ãëàâåíñòâà çàêîíà. 
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                                         Òåìà: Re: Èñêóâñòâåííûé ôëåæ,
                                        
                                         Âðåìÿ: 10.01.2006 20:26  | 
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êðàñèâî çâó÷àò òýïïèíãîâûå ôëàæîëåòû... ìÿãêèé ïåðåõîä... âîîáùå, êó÷à ñïîñîáîâ èçâëåêàòü ôëàæîëåòû... ñàì ïîïðîáóé êàê íèòü... íàïðèìåð ìîæíî ïîñòóêèâàòü ïî ñòðóíàì ÏÐÀÂÎÉ ðóêîé â îáëàñòè íåêîâîãî äàò÷èêà (íó, íàäî ïîêàçûâàòü, íî ìîæíî è òàê äîéòè) âñÿêèå ðàçíûå âûñîêèå ôëàæîëåòû...  à âîîáùå ëåã÷å âñåãî èñê. ôëàæ. çâó÷àò åñëè èõ áðàòü +12 îò òîãî ëàäà íà êîòîðîì çàæàë...  | 
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                                         Òåìà: Re: Èñêóâñòâåííûé ôëåæ,
                                        
                                         Âðåìÿ: 10.01.2006 20:42  | 
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                                         Òåìà: Re: Èñêóâñòâåííûé ôëåæ,
                                        
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Ìëÿ, êîãäà ñìîòðåë "Live At Budokan", ìíå ïîêàçàëîñü,  ÷òî Çàê ïåðåáàðùèâàåò ñ íèìè.  
                                        
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                                         Òåìà: Re: Èñêóâñòâåííûé ôëåæ,
                                        
                                         Âðåìÿ: 10.01.2006 20:48  | 
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 "Hydromant ýòî îêòàâíûé òýïîâûé ôëàæîëåò!"  ß êàê ïðîñòåéøèé ïðèìåð ïðèâåë, ÷òîáû íå çàìîðà÷èâàòüñÿ.  | 
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                                         Òåìà: Re: Èñêóâñòâåííûé ôëåæ,
                                        
                                         Âðåìÿ: 10.01.2006 20:52  | 
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                                            Ìèíñê ♪♫ ...  | 
                                    Êñòàòè, ìåæäó 2 è 3 ëàäàìè åñòü öåëûõ òðè íàòóðàëüíûõ ôëàæîëåòà. | |
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                                         Òåìà: Re: Èñêóâñòâåííûé ôëåæ,
                                        
                                         Âðåìÿ: 10.01.2006 20:53  | 
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                                            Òîðòóãà Áóòûëêà Ðîìà  | 
                                    Êðþãåð, à êàê ñ ñàáæåì äåëî îáñòîèò íà âóäó âàëüâå? | |
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                                         Òåìà: Re: Èñêóâñòâåííûé ôëåæ,
                                        
                                         Âðåìÿ: 11.01.2006 00:02  | 
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                                            Ýñòîíèÿ, Òàëëèí Ibanez RGD2127 | RG2620  | 
                                    
                                        
Âîîáùå îôèãèòåëüíûå ìåäèàòîðíûå ôëàæîëåòû íà âóäó ïîëó÷àþòñÿ.   Ñåé÷àñ âîò æäó êîãäà ïðèåäåò ìîé ÄèÌàðçèî Ýâîëþøí (áðèäæ). ×óâñòâóþ, êîãäà åãî ïîñòàâëþ, âîîáùå ñêàçêà áóäåò =)  | 
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 Ibanez RGD2127z (BKP MM set)  | RG2620 QMSP (BKP Nailbomb bridge) >> Korg Pitchblack >> Chris Custom Dr. Silvery >> Yerasov Detonator >> Yerasov Bull-V 212(Eminence Swamp Thang | The Governor) 
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                                         Òåìà: Re: Èñêóâñòâåííûé ôëåæ,
                                        
                                         Âðåìÿ: 11.01.2006 01:24  | 
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                                            Ýñòîíèÿ, Òàëëèí Ibanez RGD2127 | RG2620  | 
                                    
                                        
Âîò íàø¸ë êàêóþ òî ñòàðåíüêóþ çàïèñü. Òîãäà åù¸ ïèñàë â ëèíèþ âî âñòðîåííóþ çâóêîâóõó. Âêëþ÷åí áûë êàêîé òî çàâîäñêîé ïðåñåò, äëÿ ñîëÿêîâ ïîõîäó. Âîîáùåì ïðèìåðíîå çâó÷àíèå ôëàæîëåòîâ ìîæíî óñëûøàòü =)  | 
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 Ibanez RGD2127z (BKP MM set)  | RG2620 QMSP (BKP Nailbomb bridge) >> Korg Pitchblack >> Chris Custom Dr. Silvery >> Yerasov Detonator >> Yerasov Bull-V 212(Eminence Swamp Thang | The Governor) 
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                                         Òåìà: Re: Èñêóâñòâåííûé ôëåæ,
                                        
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                                            Òîðòóãà Áóòûëêà Ðîìà  | 
                                    
                                        
Äàíêå. ß ñëûøàë ñýìïë ñ îôñàéòà ðîêòðîíà, ìíå ïîíðàâèëñÿ çâó÷îê ñîëÿêà,  õîòåëîñü óçíàòü âñå ëè òàê øîêîëàäíî íà ñàìîì äåëå )  | 
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                                         Òåìà: Re: Èñêóâñòâåííûé ôëåæ,
                                        
                                         Âðåìÿ: 11.01.2006 11:18  | 
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                                            Ýñòîíèÿ, Òàëëèí Ibanez RGD2127 | RG2620  | 
                                    
                                        
Íóæíî äîëãî ìóäîõàòüñÿ ñ íàñòðîéêàìè pre è post ýêâàëàéçåðîâ. Íî çàòî ìîæíî íàðóëèòü îîî÷åíü õîðîøèé çâóê. À åñëè ïóñòèòü âóäó ÷åðåç õîðîøèé óñèëîê - âàùå îôèãåííî. ß ïóñêàë ÷åðåç hand-made ëàìïîûâûé óñèëèòåëü (óñ¸ êàê íàäî, 4 ëàìïû) - çâóê áûë ïðîñòî ìîùùùü! =)  | 
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                                         Òåìà: Re: Èñêóâñòâåííûé ôëåæ,
                                        
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                                            PRS McCarty '97 ★ ★ ★  | 
                                    
                                        
Åùå íå íà âñÿêèõ çâó÷êàõ ïîëó÷èòñÿ âêóñíûé ôëàæîê  | 
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                                         Òåìà: Re: Èñêóâñòâåííûé ôëåæ,
                                        
                                         Âðåìÿ: 11.01.2006 12:50  | 
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                                            Òîðòóãà Áóòûëêà Ðîìà  | 
                                    
                                        
Äûê âîò ïèñàëñÿ êîãäà íåäàâíî, ïîäðóáàëñÿ â ðåêòèôàåð: ôëàæêè íå øëè. Íà áàçå  äàëè ìíå ïîëàáàòü â îäèí ëàìïîâûé õýíäìýéä - âñå âèçæàëî òîêà â ïóòü.  | 
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                                         Òåìà: Re: Èñêóâñòâåííûé ôëåæ,
                                        
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[quote]Åù¸ íóæíî äîáàâèòü, ÷òî äëÿ êðàñèâîãî ìåäèàòîðíîãî ôëàæîëåòà íóæåí õîðîøèé ïåðåãðóç. Åñëè ìàëî ãåéíà, ìåäèàòîðíûé ôëàæîëåò áóäåò õðåíîâûì.[/quote] Äàæå íà ìîåé ñòàðîé ñîâåòñêîé àêóñòèêå ìåäèàòîðíûé ôëàæîëåò ñëûøèòñÿ âïîëíå îò÷åòëèâî, ïåðåãðóç òóò íå âàæåí. ß êîãäà-òî â ðàííåé ìîëîäîñòè äóìàë, ÷òî ýòî ñïåöèàëüíàÿ ïåäàëüêà äàåò òàêîé ýôôåêò, à ïîòîì ñëó÷àéíî ïîëó÷èë åãî ñàì.    Íà÷àë âûÿñíÿòü, êàê ýòî ïîëó÷èëîñü, îêàçàëîñü, ÷òî ÿ ïîñëå äåðãà ìåäèàòîðîì çàäåë ñëåãêà ñòðóíó áîêîâèíîé ïîäóøå÷êè áîëüøîãî ïàëüöà (åñòåñòâåííî, ëåâîé ðóêè). Ñåé÷àñ ïîëó÷àåòñÿ îäíèì òîëüêî òðåáîâàíèåì ìûñëè, íà àâòîìàòå. Èñêóñòâåííûå, èìõî, èñïîëüçóþò òîëüêî íà êëàññèêå. Ñëûøàë êàê-òî îäèí ýòþä, ñûãðàííûé ïî÷òè òîëüêî íà îäíèõ èñê. è íàò. ôëàæîëåòàõ.  | 
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                                         Òåìà: Re: Èñêóâñòâåííûé ôëåæ,
                                        
                                         Âðåìÿ: 11.01.2006 15:16  | 
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                                            Ýñòîíèÿ, Òàëëèí Ibanez RGD2127 | RG2620  | 
                                    
                                        
Random™ Òî÷íî. Çâó÷êè î÷åíü âàæíû â ýòîì äåëå.  | 
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 Ibanez RGD2127z (BKP MM set)  | RG2620 QMSP (BKP Nailbomb bridge) >> Korg Pitchblack >> Chris Custom Dr. Silvery >> Yerasov Detonator >> Yerasov Bull-V 212(Eminence Swamp Thang | The Governor) 
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| Àâòîð | 
                                         Òåìà: Re: Èñêóâñòâåííûé ôëåæ,
                                        
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                                            Êðàñíîÿðñê-Ìîñêâà-Êðàñíîÿðñê ãèòàðà, ãîëîñ  | 
                                    
                                        
à ÿ è íå ïîäêëþ÷àÿ ôëàæîëåò äåëàþ.  | 
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 Ñâîáîäíûì ñ÷èòàåòñÿ ÷åëîâåê, ïîëüçóþùèéñÿ ñâîåé ñâîáîäîé - Êîíñòèòóöèÿ Øâåéöàðèè 
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