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Òåìà: gilmour in concert
Âðåìÿ: 26.05.2009 19:39 |
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íó êàê çíàòîêè, ïîêàæèòå ñâîþ ñèëó, îïðåäåëèòå, ÷òî çà ýôôåêò èñïîëüçóåò ñòàðèíà Ãèëìîð â ýòîì âèäåî http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m-NLgriO-Io ÿ ïðî çâóê, ïîÿâëÿþùèéñÿ ïðè ðàáîòå ãðîìêîñòè. ñàì ñêëîíÿëñÿ ê ìíåíèþ, ÷òî ìèäè äàò÷èê, íî ÷åòà ïðîâîäîâ ëèøíèõ, äà è äàò÷èêà íå çàìåòèë |
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Òåìà: Re: gilmour in concert
Âðåìÿ: 26.05.2009 20:07 |
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òóò ÷åòî òàêîå îáñóæäàëè 
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Òåìà: Re: gilmour in concert
Âðåìÿ: 26.05.2009 20:14 |
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Ìîñêâà Ãèòàðà
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â êàìåíòàõ ê ãèëìîðó íà þòóáå åñòü êîé ÷å åñëè ïðîáåæàòüñÿ basically, hes using a sound-on-sound effect into a roland delay which is producing very long delay (1500 ms, 20 secs). hes got his effects are in order like this... effects board- volume (a/b router)- one for his normal hiwatt amp, the other to the sound-on-sound then to his roland delay to another hiwatt amp (SOS)... creating a looping effect without the roland delay goin thru his normal solo/rhythm guitar... does it make sense? íó è òàì åùå ÷åòî
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Òåìà: Re: gilmour in concert
Âðåìÿ: 26.05.2009 22:51 |
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Byzantium Fender/Vigier guitars Marshall amps/cabs TN Torpedo Live 
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>â êàìåíòàõ ê ãèëìîðó íà þòóáå åñòü êîé ÷å åñëè ïðîáåæàòüñÿ > >basically, hes using a sound-on-sound effect into a roland delay which is producing very long delay (1500 ms, 20 secs). hes got his effects are in order like this... effects board- volume (a/b router)- one for his normal hiwatt amp, the other to the sound-on-sound then to his roland delay to another hiwatt amp (SOS)... creating a looping effect without the roland delay goin thru his normal solo/rhythm guitar... does it make sense? > ïîõîæå íà ïðàâäó...
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Òåìà: Re: gilmour in concert
Âðåìÿ: 26.05.2009 22:55 |
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Õì. Íàäî ïîïðîáîâàòü ñîîðóäèòü òàêîå â áûòîâûõ óñëîâèÿõ. Äóìàþ, íóæåí òîëüêî ðàçâåòâèòåëü ñèãíàëà, à â îäíó èç öåïåé ïåäàëü ãðîìêîñòè è ðåâåð ìîùíûé. | |
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Òåìà: Re: gilmour in concert
Âðåìÿ: 26.05.2009 23:18 |
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Byzantium Fender/Vigier guitars Marshall amps/cabs TN Torpedo Live
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>Õì. Íàäî ïîïðîáîâàòü ñîîðóäèòü òàêîå â áûòîâûõ óñëîâèÿõ. Äóìàþ, íóæåí òîëüêî ðàçâåòâèòåëü ñèãíàëà, à â îäíó èç öåïåé ïåäàëü ãðîìêîñòè è ðåâåð ìîùíûé. òàì íå ðåâåð, à äèëåé...... ...ÿ ïîõîæèé çâóê äåëàë êîãäà ó ìåíÿ áûë Roland 501-é. |
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Òåìà: Re: gilmour in concert
Âðåìÿ: 27.05.2009 00:37 |
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À òîëüêî ó ìåíÿ çâóê îïàçäûâàåò íà âèäåî? 
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Òåìà: Re: gilmour in concert
Âðåìÿ: 27.05.2009 01:45 |
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Ó ìåíÿ òîæ... =\\ | |
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Òåìà: Re: gilmour in concert
Âðåìÿ: 27.05.2009 07:26 |
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Byzantium Fender/Vigier guitars Marshall amps/cabs TN Torpedo Live
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>À òîëüêî ó ìåíÿ çâóê îïàçäûâàåò íà âèäåî? ñèíõðîíèçàöèÿ ñúåõàëà(çâóêà ñ êàðòèíêîé) ....òàêîå áûâàåò |
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Òåìà: Re: gilmour in concert
Âðåìÿ: 28.05.2009 00:39 |
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Ìîñêâà Betacam SP 
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>Õì. Íàäî ïîïðîáîâàòü ñîîðóäèòü òàêîå â áûòîâûõ óñëîâèÿõ. Äóìàþ, íóæåí òîëüêî ðàçâåòâèòåëü ñèãíàëà, à â îäíó èç öåïåé ïåäàëü ãðîìêîñòè è ðåâåð ìîùíûé. Lex, åñëè ñäåëàåøü, ðàññêàæåøü? Î÷åíü õî÷åòñÿ òàêóþ ïåäàëü, à ñóòü, êàê ýòî ñäåëàíî, ïîíÿòü íå ìîãó ) |
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Ïðîñíèñü, íà âîñòîêå óæå âñòàëî ïèâî.
Ñìîòðè, ðÿäîì ñ ïèâîì çàáðåçæèëî ñîëíöå. Ó÷òè, ýòî ñîëíöå ñåé÷àñ ñòàíåò áëþçîì. Ïîâåðü, ýòèõ áëþçîâ íàäîëãî íå õâàòèò... |
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Òåìà: Re: gilmour in concert
Âðåìÿ: 28.05.2009 00:53 |
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ìíå êàæåòñÿ ýòî ìîæíî ñäåëàòü çàäèëåèâ ïîñëåçâó÷èå àêêîðäà çàâåäÿ íà ïåäàëü ýêñïðåñèè êîëè÷åñòâî ïîâòîðåíèé ó äèëåÿ èëè íàæèìàÿ è îòæèìàÿ êíîïêó ðåïèò åñëè ó äèëåÿ åñòü êîëüöóþùàÿ ôóíêöèÿ ó òàéìôàêòîðà êñòàòè êîãäà þçàåøü ðåïèò - òî ÷òî èãðàåòñÿ ïîâåðõ èãðàåò óæå áåç çàäåðæêè òàê ÷òî ðàçâåòâèòåëÿ íå íàäî |
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Òåìà: Re: gilmour in concert
Âðåìÿ: 28.05.2009 15:46 |
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>>basically, hes using a sound-on-sound effect into a roland delay which is producing very long delay (1500 ms, 20 secs). hes got his effects are in order like this... effects board- volume (a/b router)- one for his normal hiwatt amp, the other to the sound-on-sound then to his roland delay to another hiwatt amp (SOS)... creating a looping effect without the roland delay goin thru his normal solo/rhythm guitar... does it make sense? >> > > >ïîõîæå íà ïðàâäó... >___________________________________________ À ïåðåâîäîì ïîäåëèòüñÿ íå õî÷åøü? 
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There are not guitarists, there are musicians playing on a guitar!
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Òåìà: Re: gilmour in concert
Âðåìÿ: 28.05.2009 15:46 |
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À ýôôåêò òàêîé ïîëó÷èòü áóäåò ðåàëüíî êðóòî!!!!!! | |
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There are not guitarists, there are musicians playing on a guitar!
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Òåìà: Re: gilmour in concert
Âðåìÿ: 31.05.2009 00:36 |
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Ìîñêâà
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Äà, î÷åíü ïîõîæå íà äèëåé. Ïåäàëü ìîæò åãî ïðîñòî âêëþ÷àåò/âûêëþ÷àåò. Ãëàâíîå âêëþ÷èòü âîâðåìÿ Ó êîãî ïðîö åñòü ñ ïåäàëüþ - ìîæåòå ïîðûñêàòü, òàì äîëæíî íà ïåäàëü íàçíà÷àòüñÿ ìíîãî ÷åãî. Ìîæò è ýòà øòóêà åñòü À ìíå ùàñ èíòåðåñíî êàê ýòî çàìóòèòü ïðîãðàììíî ÷åðåç VSTøêè Õîòÿ æåëåçíûé äèâàéñ òîæå èíòåðåñåí â âèäå ìàëåíüêîé ìîãó÷åé è íåäîðîãîé ïèäàëüêè
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Áåç òðóäà íå âûòàùèøü è äÿòëà èç äóïëà
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Òåìà: Re: gilmour in concert
Âðåìÿ: 31.05.2009 00:43 |
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Byzantium Fender/Vigier guitars Marshall amps/cabs TN Torpedo Live
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>Äà, î÷åíü ïîõîæå íà äèëåé. >Ïåäàëü ìîæò åãî ïðîñòî âêëþ÷àåò/âûêëþ÷àåò. Ãëàâíîå âêëþ÷èòü âîâðåìÿ > Ïåäàëü - ýòî ó íåãî ïåäàëü ãðîìêîñòè... ...âîçìîæíî ÷òî òàì âêëþ÷åíèå ýôôåêòà sound-on-sound ïðè íàæàòèè íîãîé(êàê íà êâàêóøêå Dunlop 95Q) |
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...Βυζαντινή Ρωμαίοι εδω ... Φαειτ τα σκαταμ.
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Òåìà: Re: gilmour in concert
Âðåìÿ: 31.05.2009 00:44 |
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âîò ïàðà ïðèìåðîâ, åñëè ïîêîïàòü "sound on sound" |
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Áåç òðóäà íå âûòàùèøü è äÿòëà èç äóïëà
óñòàë - óìðè ©Sir FlyingV |
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Òåìà: Re: gilmour in concert
Âðåìÿ: 31.05.2009 17:13 |
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Ýòî äèëåé, òîê ïåäàëüëü êîòîðîé îí íàæèìàåò îí âêëþ÷àåò áåñêîíå÷íóþ öåêëè÷íîñòü... ïðèìåðíî òàêîé çâóê ÿ íàêðóòè íà Èáàíöå DE7, íà âîïðîñ " Êàê? " îòâå÷àþ, ñòàâèòè ïîâòîðåíèÿ íà 3 ÷àñà, óðîâåíü íà 9 ÷àñîâ, ñêîðîñòü ïðèìåðíî òàêæå, âûñòàíàâëèâàèòå çàäåðæêó îò 110 è âêëþ÷àåì ðåæèì ýõî... äàëèå èãðàåì àêêîðä, îí çàöèêëèâàåòñÿ, è íà÷èíàåì îáûãðûâàòü åãî, ïîëó÷àåòñÿ ñóïåð! Íå Ãèëìîð íî ñóïåð!
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There are not guitarists, there are musicians playing on a guitar!
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Òåìà: Re: gilmour in concert
Âðåìÿ: 31.05.2009 21:28 |
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Byzantium Fender/Vigier guitars Marshall amps/cabs TN Torpedo Live
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>Ýòî äèëåé, òîê ïåäàëüëü êîòîðîé îí íàæèìàåò îí âêëþ÷àåò áåñêîíå÷íóþ öåêëè÷íîñòü... ïðèìåðíî òàêîé çâóê ÿ íàêðóòè íà Èáàíöå DE7, íà âîïðîñ " Êàê? " îòâå÷àþ, ñòàâèòè ïîâòîðåíèÿ íà 3 ÷àñà, óðîâåíü íà 9 ÷àñîâ, ñêîðîñòü ïðèìåðíî òàêæå, âûñòàíàâëèâàèòå çàäåðæêó îò 110 è âêëþ÷àåì ðåæèì ýõî... çàäåðæêà 110 - ýòî ìàëî, òàì çàäåðæêà áîëüøå...ãîðàçäî áîëüøå |
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...Βυζαντινή Ρωμαίοι εδω ... Φαειτ τα σκαταμ.
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Òåìà: Re: gilmour in concert
Âðåìÿ: 31.05.2009 23:35 |
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Íàîáîðîò íîðìàëüíî, åñëè ñäåëàòü áîëüøå òî ïîëó÷àåòñÿ ñîâñåì íå òî | |
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Òåìà: Re: gilmour in concert
Âðåìÿ: 01.06.2009 17:36 |
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Âïðèíöèïå òóò âñåì âñ¸ óæå ÿñíî BOSS DD6 ðåøàåò ïðîáëåìó
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There are not guitarists, there are musicians playing on a guitar!
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Òåìà: Re: gilmour in concert
Âðåìÿ: 01.06.2009 18:14 |
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Byzantium Fender/Vigier guitars Marshall amps/cabs TN Torpedo Live
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>Âïðèíöèïå òóò âñåì âñ¸ óæå ÿñíî BOSS DD6 ðåøàåò ïðîáëåìó ... Âîò Ãèëìîð - ëîõ..... åìó áû DD6 þçàòü, è íèêàêèõ ïðîáëåì - à îí çàìîðà÷èâàåòñÿ... 
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Òåìà: Re: gilmour in concert
Âðåìÿ: 07.06.2009 18:27 |
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>>Âïðèíöèïå òóò âñåì âñ¸ óæå ÿñíî BOSS DD6 ðåøàåò ïðîáëåìó > > >... Âîò Ãèëìîð - ëîõ..... åìó áû DD6 þçàòü, è íèêàêèõ ïðîáëåì - à îí çàìîðà÷èâàåòñÿ... À êàê îí çàìîðà÷èâàåòñÿ? Ó íåãî ðàçâå íå DD6? |
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Áåç òðóäà íå âûòàùèøü è äÿòëà èç äóïëà
óñòàë - óìðè ©Sir FlyingV |
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Òåìà: Re: gilmour in concert
Âðåìÿ: 07.06.2009 18:38 |
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Byzantium Fender/Vigier guitars Marshall amps/cabs TN Torpedo Live
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>>>Âïðèíöèïå òóò âñåì âñ¸ óæå ÿñíî BOSS DD6 ðåøàåò ïðîáëåìó >> >> >>... Âîò Ãèëìîð - ëîõ..... åìó áû DD6 þçàòü, è íèêàêèõ ïðîáëåì - à îí çàìîðà÷èâàåòñÿ... >À êàê îí çàìîðà÷èâàåòñÿ? >Ó íåãî ðàçâå íå DD6? DD6.... Ýòî âñ¸, ÷òî ó íåãî åñòü....
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Òåìà: Re: gilmour in concert
Âðåìÿ: 07.06.2009 18:45 |
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Ìîñêâà
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Äà ÿñíî, ÷òî íå âñ¸. Êòî-òü ìîæåò îïèñàòü, êàê êîíêðåòíî îí ýòîò ýôôåêò áàöàë.  ñìûñëå êàêèìè ïðèìî÷êàìè èìåííî? Ñ ïåäàëüþ ãðîìêîñòè âðîäå ðàçîáðàëèñü. |
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óñòàë - óìðè ©Sir FlyingV |
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Òåìà: Re: gilmour in concert
Âðåìÿ: 07.06.2009 19:03 |
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Byzantium Fender/Vigier guitars Marshall amps/cabs TN Torpedo Live
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>Äà ÿñíî, ÷òî íå âñ¸. >Êòî-òü ìîæåò îïèñàòü, êàê êîíêðåòíî îí ýòîò ýôôåêò áàöàë.  ñìûñëå êàêèìè ïðèìî÷êàìè èìåííî? >Ñ ïåäàëüþ ãðîìêîñòè âðîäå ðàçîáðàëèñü. à òû çàìåòèë, ÷òî ýòîò çâóê(êîòîðûé çâó÷èò sound-on-sound) çâó÷èò íå êàê àêêóñòèêà(ãèòàðà)??? Ñàì çâóê äðóãîé... À èãðàåò îí íà àêêóñòèêå, è ñîîòâåòñòâóþùèé àêêîðä áåð¸ò íà àêêóñòèêå(êîòîðûé ïîòîì çâó÷èò sound-on-sound)... è øíóð èç àêêóñòèêè èä¸ò îäèí... Âûâîä - ......Âàøè ïðåäëîæåíèÿ, ñýð
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Òåìà: Re: gilmour in concert
Âðåìÿ: 07.06.2009 19:29 |
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Ùàñ çàìåòèë Ïîõîæå, ÷òî-òî òèïà õîðóñ èëè åù¸ ÷¸òà ïîâåðõ ãèòàðû è âûäåëåíà òîëüêî ñåðåäèíû. Âîò îíî è çàöûêëåíî. |
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Áåç òðóäà íå âûòàùèøü è äÿòëà èç äóïëà
óñòàë - óìðè ©Sir FlyingV |
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Òåìà: Re: gilmour in concert
Âðåìÿ: 07.06.2009 23:29 |
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À ïîìîéìó îí ïðîñòî çàöèêëèâàåò çâóê, à òàê êàê îí ïðîõîäèò òàêóþ îðîáóäêó, îòòóäà è öèôðîâîé çâóê... | |
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Òåìà: Re: gilmour in concert
Âðåìÿ: 09.06.2009 19:21 |
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>Âûâîä - ......Âàøè ïðåäëîæåíèÿ, ñýð ... >Ïîõîæå, ÷òî-òî òèïà õîðóñ èëè åù¸ ÷¸òà ïîâåðõ ãèòàðû è âûäåëåíà òîëüêî ñåðåäèíû. Âîò îíî è çàöûêëåíî. Íó äûê äàâàé ïðàâèëüíûé îòâåò-òî 
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Áåç òðóäà íå âûòàùèøü è äÿòëà èç äóïëà
óñòàë - óìðè ©Sir FlyingV |
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Òåìà: Re: gilmour in concert
Âðåìÿ: 09.06.2009 19:30 |
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Byzantium Fender/Vigier guitars Marshall amps/cabs TN Torpedo Live
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>Ùàñ çàìåòèë >Ïîõîæå, ÷òî-òî òèïà õîðóñ èëè åù¸ ÷¸òà ïîâåðõ ãèòàðû è âûäåëåíà òîëüêî ñåðåäèíû. Âîò îíî è çàöûêëåíî. Òàì íå ïðîñòî õîðóñ - òàì åù¸ åñòü(ïîìèìî õîðóñà).... ÷òî-òî ñèíòåçàòîðíîå ÿâíî ïðèñóòñòâóåò..... íî øíóð èç ãèòàðû(àêóñòèêè) îäèí |
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>>Ùàñ çàìåòèë >>Ïîõîæå, ÷òî-òî òèïà õîðóñ èëè åù¸ ÷¸òà ïîâåðõ ãèòàðû è âûäåëåíà òîëüêî ñåðåäèíû. Âîò îíî è çàöûêëåíî. > > >Òàì íå ïðîñòî õîðóñ - òàì åù¸ åñòü(ïîìèìî õîðóñà).... ÷òî-òî ñèíòåçàòîðíîå ÿâíî ïðèñóòñòâóåò..... >íî øíóð èç ãèòàðû(àêóñòèêè) îäèí Íàñ÷¸ò ñèíòà íå çíàþ. Ïî-ìîåìó ïîõîæå ïðîñòî íà îáðåçàíûå âåðõ, íèç, è òèïà õîðóñà ÷òî-òî äëÿ ïëîòíîñòè è âñ¸. À øíóð îäèí, çà÷åì äâà-òî? Äàëüøå èä¸ò ðàçäåëåíèå ñèãíàëà - îäèí ÷åðåç îáðàáîòêó+äèëåé - çâó÷èò ïîäëîæêîé, âòîðîé îñíîâíîé, òèïà äëÿ ñîëî
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>Êóðèòå > >Âîò íà ýòîé ñòðàíèöå â îáùåì îáúÿñíåíèå SoS Ñïàñèáî çà ññûëü. ß ïðèìåðíî òàê ñåáå ýòî è ïðåäñòàâëÿë. Òîêà îñòà¸òñÿ óòî÷íèòü ïàðàìåòðû/ðåæèì äèëåÿ. 1500ìñ íà 20ñ - ýòî êàê ïîíÿòü? "Roland digital delay, which is set to 1500ms lasting about 20 seconds" ×òî ýòî çà äâà âðåìåíè? È âòîðàÿ õèòðîñòü - ïåäàëü ãðîìêîñòè ïðè íàæàòèè íå òîëüêî ïóñêàåò çâóê â öåïü "ïîäëîæêè", íî è îáðóáàåò çâóê èç öåïè ñîëî. Âîò êàê ýòî ðàáîòàåò? Ìîæò òàì õèòðûé ñïëèòòåð "A/B router unit made by Pete Cornish", êîòîðûé ïðè êàêîì-òî ñîïðîòèâëåíèè â îäíîé èç öåïåé îáðóáàåò äðóãóþ. 
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>>>Ùàñ çàìåòèë >>>Ïîõîæå, ÷òî-òî òèïà õîðóñ èëè åù¸ ÷¸òà ïîâåðõ ãèòàðû è âûäåëåíà òîëüêî ñåðåäèíû. Âîò îíî è çàöûêëåíî. >> >> >>Òàì íå ïðîñòî õîðóñ - òàì åù¸ åñòü(ïîìèìî õîðóñà).... ÷òî-òî ñèíòåçàòîðíîå ÿâíî ïðèñóòñòâóåò..... >>íî øíóð èç ãèòàðû(àêóñòèêè) îäèí >Íàñ÷¸ò ñèíòà íå çíàþ. Ïî-ìîåìó ïîõîæå ïðîñòî íà îáðåçàíûå âåðõ, íèç, è òèïà õîðóñà ÷òî-òî äëÿ ïëîòíîñòè è âñ¸. Ïðîñòî îáðåçàííûì âåðõîì è íèçîì òàêîé çâóê íå ïîëó÷èøü(ñ õîðóñîì) - àêóñòèêó áûëî áû ñëûøíî ïî-ëþáîìó. À ó íåãî çâóê áîëåå ïîõîæ íà ïýäîâûé(êëàâèøíûé)... >À øíóð îäèí, çà÷åì äâà-òî? Äàëüøå èä¸ò ðàçäåëåíèå ñèãíàëà - îäèí ÷åðåç îáðàáîòêó+äèëåé - çâó÷èò ïîäëîæêîé, âòîðîé îñíîâíîé, òèïà äëÿ ñîëî ýòî ïîíÿòíî. (ïåäàëü ãðîìêîñòè ñòîèò â êîíöå öåïè) |
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Äà íó êàêîé Ãèëìîð è ñèíòåçàòîð )) Â Roland SDE-3000 ïðèñóòñòâóþò delay phase, filter, modulation and feedback modulation , ýòî íàâåðíîå è äàåò òàêîé ìîäóëèðîâàíûé çâóê | |
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>Ïðîñòî îáðåçàííûì âåðõîì è íèçîì òàêîé çâóê íå ïîëó÷èøü(ñ õîðóñîì) - àêóñòèêó áûëî áû ñëûøíî ïî-ëþáîìó. À ó íåãî çâóê áîëåå ïîõîæ íà ïýäîâûé(êëàâèøíûé)... Òû èìååøü ââèäó äèíàìèêó èëè íàñûùåííîñòü? Ìîæò êàêîé-òü ñóñòåéíåéð/êîìïðåññîð. À ïî íàñûùåííîñòè > Roland SDE-3000 ïðèñóòñòâóþò delay phase, filter, modulation and feedback modulation , ýòî íàâåðíîå è äàåò òàêîé ìîäóëèðîâàíûé çâóê ß òàê è íå äîãîíþ ñ íàñòðîéêàìè: òóò ïèøóò Roland digital delay unit with long repeats at 1500ms (20sec sustained repeats) Ñêàæåì åñëè âçÿòü îáû÷íûé äèëåé, èëè òèïà BOSS DD-6, òàì åñòü âðåìÿ çàäåðæêè - âðåìÿ ìåæäó ïîâòîðàìè, âðîäå òàê... Âîïðîñ ÷òî çà âòîðîå âðåìÿ 20 ñåêóíä è êàê ñäåëàòü, ÷òîáû çâóê íå çàâîäèëñÿ îò äëèòåëüíûõ ïîâòîðîâ, òèïà ñ FeedBack'îì ÷¸òà êàê-òî íàäî íàðóëèòü. >>À øíóð îäèí, çà÷åì äâà-òî? Äàëüøå èä¸ò ðàçäåëåíèå ñèãíàëà - îäèí ÷åðåç îáðàáîòêó+äèëåé - çâó÷èò ïîäëîæêîé, âòîðîé îñíîâíîé, òèïà äëÿ ñîëî >ýòî ïîíÿòíî. (ïåäàëü ãðîìêîñòè ñòîèò â êîíöå öåïè) íó äà, ýòî ïîíÿòíî, íî íå ïîíÿòíî, êàê âêëþ÷àÿ ïåäàëüþ çâóê SOS îí îòðóáàåò ñîëî è íàîáîðîò. à ìîæò ôèøêà â ïåäàëå ãðîìêîñòè îò ßéöåâ Ýðíè: "A tuner output is provided and allows silent tuning when the pedal is in the heel down position." Òî åñòü â íåé 2 âûõîäà, âòîðîé íà òþíåð, âèäèìî Ãèëìîð åãî è èñïîëüçóåò äëÿ öåïè "ñîëî". |
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Ïåäàëü íå â êîíöå öåïè )) èáî äèëýé äîëæåí ïðèíÿòü ïëàâíûé âúåçä òîãäà áóäåò ýôôåêò ïýäà . Êîðíèøü òàì ÷åãî òîëüêî åìó íå äåëàë , ïåäàëü ABY íå ïðîáëåìà íàâåðíîå òîæå Íî Òóò æåøü ñàìàÿ çàãàäêà ÷òî â ýòîì Pete Cornish “Sound on Sound” unit èç íåãî òîëüêî ïîòîì èäåâ â roland delay )
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>20 ñåêóíä ýòî ïðî ôèäáåê ÿ äóìàþ , òèïà òÿíó÷êà íà 20 ñåê . Ôèäáåê ðàçâå â ñåêóíäàõ èçìåðÿåòñÿ? Îí â êîëè÷åñòâàõ ïîâòîðîâ èçìåðÿåòñÿ. >Ïåäàëü íå â êîíöå öåïè )) èáî äèëýé äîëæåí ïðèíÿòü ïëàâíûé âúåçä òîãäà áóäåò ýôôåêò ïýäà .  >Íî Òóò æåøü ñàìàÿ çàãàäêà ÷òî â ýòîì Pete Cornish “Sound on Sound” unit èç íåãî òîëüêî ïîòîì èäåâ â roland delay ) Ñóäÿ ïî òåêñòó: " The signal travels to the Sound on Sound unit (basically a A/B router unit made by Pete Cornish) and into the Roland digital delay," òî åñòü SOS unit Êîðíèøà - ýòî è åñòü A/B router Ïî ñìûñëó òàì êàê ðàç íè÷åãî âîëøåáíîãî íåòó, çà èñêëþ÷åíèåì (âîçìîæíî) âêëþ÷åíèÿ îäíîé öåïè ïðè îòêëþ÷åíèè äðóãîé, åñëè ýòî íå äåëàåò ïåäàëü ãðîìêîñòè, êàê ÿ ãîâîðèë âûøå. Ïî èäåå ýòî ïðîñòî ðàçäåëèòåëü ñèãíàëà.
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>à áëèí ýòî ñîáñíà âîò . æàëü, ÷òî ñõåìû íåòó. Íî òóò ìîæíî òîêà äîãàäûâàòüñÿ. ×åãî êóäà. Åñëè 3õ êîíòàêòíûé ðàçú¸ì ïåäàëè ãðîìêîñòè èñïîëüçóåòñÿ íà âñå 3 êîíòàêòà, òî âîçìîæíî êàê ðàç òàêèì ïóò¸ì îíà ïðèáàâëÿÿ îäíó öåïü óáàâëÿåò äðóãóþ. Íî ïî èäåå ýòî ìîæíî ñäåëàòü ïðîñòî ïåäàëüþ Éàéöåâ Ýðíè
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