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Òåìà: gilmour in concert
Âðåìÿ: 26.05.2009 19:39 |
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íó êàê çíàòîêè, ïîêàæèòå ñâîþ ñèëó, îïðåäåëèòå, ÷òî çà ýôôåêò èñïîëüçóåò ñòàðèíà Ãèëìîð â ýòîì âèäåî http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m-NLgriO-Io ÿ ïðî çâóê, ïîÿâëÿþùèéñÿ ïðè ðàáîòå ãðîìêîñòè. ñàì ñêëîíÿëñÿ ê ìíåíèþ, ÷òî ìèäè äàò÷èê, íî ÷åòà ïðîâîäîâ ëèøíèõ, äà è äàò÷èêà íå çàìåòèë |
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Òåìà: Re: gilmour in concert
Âðåìÿ: 26.05.2009 20:07 |
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Ìîñêâà Ãèòàðà  
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òóò ÷åòî òàêîå îáñóæäàëè 
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Òåìà: Re: gilmour in concert
Âðåìÿ: 26.05.2009 20:14 |
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Ìîñêâà Ãèòàðà
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â êàìåíòàõ ê ãèëìîðó íà þòóáå åñòü êîé ÷å åñëè ïðîáåæàòüñÿ basically, hes using a sound-on-sound effect into a roland delay which is producing very long delay (1500 ms, 20 secs). hes got his effects are in order like this... effects board- volume (a/b router)- one for his normal hiwatt amp, the other to the sound-on-sound then to his roland delay to another hiwatt amp (SOS)... creating a looping effect without the roland delay goin thru his normal solo/rhythm guitar... does it make sense? íó è òàì åùå ÷åòî
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Òåìà: Re: gilmour in concert
Âðåìÿ: 26.05.2009 22:51 |
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Byzantium Fender/Vigier guitars Marshall amps/cabs TN Torpedo Live 
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>â êàìåíòàõ ê ãèëìîðó íà þòóáå åñòü êîé ÷å åñëè ïðîáåæàòüñÿ > >basically, hes using a sound-on-sound effect into a roland delay which is producing very long delay (1500 ms, 20 secs). hes got his effects are in order like this... effects board- volume (a/b router)- one for his normal hiwatt amp, the other to the sound-on-sound then to his roland delay to another hiwatt amp (SOS)... creating a looping effect without the roland delay goin thru his normal solo/rhythm guitar... does it make sense? > ïîõîæå íà ïðàâäó...
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Òåìà: Re: gilmour in concert
Âðåìÿ: 26.05.2009 22:55 |
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Õì. Íàäî ïîïðîáîâàòü ñîîðóäèòü òàêîå â áûòîâûõ óñëîâèÿõ. Äóìàþ, íóæåí òîëüêî ðàçâåòâèòåëü ñèãíàëà, à â îäíó èç öåïåé ïåäàëü ãðîìêîñòè è ðåâåð ìîùíûé. | |
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Òåìà: Re: gilmour in concert
Âðåìÿ: 26.05.2009 23:18 |
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Byzantium Fender/Vigier guitars Marshall amps/cabs TN Torpedo Live
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>Õì. Íàäî ïîïðîáîâàòü ñîîðóäèòü òàêîå â áûòîâûõ óñëîâèÿõ. Äóìàþ, íóæåí òîëüêî ðàçâåòâèòåëü ñèãíàëà, à â îäíó èç öåïåé ïåäàëü ãðîìêîñòè è ðåâåð ìîùíûé. òàì íå ðåâåð, à äèëåé...... ...ÿ ïîõîæèé çâóê äåëàë êîãäà ó ìåíÿ áûë Roland 501-é. |
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Òåìà: Re: gilmour in concert
Âðåìÿ: 27.05.2009 00:37 |
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À òîëüêî ó ìåíÿ çâóê îïàçäûâàåò íà âèäåî? 
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Òåìà: Re: gilmour in concert
Âðåìÿ: 27.05.2009 01:45 |
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Ó ìåíÿ òîæ... =\\ | |
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Òåìà: Re: gilmour in concert
Âðåìÿ: 27.05.2009 07:26 |
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Byzantium Fender/Vigier guitars Marshall amps/cabs TN Torpedo Live
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>À òîëüêî ó ìåíÿ çâóê îïàçäûâàåò íà âèäåî? ñèíõðîíèçàöèÿ ñúåõàëà(çâóêà ñ êàðòèíêîé) ....òàêîå áûâàåò |
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Òåìà: Re: gilmour in concert
Âðåìÿ: 28.05.2009 00:39 |
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Ìîñêâà Betacam SP 
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>Õì. Íàäî ïîïðîáîâàòü ñîîðóäèòü òàêîå â áûòîâûõ óñëîâèÿõ. Äóìàþ, íóæåí òîëüêî ðàçâåòâèòåëü ñèãíàëà, à â îäíó èç öåïåé ïåäàëü ãðîìêîñòè è ðåâåð ìîùíûé. Lex, åñëè ñäåëàåøü, ðàññêàæåøü? Î÷åíü õî÷åòñÿ òàêóþ ïåäàëü, à ñóòü, êàê ýòî ñäåëàíî, ïîíÿòü íå ìîãó ) |
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Ïðîñíèñü, íà âîñòîêå óæå âñòàëî ïèâî.
Ñìîòðè, ðÿäîì ñ ïèâîì çàáðåçæèëî ñîëíöå. Ó÷òè, ýòî ñîëíöå ñåé÷àñ ñòàíåò áëþçîì. Ïîâåðü, ýòèõ áëþçîâ íàäîëãî íå õâàòèò... |
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Òåìà: Re: gilmour in concert
Âðåìÿ: 28.05.2009 00:53 |
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ìíå êàæåòñÿ ýòî ìîæíî ñäåëàòü çàäèëåèâ ïîñëåçâó÷èå àêêîðäà çàâåäÿ íà ïåäàëü ýêñïðåñèè êîëè÷åñòâî ïîâòîðåíèé ó äèëåÿ èëè íàæèìàÿ è îòæèìàÿ êíîïêó ðåïèò åñëè ó äèëåÿ åñòü êîëüöóþùàÿ ôóíêöèÿ ó òàéìôàêòîðà êñòàòè êîãäà þçàåøü ðåïèò - òî ÷òî èãðàåòñÿ ïîâåðõ èãðàåò óæå áåç çàäåðæêè òàê ÷òî ðàçâåòâèòåëÿ íå íàäî |
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Òåìà: Re: gilmour in concert
Âðåìÿ: 28.05.2009 15:46 |
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>>basically, hes using a sound-on-sound effect into a roland delay which is producing very long delay (1500 ms, 20 secs). hes got his effects are in order like this... effects board- volume (a/b router)- one for his normal hiwatt amp, the other to the sound-on-sound then to his roland delay to another hiwatt amp (SOS)... creating a looping effect without the roland delay goin thru his normal solo/rhythm guitar... does it make sense? >> > > >ïîõîæå íà ïðàâäó... >___________________________________________ À ïåðåâîäîì ïîäåëèòüñÿ íå õî÷åøü? 
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There are not guitarists, there are musicians playing on a guitar!
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Òåìà: Re: gilmour in concert
Âðåìÿ: 28.05.2009 15:46 |
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À ýôôåêò òàêîé ïîëó÷èòü áóäåò ðåàëüíî êðóòî!!!!!! | |
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Òåìà: Re: gilmour in concert
Âðåìÿ: 31.05.2009 00:36 |
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Äà, î÷åíü ïîõîæå íà äèëåé. Ïåäàëü ìîæò åãî ïðîñòî âêëþ÷àåò/âûêëþ÷àåò. Ãëàâíîå âêëþ÷èòü âîâðåìÿ Ó êîãî ïðîö åñòü ñ ïåäàëüþ - ìîæåòå ïîðûñêàòü, òàì äîëæíî íà ïåäàëü íàçíà÷àòüñÿ ìíîãî ÷åãî. Ìîæò è ýòà øòóêà åñòü À ìíå ùàñ èíòåðåñíî êàê ýòî çàìóòèòü ïðîãðàììíî ÷åðåç VSTøêè Õîòÿ æåëåçíûé äèâàéñ òîæå èíòåðåñåí â âèäå ìàëåíüêîé ìîãó÷åé è íåäîðîãîé ïèäàëüêè
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Áåç òðóäà íå âûòàùèøü è äÿòëà èç äóïëà
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Òåìà: Re: gilmour in concert
Âðåìÿ: 31.05.2009 00:43 |
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Byzantium Fender/Vigier guitars Marshall amps/cabs TN Torpedo Live
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>Äà, î÷åíü ïîõîæå íà äèëåé. >Ïåäàëü ìîæò åãî ïðîñòî âêëþ÷àåò/âûêëþ÷àåò. Ãëàâíîå âêëþ÷èòü âîâðåìÿ > Ïåäàëü - ýòî ó íåãî ïåäàëü ãðîìêîñòè... ...âîçìîæíî ÷òî òàì âêëþ÷åíèå ýôôåêòà sound-on-sound ïðè íàæàòèè íîãîé(êàê íà êâàêóøêå Dunlop 95Q) |
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Òåìà: Re: gilmour in concert
Âðåìÿ: 31.05.2009 00:44 |
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âîò ïàðà ïðèìåðîâ, åñëè ïîêîïàòü "sound on sound" |
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Áåç òðóäà íå âûòàùèøü è äÿòëà èç äóïëà
óñòàë - óìðè ©Sir FlyingV |
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Òåìà: Re: gilmour in concert
Âðåìÿ: 31.05.2009 17:13 |
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Ýòî äèëåé, òîê ïåäàëüëü êîòîðîé îí íàæèìàåò îí âêëþ÷àåò áåñêîíå÷íóþ öåêëè÷íîñòü... ïðèìåðíî òàêîé çâóê ÿ íàêðóòè íà Èáàíöå DE7, íà âîïðîñ " Êàê? " îòâå÷àþ, ñòàâèòè ïîâòîðåíèÿ íà 3 ÷àñà, óðîâåíü íà 9 ÷àñîâ, ñêîðîñòü ïðèìåðíî òàêæå, âûñòàíàâëèâàèòå çàäåðæêó îò 110 è âêëþ÷àåì ðåæèì ýõî... äàëèå èãðàåì àêêîðä, îí çàöèêëèâàåòñÿ, è íà÷èíàåì îáûãðûâàòü åãî, ïîëó÷àåòñÿ ñóïåð! Íå Ãèëìîð íî ñóïåð!
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Òåìà: Re: gilmour in concert
Âðåìÿ: 31.05.2009 21:28 |
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Byzantium Fender/Vigier guitars Marshall amps/cabs TN Torpedo Live
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>Ýòî äèëåé, òîê ïåäàëüëü êîòîðîé îí íàæèìàåò îí âêëþ÷àåò áåñêîíå÷íóþ öåêëè÷íîñòü... ïðèìåðíî òàêîé çâóê ÿ íàêðóòè íà Èáàíöå DE7, íà âîïðîñ " Êàê? " îòâå÷àþ, ñòàâèòè ïîâòîðåíèÿ íà 3 ÷àñà, óðîâåíü íà 9 ÷àñîâ, ñêîðîñòü ïðèìåðíî òàêæå, âûñòàíàâëèâàèòå çàäåðæêó îò 110 è âêëþ÷àåì ðåæèì ýõî... çàäåðæêà 110 - ýòî ìàëî, òàì çàäåðæêà áîëüøå...ãîðàçäî áîëüøå |
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Òåìà: Re: gilmour in concert
Âðåìÿ: 31.05.2009 23:35 |
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Íàîáîðîò íîðìàëüíî, åñëè ñäåëàòü áîëüøå òî ïîëó÷àåòñÿ ñîâñåì íå òî | |
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Òåìà: Re: gilmour in concert
Âðåìÿ: 01.06.2009 17:36 |
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Âïðèíöèïå òóò âñåì âñ¸ óæå ÿñíî BOSS DD6 ðåøàåò ïðîáëåìó
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Òåìà: Re: gilmour in concert
Âðåìÿ: 01.06.2009 18:14 |
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Byzantium Fender/Vigier guitars Marshall amps/cabs TN Torpedo Live
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>Âïðèíöèïå òóò âñåì âñ¸ óæå ÿñíî BOSS DD6 ðåøàåò ïðîáëåìó ... Âîò Ãèëìîð - ëîõ..... åìó áû DD6 þçàòü, è íèêàêèõ ïðîáëåì - à îí çàìîðà÷èâàåòñÿ... 
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Òåìà: Re: gilmour in concert
Âðåìÿ: 07.06.2009 18:27 |
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>>Âïðèíöèïå òóò âñåì âñ¸ óæå ÿñíî BOSS DD6 ðåøàåò ïðîáëåìó > > >... Âîò Ãèëìîð - ëîõ..... åìó áû DD6 þçàòü, è íèêàêèõ ïðîáëåì - à îí çàìîðà÷èâàåòñÿ... À êàê îí çàìîðà÷èâàåòñÿ? Ó íåãî ðàçâå íå DD6? |
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óñòàë - óìðè ©Sir FlyingV |
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Òåìà: Re: gilmour in concert
Âðåìÿ: 07.06.2009 18:38 |
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Byzantium Fender/Vigier guitars Marshall amps/cabs TN Torpedo Live
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>>>Âïðèíöèïå òóò âñåì âñ¸ óæå ÿñíî BOSS DD6 ðåøàåò ïðîáëåìó >> >> >>... Âîò Ãèëìîð - ëîõ..... åìó áû DD6 þçàòü, è íèêàêèõ ïðîáëåì - à îí çàìîðà÷èâàåòñÿ... >À êàê îí çàìîðà÷èâàåòñÿ? >Ó íåãî ðàçâå íå DD6? DD6.... Ýòî âñ¸, ÷òî ó íåãî åñòü....
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Òåìà: Re: gilmour in concert
Âðåìÿ: 07.06.2009 18:45 |
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Äà ÿñíî, ÷òî íå âñ¸. Êòî-òü ìîæåò îïèñàòü, êàê êîíêðåòíî îí ýòîò ýôôåêò áàöàë.  ñìûñëå êàêèìè ïðèìî÷êàìè èìåííî? Ñ ïåäàëüþ ãðîìêîñòè âðîäå ðàçîáðàëèñü. |
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óñòàë - óìðè ©Sir FlyingV |
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Òåìà: Re: gilmour in concert
Âðåìÿ: 07.06.2009 19:03 |
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Byzantium Fender/Vigier guitars Marshall amps/cabs TN Torpedo Live
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>Äà ÿñíî, ÷òî íå âñ¸. >Êòî-òü ìîæåò îïèñàòü, êàê êîíêðåòíî îí ýòîò ýôôåêò áàöàë.  ñìûñëå êàêèìè ïðèìî÷êàìè èìåííî? >Ñ ïåäàëüþ ãðîìêîñòè âðîäå ðàçîáðàëèñü. à òû çàìåòèë, ÷òî ýòîò çâóê(êîòîðûé çâó÷èò sound-on-sound) çâó÷èò íå êàê àêêóñòèêà(ãèòàðà)??? Ñàì çâóê äðóãîé... À èãðàåò îí íà àêêóñòèêå, è ñîîòâåòñòâóþùèé àêêîðä áåð¸ò íà àêêóñòèêå(êîòîðûé ïîòîì çâó÷èò sound-on-sound)... è øíóð èç àêêóñòèêè èä¸ò îäèí... Âûâîä - ......Âàøè ïðåäëîæåíèÿ, ñýð
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Òåìà: Re: gilmour in concert
Âðåìÿ: 07.06.2009 19:29 |
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Ùàñ çàìåòèë Ïîõîæå, ÷òî-òî òèïà õîðóñ èëè åù¸ ÷¸òà ïîâåðõ ãèòàðû è âûäåëåíà òîëüêî ñåðåäèíû. Âîò îíî è çàöûêëåíî. |
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óñòàë - óìðè ©Sir FlyingV |
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Òåìà: Re: gilmour in concert
Âðåìÿ: 07.06.2009 23:29 |
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À ïîìîéìó îí ïðîñòî çàöèêëèâàåò çâóê, à òàê êàê îí ïðîõîäèò òàêóþ îðîáóäêó, îòòóäà è öèôðîâîé çâóê... | |
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Òåìà: Re: gilmour in concert
Âðåìÿ: 09.06.2009 19:21 |
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>Âûâîä - ......Âàøè ïðåäëîæåíèÿ, ñýð ... >Ïîõîæå, ÷òî-òî òèïà õîðóñ èëè åù¸ ÷¸òà ïîâåðõ ãèòàðû è âûäåëåíà òîëüêî ñåðåäèíû. Âîò îíî è çàöûêëåíî. Íó äûê äàâàé ïðàâèëüíûé îòâåò-òî 
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Áåç òðóäà íå âûòàùèøü è äÿòëà èç äóïëà
óñòàë - óìðè ©Sir FlyingV |
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Òåìà: Re: gilmour in concert
Âðåìÿ: 09.06.2009 19:30 |
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Byzantium Fender/Vigier guitars Marshall amps/cabs TN Torpedo Live
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>Ùàñ çàìåòèë >Ïîõîæå, ÷òî-òî òèïà õîðóñ èëè åù¸ ÷¸òà ïîâåðõ ãèòàðû è âûäåëåíà òîëüêî ñåðåäèíû. Âîò îíî è çàöûêëåíî. Òàì íå ïðîñòî õîðóñ - òàì åù¸ åñòü(ïîìèìî õîðóñà).... ÷òî-òî ñèíòåçàòîðíîå ÿâíî ïðèñóòñòâóåò..... íî øíóð èç ãèòàðû(àêóñòèêè) îäèí |
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Òåìà: Re: gilmour in concert
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>>Ùàñ çàìåòèë >>Ïîõîæå, ÷òî-òî òèïà õîðóñ èëè åù¸ ÷¸òà ïîâåðõ ãèòàðû è âûäåëåíà òîëüêî ñåðåäèíû. Âîò îíî è çàöûêëåíî. > > >Òàì íå ïðîñòî õîðóñ - òàì åù¸ åñòü(ïîìèìî õîðóñà).... ÷òî-òî ñèíòåçàòîðíîå ÿâíî ïðèñóòñòâóåò..... >íî øíóð èç ãèòàðû(àêóñòèêè) îäèí Íàñ÷¸ò ñèíòà íå çíàþ. Ïî-ìîåìó ïîõîæå ïðîñòî íà îáðåçàíûå âåðõ, íèç, è òèïà õîðóñà ÷òî-òî äëÿ ïëîòíîñòè è âñ¸. À øíóð îäèí, çà÷åì äâà-òî? Äàëüøå èä¸ò ðàçäåëåíèå ñèãíàëà - îäèí ÷åðåç îáðàáîòêó+äèëåé - çâó÷èò ïîäëîæêîé, âòîðîé îñíîâíîé, òèïà äëÿ ñîëî
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>Êóðèòå > >Âîò íà ýòîé ñòðàíèöå â îáùåì îáúÿñíåíèå SoS Ñïàñèáî çà ññûëü. ß ïðèìåðíî òàê ñåáå ýòî è ïðåäñòàâëÿë. Òîêà îñòà¸òñÿ óòî÷íèòü ïàðàìåòðû/ðåæèì äèëåÿ. 1500ìñ íà 20ñ - ýòî êàê ïîíÿòü? "Roland digital delay, which is set to 1500ms lasting about 20 seconds" ×òî ýòî çà äâà âðåìåíè? È âòîðàÿ õèòðîñòü - ïåäàëü ãðîìêîñòè ïðè íàæàòèè íå òîëüêî ïóñêàåò çâóê â öåïü "ïîäëîæêè", íî è îáðóáàåò çâóê èç öåïè ñîëî. Âîò êàê ýòî ðàáîòàåò? Ìîæò òàì õèòðûé ñïëèòòåð "A/B router unit made by Pete Cornish", êîòîðûé ïðè êàêîì-òî ñîïðîòèâëåíèè â îäíîé èç öåïåé îáðóáàåò äðóãóþ. 
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>>>Ùàñ çàìåòèë >>>Ïîõîæå, ÷òî-òî òèïà õîðóñ èëè åù¸ ÷¸òà ïîâåðõ ãèòàðû è âûäåëåíà òîëüêî ñåðåäèíû. Âîò îíî è çàöûêëåíî. >> >> >>Òàì íå ïðîñòî õîðóñ - òàì åù¸ åñòü(ïîìèìî õîðóñà).... ÷òî-òî ñèíòåçàòîðíîå ÿâíî ïðèñóòñòâóåò..... >>íî øíóð èç ãèòàðû(àêóñòèêè) îäèí >Íàñ÷¸ò ñèíòà íå çíàþ. Ïî-ìîåìó ïîõîæå ïðîñòî íà îáðåçàíûå âåðõ, íèç, è òèïà õîðóñà ÷òî-òî äëÿ ïëîòíîñòè è âñ¸. Ïðîñòî îáðåçàííûì âåðõîì è íèçîì òàêîé çâóê íå ïîëó÷èøü(ñ õîðóñîì) - àêóñòèêó áûëî áû ñëûøíî ïî-ëþáîìó. À ó íåãî çâóê áîëåå ïîõîæ íà ïýäîâûé(êëàâèøíûé)... >À øíóð îäèí, çà÷åì äâà-òî? Äàëüøå èä¸ò ðàçäåëåíèå ñèãíàëà - îäèí ÷åðåç îáðàáîòêó+äèëåé - çâó÷èò ïîäëîæêîé, âòîðîé îñíîâíîé, òèïà äëÿ ñîëî ýòî ïîíÿòíî. (ïåäàëü ãðîìêîñòè ñòîèò â êîíöå öåïè) |
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Äà íó êàêîé Ãèëìîð è ñèíòåçàòîð )) Â Roland SDE-3000 ïðèñóòñòâóþò delay phase, filter, modulation and feedback modulation , ýòî íàâåðíîå è äàåò òàêîé ìîäóëèðîâàíûé çâóê | |
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>Ïðîñòî îáðåçàííûì âåðõîì è íèçîì òàêîé çâóê íå ïîëó÷èøü(ñ õîðóñîì) - àêóñòèêó áûëî áû ñëûøíî ïî-ëþáîìó. À ó íåãî çâóê áîëåå ïîõîæ íà ïýäîâûé(êëàâèøíûé)... Òû èìååøü ââèäó äèíàìèêó èëè íàñûùåííîñòü? Ìîæò êàêîé-òü ñóñòåéíåéð/êîìïðåññîð. À ïî íàñûùåííîñòè > Roland SDE-3000 ïðèñóòñòâóþò delay phase, filter, modulation and feedback modulation , ýòî íàâåðíîå è äàåò òàêîé ìîäóëèðîâàíûé çâóê ß òàê è íå äîãîíþ ñ íàñòðîéêàìè: òóò ïèøóò Roland digital delay unit with long repeats at 1500ms (20sec sustained repeats) Ñêàæåì åñëè âçÿòü îáû÷íûé äèëåé, èëè òèïà BOSS DD-6, òàì åñòü âðåìÿ çàäåðæêè - âðåìÿ ìåæäó ïîâòîðàìè, âðîäå òàê... Âîïðîñ ÷òî çà âòîðîå âðåìÿ 20 ñåêóíä è êàê ñäåëàòü, ÷òîáû çâóê íå çàâîäèëñÿ îò äëèòåëüíûõ ïîâòîðîâ, òèïà ñ FeedBack'îì ÷¸òà êàê-òî íàäî íàðóëèòü. >>À øíóð îäèí, çà÷åì äâà-òî? Äàëüøå èä¸ò ðàçäåëåíèå ñèãíàëà - îäèí ÷åðåç îáðàáîòêó+äèëåé - çâó÷èò ïîäëîæêîé, âòîðîé îñíîâíîé, òèïà äëÿ ñîëî >ýòî ïîíÿòíî. (ïåäàëü ãðîìêîñòè ñòîèò â êîíöå öåïè) íó äà, ýòî ïîíÿòíî, íî íå ïîíÿòíî, êàê âêëþ÷àÿ ïåäàëüþ çâóê SOS îí îòðóáàåò ñîëî è íàîáîðîò. à ìîæò ôèøêà â ïåäàëå ãðîìêîñòè îò ßéöåâ Ýðíè: "A tuner output is provided and allows silent tuning when the pedal is in the heel down position." Òî åñòü â íåé 2 âûõîäà, âòîðîé íà òþíåð, âèäèìî Ãèëìîð åãî è èñïîëüçóåò äëÿ öåïè "ñîëî". |
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Ïåäàëü íå â êîíöå öåïè )) èáî äèëýé äîëæåí ïðèíÿòü ïëàâíûé âúåçä òîãäà áóäåò ýôôåêò ïýäà . Êîðíèøü òàì ÷åãî òîëüêî åìó íå äåëàë , ïåäàëü ABY íå ïðîáëåìà íàâåðíîå òîæå Íî Òóò æåøü ñàìàÿ çàãàäêà ÷òî â ýòîì Pete Cornish “Sound on Sound” unit èç íåãî òîëüêî ïîòîì èäåâ â roland delay )
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>20 ñåêóíä ýòî ïðî ôèäáåê ÿ äóìàþ , òèïà òÿíó÷êà íà 20 ñåê . Ôèäáåê ðàçâå â ñåêóíäàõ èçìåðÿåòñÿ? Îí â êîëè÷åñòâàõ ïîâòîðîâ èçìåðÿåòñÿ. >Ïåäàëü íå â êîíöå öåïè )) èáî äèëýé äîëæåí ïðèíÿòü ïëàâíûé âúåçä òîãäà áóäåò ýôôåêò ïýäà .  >Íî Òóò æåøü ñàìàÿ çàãàäêà ÷òî â ýòîì Pete Cornish “Sound on Sound” unit èç íåãî òîëüêî ïîòîì èäåâ â roland delay ) Ñóäÿ ïî òåêñòó: " The signal travels to the Sound on Sound unit (basically a A/B router unit made by Pete Cornish) and into the Roland digital delay," òî åñòü SOS unit Êîðíèøà - ýòî è åñòü A/B router Ïî ñìûñëó òàì êàê ðàç íè÷åãî âîëøåáíîãî íåòó, çà èñêëþ÷åíèåì (âîçìîæíî) âêëþ÷åíèÿ îäíîé öåïè ïðè îòêëþ÷åíèè äðóãîé, åñëè ýòî íå äåëàåò ïåäàëü ãðîìêîñòè, êàê ÿ ãîâîðèë âûøå. Ïî èäåå ýòî ïðîñòî ðàçäåëèòåëü ñèãíàëà.
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>à áëèí ýòî ñîáñíà âîò . æàëü, ÷òî ñõåìû íåòó. Íî òóò ìîæíî òîêà äîãàäûâàòüñÿ. ×åãî êóäà. Åñëè 3õ êîíòàêòíûé ðàçú¸ì ïåäàëè ãðîìêîñòè èñïîëüçóåòñÿ íà âñå 3 êîíòàêòà, òî âîçìîæíî êàê ðàç òàêèì ïóò¸ì îíà ïðèáàâëÿÿ îäíó öåïü óáàâëÿåò äðóãóþ. Íî ïî èäåå ýòî ìîæíî ñäåëàòü ïðîñòî ïåäàëüþ Éàéöåâ Ýðíè
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>Ïåäàëü íå â êîíöå öåïè )) èáî äèëýé äîëæåí ïðèíÿòü ïëàâíûé âúåçä òîãäà áóäåò ýôôåêò ïýäà . ìîæåò áûòü è òàê.... íà ñàìîì äåëå âàðèàíòû ìîãóò áûòü... - òàê íå îòãàäàåøü... ìîæåò ýòî è SDE-3000... ìîæåò åù¸ ÷òî.... ÿ ÷óòü âûøå ïèñàë - ÿ òàêîå ïîõîæåå äåëàë íà Roland 501 - ñòàðûé ëåíòî÷íûé äèëåé ñ õîðóñîì - òàì åñòü âàðèàíò, òàê è íàçûâàåòñÿ Sound-On-Sound. Ãðîìêîñòüþ âúåçæàë íà ãèòàðå - volume. Ïîëó÷àëîñü ÷òî-òî òèïà ýòîãî(êàê ó íåãî). Ó íåãî, êàíåøíî, ïî-êðó÷å íàìó÷åíî ñî çâóêîì - òåì áîëåå ñ àêóñòèêîé. |
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Êàê íàäî íàñòðîèòü êàêîé-òü VST äèëåé ÷òîáû îí ïîâòîðÿë çâóê, êîòîðûé ñêàæåì ÿ âúåäó ðåàëüíîé ïåäàëüþ ãðîìêîñòè? Òî åñòü ïðåäïîëîæèì ÿ ïîñòàâëþ Delay Time 1500ms, òîãäà Feedback íàäî íà 1 ñòàâèòü? Èëè áåç ôèøêè S-o-S/HOLD áåñïîëåçíÿê ìóäðèòü? | |
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>Êàê íàäî íàñòðîèòü êàêîé-òü VST äèëåé ÷òîáû îí ïîâòîðÿë çâóê, êîòîðûé ñêàæåì ÿ âúåäó ðåàëüíîé ïåäàëüþ ãðîìêîñòè? Òî åñòü ïðåäïîëîæèì ÿ ïîñòàâëþ Delay Time 1500ms, òîãäà Feedback íàäî íà 1 ñòàâèòü? Èëè áåç ôèøêè S-o-S/HOLD áåñïîëåçíÿê ìóäðèòü? íà 1 ñòàâèòü - ìàëî áóäåò. Ïîäáèðàòü íàäî - íà ñêîëüêî äëèííûé òåáå íóæåí "õâîñò" äèëåÿ... ÷òîáû îí(õâîñò) óñïåë çàòèõíóòü ê ñëåäóþùåìó àêêîðäó... |
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ß ñëåãêà ïîïðîáîâàë - ëàæà êàêàÿ-òî. Ïðîáëåìà â òîì, ÷òî çâóê ïîëó÷àåòñÿ íå ðîâíûé "áåñêîíå÷íûé" à ëèáî ìîíîòîííî çàòóõàþùèé ïðè ìàëîì FB, ëèáî íàîáîðîò ðàçãîíÿþùèéñÿ ñîîòâåòñòâåííî ïðè áîëüøåì FB. À ó íåãî-òî êàæäûé ïîâòîð âðîäå êàê íå ïðèáàâëÿåòñÿ ê ïðåäûäóùåìó ïîâòîðó, à ïðîäîëæàåò åãî. Ìîæò ýòî êàê ðàç îñîáûé ðåæèì SOS, HOLD.  Ãëÿíóë ÿ òóò ìàíóëü ê BOSS DD-6: "With the HOLD function, you can record up to 5.2 seconds of your performance, and then have that content played back repeatedly. You can also layer this as you perform something else, then record these together (overdub). You can keep the recorded content playing continuously as backing and produce other special effects." Íàïîìèíàåò ëóïåð: çàïèñûâàåò êóñîê ïîêà ïåäàëü íàæàòà, îòæèìàåøü - ïåðåñòà¸ò ïèñàòü, íà÷èíàåò åãî èãðàòü. Êë¸âà. Õç ïðàâäà áóäåò ëè òàê æå ãëàäêî çâó÷àòü, íàäî áû ïîïðîáîâàòü. È ÷òî èíòåðåñíî: â ýòîì ðåæèìå íå äîñòóïíû íè Delay Time, íè FB... ÷òî âðîäå áû ëîãè÷íî, åñëè îíà ïðîñòî ïîâòîðÿåò. Çíà÷ò ìíå íóæåí ïëàãèí òèïà ëóïåðà êàêîãî-òî
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>ß ñëåãêà ïîïðîáîâàë - ëàæà êàêàÿ-òî. Ïðîáëåìà â òîì, ÷òî çâóê ïîëó÷àåòñÿ íå ðîâíûé "áåñêîíå÷íûé" à ëèáî ìîíîòîííî çàòóõàþùèé ïðè ìàëîì FB, ëèáî íàîáîðîò ðàçãîíÿþùèéñÿ ñîîòâåòñòâåííî ïðè áîëüøåì FB. À ó íåãî-òî êàæäûé ïîâòîð âðîäå êàê íå ïðèáàâëÿåòñÿ ê ïðåäûäóùåìó ïîâòîðó, à ïðîäîëæàåò åãî. Ìîæò ýòî êàê ðàç îñîáûé ðåæèì SOS, HOLD. >Ãëÿíóë ÿ òóò ìàíóëü ê BOSS DD-6: >"With the HOLD function, you can record up to >5.2 seconds of your performance, and then >have that content played back repeatedly. You >can also layer this as you perform something >else, then record these together (overdub). >You can keep the recorded content playing >continuously as backing and produce other >special effects." >Íàïîìèíàåò ëóïåð: çàïèñûâàåò êóñîê ïîêà ïåäàëü íàæàòà, îòæèìàåøü - ïåðåñòà¸ò ïèñàòü, íà÷èíàåò åãî èãðàòü. >Êë¸âà. Õç ïðàâäà áóäåò ëè òàê æå ãëàäêî çâó÷àòü, íàäî áû ïîïðîáîâàòü. >È ÷òî èíòåðåñíî: â ýòîì ðåæèìå íå äîñòóïíû íè Delay Time, íè FB... ÷òî âðîäå áû ëîãè÷íî, åñëè îíà ïðîñòî ïîâòîðÿåò. >Çíà÷ò ìíå íóæåí ïëàãèí òèïà ëóïåðà êàêîãî-òî Ýòî ïðîñòî çàïèñü íà 5 ñåêóíä. ïîòîì âîñïðîèçâîäèò è âñ¸. ñâåðõó ìîæåøü íàëîæèòü âñÿêîå(overdub).... Ýòî íå òî. ....Åñëè áû âñ¸ áûëî òàê ïðîñòî 
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>>Çíà÷ò ìíå íóæåí ïëàãèí òèïà ëóïåðà êàêîãî-òî >Ýòî ïðîñòî çàïèñü íà 5 ñåêóíä. ïîòîì âîñïðîèçâîäèò è âñ¸. ñâåðõó ìîæåøü íàëîæèòü âñÿêîå(overdub).... >Ýòî íå òî. >....Åñëè áû âñ¸ áûëî òàê ïðîñòî Äà óæ  íî, ÷òî èíòåðåñíî, áîñîâöû íàïèñàëè, ÷òî ýòî îíî :Features Amazing delay times, even allowing long delays of up to 5.2 seconds (*1). Even in HOLD mode, there is plenty of room for loop play and sound on sound. Ãîíþò íåáîñü. |
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Òåìà: Re: gilmour in concert
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Âîò åù¸ íåìíîæêî èíôû, íî íèôèãà íå ïðîÿñíÿåò  "There is also listed on your client list a Sound on Sound interface for David Gilmour...What is this? What does it do? This unit allows him to re-create the 30 second sustained guitar chord over which he soloed on acoustic guitar in "Shine On You Crazy Diamond" (Meltdown DVD) . This time the sustained chord will be produced by the electric guitar, with any effects that are available on the All Tube Pedalboard, and he can then solo over the chord with the same or different effects. The S-O-S Unit receives signal from the All Tube Pedalboard output and then sends it, suitably buffered etc. to a digital delay unit and from there on to a Vintage HiWatt 100W head/4 X 12 cab which is completely separate to the other Vintage HiWatts and cabs which are fed from the All Tube Pedalboard." |
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Áåç òðóäà íå âûòàùèøü è äÿòëà èç äóïëà
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Òåìà: Re: gilmour in concert
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>>>Çíà÷ò ìíå íóæåí ïëàãèí òèïà ëóïåðà êàêîãî-òî >>Ýòî ïðîñòî çàïèñü íà 5 ñåêóíä. ïîòîì âîñïðîèçâîäèò è âñ¸. ñâåðõó ìîæåøü íàëîæèòü âñÿêîå(overdub).... >>Ýòî íå òî. >>....Åñëè áû âñ¸ áûëî òàê ïðîñòî > >Äà óæ >íî, ÷òî èíòåðåñíî, áîñîâöû íàïèñàëè, ÷òî ýòî îíî : >Features >Amazing delay times, even allowing long delays of up to 5.2 seconds (*1). >Even in HOLD mode, there is plenty of room for loop play and sound on sound. >Ãîíþò íåáîñü. Äà ï¸ñ èõ çíàåò.... Ïîñèäè ïîêðóòè ïàðó íåäåëü - ïîòîì ðàññêàæåøü - îíî èëè íåîíî...
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Òåìà: Re: gilmour in concert
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>Âîò åù¸ íåìíîæêî èíôû, íî íèôèãà íå ïðîÿñíÿåò >http://home.comcast.net/~jroscoe/CornishQnA.html >"There is also listed on your client list a Sound on Sound interface for David Gilmour...What is this? What does it do? > >This unit allows him to re-create the 30 second sustained guitar chord over which he soloed on acoustic guitar in "Shine On You Crazy Diamond" (Meltdown DVD) . This time the sustained chord will be produced by the electric guitar, with any effects that are available on the All Tube Pedalboard, and he can then solo over the chord with the same or different effects. The S-O-S Unit receives signal from the All Tube Pedalboard output and then sends it, suitably buffered etc. to a digital delay unit and from there on to a Vintage HiWatt 100W head/4 X 12 cab which is completely separate to the other Vintage HiWatts and cabs which are fed from the All Tube Pedalboard." Íó âîò... 30 ñåêóíä õâîñò... "This time....produced by the electric guitar" - ýòî ðå÷ü èä¸ò î äðóãîì êîíöåðòå?? ׸ò íå ïîíÿë... Çäåñü(â òåìå) îí èãðàåò íà àêóñòèêå - è âñ¸ èä¸ò èç àêóñòèêè.... |
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Òåìà: Re: gilmour in concert
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Ëàäíî, ÿ ïîçâîíþ Äýâèäó - ñïðîøó... 
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This unit allows him to re-create the 30 second sustained guitar chord over which he soloed on acoustic guitar in "Shine On You Crazy Diamond" ïðî electric íàâåðíîå ïðîñòî îáüÿñíÿåò ïðèíöèï . |
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>Ëàäíî, ÿ ïîçâîíþ Äýâèäó - ñïðîøó... Äàâàé! È ïåðåäàâàé åìó ïðèâåò! 
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Áåç òðóäà íå âûòàùèøü è äÿòëà èç äóïëà
óñòàë - óìðè ©Sir FlyingV |
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ß åù¸ ïîñëóøàë. Ïîõîæå ïðèìåðíî êàê-òî òàê: Åãî ãèòàðà çàë... íó òî åñòü çàöèêëèâàåòñÿ è ïîâòîðÿåòñÿ êàæäûå 1,5 ñåêóíäû èëè îò íàæàòèÿ ïåäàëè äî îòïóñêàíèÿ - êàê â BOSS DD-6 ðåæèì HOLD. Äàëüøå ïîâåðõ ýòîãî íàêëàäûâàåòñÿ ìîäóëÿöèÿ - ôýéçåð èëè òàì âèáðàòî èëè òðåìåëî õç, â îáùåì ýòà øíÿãà äîáàâëÿåò ñâîè öèêëè÷åñêèå âîëíû, êîòîðûå ìàñêèðóþò öèêëè÷íîñòü ãèòàðíîãî ôðàãìåíòà (òèïà íàäóòü íàñ õîòåë - íå âûéäåò! ). È âîò ýòà õðåíîòà ïîñòåïåííî çàòóõàåò çà 25 ñåêóíä. Ïðè÷¸ì âðåìÿ çàòóõàíèÿ 25 ñåêóíä - ýòî êàêîé-òî îñîáûé ïàðàìåòð â ýòîì Roland SDE-3000 delay, êîòîðàÿ íå ÿâëÿåòñÿ "Delay time" è íå ÿâëÿåòñÿ FB. Ýòî õèòðûé ñïåöîâûé ïàðàìåòð èëè äàæå ïðîñòî Decay  îáùåì êàê-òî òàê Îñòàëîñü íàéòè ìàíóëü/òòõ Roland SDE-3000 delay è ïîñìîòðåòü åñòü ëè òàì òàêèå íàñòðîéêè è ìîäóëÿöèÿ 
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óñòàë - óìðè ©Sir FlyingV |
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Òåìà: Re: gilmour in concert
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À âîò ñîáñíà è ìàíóëü: | |
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Áåç òðóäà íå âûòàùèøü è äÿòëà èç äóïëà
óñòàë - óìðè ©Sir FlyingV |
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Òåìà: Re: gilmour in concert
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 îáùåì òàì åñòü ðåæèì HOLD è åñòü ìîäóëÿöèÿ ñî ñâîèì LFO. Ïðè ýòîì â ðåæèìå HOLD êàê è ó áîññà íå ðàáîòàåò Delay Time - òèïà âñ¸ ïî ïåäàëè. Çíà÷èò ýòî òîò æå ðåæèì HOLD, ÷òî è âî âñÿêîì ëóïåðå, íî çàìàñêèðîâàííûé ñâîåé ìîäóëÿöèåé   Õîòÿ íàñ÷¸ò çàòóõàíèÿ çà 25 ñåêóíä ïîêà íå ïîíÿë. Òàì åñòü óìíîæåíèå Delay Time òîëè äî 1,5 òîëè äî 15 ðàç (òàäà ïîëó÷àåòñÿ ãäå-òî 22ñ). Íî òîãäà ïîâòîðû áóäóò î÷åíü ðåäêèå - ýòî ÿâíî íå òî. Íàñòðîéêè çàòóõàíèÿ ÿ òàì ïîêà íå íàø¸ë 
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 îáùåì íà ñêîðóþ ðóêó ïîëó÷èëàñü êàêàÿ-òî òàêàÿ øíÿãà. Òàì êîíå÷íî íàäî âñ¸ àêêóðàòíåé. Ó ïåäàëü ãðîìêîñòè â îäíîì ìåñòå, à óïðàâëåíèå ëóïåðîì - êëàâà íà êîìïå...  Íàéòè áû êàêóþ-òü ñïåö ïåäàëüêó äëÿ êîìïà ïðîñòóþ, ÷òîáû çàïóñêàòü ýôôåêò. |
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óñòàë - óìðè ©Sir FlyingV |
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Òåìà: Re: gilmour in concert
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 ñìûñëå "Ó *ìåíÿ ïåäàëü ãðîìêîñòè... | |
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Áåç òðóäà íå âûòàùèøü è äÿòëà èç äóïëà
óñòàë - óìðè ©Sir FlyingV |
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Òåìà: Re: gilmour in concert
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>È âîò ýòà õðåíîòà ïîñòåïåííî çàòóõàåò çà 25 ñåêóíä ýòà õðåíîòà çàòóõàåò êîãäà îí íà ïåäàëü íàæèìàåò
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There are not guitarists, there are musicians playing on a guitar!
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Òåìà: Re: gilmour in concert
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>>È âîò ýòà õðåíîòà ïîñòåïåííî çàòóõàåò çà 25 ñåêóíä >ýòà õðåíîòà çàòóõàåò êîãäà îí íà ïåäàëü íàæèìàåò Ñîìíåâàþñü. Îíà äîâîëüíî ìåäëåííî çàòóõàåò. Ñåêóíä 5. Ëèáî îí 5 ñåêóíä å¸ ìåäëåííî ïîäíèìàåò (à íå íàæèìàåò), ëèáî àâòîìàòîì (ê ýòîìó ÿ áîëüøå ñêëîíÿþñü). Ëèáî îí å¸ îòïóñêàåò è 5 ñåêóíä äèëåé îñëàáåâàåò àâòîìàòîì... |
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Òåìà: Re: gilmour in concert
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Äà, åù¸ ðàç ïîñìîòðåë âèäåî: Îí ïåäàëü íàæèìàåò îäèí ðàç çà öèêë, êîãäà ââîäèò ãèòàðó. Ïîòîì ñåêóíäû ÷åðåç 2 ïîäíèìàåò îáðàòíî. Ïîòîì íèôèãà íå òðîãàåò, èíîãäà îò áîðäà âàùå îòõîäèò. Òåì âðåìåíåì çâóê ïîäëîæêè çàòèõàåò. Ïîòîì îí âîçâðàùàåòñÿ è ââîäèò ñëåäóþùèé àêêîðä. Ìîæåò áûòü îí èñïîëüçóåò ïåäàëü ãðîìêîñòè Ernie Ball ñ ïåðåêëþ÷àòåëåì Volume Pedal / Switch. Òîãäà îí ïåäàëüþ ñíà÷àëà ìÿãêî ââîäèò çâóê, à íà ôèíàëüíîì äâèæåíèè âêëþ÷àåòñÿ ðåæèì HOLD ó äèëåÿ. Ïîòîì ÷åðåç ïàðó ñåêóíä îòêëþ÷àåòñÿ è íà÷èíàåò çàöèêëèâàòü. Âîïðîñ 25-ñåêóíäíîãî çàòóõàíèÿ ïîêà íå ðàñêðûò
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Òåìà: Re: gilmour in concert
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Òåìà: Re: gilmour in concert
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ß ñìîòðåë äðóãîå âèäåî, îí íàæèìàåò ïåäàëü... äåðæèò å¸, ïîòîì êîãäà çâóê íà÷èíàåò çàòóõàòü îí å¸ íàæèìàåò è äåëàåò íîâûé öèêë... õîòÿ íà ýòîì âèäåî îí äåéñòâèòåëüíî îòõîäèò.. ìîæåò íàñ íà¸ïûâàþò è òàì êòîò íà ñèíòåçàòîðå ñèäèò ìû âîò ñ äðóãîíîì å¸ òàê èãðàëè ïîëó÷èëîñü ïðèêîëüíî, ïðè÷¸ì çâóê îäèí â îäèí ñòðîèëè
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There are not guitarists, there are musicians playing on a guitar!
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Òåìà: Re: gilmour in concert
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Íåíå, îí å¸ èìåííî íàæèìàåò, äåðæèò òîëüêî ïàðó ñåêóíä!, ïîòîì ïîäíèìàåò, ïîòîì îòõîäèò. Êîãäà çâóê çàòóõàåò - ó íåãî ïåäàëü ââåðõ, è îí å¸ íå òðîãàåò. >ìû âîò ñ äðóãîíîì å¸ òàê èãðàëè ïîëó÷èëîñü ïðèêîëüíî, ïðè÷¸ì çâóê îäèí â îäèí ñòðîèëè òàê - ýòî êàê? Êàêèå æåëåçêè, ÷åãî äàâèëè, êàê íàñòðàèâàëè? |
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Òåìà: Re: gilmour in concert
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Åæîâûé Ãëàç, íå ïàðü ìîçã ñäåëàé âîò òàê êàê ó ÷åëà, ðåçóëüòàò î÷åíü ïîõîæ ... |
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Òåìà: Re: gilmour in concert
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>Åæîâûé Ãëàç, íå ïàðü ìîçã ñäåëàé âîò òàê êàê ó ÷åëà, ðåçóëüòàò î÷åíü ïîõîæ ... >http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kke2FI4Kno0 î÷åíü ïîõîæå |
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Òåìà: Re: gilmour in concert
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Äà, ïîõîæå. Æàëü ù¸ëêàåò øíÿãà êàêàÿ-òî. Âèäåë óæå ñàáæ, íî íå êîïàë. Ùà êîïíóë: ó íåãî âàùå âñ¸ ïðîñòî, êàê ãåíèàëüíîå. Âìåñòî HOLDà îáû÷íûé äèëåé Delay Time 1500ìñ, FB 78, Level (mix íàâåðíî) 80. Çàòóõàåò ïîñòåïåííî, ãäå-òî ïîñëå 15 ñåêóíäû óæå äîâîëüíî òèõî.  îáùåì ïîõîæå. |
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Òåìà: Re: gilmour in concert
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Åæîâûé Ãëàç îí íà ñâî¸ì êàññèî ÷åãîò íàêðóòèë, ÿ ïðîñòî äèëåé âêëþ÷àë è âñ¸! îí áðàë àêêîðä ÿ íà íåãî èãðàë, âñ¸ ãåíèàëüíî ïðîñòî èëè òå íàäî â ïëîòü äî íàñòðîåê?:
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Êàñèî - êëàâèøè ÷òîëè? Íå, äî íàñòðîåê íå íàäî. Ïðîñòî ïðèíöèï: îáû÷íûé äèëåé ñ áîëüøèì feedback'îì, êàê òóò: èëè äèëåé â ðåæèìå ëóïåðà, òèïà Hold è âñ¸ òàêîå? Ñêîðåå âñåãî, ðàç ó âàñ çàòèõàë - òî ïåðâûé âàðèàíò, è ïîõîæå, ÷òî ó Ãèëìîðà òîæå ïåðâûé. |
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óñòàë - óìðè ©Sir FlyingV |
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Òåìà: Re: gilmour in concert
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>òàì êòîò íà ñèíòåçàòîðå ñèäèò ìû âîò ñ äðóãîíîì å¸ òàê èãðàëè ïîëó÷èëîñü ïðèêîëüíî, ïðè÷¸ì çâóê îäèí â îäèí ñòðîèëè ÷èòàé âíèìàòåëüíåé ñêàçàëæå íà ñèíòåçå
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Òåìà: Re: gilmour in concert
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à, íó äà. Ñèíò. íî ýòî íå èíòåðåñíî Äëÿ ñèíòà âñÿ ýòà òåìà íå íóæíà - ïðîñòî ïàëüöàìè êëàâèøè âäàâèë - è ïîëó÷èë ïîäëîæêó ñî çâóêîì ñèíòà
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Òåìà: Re: gilmour in concert
Âðåìÿ: 14.06.2009 14:16 |
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äûê âîò ÿ ÷¸ è ãîâîðþ, ìîæåò ó íåãî êòî òàì íà ñèíòå èãðàåò! | |
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There are not guitarists, there are musicians playing on a guitar!
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Òåìà: Re: gilmour in concert
Âðåìÿ: 14.06.2009 14:30 |
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Áåç òðóäà íå âûòàùèøü è äÿòëà èç äóïëà
óñòàë - óìðè ©Sir FlyingV |
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Òåìà: Re: gilmour in concert
Âðåìÿ: 14.06.2009 15:10 |
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âîùåì ìî¸ ìíåíèå ¹1, îí íàæèìàåò ïåäàëü, òîåñòü ïîñòàâèë íà öèêë, êîãäà îïóñòèë öèêë ïðåêðîòèëñÿ, ïðè÷¸ì ÿ âèäåë, ÷òî îí íàæèìàåò! ¹2 ñèíòåçàòîð ¹3 ìíåíèå "Åæîâûé Ãëàç" îí çàöèêëèâàåò àêêîðä íî â ïåäàëè ó íåãî óñòàíîâëåíî âðåìÿ çàöèêëèâàíèÿ è çàòóõàíèÿ íó åù¸ îäíî, ìîæåò áûòü ó íåãî íà ïðîöå çàïèñàíû ãîòîâûå ñåìïëû è êîãäà îí íàæèìàåò ïåäàëü ïðîñòî íà÷èíàåòüñÿ ñåìë, áðåä, íó òîæå òåîðèÿ
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Òåìà: Re: gilmour in concert
Âðåìÿ: 14.06.2009 16:37 |
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Byzantium Fender/Vigier guitars Marshall amps/cabs TN Torpedo Live
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>âîùåì ìî¸ ìíåíèå ¹1, îí íàæèìàåò ïåäàëü, òîåñòü ïîñòàâèë íà öèêë, êîãäà îïóñòèë öèêë ïðåêðîòèëñÿ, ïðè÷¸ì ÿ âèäåë, ÷òî îí íàæèìàåò! >¹2 ñèíòåçàòîð >¹3 ìíåíèå "Åæîâûé Ãëàç" îí çàöèêëèâàåò àêêîðä íî â ïåäàëè ó íåãî óñòàíîâëåíî âðåìÿ çàöèêëèâàíèÿ è çàòóõàíèÿ >íó åù¸ îäíî, ìîæåò áûòü ó íåãî íà ïðîöå çàïèñàíû ãîòîâûå ñåìïëû è êîãäà îí íàæèìàåò ïåäàëü ïðîñòî íà÷èíàåòüñÿ ñåìë, áðåä, íó òîæå òåîðèÿ  ñêàçàíî - SOUND-ON-SOUND ÷¸ çàìîðà÷èâàåòåñü??? |
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Òåìà: Re: gilmour in concert
Âðåìÿ: 14.06.2009 17:48 |
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äûê, òàêæå õîòèì | |
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There are not guitarists, there are musicians playing on a guitar!
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