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Íà ñàéòå îò ßíà Ñèäåíà ïîñëå ñòàòüè "òåíîð èëè áàðèòîí". Ñàì ßí æèâ¸ò â ÑØÀ, øòàò Àðèçîíà, ðàáîòàåò èíñòðóêòîðîì ïî âîêàëó, îêîí÷èë áàêàëàâðèàò óíèâåðñèòåòà New Mexico State University. Ðåãóëÿðíî ó÷àñòâóåò êàê â îïåðíûõ êîíöåðòàõ, òàê è â ñïåêòàêëÿõ ìóçûêàëüíîãî òåàòðà. Ñòàòüþ îí íàïèñàë, ïî-âèäèìîìó, äëÿ ñâîèõ þíûõ ó÷åíèêîâ. Äàëüøå - ìîé ïåðåâîä è åãî çàìåòêà. "ß ïîêà íå ðàññìàòðèâàë ðàçíèöó ìåæäó ôàëüöåòîì è ãîëîâíûì ãîëîñîì (åñëè ÿ ïðàâèëüíî ïîìíþ), íî ÿ ïîïðîáóþ ñæàòî èçëîæèòü, êàê ÿ ïîíèìàþ ýòî. "Ãîëîâíîé ãîëîñ" - óäîáíûé òåðìèí, êîòîðûé âêëþ÷àåò ìíîãî ÿâëåíèé, êîòîðûå ïîÿâëÿþòñÿ áîëåå-ìåíåå îäíîâðåìåííî. Îäíî èç íèõ - ñìåíà ïåðâîé ôîðìàíòû (F1), îòñëåæèâàåìîé âòîðîé ãàðìîíèêîé (H2) íà âòîðóþ ôîðìàíòó (F2) îòñëåæèâàåìóþ òðåòüåé (H3) èëè ÷åòâ¸ðòîé (H4) ãàðìîíèêîé. Ýòî ïðèâîäèò ãîëîñ ê êðèêîïîäîáíîìó âèäó ïî ìåðå ïîâûøåíèÿ ãîëîñà è òàê êàê âòîðàÿ ôîðìàíòà îïðåäåëÿåòñÿ â îñíîâíîì â âåðõíåé ÷àñòè âîêàëüíîãî òðàêòà, ïðîèñõîäèò èçìåíåíèÿ â îùóùåíèÿõ ìóæ÷èíû ê îùóùåíèÿì â ãîëîâå. È ñîîòâåòñòâåííî ïîäãëîòî÷íûé ðåçîíàíñ ãðóäè, êîòîðûé ìû ÷óâñòâóåì, êîãäà ìû ãîâîðèì, òàêæå èñ÷åçàåò, óñèëèâàÿ îùóùåíèå, ÷òî ðåçîíàíñ ïðîèñõîäèò âûøå. Ýòî èçìåíåíèå ÷àñòî íàçûâàþò "âòîðîé ïåðåõîä" (passagio). Âòîðûì ÿâëåíèåì ÿâëÿåòñÿ ïîñòåïåííîå ðàññëàáëåíèå thyroarytenoid muscle (TA) è áîëüøàÿ îïîðà (ó÷àñòèå) íà cricothyroid muscle (CT), êîãäà ãîëîñ ïîäíèìàåòñÿ âûøå. ÒÀ ñæèìàåò è óòîëùàåò ñâÿçêè, â òî âðåìÿ êàê ÑÒ óäëèíÿåò è óòîí÷àåò èõ. Îáû÷íî îáå ìûøöû ðàáîòàþò ñîâìåñòíî, íî â ðàçíîé ïðîïîðöèè. Ôàëüöåò - ýòî óíè÷èæèòåëüíîå èìÿ ÿâëåíèÿ, êîòîðîå ïðîèñõîäèò, êîãäà ÑÒ ïîëíîñòüþ ïðåîáëàäàþò íàä ÒÀ. Ñâÿçêè ñòàíîâÿòñÿ äëèííûìè è òîíêèìè è êàñàþòñÿ òîëüêî âíåøíèìè êðàÿìè, ñîçäàâàÿ óïðîùåííûé ñïåêòð. Ôàëüöåò îñîáåííî çàìåòåí ó ìóæ÷èí, ò.ê. ó ìóæ÷èí ñâÿçêè äèñïðîïîðöèîíàëüíî äëèííåå è òîëùå, ÷åì ó æåíùèí è äåòåé, õîòÿ ñàì âîêàëüíûé òðàêò â îñíîâíîì ïðîïîðöèîíàëåí. Ïðåäïîëîæèòåëüíî, ýòî æå ÿâëåíèå âîçíèêàåò ó æåíùèí è äåòåé, íî íå òàê çàìåòíî. Îñîáåííî ó äåòåé ÒÀ òàêèå íåáîëüøèå, ÷òî ôàëüöåò, ñîáñòâåííî, ÿâëÿåòñÿ èõ ðàçãîâîðíûì ãîëîñîì.  ïåðèîä ìóòàöèè ïðîèñõîäèò óòîëùåíèå ÒÀ è ñîîòâåòñòâåííîå èçìåíåíèå ãîðòàíè, ïðîèñõîäèò ïåðåõîä îò äåòñêîãî "ôàëüöåòà" ê ìóæñêîìó ãðóäíîìó ãîëîñó. ß áû ðàññìàòðèâàë "ïîëíûé ãîëîñ" íàèáîëåå ñîîòâåòñòâóþùèì ëþáîìó ñòèëþ ïåíèÿ. Åñëè âû ñîâðåìåííûé îïåðíûé ïåâåö, òîãäà ýòî îçíà÷àåò áàëàíñ ìåæäó ãðóäíûì è ãîëîâíûì ãîëîñîì è ðåäêèì èñïîëüçîâàíèåì ôàëüöåòà. Îäíàêî, åñëè âû êîíòðòåíîð, òîãäà ôàëüöåò âïîëíå ïðèåìëåì. Åñëè âû ïî¸òå â ñîâðåìåííîì ìóçûêàëüíîì òåàòðå, òîãäà íàèáîëåå ïðèåìëåìîé àëüòåðíàòèâîé [îïåðå] ÿâëÿåòñÿ "áåëò". Çäîðîâûé áåëò ïîçâîëÿåò ñâÿçêàì óòîí÷àòüñÿ, êàê â ãîëîâíîì ãîëîñå, íî ñîõðàíÿåò ãðóäíîé òèï ðåçîíàíñà êàê â ãðóäíîì ãîëîñå. Ðåçóëüòàò - çâóê òèïà âûñîêîé íàòóðàëüíîé ðå÷è.  ïîïóëÿðíîé ìóçûêå îáû÷íî ãðóäíîé ãîëîñ ïåðåõîäèò â áåëò ñ ðàçíûìè âàðèàöèÿìè. Åñëè âñ¸ ýòî íå èìååò ñåé÷àñ äëÿ âàñ ñìûñëà - ýòî íîðìàëüíî. Âû ïîíÿëè, íàñêîëüêî ñëîæíî îáñóæäàòü ýòîò ïðåäìåò. Íàäåþñü, ýòî ïîìîæåò. Çàäàâàéòå âîïðîñû." I haven’t waded into the head voice/falsetto difference before (if I’m remembering correctly), but I’ll try to sum it up as I see it. “Head voice” is a convenient term that covers a variety of phenomena that happen more or less concurrently. One event is the change from first formant (F1) tracking of the second harmonic (H2) to second formant (F2) tracking of the third (H3) or fourth (H4) harmonic. This takes the shout-like edge out of the voice as it ascends, and since the second formant is determined primarily in the upper areas of the vocal tract, it shifts a person’s perception of their own voice to the head. Likewise, the sub-glottal resonance of the chest that we feel when we speak also vanishes, enhancing the sense that resonance is happening higher. This shift is often called the “secondo passaggio”. The second event is the gradual relaxing of the thyroarytenoid muscle (TA) and the greater reliance on the cricothyroid muscle (CT) as the voice gets higher. The TA shortens and thickens the folds while the CT lengthens and thins the folds. Both muscles work at the same time normally, the only difference is in what proportion. “Falsetto” is the somewhat derogatory name for what happens when the CT completely takes over from the TA. The fold becomes elongated and stiff and only the outer edges come into contact, thus creating a simpler tonal spectrum. “Falsetto” is most perceivable in men because men’s vocal folds are disproportionately longer and thicker than women’s and children’s while the vocal tract itself is generally proportional. Presumably, it does exist in some form with women and children, but it’s not nearly as obvious. With children especially, the TA muscle is so small as to render falsetto the near normal mode of speaking. It’s in adolescence that boys experience shifts between their new “chest” voice and their old child voice, now called “falsetto”, because the TA muscle grows and changes the shape of the glottis. I would consider “full” voice to be whatever is most appropriate to the style of music you’re making. If you’re a modern opera singer, then full most likely means balance between chest and head voice and rare use of falsetto. However, if you’re a countertenor, then falsetto is perfectly acceptable. If you’re singing modern musical theatre, then “belting” is an acceptable alternative. Healthy belting lets the folds get thinner – like in head voice – but keeps the lower style of resonance – like in chest voice. The result sounds like very high speaking on pitch and natural. In popular music, normally chest voice going into belt voice is the way to go, but all variations are used. If none of this makes much sense right now, then that’s ok. You can see however why it’s hard to discuss this subject. Hope this helps. Let me know if you have any other questions. |
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>ß òàê è íå ïîíÿë, ÷òî òàêîå áåëòèíã... è äóìàþ, ïî÷òè íèêòî çäåñü íå ïîíèìàåò.. â òåîðèè ìîæåò ÷åãî-òî íàïèøåò, íî ïîêà ñàì íåîâëàäååò ýòèì ïðèåìîì, è íå èäåíòèôèöèðóåò åãî êàê èìåííî áåëòèíã (à íå ëþáîå äðóãîå õèìè÷åíèå â ãîðòàíè) òî íå ïîéìåò.. >Ó ìåíÿ åñòü êîíå÷íî íåñêîëüêî ñïîìîáîâ èäòè íàâåð. ôàëüöåò, ëåãêèé ñìåøåíûé ãîëîñ, ó òÿæåëåííûé ãðóäíûì ãóëîì, äðàéâîâûé ñïîñîá (ïî îùóùåíèåì óáèðàåò âñÿêèå ôàëüöåòíûå ñâÿçêè, çàæàòûé çâóê ðåçêèé è íå ãðîìêèé, íî çâîíêèé) Áýëò ýòî ïî ìîåìó ìíåíèþ êàê íåêîòîðûå ãîâîðèëè ïèùàíèå íà ñâÿçêàõ P.S Àëåêñ íå áåéòå â ëèöî ÿ óæå ïîíÿë ÷òî íåòó òàêîãî ïîíÿòèÿ â àêàäåì âîêàëå êàê "ïèùàòü"  Ìíå êàæåòñÿ ýòî îíî |
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>Íà ñàéòå >http://iansidden.com/2009/09/tenor-or-a-baritone- 5-questions-to-help-you-decide/ >îò ßíà Ñèäåíà ïîñëå ñòàòüè "òåíîð èëè áàðèòîí". >Ñàì ßí æèâ¸ò â ÑØÀ, øòàò Àðèçîíà, ðàáîòàåò èíñòðóêòîðîì ïî âîêàëó, îêîí÷èë áàêàëàâðèàò óíèâåðñèòåòà New Mexico State University. Ðåãóëÿðíî ó÷àñòâóåò êàê â îïåðíûõ êîíöåðòàõ, òàê è â ñïåêòàêëÿõ ìóçûêàëüíîãî òåàòðà. >Ñòàòüþ îí íàïèñàë, ïî-âèäèìîìó, äëÿ ñâîèõ þíûõ ó÷åíèêîâ. >Äàëüøå - ìîé ïåðåâîä è åãî çàìåòêà. >"ß ïîêà íå ðàññìàòðèâàë ðàçíèöó ìåæäó ôàëüöåòîì è ãîëîâíûì ãîëîñîì (åñëè ÿ ïðàâèëüíî ïîìíþ), íî ÿ ïîïðîáóþ ñæàòî èçëîæèòü, êàê ÿ ïîíèìàþ ýòî. >"Ãîëîâíîé ãîëîñ" - óäîáíûé òåðìèí, êîòîðûé âêëþ÷àåò ìíîãî ÿâëåíèé, êîòîðûå ïîÿâëÿþòñÿ áîëåå-ìåíåå îäíîâðåìåííî. >Îäíî èç íèõ - ñìåíà ïåðâîé ôîðìàíòû (F1), îòñëåæèâàåìîé âòîðîé ãàðìîíèêîé (H2) íà âòîðóþ ôîðìàíòó (F2) îòñëåæèâàåìóþ òðåòüåé (H3) èëè ÷åòâ¸ðòîé (H4) ãàðìîíèêîé. Ýòî ïðèâîäèò ãîëîñ ê êðèêîïîäîáíîìó âèäó ïî ìåðå ïîâûøåíèÿ ãîëîñà è òàê êàê âòîðàÿ ôîðìàíòà îïðåäåëÿåòñÿ â îñíîâíîì â âåðõíåé ÷àñòè âîêàëüíîãî òðàêòà, ïðîèñõîäèò èçìåíåíèÿ â îùóùåíèÿõ ìóæ÷èíû ê îùóùåíèÿì â ãîëîâå. È ñîîòâåòñòâåííî ïîäãëîòî÷íûé ðåçîíàíñ ãðóäè, êîòîðûé ìû ÷óâñòâóåì, êîãäà ìû ãîâîðèì, òàêæå èñ÷åçàåò, óñèëèâàÿ îùóùåíèå, ÷òî ðåçîíàíñ ïðîèñõîäèò âûøå. Ýòî èçìåíåíèå ÷àñòî íàçûâàþò "âòîðîé ïåðåõîä" (passagio). >Âòîðûì ÿâëåíèåì ÿâëÿåòñÿ ïîñòåïåííîå ðàññëàáëåíèå thyroarytenoid muscle (TA) è áîëüøàÿ îïîðà (ó÷àñòèå) íà cricothyroid muscle (CT), êîãäà ãîëîñ ïîäíèìàåòñÿ âûøå. ÒÀ ñæèìàåò è óòîëùàåò ñâÿçêè, â òî âðåìÿ êàê ÑÒ óäëèíÿåò è óòîí÷àåò èõ. Îáû÷íî îáå ìûøöû ðàáîòàþò ñîâìåñòíî, íî â ðàçíîé ïðîïîðöèè. >Ôàëüöåò - ýòî óíè÷èæèòåëüíîå èìÿ ÿâëåíèÿ, êîòîðîå ïðîèñõîäèò, êîãäà ÑÒ ïîëíîñòüþ ïðåîáëàäàþò íàä ÒÀ. Ñâÿçêè ñòàíîâÿòñÿ äëèííûìè è òîíêèìè è êàñàþòñÿ òîëüêî âíåøíèìè êðàÿìè, ñîçäàâàÿ óïðîùåííûé ñïåêòð. Ôàëüöåò îñîáåííî çàìåòåí ó ìóæ÷èí, ò.ê. ó ìóæ÷èí ñâÿçêè äèñïðîïîðöèîíàëüíî äëèííåå è òîëùå, ÷åì ó æåíùèí è äåòåé, õîòÿ ñàì âîêàëüíûé òðàêò â îñíîâíîì ïðîïîðöèîíàëåí. Ïðåäïîëîæèòåëüíî, ýòî æå ÿâëåíèå âîçíèêàåò ó æåíùèí è äåòåé, íî íå òàê çàìåòíî. Îñîáåííî ó äåòåé ÒÀ òàêèå íåáîëüøèå, ÷òî ôàëüöåò, ñîáñòâåííî, ÿâëÿåòñÿ èõ ðàçãîâîðíûì ãîëîñîì.  ïåðèîä ìóòàöèè ïðîèñõîäèò óòîëùåíèå ÒÀ è ñîîòâåòñòâåííîå èçìåíåíèå ãîðòàíè, ïðîèñõîäèò ïåðåõîä îò äåòñêîãî "ôàëüöåòà" ê ìóæñêîìó ãðóäíîìó ãîëîñó. >ß áû ðàññìàòðèâàë "ïîëíûé ãîëîñ" íàèáîëåå ñîîòâåòñòâóþùèì ëþáîìó ñòèëþ ïåíèÿ. Åñëè âû ñîâðåìåííûé îïåðíûé ïåâåö, òîãäà ýòî îçíà÷àåò áàëàíñ ìåæäó ãðóäíûì è ãîëîâíûì ãîëîñîì è ðåäêèì èñïîëüçîâàíèåì ôàëüöåòà. Îäíàêî, åñëè âû êîíòðòåíîð, òîãäà ôàëüöåò âïîëíå ïðèåìëåì. Åñëè âû ïî¸òå â ñîâðåìåííîì ìóçûêàëüíîì òåàòðå, òîãäà íàèáîëåå ïðèåìëåìîé àëüòåðíàòèâîé [îïåðå] ÿâëÿåòñÿ "áåëò". Çäîðîâûé áåëò ïîçâîëÿåò ñâÿçêàì óòîí÷àòüñÿ, êàê â ãîëîâíîì ãîëîñå, íî ñîõðàíÿåò ãðóäíîé òèï ðåçîíàíñà êàê â ãðóäíîì ãîëîñå. Ðåçóëüòàò - çâóê òèïà âûñîêîé íàòóðàëüíîé ðå÷è. > ïîïóëÿðíîé ìóçûêå îáû÷íî ãðóäíîé ãîëîñ ïåðåõîäèò â áåëò ñ ðàçíûìè âàðèàöèÿìè. >Åñëè âñ¸ ýòî íå èìååò ñåé÷àñ äëÿ âàñ ñìûñëà - ýòî íîðìàëüíî. Âû ïîíÿëè, íàñêîëüêî ñëîæíî îáñóæäàòü ýòîò ïðåäìåò. >Íàäåþñü, ýòî ïîìîæåò. Çàäàâàéòå âîïðîñû." > > I haven’t waded into the head voice/falsetto difference before (if I’m remembering correctly), but I’ll try to sum it up as I see it. >“Head voice” is a convenient term that covers a variety of phenomena that happen more or less concurrently. One event is the change from first formant (F1) tracking of the second harmonic (H2) to second formant (F2) tracking of the third (H3) or fourth (H4) harmonic. This takes the shout-like edge out of the voice as it ascends, and since the second formant is determined primarily in the upper areas of the vocal tract, it shifts a person’s perception of their own voice to the head. Likewise, the sub-glottal resonance of the chest that we feel when we speak also vanishes, enhancing the sense that resonance is happening higher. This shift is often called the “secondo passaggio”. >The second event is the gradual relaxing of the thyroarytenoid muscle (TA) and the greater reliance on the cricothyroid muscle (CT) as the voice gets higher. The TA shortens and thickens the folds while the CT lengthens and thins the folds. Both muscles work at the same time normally, the only difference is in what proportion. >“Falsetto” is the somewhat derogatory name for what happens when the CT completely takes over from the TA. The fold becomes elongated and stiff and only the outer edges come into contact, thus creating a simpler tonal spectrum. “Falsetto” is most perceivable in men because men’s vocal folds are disproportionately longer and thicker than women’s and children’s while the vocal tract itself is generally proportional. Presumably, it does exist in some form with women and children, but it’s not nearly as obvious. With children especially, the TA muscle is so small as to render falsetto the near normal mode of speaking. It’s in adolescence that boys experience shifts between their new “chest” voice and their old child voice, now called “falsetto”, because the TA muscle grows and changes the shape of the glottis. >I would consider “full” voice to be whatever is most appropriate to the style of music you’re making. If you’re a modern opera singer, then full most likely means balance between chest and head voice and rare use of falsetto. However, if you’re a countertenor, then falsetto is perfectly acceptable. If you’re singing modern musical theatre, then “belting” is an acceptable alternative. Healthy belting lets the folds get thinner – like in head voice – but keeps the lower style of resonance – like in chest voice. The result sounds like very high speaking on pitch and natural. >In popular music, normally chest voice going into belt voice is the way to go, but all variations are used. >If none of this makes much sense right now, then that’s ok. You can see however why it’s hard to discuss this subject. >Hope this helps. Let me know if you have any other questions. íå ÷èòàë íî îñóæäàþ 
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Çäåñü èíòåðåñíî òî, ÷òî ÿâíî ïðîïèñàíî - ãîëîâíîé ãîëîñ èä¸ò áåç ãðóäè è êðèêîïîäîáíî. Îïèñàíû ïðè÷èíû è ìåõàíèçì, à òàêæå ïóòü ðåøåíèÿ (åñëè, êîíå÷íî, ýòî êîìó-òî íóæíî). (ñìåñü ñ ãðóäíûì çà ñ÷¸ò ñîâìåñòíîãî äåéñòâèÿ ðàçëè÷íûõ ìûøö ,èëè òîò æå êðèê íî ñ ãðóäíûì ðåçîíàíñîì - áåëòèíã.) |
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Ìîñêâà Äîìàøíèé ãîëîñ, äèëåòàíò
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íåôèã ïèñàòü.ïðîñòî ïîêàçàòü íàäî ðàçîê Ìàñòåð-êëàññîâ äîñòàòî÷íî. Îíè êàê-òî íå î÷åíü ïðîäâèãàþò ó÷àùèõñÿ. Äàæå òàêèå ïðàêòè÷íûå, êàê ìàñòåð-êëàññ Áàñêîâà. Âñ¸ ðàâíî íàòóðà åñòü íàòóðà è îíà ðàçâèâàåòñÿ ñàìà ñîáîé, ðóêîâîäèìàÿ íàøèìè æåëàíèÿìè è óïðàæíåíèÿìè, åñëè ýòè æåëàíèÿ è óïðàæíåíèÿ ðàçóìíû. |
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ß, ïîíèìàþ, ÷òî âîêàë, êàê èñïîëíèòåëüñêîå èñêóññòâî ñòîèò îñîáíÿêîì. Îíî íå âèçóàëüíî, ê òîìó æå, äîñòàòî÷íî ìíîãî, ïðîòèâîðå÷èâûõ ìåòîäèê, øêîë è ïîðîé âîêàëèñòîâ, âñå ýòè ðåêîìåíäàöèè, îñîáåííî íà÷èíàþùèõ, çàâîäÿò â òóïèê ñ èçâå÷íûì âîïðîñîì - êàê ïåòü! È ñàìîå ñìåøíîå, ÷òî âíÿòíûõ îòâåòîâ â îãðîìíîì êîëè÷åñòâå ëèòåðàòóðû ïî òîìó, êàê íóæíî ïåòü íàéòè íåâîçìîæíî.  ïîñîáèÿõ ïîäðîáíî ðàçáèðàþò ñòðîåíèå ãîëîñîâîãî àïïàðàòà, êàê è ãäå çàðîæäàåòñÿ ãîëîñ, îáîçíà÷åíû ðàçëè÷íûå ðåçîíàòîðû, ïðèâîäÿò âûñêàçûâàíèÿ âåëèêèõ ïåâöîâ ïî ïîâîäó è áåç ïîâîäà, à äàëüøå òî ÷òî? Èçó÷èâ äî òîí÷àéøèõ äåòàëåé ñâîé ãîëîñîâîé àïïàðàò, ðàçëè÷íûå ìåòîäèêè çâóêîîáðàçîâàíèÿ ïåòü âñ¸ ðàâíî íå íàó÷èøüñÿ! Íå äóìàþ, ÷òî Ì.Ëàíöà èëè Äæ. äè Ñòåôàíî ÷èòàëè ïîäîáíóþ ëèòåðàòóðó, à ïåëè, êàê Áîãè! ÈÌÕÎ |
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Ìîñêâà Äîìàøíèé ãîëîñ, äèëåòàíò
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Îäíàêî ðàáîòàëè îíè î÷åíü ìíîãî, ñòàðàëèñü ïåòü êàê ìîæíî ëó÷øå. Ìàãîìàåâà ñåé÷àñ ñëóøàþ. Î÷åíü ìíîãî ÷åëîâåê ðàáîòàë íàä ñîáîé. Èñêàë ãîëîñ. È òåì íå ìåíåå â îñíîâíîì ïåë ïðåêðàñíî. Ïîòîìó ÷òî äàæå íå â ãîëîñå äåëî. Ëþáîïûòíî äðóãîå. Ïîêà Ìóñëèì Ìàãîìåäîâè÷ áûë æèâ, îí íàïèñàë ó ñåáÿ íà ñàéòå, ÷òî íàñòîëüêî ìíîãî ïåë "Àõ, ýòà ñâàäüáà", ÷òî óæå íåíàâèäåë ýòó ïåñíþ. ß åìó íå ïîâåðèë - è ïåðåñïðîñèë "ñî ñëåçàìè íà ãëàçàõ" - êàê æå ýòî ìîæåò áûòü, âåäü ñòîëüêî îòëè÷íûõ ñâàäåá ïîä ýòó ïåñíþ ñûãðàëè! Çàíà÷èò, ìîæåò áûòü ïî-ðàçíîìó. Íî àðòèñò äîëæåí äåëàòü ñâîþ ðàáîòó êà÷åñòâåííî. |
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>Îäíàêî ðàáîòàëè îíè î÷åíü ìíîãî, ñòàðàëèñü ïåòü êàê ìîæíî ëó÷øå. >Ìàãîìàåâà ñåé÷àñ ñëóøàþ. >Î÷åíü ìíîãî ÷åëîâåê ðàáîòàë íàä ñîáîé. >Èñêàë ãîëîñ. È òåì íå ìåíåå â îñíîâíîì ïåë ïðåêðàñíî. >Ïîòîìó ÷òî äàæå íå â ãîëîñå äåëî. >Ëþáîïûòíî äðóãîå. >Ïîêà Ìóñëèì Ìàãîìåäîâè÷ áûë æèâ, îí íàïèñàë ó ñåáÿ íà ñàéòå, ÷òî íàñòîëüêî ìíîãî ïåë "Àõ, ýòà ñâàäüáà", ÷òî óæå íåíàâèäåë ýòó ïåñíþ. >ß åìó íå ïîâåðèë - è ïåðåñïðîñèë "ñî ñëåçàìè íà ãëàçàõ" - êàê æå ýòî ìîæåò áûòü, âåäü ñòîëüêî îòëè÷íûõ ñâàäåá ïîä ýòó ïåñíþ ñûãðàëè! >Çàíà÷èò, ìîæåò áûòü ïî-ðàçíîìó. >Íî àðòèñò äîëæåí äåëàòü ñâîþ ðàáîòó êà÷åñòâåííî. Åñëè òû âíèìàòåëüíî è ìíîãî ñëóøàë Ì.Ìàãîìàåâà, òî íå ìîã íå çàìåòèòü, ÷òî âåðõîâ îí èçáåãàë è ýòî íå òîëüêî ìîå ìíåíèå! ÈÌÕÎ |
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Ìîñêâà Äîìàøíèé ãîëîñ, äèëåòàíò
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Åñëè òû âíèìàòåëüíî è ìíîãî ñëóøàë Ì.Ìàãîìàåâà, òî íå ìîã íå çàìåòèòü, ÷òî âåðõîâ îí èçáåãàë è ýòî íå òîëüêî ìîå ìíåíèå! ÈÌÕÎ Âîïðîñ ýòî íå ïðîñòîé. Ó íåãî â ìîëîäîñòè áûëà ñîëü1 - áåç îñîáûõ ïðîáëåì. Íî ýòî áûë íå êëàññè÷åñêèé ãîëîñ.  Èòàëèè åìó ïîäíÿëè ïîçèöèþ, îí ïåë êðåïêèì êðàñèâûì áàðèòîíîì - ñïðàâëÿëñÿ ñ àðèåé Ôèãàðî îòëè÷íî - à ýòî îäíà èç ñëîæíåéøèõ àðèé äëÿ áàðèòîíà. Òåì íå ìåíåå ñàì îí áûë íåäîâîëåí, ÈÌÕÎ. Îí ïûòàëñÿ, ïî-âèäèìîìó, ïåòü è òåíîðîì (ïðàâäà, êðîìå ìè2 êðàñèâûì ôàëüöåòîì ÿ èç åãî ïîïûòîê íè÷åãî íå ñëûøàë). Èçó÷àë òâîð÷åñòâî Ìàðèî Ëàíöà, åçäèë â ÑØÀ. Íî îí åù¸ ñ ìîëîäîñòè ñ÷èòàë, ÷òî ó íåãî ïðàêòè÷åñêè áàñ. Íî Ôóðöåâà áûëà èíîãî ìíåíèÿ - îíà ñ÷èòàëà èñòèííûìè áàñàìè ðóññêèõ íèçêèõ áàñîâ.  èòîãå Ìóñëèì Ìàãîìåòîâè÷ îòðàáîòàë 2 îêòàâû - ñ ôà áîëüøîé äî ôà ïåðâîé. Íà âîïðîñ - ñ÷èòàåò ëè îí ñåáÿ áàñîì - îòâå÷àë, ÷òî äèàïàçîí áàñà ó íåãî åñòü. Âîò òàêàÿ ñëîæíàÿ âåùü ãîëîñ. |
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Âîò òàêàÿ ñëîæíàÿ âåùü ãîëîñ. Äà óæ, ñòðàííî ìû ñåáå ñåáÿ ïðåäñòàâëÿåì. Î÷åâèäíî æå ñî ñòîðîíû, ÷òî ó Ìóñëèìà Ìàãîìåòîâè÷à ëèðè÷åñêèé áàðèòîí. 
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>Åñëè òû âíèìàòåëüíî è ìíîãî ñëóøàë Ì.Ìàãîìàåâà, òî íå ìîã íå çàìåòèòü, ÷òî âåðõîâ îí èçáåãàë è ýòî íå òîëüêî ìîå ìíåíèå! ÈÌÕÎ >Âîïðîñ ýòî íå ïðîñòîé. >Ó íåãî â ìîëîäîñòè áûëà ñîëü1 - áåç îñîáûõ ïðîáëåì. ýòî ãîâîðèò î òîì ÷òî îí ïåë êàê ãàðàíñ.òîëüêî íà ãðóäÿõ |
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Ðåæèì îòàêý!
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>>Åñëè òû âíèìàòåëüíî è ìíîãî ñëóøàë Ì.Ìàãîìàåâà, òî íå ìîã íå çàìåòèòü, ÷òî âåðõîâ îí èçáåãàë è ýòî íå òîëüêî ìîå ìíåíèå! ÈÌÕÎ >>Âîïðîñ ýòî íå ïðîñòîé. >>Ó íåãî â ìîëîäîñòè áûëà ñîëü1 - áåç îñîáûõ ïðîáëåì. >ýòî ãîâîðèò î òîì ÷òî îí ïåë êàê ãàðàíñ.òîëüêî íà ãðóäÿõ ýòîò êîììåíò ñäåëàë ìîé äåíü  Ìóñëèì Ãàðàíñîâè÷ |
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Ñîçäàòåëü ìèêñòîâîãî áîãåìñêîãî ïåðåõîäà êîçüåãî ëîðäà
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Ìîñêâà Äîìàøíèé ãîëîñ, äèëåòàíò
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Íå ñåêðåò, ÷òî ïðè ïåíèè Ôèãàðî áàðèòîíàì ïðèõîäèòñÿ ïðèïîäíèìàòü ïîçèöèþ è îñâåòëÿòü, îáëåã÷àòü ãîëîñ. Íå âñåì áàðèòîíàì ýòî íðàâèòñÿ. Íà âîïðîñ - ïî÷åìó Ìóñëèì Ìàãîìåòîâè÷ ïåë ëèðè÷åñêèì ãîëîñîì è çâó÷àë ïî÷òè êàê òåíîð, îí îòâå÷àë, ÷òî ñîçíàòåëüíî îáëåã÷àë ãîëîñ. Íà åãî ñàéòå ìíîãèå âåùè ïðåäñòàâëåíû â 2-õ âàðèàíòàõ - áîëåå ë¸ãêèì è âûñîêèì ãîëîñîì è áîëåå íèçêèì, ò¸ìíûì. Ëó÷øèå: Ôèãàðî (ñâåòëûé) è Ýñêàìèëüî (ò¸ìíûé). Íà ìîé âçãëÿä, â ïàðòèè Ýñêàìèëüî îí âñ¸ æå çâó÷àë ëó÷øå. |
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Äîìàøíåå ïåíèå â Ñìóëå
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Áàí íà ôîðóìàõ MUSICFORUMS.RU
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>Ìóñëèì Ãàðàíñîâè÷ Ìóñëèì Ìàãàðàåâ 
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Çäðàâñòâóéòå, ¨ïòà!
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Ìîñêâà Äîìàøíèé ãîëîñ, äèëåòàíò
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Ïîïðàâêà: ñåé÷àñ íà ñàéòå Ìàãîìàåâà íåò óæå 2-õ âàðèàíòîâ îäíîé è òîé æå âåùè. Íî åñòü îäíîâðåìåííî, íàïðèìåð, àðèÿ êíÿçÿ Èãîðÿ è àðèÿ Êîí÷àêà íàðÿäó ñ àðèåé Ôèãàðî. |
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Äîìàøíåå ïåíèå â Ñìóëå
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Íàëè÷èå íîò íå îïðåäåëÿåò òèï ãîëîñà. Ó Áîðèñà Õðèñòîâà ôàÁ áûëà âåñüìà íåâíÿòíîé, à áàñîì îí áûë çíàòíûì.
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Ìîñêâà Äîìàøíèé ãîëîñ, äèëåòàíò
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Êîí÷àê Ìàãîìàåâà âî ìíîãèõ ìåñòàõ çâó÷èò êàê ðàçãîâîðíûé ãîëîñ. ÈÌÕÎ Ïðîáëåìà â ðåçîíàòîðàõ, íàâåðíîå. |
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Äîìàøíåå ïåíèå â Ñìóëå
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Äèâàííûé âîêàëèçÄ 
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>Áýëò ýòî ïî ìîåìó ìíåíèþ êàê íåêîòîðûå ãîâîðèëè ïèùàíèå íà ñâÿçêàõ Íåïðàâèëüíî. Áýëò - "ïåùåðíûé" çâóê íà ñèëüíî îòêðûòîé ãëîòêå ñ áîëüøèì ñîäåðæàíèåì ãðóäíûõ îáåðòîíîâ. Èç ìóæñêèõ ãîëîñîâ ïîñëóøàé òåõ, êòî òóæèòñÿ. Ñêîðåå âñåãî îíè èñïîëüçóþò áýëò (íàïðèìåð, Êåí Òýìïëèí). |
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Ìîñêâà Äîìàøíèé ãîëîñ, äèëåòàíò
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Êåí Òýìïëèí ß ïîñëàë ýòîìó ñïåöèàëèñòó ñâîé ïðèìåð - Ãîëóáåé Òðîôèìà. Îí äà¸ò ñâîå ìíåíèå ïî îïðåäåëåíèþ òèïà ãîëîñà. (â òå÷åíèå 72 ÷àñîâ) |
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Äîìàøíåå ïåíèå â Ñìóëå
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Ðåæèì îòàêý!
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Ñïîðèì îí íàïèøåò - áàðèòîí | |
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Ñîçäàòåëü ìèêñòîâîãî áîãåìñêîãî ïåðåõîäà êîçüåãî ëîðäà
http://www.musicforums.ru/vocal/full_1372344690.html#N1372349027 Ñïåöòåðìèíû ÌÔ Ñîâêîäåä Õàðäðîê Ðåêîðäñ Ãðàíæ íåâîçìîæåí áåç ñâýãà(c)Yöta |
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Ìîñêâà Äîìàøíèé ãîëîñ, äèëåòàíò
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Ñïîðèì îí íàïèøåò - áàðèòîí ß óâåðåí íà 95%. È äàæå âîïðîñ çàäàë: Am I a lyric baritone? -ß ëèðè÷åñêèé áàðèòîí? |
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Äîìàøíåå ïåíèå â Ñìóëå
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ß óâåðåí íà 95%. Íó òàê îí æåæ òàáå, âåëè÷àéøåãî èç òðîëëåé ìóçôîðóìà, íå çíàåò. À çíàë áû òàê ñðàçó ïîñëàë áû òåáÿ íà ###. Íî îíè òàì òîëåðàíòíûå, àëüòåðíàòèâíî îäàðåííûõ íå çàáèæàþò. 
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Ëèìàíñê Äèñòèëëÿòîð "Àíòîíû÷". 
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Íó òàê îí æåæ òàáå, âåëè÷àéøåãî èç òðîëëåé ìóçôîðóìà, íå çíàåò. À çíàë áû òàê ñðàçó ïîñëàë áû òåáÿ íà ###. Íî îíè òàì òîëåðàíòíûå, àëüòåðíàòèâíî îäàðåííûõ íå çàáèæàþò. ÁÅÇÎÁÐÀÇÈÅ!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Ñàì òû ÷þæîé ¹;:¹%:!% |
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Òàøêåíò ãîëîñ 
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 ãåôñèìàíñêîé àðèè,íàïðèìåð,åñòü äèêèé êðèê íà ïîñëåäíåé íîòå,ýòî ÷òî-áåëò? Êàê ýòî äåëàþò âîîáùå? | |
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äàåøü àâòîïðîáåãîì ïî õàìñòâó è áåñêóëüòóðüþ!.
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Ìîñêâà Ovation, Spector, Musicman, Genelec, Fractal 
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>ÁÅÇÎÁÐÀÇÈÅ!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! ÷óæîé ãðóá, íî ïðàâ
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Òîëüêî âçÿë áîåö ãèòàðó, ñðàçó âèäíî - ãàðìîíèñò!
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Áàñ-áàðèòîí Æèð 
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Òàêàÿ áîðîäà... | |
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Íå çàáûòü: òàìïîíû÷ ïåâåö äëÿ êîòîâ
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Ìîñêâà Äîìàøíèé ãîëîñ, äèëåòàíò
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Îòâåò ïîëó÷åí. Hi Serge, are you currently doing the ktva course? I ask because you could still use much better diaphragmatic support and you are "scooping" with your larynx to sing these lower notes which will (and is) inhibiting your range. You are also over accentuating your vowel and consonant sounds as well. I have a DVD/CD course that will help you with this if you are interested under the top singing lessons tab on my KenTamplinVocalAcademy.com web site. You sound like a Russian student I have who lives in Australia And no you're not a lryic bari, your voice is too big for that. Ïðèâåò, Ñåðãåé. Òû ñåé÷àñ çàíèìàåøüñÿ ïî êóðñó ktva? ß ñïðàøèâàþ, ïîòîìó ÷òî òû ìîã áû èñïîëüçîâàòü ëó÷øóþ ïîääåðæêó äèàôðàãìîé è òû "çà÷åðïûâàåøü" ãîðòàíüþ, ÷òîáû ïåòü íèçêèå íîòû, ÷òî òîðìîçèò è áóäåò òîðìîçèòü ðàçâèòèå òâîåãî äèàïàçîíà. Òû òàêæå ñëèøêîì àêöåíòèðóåøü ñâîè ãëàñíûå è ñîãëàñíûå. Ó ìåíÿ åñòü DVD/CD êóðñ, åñëè òû çàèíòåðåñîâàí - ââåðõó ñàéòà. Òû çâó÷èøü êàê ìîé ðóññêèé ñòóäåíò, êîòîðûé æèâ¸ò â Àâñòðàëèè. È òû íå ëèðè÷åñêèé áàðèòîí - òâîé ãîëîñ ñëèøêîì âåëèê äëÿ íåãî. . |
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Äîìàøíåå ïåíèå â Ñìóëå
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Íîâîñèáèðñê òåíîð
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ß ñïðàøèâàþ, ïîòîìó ÷òî òû ìîã áû èñïîëüçîâàòü ëó÷øóþ ïîääåðæêó äèàôðàãìîé è òû "çà÷åðïûâàåøü" ãîðòàíüþ, ÷òîáû ïåòü íèçêèå íîòû, ÷òî òîðìîçèò è áóäåò òîðìîçèòü ðàçâèòèå òâîåãî äèàïàçîíà. Òû òàêæå ñëèøêîì àêöåíòèðóåøü ñâîè ãëàñíûå è ñîãëàñíûå. È òû íå ëèðè÷åñêèé áàðèòîí - òâîé ãîëîñ ñëèøêîì âåëèê äëÿ íåãî. Êàêèå íîðìû îí ïðèíèìàë âî âíèìàíèå, äåëàÿ òàêèå âûâîäû ïî "çà÷åðïûâàíèþ ãîðòàíüþ", "àêöåíòèðîâàíèþ ãëàñíûõ è ñîãëàñíûõ" è "ãîëîñ ñëèøêîì âåëèê äëÿ ëèðè÷åñêîãî áàðèòîíà"? Ìíå, êàæåòñÿ, ÷òî ýòî ïîïàõèâàåò ïðîôàíàöèåé! ÈÌÕÎ |
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Ìîñêâà Äîìàøíèé ãîëîñ, äèëåòàíò
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Êàêèå íîðìû îí ïðèíèìàë âî âíèìàíèå, äåëàÿ òàêèå âûâîäû ïî "çà÷åðïûâàíèþ ãîðòàíüþ", "àêöåíòèðîâàíèþ ãëàñíûõ è ñîãëàñíûõ" è "ãîëîñ ñëèøêîì âåëèê äëÿ ëèðè÷åñêîãî áàðèòîíà"? Ìíå, êàæåòñÿ, ÷òî ýòî ïîïàõèâàåò ïðîôàíàöèåé! ÈÌÕÎ Ó çàðóáåæíûõ ñïåöèàëèñòîâ âñ¸ ïðîùå. Îíè âûñêàçûâàþò ñâî¸ ìíåíèå, åñëè ýòî íóæíî çàïðîñèâøåìó è âûñêàçûâàþùåìó. Ìû ìîæåì ïðèíÿòü èõ ìíåíèå èëè îòâåðãíóòü - èì âñ¸ ðàâíî. Îíè èìåþò ïðàâî äàâàòü ñâîè ïðåäëîæåíèÿ - ìû îòêàçûâàòüñÿ. È íàîáîðîò. Óñëîâíîé ãàðàíòèåé ÿâëÿåòñÿ èõ îïûò è àâòîðèòåò. Íî äåíåæíîé èëè ìàòåðèàëüíîé ãàðàíòèåé èõ ìíåíèå íå ÿâëÿåòñÿ. Îíè çàêðó÷åíû íà äåíüãè - ýòî ÿñíî. Íî ÷òîáû äîëãî äåëàòü äåíüãè, èõ íóæíî äåëàòü íà ÷¸ì-òî ðåàëüíîì. ÈÌÕÎ |
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Äîìàøíåå ïåíèå â Ñìóëå
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Íîâîñèáèðñê òåíîð
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Ìíå âñ¸ æå êàæåòñÿ ïî çàïèñÿì òâîé ãîëîñ ïåðåõîäíîé (ÿ óæå ýòî îòìå÷àë) - íî áëèæå ê òåíîðó, ò.ê. òåìáðàëüíàÿ îñíîâà ñåðåäèíû ó òåáÿ íå áàðèòîíàëüíàÿ - ó Äîìèêà òàêîé æå ãîëîñ áûë, ñåé÷àñ ïîåò áàðèòîíîì ( ñïåë Áîêêàíåãðó, Ðèãîëåòòî, Æåðìîíà ), ñêîðî äîéäåò è äî Ôèëèïïà - ØÞÒÊÀ. Åñëè áû òû ïåë ïðîôåññèîíàëüíî, òî ñìîã áû ïåòü áàðèòîíîì, òèïî Âîðîøèëî, Ìàçóðîêà, Õýïñîíà, Ñìåòàííèêîâà, íî îíè âñ¸ æå áàðèòîíû ñäåëàííûå, íåíàòóðàëüíûå, ò.å. òåíîðà áåç êðàéíèõ âåðõîâ. ÈÌÕÎ |
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Ðåæèì îòàêý!
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>Ìíå âñ¸ æå êàæåòñÿ ïî çàïèñÿì òâîé ãîëîñ ïåðåõîäíîé (ÿ óæå ýòî îòìå÷àë) - íî áëèæå ê òåíîðó, ò.ê. òåìáðàëüíàÿ îñíîâà ñåðåäèíû ó òåáÿ íå áàðèòîíàëüíàÿ - ó Äîìèêà òàêîé æå ãîëîñ áûë, ñåé÷àñ ïîåò áàðèòîíîì ( ñïåë Áîêêàíåãðó, Ðèãîëåòòî, Æåðìîíà ), ñêîðî äîéäåò è äî Ôèëèïïà - ØÞÒÊÀ. >Åñëè áû òû ïåë ïðîôåññèîíàëüíî, òî ñìîã áû ïåòü áàðèòîíîì, òèïî Âîðîøèëî, Ìàçóðîêà, Õýïñîíà, Ñìåòàííèêîâà, íî îíè âñ¸ æå áàðèòîíû ñäåëàííûå, íåíàòóðàëüíûå, ò.å. òåíîðà áåç êðàéíèõ âåðõîâ. ÈÌÕÎ ß äóìàë âû äàâíî ïîíÿëè ÷òî ãàðàíñ - äðàìàòè÷åñêèé òåíîð |
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Ñîçäàòåëü ìèêñòîâîãî áîãåìñêîãî ïåðåõîäà êîçüåãî ëîðäà
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Íèêîìó íåëüçÿ âå Ìíå - ìîæíî 
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Èñòèíà î ãîëîñå çäåñü: http://www.formulagolosa.ru/
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×åðòîâû Êóëè÷èêè Ïàññàòèæè 
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>ß äóìàë âû äàâíî ïîíÿëè ÷òî ãàðàíñ - äðàìàòè÷åñêèé òåíîð |
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Ïà÷êà äðîææåé â ñåëüñêîì òóàëåòå.
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Ðåæèì îòàêý!
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Ãàðàíñ - ýòî ÷òî-òî ìåæäó òåíîðîì,äèàïàçîíîì è ëåñîì
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Ñîçäàòåëü ìèêñòîâîãî áîãåìñêîãî ïåðåõîäà êîçüåãî ëîðäà
http://www.musicforums.ru/vocal/full_1372344690.html#N1372349027 Ñïåöòåðìèíû ÌÔ Ñîâêîäåä Õàðäðîê Ðåêîðäñ Ãðàíæ íåâîçìîæåí áåç ñâýãà(c)Yöta |
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Ðèãà Ãîëîñ ëèðÒåíîð / ãèòàðà / - Ken Lawrence Explorer Replica 
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>Ãàðàíñ - ýòî ÷òî-òî ìåæäó áàñ- áàðèòîíîì , íåïîíÿòíûì äèàïàçîíîì è ëåñîì òåíîðîì îí íå ìîæåò áûòü íèêàê ... 
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Ðåæèì îòàêý!
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>>Ãàðàíñ - ýòî ÷òî-òî ìåæäó áàñ- áàðèòîíîì , íåïîíÿòíûì äèàïàçîíîì è ëåñîì >òåíîðîì îí íå ìîæåò áûòü íèêàê ... Ô¸äîðîâà ãîâîðèò øî îí öåíòðîâîé òåíîð 
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Ñîçäàòåëü ìèêñòîâîãî áîãåìñêîãî ïåðåõîäà êîçüåãî ëîðäà
http://www.musicforums.ru/vocal/full_1372344690.html#N1372349027 Ñïåöòåðìèíû ÌÔ Ñîâêîäåä Õàðäðîê Ðåêîðäñ Ãðàíæ íåâîçìîæåí áåç ñâýãà(c)Yöta |
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Ðèãà Ãîëîñ ëèðÒåíîð / ãèòàðà / - Ken Lawrence Explorer Replica
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>>>Ãàðàíñ - ýòî ÷òî-òî ìåæäó áàñ- áàðèòîíîì , íåïîíÿòíûì äèàïàçîíîì è ëåñîì >>òåíîðîì îí íå ìîæåò áûòü íèêàê ... >Ô¸äîðîâà ãîâîðèò øî îí öåíòðîâîé òåíîð  
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Ðåæèì îòàêý!
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À ÷òî òû äóìàë?Åñëè îí äåëàåò òèõóþ îòðûæêó â íèæíåì ðåãèñòðå çíà÷ îí áàðèòîí? 
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Ñîçäàòåëü ìèêñòîâîãî áîãåìñêîãî ïåðåõîäà êîçüåãî ëîðäà
http://www.musicforums.ru/vocal/full_1372344690.html#N1372349027 Ñïåöòåðìèíû ÌÔ Ñîâêîäåä Õàðäðîê Ðåêîðäñ Ãðàíæ íåâîçìîæåí áåç ñâýãà(c)Yöta |
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Âðåìÿ: 14.09.2013 15:20 |
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Ðèãà Ãîëîñ ëèðÒåíîð / ãèòàðà / - Ken Lawrence Explorer Replica
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>À ÷òî òû äóìàë?Åñëè îí äåëàåò òèõóþ îòðûæêó â íèæíåì ðåãèñòðå çíà÷ îí áàðèòîí? òàì íå òèõàÿ .. à äîñòàòî÷íî ãðîìêàÿ áàðèòîíàëüíàÿ îòðûæêà ...
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