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Òåìà: `O Marinariello
Âðåìÿ: 07.11.2019 18:18 |
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Íîâîñèáèðñê òåíîð  
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Ïåñíÿ íàïåâíàÿ, õîðîøî íà íåé ðàñïåâàòüñÿ... |
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Òåìà: Re: `O Marinariello
Âðåìÿ: 07.11.2019 23:27 |
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Óðþïèíñê Twinkle, twinkle lil turquoise star 
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0:35 -- íå ïîïàëà â íóæíîå ìåñòî 1:07 -- ïîïàëà 2:37 -- òîæå ïîïàëà â íóæíîå ìåñòî Îáðàòèòå, ïîæàëóéñòà, âíèìàíèåâóêà |
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Òåìà: Re: `O Marinariello
Âðåìÿ: 08.11.2019 05:38 |
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>0:35 -- íå ïîïàëà â íóæíîå ìåñòî >1:07 -- ïîïàëà >2:37 -- òîæå ïîïàëà â íóæíîå ìåñòî >Îáðàòèòå, ïîæàëóéñòà, âíèìàíèåâóêà Ñïàñèáî, Àíàòîëèé! 0:35 ÿ ýòîò ïåðåõîä ïîþ â îòêðûøêó, åñëè êðûòü, òî íååñòåñòâåííî çàâûñèòñÿ, ïîýòîìó ãîëîñ ñâåòëûé..., Àòàòîëèé, ó ìåíÿ ãîëîñ òàêîé, ÿ áû ðàäîâàëñÿ, åñëè áû òåìáð áûë ïîïëîòíåå, ïîòåìíåå, íî ýòî ïðèðîäà è ÿ ñ íåé íè÷åãî íå ñäåëàþ, à êðèâëÿòüñÿ ìíå ïîä ñïèíòî-äðàì òåíîðà íå ñåðüåçíî, âåðõíèå íîòû âñå ðàññòàâëÿþò ïî ñâîèì ìåñòàì - êòî åñòü êòî! Âîí, íà ïðîñëóøèâàíèè Áîëüøîé îïåðû óëüòðàëèðû ïîþò êàëàôîâ, à ñëóøàòü ýòî ñìåøíî è íåëîâêî çà íèõ... 
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Òåìà: Re: `O Marinariello
Âðåìÿ: 09.11.2019 02:17 |
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Óðþïèíñê Twinkle, twinkle lil turquoise star
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>à êðèâëÿòüñÿ ìíå ïîä ñïèíòî-äðàì òåíîðà íå ñåðüåçíî, âåðõíèå íîòû âñå ðàññòàâëÿþò ïî ñâîèì ìåñòàì - êòî åñòü êòî! Êðèâëÿòüñÿ ïîä ñïèíòî-äðàìà -- ýòî, âèäèìî, â ìîé îãîðîä êàìóøåê Ìíå êàæåòñÿ, Âû ïðåóâåëè÷èâàåòå. Ó Âàñ äîâîëüíî ò¸ìíûå âåðõà, õîòü â íèõ íåò ðåçêîñòè è ìåòàëëà êðåïêèõ ãîëîñîâ. Ïðàâèëüíî ïåòü ìîæíî è Àëüôðåäà, ïðè÷¸ì çäåñü Êàëàô. Íå íóæíî êðèâëÿòüñÿ, ÷òîáû ñîìáðèðîâàòü ëèðè÷åñêîìó òåíîðó, ïðèìåðîâ ìàññà -- îò Ðàéìîíäè äî Àðàãàëëà. Îáðàòèòå âíèìàíèå, ÷òî "äîëü÷è áÀ÷è" îí ñîâåòóåò ïåòü â îòêðûøêó, íî âñå ôðàçû â êîíöå -- "ë'îðà ý ôóäæèòà è ìîéî äèñïåðàòî" -- ïðèêðûâàòü. Íå äóìàþ, ÷òî ó Âàñ ãîëîñ íàìíîãî ëåã÷å, ÷åì ó ýòîãî ñòóäåíòà -- îí ïîñëå ó÷¸áû ó Ðàéìîíäè ïåë íå Êàâàðàäîññè, à ïàðòèè ëåãêîãî ëèðà -- ãîëîñ íåáîëüøîé, âåðõà ìàëîâàòû, ó Âàñ òåìíåå. |
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Òåìà: Re: `O Marinariello
Âðåìÿ: 09.11.2019 02:32 |
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Íîâîñèáèðñê òåíîð
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Àíàòîëèé, ÿ òåáÿ íå èìåë ââèäó, åñëè ÷åñòíî, òî ÿ óæå ñòàë çàáûâàòü òâîé ãîëîñ, òû äàâíî íå âûêëàäûâàëñÿ. Äàæå, äîâîëüíî êðåïêèå ëèð òåíîðà, òîò æå Ïàâà, íå âñåãäà óáåäèòåëüíûå â âåðäèåâñêîì ðåïåðòóàðå, åãî Îòåëëî ÿ íå ñìîã ñëóøàòü. Ìîæåò, Ô. Êîðåëëè ïî ýòîé ïðè÷èíå íå ñïåë Îòåëëî, íå çíàþ, õîòü ãîëîñ åãî ïîçâîëÿë, íî ïåíèå â ìàíåðå ëèðòåíîðà íå ñòûêîâàëàñü ñ ýòîé ïàðòèåé. Ñëîæíî âñå ñ òåíîðàìè, ìíîãîâàòî ó íèõ òåìáðàëüíûõ ðàçíîâèäíîñòåé... |
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Òåìà: Re: `O Marinariello
Âðåìÿ: 09.11.2019 03:02 |
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Óðþïèíñê Twinkle, twinkle lil turquoise star
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Ïðî Êîðåëëè, êòî àíãëèéñêèì âëàäååò (ÿçûê òóò ïðîñòîé): When Corelli first came to the Met in 1961, his voice was about 20-25% smaller than Del Monaco’s, but of more concern, was that his voice often thinned out on the high notes. According to Stefan Zucker, his best role was Ernani, and in this I would concur, after hearing him at that time in that opera. This is because Ernani only is written to A natural and the additional high notes are added at the discretion of the singer, depending upon how he may feeling at that performance. Not only was Corelli a very insecure musician, but with the high notes often being thin, I considered him an often unsatisfactory substitute for Del Monaco. However, Corelli worked very hard on his voice and technique, and his voice continued to improve and he himself stated that his best vocal years were between 1966 and 1968. His emotionalism was often a technical device, similar to Gigli’s, where the sobs were an attempt to lighten the voice particularly in attacks to maintain the head voice and sing in the upper register. On days when he was particularly insecure, this might begin early in the opera and occasionally the audience would experience this as comical. I heard a performance of “Carmen” with Grace Bumbry in Chicago where he was sobbing throughout the entire first act. |
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Òåìà: Re: `O Marinariello
Âðåìÿ: 09.11.2019 05:27 |
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>When Corelli first came to the Met in 1961, his voice was about 20-25% smaller than Del Monaco’s, but of more concern, was that his voice often thinned out on the high notes. According to Stefan Zucker, his best role was Ernani, and in this I would concur, after hearing him at that time in that opera. This is because Ernani only is written to A natural and the additional high notes are added at the discretion of the singer, depending upon how he may feeling at that performance. Not only was Corelli a very insecure musician, but with the high notes often being thin, I considered him an often unsatisfactory substitute for Del Monaco. However, Corelli worked very hard on his voice and technique, and his voice continued to improve and he himself stated that his best vocal years were between 1966 and 1968. His emotionalism was often a technical device, similar to Gigli’s, where the sobs were an attempt to lighten the voice particularly in attacks to maintain the head voice and sing in the upper register. On days when he was particularly insecure, this might begin early in the opera and occasionally the audience would experience this as comical. I heard a performance of “Carmen” with Grace Bumbry in Chicago where he was sobbing throughout the entire first act. Ô.Êîðåëëè â 55 ëåò çàêîí÷èë âûñòóïàòü â îïåðíûõ ñïåêòàêëÿõ, ññûëàÿñü íà óñòàëîñòü, íî ñîëüíèêè ïåë ñ áîëüøèì óñïåõîì....
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Òåìà: Re: `O Marinariello
Âðåìÿ: 09.11.2019 08:35 |
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Óðþïèíñê Twinkle, twinkle lil turquoise star
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>Ô.Êîðåëëè â 55 ëåò çàêîí÷èë âûñòóïàòü â îïåðíûõ ñïåêòàêëÿõ, ññûëàÿñü íà óñòàëîñòü, íî ñîëüíèêè ïåë ñ áîëüøèì óñïåõîì.... Åãî ìîæíî ïîíÿòü -- äåíåã íàêîïèë, âûíîñëèâîñòü ïîäðàñòåðÿë...
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