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Òåìà: Re: Âîïëè Jugulatora :)
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Ìîñêâà Äîìàøíèé ãîëîñ, äèëåòàíò  
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Äåçìîíä, Åñëè õî÷åøü ðåàëüíî îòòåñòèðîâàòü ñâîé ãîëîñ - âñòàíü íà îòêðûòîì âîçäóõå íà 40-50 ì îò êàìåðû (ìàêñèìàëüíûé ðàçìåð êðóïíîãî îïåðíîãî òåàòðà) è çàïèøè ãàììó. Ãàðàíòèðóþ òåáå ñêðèï ñâÿçîê â áîëüøîé îêòàâå (äàæå ó áàñîâ ðåäêî ÷òî ëó÷øå), ïèñê â ñåðåäèíå è êðèê ââåðõó. Íå èñêëþ÷åíî, ÷òî âîîáùå íè÷åãî íå óñëûøèøü. |
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Òåìà: Re: Âîïëè Jugulatora :)
Âðåìÿ: 08.11.2011 11:57 |
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èëè òîò ñàìûé Äåçìîíä 
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>Äåçìîíä, >Åñëè õî÷åøü ðåàëüíî îòòåñòèðîâàòü ñâîé ãîëîñ - âñòàíü íà îòêðûòîì âîçäóõå íà 40-50 ì îò êàìåðû (ìàêñèìàëüíûé ðàçìåð êðóïíîãî îïåðíîãî òåàòðà) è çàïèøè ãàììó. >Ãàðàíòèðóþ òåáå ñêðèï ñâÿçîê â áîëüøîé îêòàâå (äàæå ó áàñîâ ðåäêî ÷òî ëó÷øå), ïèñê â ñåðåäèíå è êðèê ââåðõó. >Íå èñêëþ÷åíî, ÷òî âîîáùå íè÷åãî íå óñëûøèøü. Íå, íó ñè ïåðâîé áóäåò ñëûøíî òî÷íî  À òî, ÷òî ãîëîñ ó ìåíÿ ñûðîé è ñîâåðøåííî íå ïîñòàâëåííûé - ýòî ÿ çíàþ. À ïîþ îïèðàÿñü íà íåêîòîðûå òåîðåòè÷åñêèå çíàíèÿ ïîëó÷åííûå èç ðàçíûõ èñòî÷íèêîâ è, ïî áîëüøå ÷àñòè, íà ñîáñòâåííûå îùóùåíèÿ. |
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Äîáðî ïîæàëîâàòü íà ìîé êàíàë: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCmKdsMhEXicMmsUlL06Hccw?view_as=subscriber
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Òåìà: Re: Âîïëè Jugulatora :)
Âðåìÿ: 08.11.2011 11:58 |
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èëè òîò ñàìûé Äåçìîíä
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Íó à ñòîÿòü è îðàòü íà êàìåðó, ïîìîåìó, âîîáùå ãëóïîñòü êàêàÿ-òî
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Òåìà: Re: Âîïëè Jugulatora :)
Âðåìÿ: 08.11.2011 12:20 |
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Âñåì, êòî îöåíèë íîâîå êà÷åñòâî çâóêà, - ñïàñèáî! Òåì, êòî ðàçâ¸ë îôôòîï, - àé-ÿé-ÿé 
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https://www.youtube.com/user/IgorJugulatorZotov - ìîé ìóçûêàëüíûé êàíàë
https://www.numberonemusic.com/theperfectbalance - îôèöèàëüíàÿ ñòðàíèöà The Perfect Balance |
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Òåìà: Re: Âîïëè Jugulatora :)
Âðåìÿ: 08.11.2011 13:49 |
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>Åñëè õî÷åøü ðåàëüíî îòòåñòèðîâàòü ñâîé ãîëîñ - âñòàíü íà îòêðûòîì âîçäóõå íà 40-50 ì îò êàìåðû (ìàêñèìàëüíûé ðàçìåð êðóïíîãî îïåðíîãî òåàòðà) è çàïèøè ãàììó. Ãàðàíñ, ÿ îáû÷íî â âàøèõ äèñêóññèÿõ íå ó÷àâñòâóþ, ââèäó èõ... èý... ñêàæåì, ïî ñâîèì ïðè÷èíàì. Íî ó ìåíÿ îáåä, òàê è áûòü  Ïðîñòèòå, íî ðàçâå âû ñàìè íå âèäèòå, ÷òî óñëîâèÿ âàøåãî "òåñòà" íåñîïîñòàâèìû ñ óñëîâèÿìè ðåàëüíîãî òåàòðà? Çâóê, êàê âû íàâåðíîå çíàåòå - ñôåðè÷åñêèå âîëíîâûå êîëåáàíèÿ, êîòîðûå â çàìêíóòîì ïîìåùåíèè òåàòðà ñîçäàþò ëîêàëüíûå ðåçîíàíñíûå ÿâëåíèÿ. Àðõèòåêòóðà òåàòðà è ñàìîé ñöåíû ïðîåêòèðóåòñÿ òàêèì îáðàçîì, ÷òîáû óñèëèâàòü è óïðàâëÿòü ýòèìè ÿâëåíèÿìè, íàä ñöåíîé èíîãäà ïîìåùàþòñÿ ñïåöèàëüíûå êîíñòðóêöèè, êîòîðûå çàñ÷åò âíóòðåííûõ ðåçîíàíñîâ óñèëèâàþò çâóê. ×òî âû ìîæåòå çàìåðèòü íà óëèöå, êîãäà (à) - çâóê ðàññåèâàèòüñÿ íà îòêðûòîì ïðîñòðàíñòâå, (b) - íåîäíîðîäíîñòü âîçäóøíûõ ìàññ ìåæäó èñòî÷íèêîì è ïðèåìíèêîì ñîçäàåò èñêàæåíèÿ çâóêà, (c) äâèæåíèå âîçäóõà ìîæåò ïðîñòî èñïîðòèòü "ýêñïåðèìåíò", (d) - âñòðîåííûé äåêîìïðåññîð âèäåî êàìåðû "îòðåçàåò" îáåðòîíà ãîëîñà. Ïðîñòî ïûòàþñü ïîíÿòü, ðàäè ñïîðòèâíîãî èíòåðåñà, åñëè ïîíèìàòü ôèçèêó ýêñïåðèìåíòà, â ÷åì ñìûñë ïðîâåäåíèÿ ýòèõ çàìåðîâ? 
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Òåìà: Re: Âîïëè Jugulatora :)
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Ìîñêâà Äîìàøíèé ãîëîñ, äèëåòàíò
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dispell, ñòðåìëåíèå ê îáúåêòèâíîñòè îöåíîê. |
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Äîìàøíåå ïåíèå â Ñìóëå
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Òåìà: Re: Âîïëè Jugulatora :)
Âðåìÿ: 08.11.2011 18:36 |
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Íó âû è îôôòîï ðàçâåëè! Çàêàí÷èâàåì îáñóæäåíèå ãàðàíñà â äàííîì òîïå! | |
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Òåìà: Re: Âîïëè Jugulatora :)
Âðåìÿ: 08.11.2011 18:40 |
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>ñòðåìëåíèå ê îáúåêòèâíîñòè îöåíîê. Íî âû æå âèäèòå, ïîëàãàþ, ÷òî âàø ýêñïåðèìåíò ïðîâîäèòñÿ â ñîâåðøåííî äðóãèõ óñëîâèÿõ è åãî ðåçóëüòàòû íå ìîãóò ñîïîñòàâëÿòüñÿ ñ íîìèíàëîì (çâó÷àíèå ïåâöà â òåàòðå). Î êàêèõ îáúåêòèâíûõ îöåíêàõ òîãäà ìîæíî ãîâîðèòü? |
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Òåìà: Re: Âîïëè Jugulatora :)
Âðåìÿ: 09.11.2011 20:15 |
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Ìîñêâà Äîìàøíèé ãîëîñ, äèëåòàíò
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dispell, ÿ îòâåòèë â òåìå "Áðîäÿãà". |
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Äîìàøíåå ïåíèå â Ñìóëå
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Òåìà: Re: Âîïëè Jugulatora :)
Âðåìÿ: 09.11.2011 23:15 |
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Íîâåíüêèé æèâîé êàâåð: | |
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https://www.numberonemusic.com/theperfectbalance - îôèöèàëüíàÿ ñòðàíèöà The Perfect Balance |
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Òåìà: Re: Âîïëè Jugulatora :)
Âðåìÿ: 09.11.2011 23:45 |
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À ÷åãî íå êèíóë îáðàáîòêè? | |
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Òåìà: Re: Âîïëè Jugulatora :)
Âðåìÿ: 10.11.2011 12:59 |
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Äèâàííûé âîêàëèçÄ |
>À ÷åãî íå êèíóë îáðàáîòêè? Âîêàë îáðàáîòàííûé íàëîæåí ïîâåðõ âèäåî. Íå ñîâñåì ïîíÿë êàêàÿ åù¸ îáðàáîòêà íóæíà??? |
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https://www.youtube.com/user/IgorJugulatorZotov - ìîé ìóçûêàëüíûé êàíàë
https://www.numberonemusic.com/theperfectbalance - îôèöèàëüíàÿ ñòðàíèöà The Perfect Balance |
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Òåìà: Re: Âîïëè Jugulatora :)
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Áàñ-áàðèòîí Æèð 
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À ÷åãî òàê ìûøöû íà øåå çàæèìàþöî?0-Î | |
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Íå çàáûòü: òàìïîíû÷ ïåâåö äëÿ êîòîâ
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Òåìà: Re: Âîïëè Jugulatora :)
Âðåìÿ: 10.11.2011 17:26 |
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Äèâàííûé âîêàëèçÄ |
>À ÷åãî òàê ìûøöû íà øåå çàæèìàþöî?0-Î À ôèã åãî çíàåò?! Ïðè ãðîìêîì ðàçãîâîðå òî æå ñàìîå. Íî óñòàëîñòè ãîëîñà íåò. PS: Ïîãëÿäè, êàê Êåí Òýìïëèí íàïðÿãàåòñÿ ïðè ïåíèè! |
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https://www.youtube.com/user/IgorJugulatorZotov - ìîé ìóçûêàëüíûé êàíàë
https://www.numberonemusic.com/theperfectbalance - îôèöèàëüíàÿ ñòðàíèöà The Perfect Balance |
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Òåìà: Re: Âîïëè Jugulatora :)
Âðåìÿ: 10.11.2011 18:41 |
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>>À ÷åãî íå êèíóë îáðàáîòêè? >Âîêàë îáðàáîòàííûé íàëîæåí ïîâåðõ âèäåî. Íå ñîâñåì ïîíÿë êàêàÿ åù¸ îáðàáîòêà íóæíà??? Ìàëî îáðàáîòêè. Ïëîñêîâàòî. |
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Òåìà: Re: Âîïëè Jugulatora :)
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Äèâàííûé âîêàëèçÄ |
Ïîíÿë. Â ñëåäóþùèé ðàç òùàòåëüíåå îáðàáîòàþ. | |
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https://www.youtube.com/user/IgorJugulatorZotov - ìîé ìóçûêàëüíûé êàíàë
https://www.numberonemusic.com/theperfectbalance - îôèöèàëüíàÿ ñòðàíèöà The Perfect Balance |
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Òåìà: Re: Âîïëè Jugulatora :)
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Äèâàííûé âîêàëèçÄ |
Î÷åðåäíîé êàâåð. Íà ýòîò ðàç íà ïåñíþ "Angelia" Ðè÷àðäà Ìàðêñà: | |
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https://www.youtube.com/user/IgorJugulatorZotov - ìîé ìóçûêàëüíûé êàíàë
https://www.numberonemusic.com/theperfectbalance - îôèöèàëüíàÿ ñòðàíèöà The Perfect Balance |
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Òåìà: Re: Âîïëè Jugulatora :)
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Äèâàííûé âîêàëèçÄ |
Ñîâìåñòíûé ïðîåêò ñ ãðóïïîé "Ìåòàëëóðãèÿ": | |
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https://www.youtube.com/user/IgorJugulatorZotov - ìîé ìóçûêàëüíûé êàíàë
https://www.numberonemusic.com/theperfectbalance - îôèöèàëüíàÿ ñòðàíèöà The Perfect Balance |
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Òåìà: Re: Âîïëè Jugulatora :)
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>Ñîâìåñòíûé ïðîåêò ñ ãðóïïîé "Ìåòàëëóðãèÿ": Ýòî ïðÿìî äåêëàìàöèÿ ïîä ìóçûêó. Ïîäà÷è ïî÷òè íåò |
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Òåìà: Re: Âîïëè Jugulatora :)
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>Ýòî ïðÿìî äåêëàìàöèÿ ïîä ìóçûêó. Ïîäà÷è ïî÷òè íåò Êóïëåò òàê è çàäóìàí. À ïîäà÷à õîðîøî ïîìîãàåò â ôóòáîëå
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https://www.youtube.com/user/IgorJugulatorZotov - ìîé ìóçûêàëüíûé êàíàë
https://www.numberonemusic.com/theperfectbalance - îôèöèàëüíàÿ ñòðàíèöà The Perfect Balance |
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Òåìà: Re: Âîïëè Jugulatora :)
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Íî â âîêàëå íå ïîìîãàåò 
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Òåìà: Re: Âîïëè Jugulatora :)
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>Íî â âîêàëå íå ïîìîãàåò ×òî-òî ÿ ñ îáðàáîòêîé íàïîðòà÷èë â ýòîé ïåñíå. Âñå íèçû ïîâûðåçàë. Ëàäíî, ïîïðîáóþ ÷åðåç ïàðó íåäåëü ïî-äðóãîìó åå ñïåòü, à òî óæå "çàåëà" â ãîëîâå
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Òåìà: Re: Âîïëè Jugulatora :)
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Íó òû ïðîñòî ïîé ñèëüíåå òî. Ýòî æå íå áîìæîâè ñîïëèâûé, ïåñíÿ ïðî ìåòàëë æå | |
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Òåìà: Re: Âîïëè Jugulatora :)
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>Íó òû ïðîñòî ïîé ñèëüíåå òî. Ýòî æå íå áîìæîâè ñîïëèâûé, ïåñíÿ ïðî ìåòàëë æå Äà íå ïðèâûê ÿ åù¸ â ýòèõ íàóøíèêàõ ïåòü.  áîäðûõ ïåñíÿõ óõîæó íà îï¸ðòûé "êðèê". Ìÿãêèå ïåñíè íîðìàëüíî èäóò.  îáùåì, åù¸ íàäî êàêîå-òî âðåìÿ ïðèâûêàòü. |
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https://www.numberonemusic.com/theperfectbalance - îôèöèàëüíàÿ ñòðàíèöà The Perfect Balance |
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Òåìà: Re: Âîïëè Jugulatora :)
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Ñòðàííî, âîîáùå â íàóøíèêàõ äîëæíî áûòü íàîáîðîò íàìíîãî ëó÷øå. Âðóáè ìîíèòîðèíã òóäà åù¸ åñëè íå ñäåëàë. Ýòî êîãäà òû ïðîñòî ïî¸øü â ñòåíó òîãäà çà÷àñòóþ ñëîæíî ïîíÿòü íàñêîëüêî ìîùíî íàäî ïåòü | |
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Òåìà: Re: Âîïëè Jugulatora :)
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>Ñòðàííî, âîîáùå â íàóøíèêàõ äîëæíî áûòü íàîáîðîò íàìíîãî ëó÷øå. Âðóáè ìîíèòîðèíã òóäà åù¸ åñëè íå ñäåëàë. Ýòî êîãäà òû ïðîñòî ïî¸øü â ñòåíó òîãäà çà÷àñòóþ ñëîæíî ïîíÿòü íàñêîëüêî ìîùíî íàäî ïåòü Ìíå â íàóøíèêàõ íàìíîãî òðóäíåå ïåòü. Ïðèõîäèòñÿ îðèåíòèðîâàòüñÿ òîëüêî ïî ðåçîíèðîâàíèþ. Ìèíóñ â íàóøíèêàõ ñëûøåí íîðìàëüíî, ãîëîñ òîæå ñëûøåí õîðîøî, íî âñ¸ ðàâíî êàê áóäòî "ïîä âîäîé" ïî¸øü
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https://www.numberonemusic.com/theperfectbalance - îôèöèàëüíàÿ ñòðàíèöà The Perfect Balance |
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Òåìà: Re: Âîïëè Jugulatora :)
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â îáùåì äîëæíî áûòü íå÷òî òàêîå ïî ïîäà÷å â èòîãå. Íó èëè áëèçêî |
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Òåìà: Re: Âîïëè Jugulatora :)
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Äèâàííûé âîêàëèçÄ |
Íó, ýòî ïðîñòî ëþáèìûé òîáîé âîêàëèñò
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https://www.numberonemusic.com/theperfectbalance - îôèöèàëüíàÿ ñòðàíèöà The Perfect Balance |
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Òåìà: Re: Âîïëè Jugulatora :)
Âðåìÿ: 14.11.2011 20:24 |
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Íèæíåâàðòîâñê òåíîð-àðëåêèíî  |
Êñòàòè, âñåãäà óäèâëÿëñÿ Øèïåðñó. Òàêîé, #####, àìáàë, à ïî¸ò íå áàñîì. Êàê òàê? 
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Òåìà: Re: Âîïëè Jugulatora :)
Âðåìÿ: 14.11.2011 20:38 |
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spb.ru I am the Law (c) |
>Íó, ýòî ïðîñòî ëþáèìûé òîáîé âîêàëèñò Îòíþäü. À ÷òî äóìàåøü ðîê âîêàëèñòû ïîþò ïðè çàïèñè êàê-òî ïî-äðóãîìó? |
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Òåìà: Re: Âîïëè Jugulatora :)
Âðåìÿ: 14.11.2011 20:53 |
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Äèâàííûé âîêàëèçÄ |
Èíòåðåñíûå âèäåî. ß ïîäîáíûå íå ðàç óæå âèäåë è ñ Õåòôèëäîì, è ñ Äèêèíñîíîì, è ñ äðóãèìè. Òîëüêî ÿ íå ïîéìó, ê ÷åìó îíè â ýòîé òåìå??? | |
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https://www.youtube.com/user/IgorJugulatorZotov - ìîé ìóçûêàëüíûé êàíàë
https://www.numberonemusic.com/theperfectbalance - îôèöèàëüíàÿ ñòðàíèöà The Perfect Balance |
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Òåìà: Re: Âîïëè Jugulatora :)
Âðåìÿ: 14.11.2011 20:57 |
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spb.ru I am the Law (c) |
Ê òîìó ÷òîáû òû íàâåðíîå ñòàë ïåòü ðîê ïåñíè êàê ðîê à íå êàê ïîï. Îòêóäà ÿ çíàþ åñòü ëè ó òåáÿ ïîíÿòèÿ êàê ïåòü ðîê òî âîîáùå. Ìîæíî êîíå÷íî âñåãäà îòêðåùèâàòüñÿ "ÿ ïîþ êàê ìíå íðàâèòñÿ è îòñòàíüòå îò ìåíÿ". Íî â ðîê ìóçûêå ñâîè ïðèçíàííûå êàíîíû è íàäî â íèõ âñ¸ ðàâíî âïèñûâàòüñÿ. âîò êëàññíîå âèäåî åù¸. Ëþáëþ âñåãäà ñìîòðåòü êàê ó Àðüåíà íàðîä çàïèñûâàåòñÿ |
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Òåìà: Re: Âîïëè Jugulatora :)
Âðåìÿ: 14.11.2011 21:11 |
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Äèâàííûé âîêàëèçÄ |
Òû òàê è íå ïîíÿë ß íå ñòðåìëþñü ê òàêîé ïîäà÷å, ïðîñòî ïðîáóþ ñåáÿ òàì-ñÿì ðàäè èíòåðåñà. À ïåòü ìíå èíòåðåñíåå áîëåå ìÿãêèå âåùè, õîòÿ ñëóøàþ ÿ è ïîòÿæåëåå.
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https://www.youtube.com/user/IgorJugulatorZotov - ìîé ìóçûêàëüíûé êàíàë
https://www.numberonemusic.com/theperfectbalance - îôèöèàëüíàÿ ñòðàíèöà The Perfect Balance |
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Òåìà: Re: Âîïëè Jugulatora :)
Âðåìÿ: 14.11.2011 21:12 |
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spb.ru I am the Law (c) |
Òîãäà ñíèìè ôóòáîëêó Àéðîí Ìýéäåí è íå ïîçîðü íàñ âñåõ!  
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Òåìà: Re: Âîïëè Jugulatora :)
Âðåìÿ: 14.11.2011 21:16 |
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Äèâàííûé âîêàëèçÄ |
Äà óæ êóäà ìíå Âû òóò ðû÷èòå "îò ãðóäè"
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https://www.youtube.com/user/IgorJugulatorZotov - ìîé ìóçûêàëüíûé êàíàë
https://www.numberonemusic.com/theperfectbalance - îôèöèàëüíàÿ ñòðàíèöà The Perfect Balance |
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Òåìà: Re: Âîïëè Jugulatora :)
Âðåìÿ: 14.11.2011 21:19 |
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spb.ru I am the Law (c) |
Äà, è øàïêó ÊÈÑÑ íå çàáóäü! 
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Òåìà: Re: Âîïëè Jugulatora :)
Âðåìÿ: 14.11.2011 21:52 |
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Äèâàííûé âîêàëèçÄ |
Øàïêó ÊÈÑÑ ïðèâàòèçèðîâàëà äî÷êà ))) | |
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https://www.youtube.com/user/IgorJugulatorZotov - ìîé ìóçûêàëüíûé êàíàë
https://www.numberonemusic.com/theperfectbalance - îôèöèàëüíàÿ ñòðàíèöà The Perfect Balance |
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Òåìà: Re: Âîïëè Jugulatora :)
Âðåìÿ: 14.11.2011 21:52 |
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Òåìà: Re: Âîïëè Jugulatora :)
Âðåìÿ: 14.11.2011 21:59 |
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Äèâàííûé âîêàëèçÄ |
>êðóòî Ýòî òû ïðî øàïêó???
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https://www.youtube.com/user/IgorJugulatorZotov - ìîé ìóçûêàëüíûé êàíàë
https://www.numberonemusic.com/theperfectbalance - îôèöèàëüíàÿ ñòðàíèöà The Perfect Balance |
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Òåìà: Re: Âîïëè Jugulatora :)
Âðåìÿ: 14.11.2011 22:30 |
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Íèæíåâàðòîâñê òåíîð-àðëåêèíî |
>>êðóòî >Ýòî òû ïðî øàïêó??? ýòî îí îïÿòü óïîðîëñÿ è ïîëåç íà äðóãîé ôîðóì 
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