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Òåìà: Re: Øèðèíà Äîðîæêè
Âðåìÿ: 14.02.2025 18:46 |
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>øëþïêà, ýòî êàê óãîäíî ëè÷íî äà ìîæíî è òàê. òîëüêî çâóê êîãäà îí â ïðîâîäàõ îí ñòàíîâèòñÿ ýëåêòðè÷åñòâîì. è òàì âñå ñòðîãî è îäíîâðåìåííî ïðîùå . |
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Íåò îæèäàíèé, íåò ðàçî÷àðîâàíèé
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Òåìà: Re: Øèðèíà Äîðîæêè
Âðåìÿ: 14.02.2025 21:26 |
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åùå íàáðîøó, àìåðèêàíöåâ òîæ âîëíóåò òåìà. The +4 is not a number that you need to 'target', it represents the 'nominal' level at which a professional device operates at. 0DBU or .775vrms would be a 'target' but even then that's only relevant to how you're calibrating your rig. Then all of that goes out the window if you're working digitally, which is DBFS. If you have a VU meter, or plugin VU: The reading of the volume indicator shall be 0 VU when it is connected to an AC voltage equal to 1.228 Volts RMS across a 600 ohm resistance (equal to +4 [dBu]) at 1000 cycles per second If you're monitoring in DBFS, this would be around -18DBFS if that's what you choose to use as your analog 0 reference. This would mean that peaks could get as high as -10 to -6DBFS. I hope that helps a little. Just make sure your switches are set to +4 and you shouldn't ever have to think about it really. But it's important to understand. I hope that was clear, it's been a long day. https://gearspace.com/board/post-production-forum/ 1340542-does-4dbu-still-matter.html |
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Òåìà: Re: Øèðèíà Äîðîæêè
Âðåìÿ: 15.02.2025 18:00 |
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äëÿ ñàìûõ ìàëåíüêèõ äåòåé çàñíÿë Ëèêáåç â êàðòèíêàõ. Â ÄÀÂ çâóïùåí ãåíåðàòîð ñèíóñà 1Ê ãðîìêîñòüþ 0dbFS Íà ìàñòåðå ÄÀÂ âûñòàâëåí óðîâåíü -18dbFS Íà àóäèî Èíòåðôåéñå âûõîäíîé óðîâåíü 0db Äàëåå ïðèõîäèò íà ìèêøåð â ëèíåéíûé âõîä. Ôåéäåð êàíàëà âûñòàâëåí â 0 , ìàñòåð ôåéäåð òàêæå â 0 Ñìîòðèì èíäèêàöèþ - 0 Íîìèíàë. Pro Reference Level |
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Òåìà: Re: Øèðèíà Äîðîæêè
Âðåìÿ: 15.02.2025 18:06 |
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À ÷òî áóäåò åñëè âûñòàâèòü 0dbFS íà ìàñòåðå DAW? Ìèêøåð ïîêàçûâàåò +4. Ýòî òå ñàìûå +4dBu Line Level |
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Òåìà: Re: Øèðèíà Äîðîæêè
Âðåìÿ: 15.02.2025 18:23 |
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Íó è äàëüøå ìîæíî åùå çàìåòèòü ÷òî -18db RMS òàê æå ñîîòâåòñòâóþò íîìèíàëüíîìó óðîâíþ Âûñòàâèë Ðîçîâûé øóì íà -18db RMS |
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Òåìà: Re: Øèðèíà Äîðîæêè
Âðåìÿ: 15.02.2025 18:44 |
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Äîõîä÷èâåé óæå íå êóäà  Æàëü íåò íà ïóëüòå âõîäíîãî ãðàäóñíèêà êàê ó âçðîñëûõ
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Òåìà: Re: Øèðèíà Äîðîæêè
Âðåìÿ: 15.02.2025 19:22 |
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Seventy five dollar per mix, ñïàñèáî çà íàãëÿäíóþ ëàáîðàòîðíóþ ðàáîòó Îäèí âîïðîñ, ïî÷åìó íà ýòîì ãðàôèêå øêàëà ñ +4dBu Line Level ðàñïîëîæåíà òàê íèçêî è íå ñîîòâåòñòâóåò 0dbFS íà ìàñòåðå DAW? http://static.musicforums.ru/agora/forums/mfor/studiosound/notes/thumb/1401894.screenshot_20250214_175317.jpg 
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Òåìà: Re: Øèðèíà Äîðîæêè
Âðåìÿ: 15.02.2025 19:28 |
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Èëè +4dBu Line Level è +4dBu pro reference level íà ãðàôèêå íå îäíî è òîæå? èëè 2 ïåðâûõ ñòîëáöà àíàëîãîâûõ êîíñîëåé íàñ ââîäÿò â çàáëóæäåíèå, è äîëæíû áûòü ðàñïîëîæåíû ñîâñåì íå òàê êàê íàì èõ ðèñóåò àâòîð ãðàôèêà?
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Òåìà: Re: Øèðèíà Äîðîæêè
Âðåìÿ: 15.02.2025 19:48 |
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>è äîëæíû áûòü ðàñïîëîæåíû ñîâñåì íå òàê êàê íàì èõ ðèñóåò àâòîð ãðàôèêà? â dBu +4 ïðèðàâíèâàþò 0 ê dbVU. íó òî åñòü åñëè ó òåáÿ òàêîé ïîêàçîìåòð òî ó òåáÿ áóäåò íîðìà 0 à íà ñàìîì äåëå ýòî +4 âîò íàïðèìåð íà ôîòî òàêîé ñëó÷àé äàæ ïîäïèñàíî ÷òî 0=+4 |
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Íåò îæèäàíèé, íåò ðàçî÷àðîâàíèé
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Òåìà: Re: Øèðèíà Äîðîæêè
Âðåìÿ: 15.02.2025 19:49 |
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>Æàëü íåò íà ïóëüòå âõîäíîãî ãðàäóñíèêà êàê ó âçðîñëûõ ýòî äà, íî íà ýòèõ äåøåâûõ ïóëüòàõ áûâàåò êíîïêà PFL íà êàæäîì êàíàëå, êîòîðàÿ ïîêàçûâàåò Pre Fader Låvel íà îñíîâíîì èíäèêàòîðå. Ìîæíî ñîîðèåíòèðîâàòüñÿ |
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Íåò îæèäàíèé, íåò ðàçî÷àðîâàíèé
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Òåìà: Re: Øèðèíà Äîðîæêè
Âðåìÿ: 15.02.2025 19:52 |
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>mixwall ×òî íàùîò ìàðàíòöîâ? ãîäíûå äýêè? |
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Òåìà: Re: Øèðèíà Äîðîæêè
Âðåìÿ: 15.02.2025 19:59 |
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>>è äîëæíû áûòü ðàñïîëîæåíû ñîâñåì íå òàê êàê íàì èõ ðèñóåò àâòîð ãðàôèêà? >â dBu +4 ïðèðàâíèâàþò 0 ê dbVU. íó òî åñòü åñëè ó òåáÿ òàêîé ïîêàçîìåòð òî ó òåáÿ áóäåò íîðìà 0 à íà ñàìîì äåëå ýòî +4 >âîò íàïðèìåð íà ôîòî òàêîé ñëó÷àé äàæ ïîäïèñàíî ÷òî 0=+4 >>è äîëæíû áûòü ðàñïîëîæåíû ñîâñåì íå òàê êàê íàì èõ ðèñóåò àâòîð ãðàôèêà? >â dBu +4 ïðèðàâíèâàþò 0 ê dbVU. íó òî åñòü åñëè ó òåáÿ òàêîé ïîêàçîìåòð òî ó òåáÿ áóäåò íîðìà 0 à íà ñàìîì äåëå ýòî +4 >âîò íàïðèìåð íà ôîòî òàêîé ñëó÷àé äàæ ïîäïèñàíî ÷òî 0=+4 Íàãëÿäíî  Íî âîïðîñ áûë ÷óòêà äðóãîé  >Îäèí âîïðîñ, ïî÷åìó íà ýòîì ãðàôèêå øêàëà ñ +4dBu Line Level >ðàñïîëîæåíà òàê íèçêî è íå ñîîòâåòñòâóåò 0dbFS íà ìàñòåðå DAW? |
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Òåìà: Re: Øèðèíà Äîðîæêè
Âðåìÿ: 15.02.2025 20:05 |
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>Kosmo Çàâèñèò îò ÀÖÏ. Âîò âçÿòü íàïðèìåð Digilab ADC-202 Digicon: Âõîäíîé óðîâåíü ïðè 0 dBFs + 16 dBU unbalanced, + 10 dBU balanced Ó ìåíÿ íà ÀÖÏ 0dbfs ýòî +4dbu èëè -10dBV (ïåðåêëþ÷àåòñÿ) |
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Òåìà: Re: Øèðèíà Äîðîæêè
Âðåìÿ: 15.02.2025 20:07 |
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>+4dbu èëè -10dBV ýòî RMS 1.4 âîëüò è 0.7 âîëüò ñààòâåòñâåíà |
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Òåìà: Re: Øèðèíà Äîðîæêè
Âðåìÿ: 15.02.2025 20:15 |
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partnerstudio, âñå âåðíî, ÿ íå ñîìíåâàþñü ÷òî 0dbfs ýòî +4dbu ÿ íå ïîíèìàþ ïî÷åìó íà ãðàôèêå +4dbu ýòî -18dbfs? >Çàâèñèò îò ÀÖÏ. Âîò âçÿòü íàïðèìåð Digilab ADC-202 Digicon: Âõîäíîé óðîâåíü ïðè 0 dBFs + 16 dBU unbalanced, + 10 dBU balanced >Ó ìåíÿ íà ÀÖÏ 0dbfs ýòî +4dbu èëè -10dBV (ïåðåêëþ÷àåòñÿ) Íå ïîíÿë ïðè ÷åì òóò ÀÖÏ, ðå÷ü æå î ÖÀÏ? Ïîéäó êàêàî íàìåøàþ, ÷òî áû êîòåëîê âàðèë ëó÷øå
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Òåìà: Re: Øèðèíà Äîðîæêè
Âðåìÿ: 15.02.2025 20:28 |
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>âñå âåðíî, ÿ íå ñîìíåâàþñü ÷òî 0dbfs ýòî +4dbu ×èòàé âíèìàòåëüíåé. Ýòî ó ìîåé àöï, à ó Digilab ADC-202 Digicon: Âõîäíîé óðîâåíü ïðè 0 dBFs + 16 dBU unbalanced, + 10 dBU balanced >Íå ïîíÿë ïðè ÷åì òóò ÀÖÏ, ðå÷ü æå î ÖÀÏ? äà ïîôèã |
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Òåìà: Re: Øèðèíà Äîðîæêè
Âðåìÿ: 15.02.2025 20:35 |
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>ðàñïîëîæåíà òàê íèçêî è íå ñîîòâåòñòâóåò 0dbFS íà ìàñòåðå DAW? ñïèøåì íå íåëèíåéíîñòü ïðåäñòàâëåíèÿ ãðàôèêîâ) íó ãëàâíîå ÷òî â ïðèðîäå îíî ïîõîæå. ïî -18dbfs ìîæíî íàõîäèòü íîìèíàë |
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Íåò îæèäàíèé, íåò ðàçî÷àðîâàíèé
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Òåìà: Re: Øèðèíà Äîðîæêè
Âðåìÿ: 15.02.2025 20:38 |
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Èñêëþ÷èòåëüíà ðîêàâûå ÷àñòîòû 
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>âñå âåðíî, ÿ íå ñîìíåâàþñü ÷òî 0dbfs ýòî +4dbu À íàäî áû 0äá ïîëíîé øêàëû ýòî +18 äÁ íà ïóëüòå Òàì íåò òàêîé èíäèêàöèè |
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Òåìà: Re: Øèðèíà Äîðîæêè
Âðåìÿ: 15.02.2025 20:42 |
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>>ðàñïîëîæåíà òàê íèçêî è íå ñîîòâåòñòâóåò 0dbFS íà ìàñòåðå DAW? >ñïèøåì íå íåëèíåéíîñòü ïðåäñòàâëåíèÿ ãðàôèêîâ) íó ãëàâíîå ÷òî â ïðèðîäå îíî ïîõîæå. ïî -18dbfs ìîæíî íàõîäèòü íîìèíàë Íó âîò, ÿ æ ãîâîðþ, ãðàôèê â ÷àñòè àíàëîãîâûõ êîíñîëåé êðèâîé 
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Òåìà: Re: Øèðèíà Äîðîæêè
Âðåìÿ: 15.02.2025 20:45 |
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áëèí ñîðÿí, ýòî ó ìîåãî àöï íîìèíàëüíûé, çíà÷èò 0 dbfs ó ìåíÿ ýòî: +4dBu nominal (+20dBu max) or -10dBV nominal (+6dBu max) |
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Òåìà: Re: Øèðèíà Äîðîæêè
Âðåìÿ: 15.02.2025 21:04 |
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Èñêëþ÷èòåëüíà ðîêàâûå ÷àñòîòû
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>Íó âîò, ÿ æ ãîâîðþ, ãðàôèê â ÷àñòè àíàëîãîâûõ êîíñîëåé êðèâîé Îí íå êðèâîé Íåïîíÿòíî òîëüêî ïî÷åìó â 16 áèò ãðîìêîñòè òàê ìåíÿþòñÿ |
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Òåìà: Re: Øèðèíà Äîðîæêè
Âðåìÿ: 15.02.2025 21:05 |
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>>mixwall >×òî íàùîò ìàðàíòöîâ? ãîäíûå äýêè? ß áàðûãà ÷òîëü ïî âàøåìó? ìàðàíö áûë ñèäè ïðîèãðûâàåòëü èãðàë ëó÷øå ÷åì âåãà 122
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Òåìà: Re: Øèðèíà Äîðîæêè
Âðåìÿ: 15.02.2025 21:11 |
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>>Íó âîò, ÿ æ ãîâîðþ, ãðàôèê â ÷àñòè àíàëîãîâûõ êîíñîëåé êðèâîé >Îí íå êðèâîé >Íåïîíÿòíî òîëüêî ïî÷åìó â 16 áèò ãðîìêîñòè òàê ìåíÿþòñÿ Íå áåðè â ãîëîâó, òû îñîçíàë, ÷òî äëÿ ñíèæåíèÿ øóìà ïîðòîñòóäèè â íåå íåîáõîäèìî ïîäàâàòü ìàêñèìàëüíî ãðîìêèé ñèãíàë? |
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Òåìà: Re: Øèðèíà Äîðîæêè
Âðåìÿ: 15.02.2025 21:18 |
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Íó íå ìàêñèìàëüíî ãðîìêèé íî íîìèíàëüíûé. -18dbFS | |
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Òåìà: Re: Øèðèíà Äîðîæêè
Âðåìÿ: 15.02.2025 21:18 |
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0dbfs - îí ðàçíûé â ðàçíûõ ñòàíäàðòàõ, íà êàðòèíêå óêàçàíî SMPTE Îáùåñòâî èíæåíåðîâ êèíî è òåëåâèäåíèÿ (ñøà) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DBFS BFS is not defined for analog levels, according to standard AES-6id-2006. No single standard converts between digital and analog levels, mostly due to the differing capabilities of different equipment. The amount of oversampling also affects the conversion with values that are too low having significant error. The conversion level is chosen as the best compromise for the typical headroom and signal-to-noise levels of the equipment in question. Examples:[32][33][34] EBU R68 is used in most European countries, specifying +18 dBu at 0 dBFS. In Europe, the EBU recommend that −18 dBFS equates to the alignment level. UK broadcasters, alignment level is taken as 0 dBu (PPM 4 or −4 VU) The American SMPTE standard defines −20 dBFS as the alignment level. European and UK calibration for Post & Film[clarification needed] is −18 dBFS = 0 VU. US installations use +24 dBu for 0 dBFS. American and Australian Post: −20 dBFS = 0 VU = +4 dBu. In Japan, France, and some other countries, converters may be calibrated for +22 dBu at 0 dBFS. BBC specification: −18 dBFS = PPM "4" = 0 dBu German ARD and studio, PPM +6 dBu = −10 (−9) dBFS. +16 (+15) dBu = 0 dBFS. No VU. Belgium VRT: 0 dB (VRT ref.) = +6 dBu; −9 dBFS = 0 dB (VRT ref.); 0 dBFS = +15 dBu. |
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Òåìà: Re: Øèðèíà Äîðîæêè
Âðåìÿ: 15.02.2025 21:20 |
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Òåìà: Re: Øèðèíà Äîðîæêè
Âðåìÿ: 15.02.2025 22:06 |
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>>Æàëü íåò íà ïóëüòå âõîäíîãî ãðàäóñíèêà êàê ó âçðîñëûõ >ýòî äà, íî íà ýòèõ äåøåâûõ ïóëüòàõ áûâàåò êíîïêà PFL íà êàæäîì êàíàëå, êîòîðàÿ ïîêàçûâàåò Pre Fader Låvel íà îñíîâíîì èíäèêàòîðå. Ìîæíî ñîîðèåíòèðîâàòüñÿ ß òî çíàþ À âîò çíàåò ëè òîò ðàäè êîãî òû òóò âñå ïîñòèøü? 
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Òåìà: Re: Øèðèíà Äîðîæêè
Âðåìÿ: 15.02.2025 22:09 |
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>>Íó âîò, ÿ æ ãîâîðþ, ãðàôèê â ÷àñòè àíàëîãîâûõ êîíñîëåé êðèâîé >Îí íå êðèâîé >Íåïîíÿòíî òîëüêî ïî÷åìó â 16 áèò ãðîìêîñòè òàê ìåíÿþòñÿ Ýòî íå ãðîìêîñòè ýòî õåäðóì
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Âðåìÿ: 15.02.2025 22:10 |
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Òåìà: Re: Øèðèíà Äîðîæêè
Âðåìÿ: 15.02.2025 22:18 |
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>Íó íå ìàêñèìàëüíî ãðîìêèé íî íîìèíàëüíûé. -18dbFS Äà, íî ïî÷åìó íà ïðàêòèêå ó òåáÿ ïîëó÷èëàñü ðàçíèöà ìåæäó -18 dbFS è 0 dbFS âñåãî 4 dbu íà ïóëüòå? Ïîäàé îí ñ êàðòû ìóçûêàëüíûé ñèãíàë ñ óðîâíåì - 9 äáFS êàêîé áóäåò óðîâåíü íà ïóëüòå? +2 dbu? |
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Òåìà: Re: Øèðèíà Äîðîæêè
Âðåìÿ: 15.02.2025 22:25 |
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Èñêëþ÷èòåëüíà ðîêàâûå ÷àñòîòû
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>Ýòî íå ãðîìêîñòè ýòî õåäðóì À â 32 áèòàõ òîãäà äîëæíî çà ãîëóáóþ êàðòèíêó óëåòàòü, ïîëó÷àåòñÿ 
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>Äà, íî ïî÷åìó íà ïðàêòèêå ó òåáÿ ïîëó÷èëàñü ðàçíèöà ìåæäó -18 dbFS è 0 dbFS âñåãî 4 dbu íà ïóëüòå? ÿæ ãîâîðþ - íåëèíåéíî îíî. íî ëîãè÷íî |
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Íåò îæèäàíèé, íåò ðàçî÷àðîâàíèé
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Èñêëþ÷èòåëüíà ðîêàâûå ÷àñòîòû
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Âîò ëàãè÷íà | |
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>>Äà, íî ïî÷åìó íà ïðàêòèêå ó òåáÿ ïîëó÷èëàñü ðàçíèöà ìåæäó -18 dbFS è 0 dbFS âñåãî 4 dbu íà ïóëüòå? >ÿæ ãîâîðþ - íåëèíåéíî îíî. íî ëîãè÷íî Òàê è ÿ î òîì æå, íåò íåîáõîäèìîñòè ïîäàâàòü ñèãíàë â êàðòû ñ óðîâíåì -18, åñëè íà ïóëüò èäóò âñåãî 2 äîðîæêè, òîëüêî äëÿ îêðàñà, è ñóììèðîâàòü íè÷åãî íå íóæíî!  ýòîì ñëó÷àå -10 áóäåò áîëåå ðàçóìíî ñ òî÷êè çðåíèÿ ñèãíàë/ øóì, íà ìîé âçãëÿä, Õåäðóìà õâàòèò ñ çàïàñîì
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Òåìà: Re: Øèðèíà Äîðîæêè
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>Âîò ëàãè÷íà Òàì åùå âàæíî ÷òîá 1êãö. Ó òåáÿ 1êãö? |
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Íåò îæèäàíèé, íåò ðàçî÷àðîâàíèé
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Òåìà: Re: Øèðèíà Äîðîæêè
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Èñêëþ÷èòåëüíà ðîêàâûå ÷àñòîòû
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>>Âîò ëàãè÷íà >Òàì åùå âàæíî ÷òîá 1êãö. Ó òåáÿ 1êãö? Äà, âñ¸ íà 1êãö |
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Òåìà: Re: Øèðèíà Äîðîæêè
Âðåìÿ: 15.02.2025 22:39 |
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Èñêëþ÷èòåëüíà ðîêàâûå ÷àñòîòû
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Õîòÿ âðîäå òîæå ëàãè÷íà, 4 äåëåíèÿ îò ñýìåðêè | |
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Èìõî, ïóëüòîâ ëó÷øå ÷óòü îñëàáèòü ñèãíàë, ïðè íåîáõîäèìîñòè, ÷åì åãî óñèëèâàòü 
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Âðåìÿ: 15.02.2025 22:41 |
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Íî âîò íîìèíàë ïðîâåðèëè. Âñå ÷îòêî | |
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Íåò îæèäàíèé, íåò ðàçî÷àðîâàíèé
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Òåìà: Re: Øèðèíà Äîðîæêè
Âðåìÿ: 15.02.2025 22:44 |
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Èñêëþ÷èòåëüíà ðîêàâûå ÷àñòîòû
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À âîò îíî óæå ïîøëî êðàòíî óâåëè÷èâàòüñÿ ïîñëå íóëÿ vu, îäíî äåëåíèå ïîâûñèëî íà 8dbvu (ïðèáëèçèòåëüíî) ãàðìîíè÷åñêèå ïðèêîëû òå ñàìûå | |
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