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Òåìà: Ìèêðîôîí
Âðåìÿ: 04.04.2011 19:35 |
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Ìîñêâà 
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Çäðàâñòâóéòå, íóæåí ìèêðîôîí äëÿ çàïèñè ãèòàðû è ðàçãîâîðîâ ïî ñêàéïó( âòîðîñòåïåííî) ïðèñìîòðåë Shure SM58 è 57, â ÷åì ðàçíèöà ìåæäó íèìè?? åñòü ëè àëüòåðíàòèâà çà ýòè äåíüãè, áþäæåò â 2 òûñÿ÷è ( ÁÓ) êàê îòëè÷èòü ìåêñèêàíöà îò êèòàéöà? | |
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Òåìà: Re: Ìèêðîôîí
Âðåìÿ: 04.04.2011 20:20 |
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íó, äëÿ ðàçãîâîðîâ ïî ñêàéïà íà ñòóäèéíîì çâóêå ñïðàøèâàòü - ýòî ñèëüíî...))))) >ïðèñìîòðåë Shure SM58 è 57, â ÷åì ðàçíèöà ìåæäó íèìè?? òóò áóäåò êîððåêòíåå ñïðîñèòü, ÷òî ó íèõ îáùåãî=) Ýòî ñîâñåì ðàçíûå ìèêðîôîíû. |
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Òåìà: Re: Ìèêðîôîí
Âðåìÿ: 04.04.2011 20:30 |
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êàêîé ïîäîéäåò ëó÷øå äëÿ çàïèñè ãèòàðû? | |
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Òåìà: Re: Ìèêðîôîí
Âðåìÿ: 04.04.2011 20:37 |
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Shure SM58 áîëüøå îðèåíòèðîâàí íà âîêàë, à âîò Shure SM57 - èíñòðóìåíòàëüíûé - êàê ðàç òî ÷òî íóæíî 
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Òåìà: Re: Ìèêðîôîí
Âðåìÿ: 04.04.2011 20:38 |
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Êóðñê âîêàë/ãèòàðà/áàñ/...
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Èç ýòèõ äâóõ 57. Íî áåç ïðåàìïà, èëè õîðîøåé çâóêîâóõè âñå ðàâíî íå çàïèøåøü. À äëÿ ñêàéïà åñòü îòëè÷íûå ìèêðîôîíû çà 60ðóá. è ñìûñëà ïåðåïëà÷èâàòü íå âèæó. 
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Òåìà: Re: Ìèêðîôîí
Âðåìÿ: 04.04.2011 20:39 |
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×åëÿáèíñêèå ìóæèêè íàñòîëüêî ñóðîâû, ÷òî êîãäà ðàçãîâàðèâàþò ïî Ñêàéïó, òî äàæå íå ïîäêëþ÷àþò ìèêðîôîí - îíè îðóò ïðÿìî â USB-ïîðò
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Òåìà: Re: Ìèêðîôîí
Âðåìÿ: 04.04.2011 20:53 |
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>Shure SM58 áîëüøå îðèåíòèðîâàí íà âîêàë, à âîò Shure SM57 - èíñòðóìåíòàëüíûé Íó êàê áû äà, óçóàëüíî - òàê. Õîòÿ îñîáåííîñòè äàííîé ãèòàðû è äàííîãî ìèêðîôîíà íåëüçÿ óïóñêàòü èç âèäó... |
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Òåìà: Re: Ìèêðîôîí
Âðåìÿ: 05.04.2011 00:14 |
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Ìîñêâà
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>>ïðèñìîòðåë Shure SM58 è 57, â ÷åì ðàçíèöà ìåæäó íèìè?? >òóò áóäåò êîððåêòíåå ñïðîñèòü, ÷òî ó íèõ îáùåãî=) Ýòî ñîâñåì ðàçíûå ìèêðîôîíû. à íè÷åãî, ÷òî ýòî îäèí è òîò æå ìèêðîôîí? òîëüêî 58 - ñ ãðèëåì. îòêðó÷èâàåøü ãîëîâó è ïîëó÷àåøü 57.. |
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Òåìà: Re: Ìèêðîôîí
Âðåìÿ: 05.04.2011 00:18 |
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>à íè÷åãî, ÷òî ýòî îäèí è òîò æå ìèêðîôîí? >òîëüêî 58 - ñ ãðèëåì. îòêðó÷èâàåøü ãîëîâó è ïîëó÷àåøü 57.. Íå òåñòèðîâàë íà ïðêàòèêå, íî ìíå êàæåòñÿ, ÷òî â ëþáîì ñëó÷àå íóæíî ó÷èòûâàòü îñîáåííîñòè êîíñòðóêöèé. äàæå ïðè ñíÿòîé ãîëîâå 58ãî - çâóê ó íèõ íàâåðíàÿêà áóäåò ðàçíûé. |
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Òåìà: Re: Ìèêðîôîí
Âðåìÿ: 05.04.2011 00:43 |
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n0-YåS..less , íó äûê êóëå
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Òåìà: Re: Ìèêðîôîí
Âðåìÿ: 05.04.2011 01:03 |
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> n0-YåS..less , íó äûê êóëå ýòî äà èëè íåò? ))))) |
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Òåìà: Re: Ìèêðîôîí
Âðåìÿ: 05.04.2011 01:08 |
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>ýòî äà èëè íåò? ))))) Ýòî è íå äà è íå íåò))) ýòî òàêîå ïîæàòèå ïëå÷àìè)))) ß-òî íà ïî ïðîãðàììå òàêîãî íàó÷íîãî ôàêòà íå ïðîõîäèë ïî ñóòè, ýòî ìîé ñîáñòâåííûé äîìûñåë
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Òåìà: Re: Ìèêðîôîí
Âðåìÿ: 05.04.2011 12:33 |
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ýíòóçàçèñò çâóêîçàïèñè
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>>>ïðèñìîòðåë Shure SM58 è 57, â ÷åì ðàçíèöà ìåæäó íèìè?? >>òóò áóäåò êîððåêòíåå ñïðîñèòü, ÷òî ó íèõ îáùåãî=) Ýòî ñîâñåì ðàçíûå ìèêðîôîíû. > >à íè÷åãî, ÷òî ýòî îäèí è òîò æå ìèêðîôîí? >òîëüêî 58 - ñ ãðèëåì. îòêðó÷èâàåøü ãîëîâó è ïîëó÷àåøü 57.. ÏÐî ãîëîâû òî ïîíÿòíî (ÿ íå òîëüêî ïðî ãðèëü, à ïðî êàïñþëè ).À ðàçâå òàì òðàíñû íå ðàçíûå ? |
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Òåìà: Re: Ìèêðîôîí
Âðåìÿ: 05.04.2011 16:37 |
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òàê êàêîé ëó÷øå âçÿòü? 57 èëè 58 ?? âàæíî, êàê îòëè÷èòü êèòàéöà îò ìåêñèêàíöà??? | |
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Òåìà: Re: Ìèêðîôîí
Âðåìÿ: 05.04.2011 16:52 |
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ýíòóçàçèñò çâóêîçàïèñè
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1.ÊËÀÑÑÈÊÀ - 57 íà ãèòàðû. 2.Ïðî Êèòàéöåâ è Ìåêñîâ èùèòå â ýòîé âåòêå (áûëî òàêîå îáñóæäåíèå) èëè â ïîèñêîâèêàõ - áûëè òîëêîâûå ñòàòüè. |
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Òåìà: Re: Ìèêðîôîí
Âðåìÿ: 05.04.2011 16:55 |
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ß áû ïîñîâåòîâàë 57... íåãî è âîêàë èíîãäà çâó÷èò âåñüìà è âåñüìà. À ïî ïîâîäó îòëè÷èé, äà, ïîþçàé ïîèñêîâèê, áàíàëüíî. ß êàê-òî íàõîäèë ïîäðîáíóþ ñòàòüþ |
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Òåìà: Re: Ìèêðîôîí
Âðåìÿ: 05.04.2011 16:57 |
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Ïèòåð Ìèêøåð 
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Òðàíñû â 57 è 58 îäèíàêîâûå, à âîò ëàìïû ðàçíûå: â 57-ì ñòîèò 6072, à â 58-ì 12AY7. | |
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Òåìà: Re: Ìèêðîôîí
Âðåìÿ: 05.04.2011 16:59 |
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>Òðàíñû â 57 è 58 îäèíàêîâûå, à âîò ëàìïû ðàçíûå: â 57-ì ñòîèò 6072, à â 58-ì 12AY7. Âû ÷òî! Ó ìåíÿ æ â ðóêàõ ÷àé ãîðÿ÷èé.... ÷óòü íå îáîæãëàñü.... ïðåäóïðåæäàòü íàäî.... |
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Òåìà: Re: Ìèêðîôîí
Âðåìÿ: 05.04.2011 17:05 |
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Ïèòåð Ìèêøåð
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Ïîñòàâüòå ÷àé, è ïîãóãëèòå íàñ÷¸ò ðàçëè÷èé 6072 è 12AY7.
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Òåìà: Re: Ìèêðîôîí
Âðåìÿ: 05.04.2011 17:08 |
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çàèíòðèãîâàëè... ïîñòàâèëà, ãóãëþ.... | |
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Òåìà: Re: Ìèêðîôîí
Âðåìÿ: 05.04.2011 17:17 |
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íè÷åãî èíòåðåñíîãî, åñëè ÷åñòíî, êðîìå âîò ýòîãî ïîñòà: >The Soviet tube industrial "policy" was mainly oriented towards shamessly copying every Western design they could lay their hands on. The problem is that the copying decisions were taken on a rather political,concurential level (the commies didn't have any problem about the natural resources,energy,R&D,tooling and labour force in those days).Consequently,the "cloning" decisions were entirely taken by a bunch of undiscerned,non-professional guys whose goals were something like "we don't know exactly what it's good for but let's have it cloned,just in case". I could name you a few hundreds of Soviet tubes that appeared this way (they even cloned the very rare WE 6386),though many of them were partially unknown to the masses because of the stupid "military secret" policy. Though...in a spirit of fairness,one should recognise that not ALL the Russian tubes were cloned after Western originals.Some designs,such as 6Í1Ï (6N1Pi),6Í6Ï (6N6Pi-the starting point for the 6N30) and 6C19C (6S19S) are genuine Russian designs.Some other tubes,such as GU50 represents a major improvement over the original (in that case,WWII Telefunken and Valvo LS50...the best ~50 MHz glass output pentode in the 40W class ever.) (One word about the 6N1Pi:the Western tube world is incorrectly putting it in the ECC88/6DJ8/6922 ballpark.6N1Pi doesn't belong there!The exact Russian equivalent is named 6Í23Ï (6N23Pi) but looks like this is totally unknown...well,no wonder. The original Russian version of 12AY7 is called 6Í4Ï (6N4Pi) and it has EXACTLY the same catalog/measured specs and pinout as the original 12AY7,though I've found them a little noisier than a real 6072,maybe because of a poorer filament construction.I'm not sure when the first clones appeared but the two Russian NOS samples I have in my collection are dated 1964 and 1965 respectively. AFAIK,the 6N4Pi came a little too late...they were used in some short-issued consumer radio receivers and some obscure industrial and military equipment but nothing further.The arrival of the SS devices simply put on a dead line almost all of the "off-the-mainstream" tubes,6N4Pi included. The EH/Sovtek/whatever modern versions are somewhat different than the 6N4Pi and somewhat closer sonically to the Western-made 12AY7. I tested all three types (NOS Russian,NOS Philips CGI and modern EH) in my microphone preamps and there's no doubt:NOS russians are the noisiest and unusable.The sonic character differences between Philips and EH is another issue...I found the later to be a little more opened but unrefined. < Èëè ÿ ÷òî-òî óïóñòèëà èëè ìíå îòêàçàëî ÷åñòîå ÷óâñòâî? |
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Òåìà: Re: Ìèêðîôîí
Âðåìÿ: 05.04.2011 17:19 |
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îé, äîøëî..... êàê äî æèðàôà
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Òåìà: Re: Ìèêðîôîí
Âðåìÿ: 05.04.2011 17:40 |
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>Òðàíñû â 57 è 58 îäèíàêîâûå òðàíñû áûâàþò ðàçíûå, |
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Òåìà: Re: Ìèêðîôîí
Âðåìÿ: 05.04.2011 17:58 |
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lady , ýòî ó RPstudio ÷òî-òî ñ êàëåíäàð¸ì è ÷àñàìè! 
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Òåìà: Re: Ìèêðîôîí
Âðåìÿ: 05.04.2011 18:11 |
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>lady , ýòî ó RPstudio ÷òî-òî ñ êàëåíäàð¸ì è ÷àñàìè! íó ïîñêîëüêó ó ìåíÿ ÷òî-òî ñ øååé, òî êàê ðàç... ïîêà äîøëî
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Òåìà: Re: Ìèêðîôîí
Âðåìÿ: 06.04.2011 10:28 |
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ýíòóçàçèñò çâóêîçàïèñè
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>Òðàíñû â 57 è 58 îäèíàêîâûå, à âîò ëàìïû ðàçíûå: â 57-ì ñòîèò 6072, à â 58-ì 12AY7. ...ôèãëè - ó ìåíÿ íà ïîëåâèêàõ
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Òåìà: Re: Ìèêðîôîí
Âðåìÿ: 06.04.2011 12:32 |
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×åðåïîâåö âèëû, ëîïàòà è ò.ä. 
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Ïîñëåäíèå ñâåäåíèÿ íà ñ÷¸ò òðàíñîâ è êàïñþëåé íà Beta 57A/58A: Òàê ÷òî, ìîæíî ïîêóïàòü 58-é, à, åñëè ïîíàäîáèòñÿ 57-é, òî ñêðóòèòü ñ íåãî ñåòêó.  Beta 57A ñåòêà âûïîëíÿåò ëèøü çàùèòíóþ ôóíêöèþ, âíóòðè òîëüêî òîíêàÿ òêàíåâàÿ ñåòî÷êà, âèäèìî îò ïûëè è âîçìîæíûõ ïëåâêîâ. À âîò êàïñþëÿ ó Beta è SM äåéñòâèòåëüíî ðàçíûå. Ýòî âèäíî äàæå ïî äèàãðàììå íàïðàâëåííîñòè. |
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