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ñîáñòâåííî ñìîòðåòü â ìîþ ïîäïèñü, à òåìó ÿ ñîçäàë ÷òîá ñîîáùåíèé ñåáå íàáèòü ) ãðóçíûå ñìûñëîâûå òåêñòû, íàñûùåííàÿ ýëåêòðîíèêà, ïðîñòûå òàíöåâàëüíûå ðèòìû, ïðîñòàÿ ýëåêòðîãèòàðà, ñðåäíåé(äî òÿæåëîé) ñëîæíîñòè áàññ, âîêàë ÷åðåç ôèëüòðû....  | 
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íå, ãëàâíî ÷òîá ìóçûêà íðàâèëàñü. ÿ õî÷ó ñ óêëîíîì â òàíöåâàëüíûå ðèòìû äåëàòü.. áåç æèâûõ óäàðíûõ... íó èëè ñ æèâûìè íî îîî÷åíü âûíîñëèâûì äðàììåðîì... à òàê äðàìììàøèíêà â óãëó óæå æäåò ñâîåãî ÷åðåäà)  | 
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àãà) ÿ ùàñ íà ðåïó ïîáåã, âåðíóñü èùå ÷åíèòü òóò ïîíàïèøó, õî÷ó çîëîòûõ çâåçäî÷åê)) à åñëè ïî òåìå, òî êàêóþ òû ìóçûêó ñëóøàåøü è ê ÷åìó âîîáùå ïðåäðàñïîëîæåí..ÿ õî÷ó ÷òîá Èçãîòîâëÿåìàÿ ìóçûêà íðàâèëàñü âñåì ó÷àñòíèêàì îäèíàêîãî íà 100%, à òî íå áóäåò òîãî "óäîâëåòâîðåíèÿ è òâîð÷åñêîãî ýêñòàçà" (ñ) íåïîìíþ êòî, íî êòî-òî èç êëàññèêîâ.  | 
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                                    òàêæå íàäî áûòü ÿðêîé ëè÷íîñòüþ, òàê ÷òîá øîêèðîâàòü è âîñõèùàòü ñëóøàòåëÿ... | |
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                                    ÷óâàê äàâàé ýëåêòðîíùèíó áàöàòü | |
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kk... ãðóçíûå ñìûñëîâûå òåêñòû, íàñûùåííàÿ ýëåêòðîíèêà, ïðîñòûå òàíöåâàëüíûå ðèòìû, ïðîñòàÿ ýëåêòðîãèòàðà, ñðåäíåé(äî òÿæåëîé) ñëîæíîñòè áàññ, âîêàë ÷åðåç ôèëüòðû....  | 
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                                    õî÷ó çîëîòóþ çâåçäî÷êó. | |
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                                    ÿ ïðîñíóëñÿ, ñèæó, ðàçáèðàþñü ñ äðàìììàøèíêîé...èíòåðåñíàÿ øòóêà... | |
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                                    çðÿ ÿ ïðîñòåíüêóþ êóïèë, êàêòî ïðîñòî ñ íåé âñå... íî â ïðèíöèïå äðàììíáàññ óæå ñòó÷èò))) íàôèê îí íóæåí... | |
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                                    ïîçâîíþ êà ÿ áàññ ãèòàðèñòó ! =Ð | |
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                                    áëèí. äåíåã íà òåëåôîí ïîëîæèë...à ïîçâîíèòü çàáûë... =( çíà÷èò ïîçâîíþ êà ÿ åùå ðàç)) | |
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                                    ìàòåðèàë íå ïëîõîé íàäî ïîïðîáîâàòü | |
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åñòü ïðåäëîæåíèå âëèòüñÿ â óæå ñóùåñòâóþùèé ïðîåêò n-616 http://616.stillclouds.com http://myspace.com/n616 ïðàâäà, áàðàáàíùèê æèâîé áóäåò, íà êîíöåðòàõ âî âñÿêîì ñëó÷àå  | 
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                                    ñëóøàþ âàøè òðåêè | |
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groove ó âàñ ìàòåðèàë ïðèêîëüíûé òîëüêî âîïðîñ : êòî âàì íóæåí òî?  | 
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                                    áóäó äóìàòü. ïîèñê íå îòìåíÿåöà. | |
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2danusha >groove >ó âàñ ìàòåðèàë ïðèêîëüíûé òîëüêî âîïðîñ : êòî âàì íóæåí òî? Èì íóæåí âîêàëèñò    (íî è îò âîêàëèñòêè îíè íå îòêàæóöî)2BeNZeeN Èçâèíè ó ìåíÿ icq âûðóáèëàñü  | 
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                                    ïàðíè íåçíàþ... íàäî ïîäóìàòü... ñëèøêîì ëåãêîå,÷åãî òî íå õâàòàåò äëÿ ìåíÿ, íî ÷åì òî öåïëÿåò... | |
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                                    è îïÿòü òàêè õî÷åöà çîëîòóþ çâåçäî÷êó.à âñÿêóþ ôèãíþ òèïà ÀÏîâ è ïðî÷èõ êîðîòêèõ ñëîâ ïèñàòü íå õî÷ó(( | |
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                                    êîå êîãî èç ìóçûêàíòîâ íàøë... ïðîäîëæàþ èñêàòü òåõ ïðî êîãî ó ìåíÿ â ïîäïèñè íàïèñàíî... | |
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                                    âîò áû ñýìïëåðà ñ ñýìïëåðîì íàéòè...ýõ | |
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                                    ÿ íå ïñèõ) ÿ òîêà ó÷óñü) | |
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                                    ñåãîäíÿ çàíèìàëñÿ äðàìîì...íîðì âûøëî íî íàäî åùå äîðàáîòàòü è ïåðåðàáîòàòü... =ð | |
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                                    à âîîáùå êóéíÿ âûøëà... ùàñ âñå ïåðåäåëàþ. | |
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...Òû ÷¸,ñàì ñ ñîáîé ðàçãîâàðèâàåøü???  
                                        
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                                    Ïîñëóøàòü âàøå òâîð÷åñòâî ãäå-íèáóäü ìîæíî? Êàêèå òðåáîâàíèÿ ñòàâèòå ïåðåä êëàâèøíèêîì/ýëåêòðîíùèêîì (âîçðàñò, îïûò, õàðèçìà è ò.ä.)? Ïðèìåðíûå òâîð÷åñêèå îðèåíòèðû? | |
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Ìàëü÷èê-Áàðàáàí, ÿ - ëó÷øèé äðóã, êîòîðûé ó ìåíÿ êîãäà ëèáî áûë... Ñêàëüïåëü, íàøå òâîð÷åñòâî ïîñëóøàòü íåëüçÿ. =( âîçðàñò...íó æåëààààòåëüíî îò 18, íî âñå-òàêè âàæíåå îïûò...à åùå âàæíåå îïûòà êðåàòèâíîñòü â öåëîì..îò ìóçûêè äî âíåøíîñòè... õàðèçìà ... ñäåëàåì òâîð÷åñêèõ îðèåíòèðîâ ... ÿ á íå ñêàçàë êàòåãîðè÷åñêè "Íåò òàêèõ".. ïðîñòî ÿ èõ íå ñëûøàë... êîå ÷òî èç KMFDM, êîå ÷òî èç alien_vampires(ìíå ãèòàðèñò ïðèñëàë îäíó ïåñíþ,âðîäå òî ÷ò íàäî..òîê òàì ãèòàð íåò)... áëèí ìíå ïî÷åìó òî âñåãäà áûëî ñëîæíî ïîäîáðàòü íà ÷òî äîëæíî áûòü ïîõîæå... ìîæåò òû ìíå ïðèøëåøü íà ïî÷òó ïðèìåðû òîãî ÷òî íðàâèöà ýëåêòðîíùèêó, à ÿ ñêàæó òî ýòî èëè íåò?)  | 
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Êèíóë òåáå íà ìûëî ïèñüìåöî... À ïî÷åìó ýëåêòðîíùèê èìåííî ñ SP-606? Âàðèàíò 'íîóòáóê+midi' êàòåãîðè÷åñêè íå ïîäõîäèò?  | 
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                                    à õàðèçìà äîëæíà áûòü áðèòîé......)) | |
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íîóòáóê+midi íà ïåðâîå âðåìÿ. ïîòîì îáÿçàòåëüíî ñåìïëåð. SP-606 íà ìîé âçãëÿä ñàìàÿ ïîäõîäÿùàÿ ïî ñîîòíîøåíèþ öåíà\\êà÷åñòâî ìîäåëü.  | 
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ÇÛ. â ïðèíöèïå ïîìî÷ü ñ ïîêóïêîé ñìîæåì  | 
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Ýýý...áðð... ñîîL - êòî-òî øïðåõåí Èíãëèø - âåððè-âåððè âåëë ß èãðàþ íà êîðãå - ðàá. ñòàíö., íó è òèïà âîêàëèñòêà - ãîëîñ ó ìåíÿ áåçóìíûé è íèêòî â ãðóïïó íå áåðåò : )) Åñëè âû ïðàâäà ÷òî-òî òîëêîâîå äåëàåòå, è æåëàòåëüíî, ÷òîáû ãèòàðû òÿæåëûå ïðèñóòñòâîâàëè, òî êîëè íàäî - ìîãó ïîñîáèòü : )ìóç. òîæå ïèøó  | 
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Âñåãäà äóìàë, ÷òî âîçìîæíîñòè 'midi+íîóò' ãîðàçäî âûøå, ÷åì ó îáûêíîâåííîãî ñýìïëåðà/ñåêâåíñîðà  
                                        
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Ñêàëüïåëü, ñýìïëåð\\ñåêâåñòîð... à ëó÷øå ñèíòåçàòîð...  ïëþñ íîóò. =Ð . Andromeda ì\\ó ïðî÷èì âåñüìà òî ÷òî íàäî  vocalsûû, íàä âñòðåòèöà ïîîáùàöà è âñå òàêîå =) Author,     
                                        
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                                    ×å òû õî÷åøü? Ò ûíà Ïëîùàäü Èññêóñòâ ïðèõîäèë, êîãäà ÿ òÿ çâàë? | |
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ÂàìïèðÝðíàé, íå íå ïðèõîäèë, ÿ æ òåáå ïèñàë òîãäà ÷òî íå ñìîãó. à õî÷ó â êðàöå EBM. à ýòî íå òÿæåëàÿ ãîòè÷åñêàÿ ìóçûêà...  | 
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vocalsûû, íàä âñòðåòèöà ïîîáùàöà è âñå òàêîå =) Êîëè òû íå ìàíüÿê - óáèéöà, òàäû äàâàé, à òî ïîòîì ìå÷è ëåíèâî îò êðîâè îòòèðàòü : ))) êîðî÷å ïèøè - íà lunarval@inbox.ru - íîìåðîê òåëåôîí÷èíêà ñêèíó  | 
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                                    ####ÿÿÿ... óòðîì ïðèõîäèò ñìñêà "çàéäè â àñüêó" çàõîæó â àñüêó òàì "ïðîâåðü ìûëî" ñìîòðþ ïèñüìî - "ïîçâîíè ìíå!" çâîíþ, à òàì - "ïðèâåò! ïîãëÿäè êà àñüêó!" | |
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                                    ëàäíî. íàïèñàë. ìîãëàá è ñàìà ïîçâîíèòü... îò 2õ ðóáëåé íå óáóäåò... ^_^ | |
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                                    åñëè åñòü ïîäõîäÿùèé äðàììåð òî äàâàé ê íàì... | |
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                                    âåñü êîñÿê òåïåðü òàêîâ - íàäî íàéòè óäàðíèêà ÷òîá ïîòÿíóë... è âûáðàòü èç ãèòàðèñòîâ êòî íàèáîëåå ïîäõîäèò... èáî íóæåí òîêà îäèí ãèòàðèñò. | |
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                                    many many ... 2 ñèíòåçàòîðà â ãðóïïå - ïåðåáîð? ) | |
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                                    ýòî ñîîáùåíèå ïîìîæåò ìíå ïîëó÷èòü êðàñíóþ çâåçäó. | |
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                                    ïðîíèêøèéñÿ áàðàáàíåð åñòü? | |
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                                    ýõ....íóæåí ëè áàññèñò?íåò íàâåðíî... | |
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!!!!!!!!!ÇÄÎÐÎÂÀ ÔÐÈÊ!!!!!!!!!!! ×å çàâûë íà ýòîì ãîïíåòñêîí ñàéòå? Ãðóïïó ðóëèøü? ß òîæå â ïîèñêå... Àíäðþõà COREàáëü  | 
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                                    Êàêèå òðåáîâàíèÿ îò áàðàáàíùèêà? | |
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äîëæåí áûòü ÷åòûðåõðóêèé êèáîðã ñ êàðäàíîì âìåñòî íîã, ñ çàäàòêàìè äðàìììàøèíû, ãîòîâûé â ëþáîé ìîìåíò çàõâàòèòü ìèð... à âîîáùå òåõíèêà ðóê íà ïåðâîå ìåñòî... ïðîñòî ìû ïîñîâåùàëèñü è ðåøèëè ÷òî õîðîøèé áàðàáàíùèê êàøè íå èñïîðòèò.  | 
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                                    òàê.. 3åãî ÷èñëà âñòðå÷à íà Ñåííîé. | |
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                                    äàâàéòå âñå ñ êåì äîãîâîðèëñÿ 3åãî ÷èñëà âñòðå÷àåìñÿ.åñëè êòî åùå õî÷åò ïèøèòå ñþäà èëè íà ïî÷òó...íó â îáùåì ìíå ÿ òî÷íîå ìåñòî è âðåìÿ íàïèøó =) | |
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                                    äàâàé äíåì. íî ëó÷øå âå÷åðîì. âäðóã êòî ðàáîòàåò? | |
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                                    ñåãîäíÿ ÿ â ëåãåíäå îòûãðàë..áëèí..êðóòî!! | |
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Âñåì çäàðîâà ! 3ãî âå÷åðîì áûëîáû íå ïëîõî !!!!!!!! Åñëè ïðèìåòè !!!  | 
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Ó ìåíÿ áðàò ìëàäøèé èãðàë â ëåãåíäå .Ãîâîðèò òàì çâóê  õåðîîâûé !Õîòÿ åñëè çðèòåëü õîðîøèé òî ìîæíî è â ïîäâàëå ïîëó÷èòü êàéô !ß êàê òî èãðàë â ïîäîáíîì ìåñòå . Ïîäâàë ïîäâàëîì ,à êàéô ïîëó÷èë !!!!!!     
                                        
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                                    saintkron, êàê íè ñòðàííî íî çâóê áûë íà âûñîòå!!! îíè òàì ÷âîòî íîâîãî ïðèêóïèëè êàê ðàç ïîä ýòîò ôåñò... | |
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                                    ÷å çà ôèøêà ñ ãëàçàìè? êàêîé â ýòîì ñìûñë? | |
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KerOSeeN, ýòî ÷òîá âñå äóìàëè "÷å çà ôèøêà ñ ãëàçàìè? êàêîé â ýòîì ñìûñë?" è çàïîìèíàëè òàêèì îáðàçîì ãðóïïó  | 
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                                    ïîñëå çàâòðà òðåòüå... õû =) | |
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                                    ó ìåíÿ áóòûëêà øàìïóíÿ åñòü . 3-ãî âûïüåì. | |
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cîñòàâ ãðóïïû  - ñèíòàçàòîð õ 2, âîêàëñ - éà îäèí, ãèòàðà\\áàñ ëèáî îäèí ëèáî äâà ðàçíûõ ëþäÿ. óäàðíûå (+\\-) - êàê ðåøèì. âîò òàê âîò. âñå çàèíòåðåñîâàííûå ãîòîâèìñÿ ê âñòðå÷å âå÷åðîì 3åãî ÷èñëà íà ñåííîé.  | 
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Ich brauche Öl für Gasolin, Explosiv wie Kerosin, Mit viel Oktan und frei von Blei, Einen Kraftstoff wie Benzin!!!!!!!!  | 
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Áåíçèí,íà ìûëî ãëÿíü,ÿ â÷åðà ïèñàëà. Ñåé÷àñ òîæ íàïèøó - âîïðîñ âîçíèê.  | 
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äà,è ìîé íåäîñòóïåí,ÿ ñåé÷àñ ïûòàëàñü çàéòè,ãîâîðÿò ÷åðåç 3 ÷àñà çàêîí÷àò. âîò òàêàÿ íåçàäà÷à...  
                                        
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ÍÈÊÀ à ìîé óæå ðàáîòàåò òîê ïèñüìà îò òÿ íå ïîëó÷èë((  http://foto.mail.ru/mail/sixty9/b-n-d/ - ôîòî ñ êîíöåðòà  | 
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òîëüêî ÷òî íàïèñàëà âòîðîå ïèñüìî. à ïåðâîå (â÷åðàøíåå) âèäèìî íå äîøëî.Ñåé÷àñ ïåðåîòïðàâëþ  | 
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                                         Âðåìÿ: 05.01.2007 01:37  | 
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                                            Ðàóëü Ðàìçåñ â î÷êå ïûëàåò àäñêèé çàìåñ  | 
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                                         Âðåìÿ: 05.01.2007 15:01  | 
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                                    ÷åããîî?? êîãäà?? èäó! | |
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                                         Âðåìÿ: 05.01.2007 17:24  | 
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Ýòî îíè 13 ÿíâ. ïðåäâêóøàþò  | 
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                                         Âðåìÿ: 05.01.2007 18:13  | 
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                                            Ðàóëü Ðàìçåñ â î÷êå ïûëàåò àäñêèé çàìåñ  | 
                                    
                                        
 
                                        
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                                         Âðåìÿ: 05.01.2007 18:24  | 
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                                            Ðàóëü Ðàìçåñ â î÷êå ïûëàåò àäñêèé çàìåñ  | 
                                    
                                        
 
                                        
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                                         Âðåìÿ: 05.01.2007 19:33  | 
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                                    à êî ìíå íà äåíü ðîæäåíèÿ ïðèäåòå? =) 30 ÿíâàðÿ â êëóáå òÿïíèöà) | |
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                                         Âðåìÿ: 05.01.2007 19:35  | 
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                                            Ðàóëü Ðàìçåñ â î÷êå ïûëàåò àäñêèé çàìåñ  | 
                                    
                                        
ïî êëóáàì íå õîäèì  | 
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                                         Âðåìÿ: 05.01.2007 19:53  | 
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äàæå íà ôåñòèâàëü íà êîòîðîì ÿ èãðàþ, è êîòîðûé ìíå ïîñâÿùåí?   | 
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                                         Âðåìÿ: 05.01.2007 19:57  | 
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                                            Ðàóëü Ðàìçåñ â î÷êå ïûëàåò àäñêèé çàìåñ  | 
                                    
                                        
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                                         Âðåìÿ: 05.01.2007 20:45  | 
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                                    Dominius, íó ÷âî íå ïåðåäóìàë*? =Ð | |
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                                         Âðåìÿ: 05.01.2007 20:47  | 
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                                            Ðàóëü Ðàìçåñ â î÷êå ïûëàåò àäñêèé çàìåñ  | 
                                    à êòî òàì âûñòóïàòü áóäåò? | |
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                                         Âðåìÿ: 05.01.2007 20:52  | 
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íó ãðóá ãîâîðÿ êîãî ÿ ïîçîâó... ãëàâíîå ÷òî òàì áóäóò âûñòóïàòü Bliss and Death!!! íó è Fairies Scream. ÿ òàê æå äóìàþ ÷òî ïðèñîåäèíèöà Cold Fog, F20, ZeSlone... è åùå äâå ãðóïïû íàçâàíèÿ áëèí íå ïîìíþ.))  | 
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                                         Âðåìÿ: 06.01.2007 13:52  | 
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                                    Duality åùå áóäèò | |
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                                         Âðåìÿ: 06.01.2007 23:34  | 
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                                    ÿ âñå åùå èùó óäàðíèêà. ìîæíî áåç æåëåçà íî î÷åíü òåõíè÷íîãî. æåëàòåëüíî êèáîðã ñ ÷åòûðüìÿ ðóêàìè è êàðäàííûì âàëîì âìåñòî íîã. | |
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                                         Âðåìÿ: 07.01.2007 01:27  | 
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                                    àï è ñïàòü. | |
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                                         Âðåìÿ: 07.01.2007 16:12  | 
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                                    êñòàòè íóæåí âòîðîé ýëåêòðîíùèê | |
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                                         Âðåìÿ: 08.01.2007 00:14  | 
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                                    Rockslide, òû êñòàòè ñàì êàêóþ ìóçûêó ñëóøàåøü? êàêîå íàñòðîåíèå ïðåäïî÷èòàåøü? | |
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                                         Âðåìÿ: 09.01.2007 02:29  | 
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                                    äæàñò äà àï | |
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                                         Âðåìÿ: 09.01.2007 16:12  | 
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êîðî÷å òàã. ÿ èùó áàðàáàíùèêà.ìîæíî áåç æåëåçà íî ñ êàðäàíîì. ãèòàðèñòà, ëþáÿùåãî âñÿêèå ïðèìî÷êè è íåñòàíäàðòíóþ èãðó. åùå îäíîãî ýëåêòðîíùèêà. áàññèñòà.  | 
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                                         Âðåìÿ: 09.01.2007 22:00  | 
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                                    Åñëè íàäî ïîãóäåòü êàêèì-íèòü fresh-pad-îì íà çàäíåì ïëàíå - çîâè )))Áåíçèíêà! | |
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                                         Âðåìÿ: 09.01.2007 23:24  | 
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                                    à êàê ìíå çâàòü? =) | |
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                                         Âðåìÿ: 10.01.2007 02:01  | 
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                                    ÿ íàâåðíî íîâóþ òåìó ñîçäàì..ýòà êàêàÿ òî çàõëàìëåííàÿ óæå. | |
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                                         Âðåìÿ: 11.01.2007 01:29  | 
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à êàê ìíå çâàòü? =) À êòî ó íàñ åùå íà êîðãå ãóäèò âñÿêóþ ñòðàøíóþ âñÿ÷èíó è çíàåò òåáÿ êðîìå ìåíÿ?: )))  | 
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                                         Âðåìÿ: 11.01.2007 01:43  | 
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                                    àààà...êñòàòè ó òÿ ÷òîòî ñ ïî÷òîé...ïèøåò ÷òî íåò òàêîãî àäðåñà =\\ | |
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                                         Âðåìÿ: 11.01.2007 12:50  | 
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                                    ß ïðèéäó ê òåáå íà ÄÐ ñ Ertu, Ïðèãëàøàåøü? | |
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                                         Âðåìÿ: 11.01.2007 13:29  | 
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öèòàòà "Íå õî÷ó åå áîëüøå, íè âèäåòü, íè ñëûøàòü" êîíåö öèòàòû =) 30 ÿíâàðÿ, êëóá ïÿòíèöà, âõîä 100ð, ïðèãëàøàþ, =Ð  | 
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àààà...êñòàòè ó òÿ ÷òîòî ñ ïî÷òîé...ïèøåò ÷òî íåò òàêîãî àäðåñà =\\ ÁÐÐ... À òû -òî íåáîñü äóìàë, ÷òî òåáå ïèøåò ïðåêîðàñíàÿ íåçíàêîìêà.. À âîò è íè ôèãà... ñ ïî÷òîé... strange infatuation... try this... aarone@list.ru  | 
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                                         Âðåìÿ: 15.01.2007 01:45  | 
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Ý-ý-ý-ý-ý !!!! Áëèí !!! Òû ÷òî ìåíÿ ñî ñ÷èòîâ ñïèñàë ÷òîëè !!! ß òóò ïðîáëåìû ðåøàþ ñ ðàáîòîé !!! 15è16 ÿ ðàáîòàþ .äàâàé çâîíè !!! Ñ 23:30äî24:00 ! 17è18 ÿ ñâàáîäåí !!!!!  | 
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saintkron, íó ÿ òóïî ïîòåðÿë òâîé òåëåôîí)))) è ó ìíó ìàíèàêàëüíàÿ ôàçà ïðîøëà..ÿ ùàñ î÷ ïàññèâíî ñîáèðàþ âñåõ... âîò... è âîîáùå ÿ äðóãóþ òåìó ñîçäàë... - http://www.musicforums.ru/piter_poiskmuz/browse_thread.php?bn=mfor_piterpoiskmuz&thread=1168562375&replies=10  | 
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                                         Âðåìÿ: 15.01.2007 02:49  | 
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Î! Ìîè ïîçðàâëåíèÿ íàêîíåö-òî äåëüíîå ïðèîáðåòåíèå. À ÿ ñèíòåçàòîð ìó÷àþ, òåïåðü ñîñåäè æåëàþò ìíå óñïåõîâ è îñîáåííî èíòåðåñóþòñÿ êîãäà ìîé äààë¸êèé òóð ñîñòîèòñÿ  
                                        
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