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Åêàòåðèíáóðã 
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Òåêñòîâèê ïîëó÷èë íîáåëåâêó ïî ëèòåðàòóðå! Ýòî êðóòî! È çàñëóæåííî.  
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– Õîòèòå, ÿ ñêàæó âàì ïðàâäó?
– Ñïàñèáî, ó ìåíÿ ñâîÿ. |
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Îäíà èç ìîèõ ëþáèìûõ ïåñåí. Ïðèêëàäûâàþ ïåðåâîä, õîòÿ îí íå ïîëíîñòüþ ïåðåäàåò âïå÷àòëåíèå. Like a Rolling Stone Once upon a time you dressed so fine You threw the bums a dime in your prime, didn't you People'd call, say, "Beware doll, you're bound to fall" You thought they were all kiddin' you You used to laugh about Everybody that was hangin' out Now you don't talk so loud Now you don't seem so proud About having to be scrounging for your next meal How does it feel How does it feel To be without a home Like a complete unknown Like a rolling stone You've gone to the finest school all right, Miss Lonely But you know you only used to get juiced in it And nobody has ever taught you how to live on the street And now you're gonna have to get used to it You said you'd never compromise With the mystery tramp, but now you realize He's not selling any alibis As you stare into the vacuum of his eyes And say do you want to make a deal You never turned around to see the frowns on the jugglers and the clowns When they all did tricks for you You never understood that it ain't no good You shouldn't let other people get your kicks for you You used to ride on the chrome horse with your diplomat Who carried on his shoulder a Siamese cat Ain't it hard when you discover that He really wasn't where it's at After he took from you everything he could steal Princess on the steeple and all the pretty people They're all drinkin', thinkin' that they got it made Exchanging all precious gifts But you'd better take your diamond ring, you'd better pawn it babe You used to be so amused At Napoleon in rags and the language that he used Go to him now, he calls you, you can't refuse When you got nothing, you got nothing to lose You're invisible now, you got no secrets to conceal Áûòü áðîäÿãîé Êîãäà-òî òû îäåâàëàñü èçûñêàííî, Áðîñàëà ìåëî÷ü áðîäÿãàì ñ âûñîò ñâîèõ, Ëþäè ïåðåøåïòûâàëèñü, ãîâîðÿ "Îñòîðîæíî, êóêîëêà, êîãäà-íèáóäü óïàäåøü" À òû äóìàëà, ÷òî îíè ëèøü øóòÿò, È ñìåÿëàñü íàä òåìè, Êòî îøèâàëñÿ ðÿäîì Ñåé÷àñ òû óæå íå ãîâîðèøü òàê ãðîìêî, Ñåé÷àñ òû óæå íå êàæåøüñÿ òàêîé ãîðäîé, Êîãäà ïîïðîøàéíè÷àåøü çà ïîðöèþ åäû Êàêîâî ýòî? Êàêîâî ýòî? Íå èìåòü êðûøè íàä ãîëîâîé? Áûòü âñåì ÷óæîé, Áûòü áðîäÿãîé Òû õîðîøî ó÷èëàñü â ëó÷øåé øêîëå, ìèññ Îäèíî÷åñòâî, Íî çíàåøü, òàì òû áûëà íåæåíêîé, È íèêòî íå íàó÷èë òåáÿ, êàê æèòü íà óëèöå, À ñåé÷àñ òåáå ïðèäåòñÿ ñâûêíóòüñÿ ñ òàêîé æèçíüþ, Òû ãîâîðèëà, ÷òî íèêîãäà íå îáðàòèøüñÿ ñ ñîâåòîì Ê òàèíñòâåííîìó áðîäÿãå, íî òåïåðü òû îñîçíàåøü, Ó íåãî íåò îïðàâäàíèé, ïðåäëîãîâ, È òû ñìîòðèøü â ïóñòîòó åãî ãëàç, È ñïðàøèâàåøü: "Áóäåøü èìåòü ñî ìíîé äåëî?" Òû íèêîãäà íå îáðàùàëà âíèìàíèÿ íà õìóðûå âçãëÿäû êëîóíîâ è æîíãëåðîâ, Êîãäà òå èñïîëíÿëè ïåðåä òîáîé ñâîè ôîêóñû, Òû íèêîãäà íå ïîíèìàëà, ÷òî â ýòîì íåò ñìûñëà, Òû íå äîëæíà áûëà ïîçâîëÿòü îêðóæàþùèì îòäóâàòüñÿ çà òåáÿ, Òû ðàíüøå ðàçúåçæàëà íà êîíå ñî çíàêîìûì äèïëîìàòîì, Íà ïëå÷å êîòîðîãî ñèäåë ñèàìñêèé êîò, È ðàçâå íå áûëî òÿæåëî, êîãäà îêàçàëîñü, ×òî åãî íåò ðÿäîì, È ÷òî îí ñòàùèë ó òåáÿ âñå, ÷òî ñìîã? Ïðèíöåññà â áàøíå, è âñå ýòè ìèëûå ëþäè Ïüþò, äóìàÿ, ÷òî ñìîãóò âñåãî äîáèòüñÿ, Îáìåíèâàþòñÿ äîðîãèìè ïîäàðêàìè, Íî òåáå ëó÷øå ñíÿòü áðèëëèàíòîâîå êîëüöî è çàëîæèòü åãî, äåòêà, Ðàíüøå òåáÿ âåñåëèë Âèä Íàïîëåîíà â ëîõìîòüÿõ è ñëîâà, êîòîðûå îí ïðîèçíîñèë, Èäè ê íåìó, îí çîâåò òåáÿ, òû íå ìîæåò îòêàçàòüñÿ, Êîãäà ó òåáÿ íè÷åãî íåò - òåáå íå÷åãî òåðÿòü, Òû ñòàëà íåóÿçâèìîé, ó òåáÿ áîëüøå íåò ñåêðåòîâ |
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– Õîòèòå, ÿ ñêàæó âàì ïðàâäó?
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Ëåíèíãðàä àê. ãèò. 
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Íîáåëü ïî ëèòåðàòðå Äèëàíó-ñ (.)çðåíèÿ -"ïðîñâåùåííîãî" àìåðèêàíöà ýòî ñîáûòèå. Ñ (.) çðåíèÿ ðóññêîé ëèòåðàòóðû - ýòî ñìåøíî. Ïðåäñòàâü, ÷òî ýòó ïðåìèþ ïðèñóæäàþò Ðåçíèêó. Íå ñåðüåçíî.. | |
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Îí ñëîâî ïðîâåðèë íà ïðî÷íîñòü è âåñ...(ñ)
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>Ïðåäñòàâü, ÷òî ýòó ïðåìèþ ïðèñóæäàþò Ðåçíèêó. Íå ñåðüåçíî.. Ðåçíèê íå â òåìó. Åñëè óæ èñêàòü àíàëîãè, ìîæíî íàçâàòü Áàøëà÷åâà. |
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– Õîòèòå, ÿ ñêàæó âàì ïðàâäó?
– Ñïàñèáî, ó ìåíÿ ñâîÿ. |
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Åêàòåðèíáóðã
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Åùå îáðàòèòå âíèìàíèå, ó íåãî â êàæäîì êóïëåòå ðèôìóþòñÿ ÷åòûðå ñòðîêè ïîäðÿä. You said you'd never compromise With the mystery tramp, but now you realize He's not selling any alibis As you stare into the vacuum of his eyes |
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– Õîòèòå, ÿ ñêàæó âàì ïðàâäó?
– Ñïàñèáî, ó ìåíÿ ñâîÿ. |
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ñóõóì áàáàëàéêà 
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Íå çíàþ, êàê ýòî çâó÷èò ïî-àíãëèéñêè, íî ñìûñë ïîäñòðî÷íèêà óæàñåí...íå íàø ìåíòàëèòåò ((( | |
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ß ìîãó ïîíÿòü ëþäåé, ñòó÷àùèõ çà ïàéêó èëè ïî ïðèíóæäåíèþ, íî èäåéíûé ñòóêà÷ - ýòî îòäåëüíàÿ ïåñíÿ. (c) ëåíòÿé-ãóðó
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suxum1: ðàçíîå ñìûñëîâîå íàïîëíåíèå. íåëüçÿ ïåðåâîäèòü òåêñòû ïåñåí ñëîâî çà ñëîâîì, äîëæíà ïåðåâîäèòüñÿ ïîýçèÿ. | |
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Óëüòðàëåâûé îðòîäîêñàëüíûé ïðàâîñëàâíûé äîìèíàíòíûé âèêèíã-ïîäêàáëó÷íèê
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ñóõóì áàáàëàéêà
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>suxum1: ðàçíîå ñìûñëîâîå íàïîëíåíèå. íåëüçÿ ïåðåâîäèòü òåêñòû ïåñåí ñëîâî çà ñëîâîì, äîëæíà ïåðåâîäèòüñÿ ïîýçèÿ. ß ãîâîðþ ïðî ïîäñòðî÷íûé ïåðåâîä...ò.å. î ñìûñëå ñàáæà) Ìåðçîñòü êàêàÿ: ìóæèê áóäòî ðàäóåööà, øòî áàáå õðåíîâî ñòàëî Ñòîèò ëè òàêîå â ïîýçèþ íàðÿæàòü? |
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ß ìîãó ïîíÿòü ëþäåé, ñòó÷àùèõ çà ïàéêó èëè ïî ïðèíóæäåíèþ, íî èäåéíûé ñòóêà÷ - ýòî îòäåëüíàÿ ïåñíÿ. (c) ëåíòÿé-ãóðó
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âàëèäàòîð òðåçâîñòè 
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âäàâàòüñÿ â ïîäðîáíîñòè íå õî÷ó, ïðîñòî ïîðàäóþñü 7wing ñïàñèáî çà èíôó |
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âñ¸ ãàâíî áåñïëàòíî
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>Ìåðçîñòü êàêàÿ: ìóæèê áóäòî ðàäóåööà, øòî áàáå õðåíîâî ñòàëî >Ñòîèò ëè òàêîå â ïîýçèþ íàðÿæàòü? ïîïðîáóé ïîñëóøàòü ïåñíþ. âîçìîæíî, ïîìåíÿåøü ìíåíèå. |
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– Õîòèòå, ÿ ñêàæó âàì ïðàâäó?
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âàëèäàòîð òðåçâîñòè
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>ïîïðîáóé ïîñëóøàòü ïåñíþ. âîçìîæíî, ïîìåíÿåøü ìíåíèå. ñîâåðøåííî äàòîå, âóñìåðòü êèò÷åâîå èñïîëíåíèå ïðèìåð òîãî, êàê íà âåëèêîëåïíîé æîïå ìîæíî ñòÿæàòü àïëîóçû 
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âñ¸ ãàâíî áåñïëàòíî
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âàëèäàòîð òðåçâîñòè
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âîò ïî÷åìó åñòü ñìûñë âëîæèòüñÿ âî ÷òî-òî áåñòîëêîâîå è âêóðèòü òðàâû |
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âñ¸ ãàâíî áåñïëàòíî
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#### yeah! ëàéê ý ðîëëèíã, ìàòü åãî, ñòîóí, Äèëàí ñêàòèëñÿ íàêîíåö ñ ãîðû, è íîáåëåâêà æäàëà åãî òåïëåíüêàÿ âíèçó)) åñëè ïðîâîäèòü àíàëîãèè ñ ðèòìàìè ñîâåòñêîé ýñòðàäû, ÿ áû Êîðìèëüöåâà îòêîïàëà è íàãðàäèëà | |
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 êîíöå òîííåëÿ óçðåë ÿ ïîåçä
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âàëèäàòîð òðåçâîñòè
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Li , ÿ òåáÿ ëþáëþ! äàé â ñèñå÷êó ïîöåëóþ! | |
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âñ¸ ãàâíî áåñïëàòíî
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>>Ìåðçîñòü êàêàÿ: ìóæèê áóäòî ðàäóåööà, øòî áàáå õðåíîâî ñòàëî >>Ñòîèò ëè òàêîå â ïîýçèþ íàðÿæàòü? >ïîïðîáóé ïîñëóøàòü ïåñíþ. âîçìîæíî, ïîìåíÿåøü ìíåíèå. ïåñíÿ î òîì, ÷òî íåò ïóòè ìóæñêîãî è æåíñêîãî, áåäíîãî è áîãàòîãî, à åñòü æèçíü, êîòîðàÿ ïðîèñõîäèò, è òå, êòî ïûòàþòñÿ âòèñíóòü å¸ â ðàìêè... êîíå÷íî, èì íå íðàâèòñÿ ñìûñë |
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 êîíöå òîííåëÿ óçðåë ÿ ïîåçä
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>Li , ÿ òåáÿ ëþáëþ! äàé â ñèñå÷êó ïîöåëóþ! ñíà÷àëà íîáåëåâêà 
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 êîíöå òîííåëÿ óçðåë ÿ ïîåçä
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âàëèäàòîð òðåçâîñòè
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>>Li , ÿ òåáÿ ëþáëþ! äàé â ñèñå÷êó ïîöåëóþ! >ñíà÷àëà íîáåëåâêà âèæó ÆÅÍÙÈÍÓ äåíãè èëè ñìåðòü |
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âñ¸ ãàâíî áåñïëàòíî
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Ëåíèíãðàä àê. ãèò.
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Íîáåëåâñêàÿ ïðåìèÿ ïðåâðàòèëàñü â ïðèäàòîê ïóëèöåðîâñêîé, âíóòðèàìåðèêàíñêîé. À åþ íàãðàæäàëè ðàíåå ëèòåðàòîðîâ, êîòîðûå ïåðåâåäåíû íà äåñÿòîê ÿçûêîà ìèðà. Ñïðîñè íå àíãëè÷àåèíà íàçâàíèå òðåõ ïåñåí Äèëàíà. Íå îòâåòèò. Äóìàþ è ñîâðåìåííàÿ àíãëîêåëüòñêàÿ ìîëîäåæ îòâåòèò òîëüêî ñ ïîìîùüþ âèêèïåäè. À âû ïðî ðèôìó. |
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Âîëæñêèé
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Ýêñïåðèìåíò, ÷åññëîâî íå çàãëÿäûâàÿ â âèêè, ïîñåìó ìîãóò áûòü íåòî÷íîñòè â íàçâàíèÿõ: 1. Íó, ïîíÿòíî - Ëàéê à Ðîëèíã Ñòîóí. 2. Ìàéòè Êóèí 3. Íîê òî õýâåí äîð. 4. Ìàäíåñ Ìàðôà. Óôô, ïîëó÷èëîñü. Õîòÿ, åñëè ïî ÷åñòíîêó - ïðåìèÿ Äèëàíó (ãëóáîêî ìíîþ óâàæàåìîãî) ïî ËÈÒÅÐÀÒÓÐÅ, ýòî èç ñåðèè "çà ìèð" Àáàìå. |
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Ëåíèíãðàä àê. ãèò.
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Vizart , Òû èõ çíàåøü áîëüøå ÷åì ÿ. Íî êóëüòîâóþ, íàïå÷àòàííóþ â æóðíàëå ÀÌÅÐÈÊÀ â 1969ã. òû íå íàçâàë. Ýòî Ôîð çå òàéì çå îðå ÷åí÷ èí. 7wing , À íàñ÷åò Áàøëà÷åâà, òàê åãî è ñâîè óæå íå ïîìíÿò À ÿ ïîìíþ. "õîòåë â Àëìà-àòó, ïðèåõàë â Âîðêóòó...." |
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ñóõóì áàáàëàéêà
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>>Ìåðçîñòü êàêàÿ: ìóæèê áóäòî ðàäóåööà, øòî áàáå õðåíîâî ñòàëî >>Ñòîèò ëè òàêîå â ïîýçèþ íàðÿæàòü? >ïîïðîáóé ïîñëóøàòü ïåñíþ. âîçìîæíî, ïîìåíÿåøü ìíåíèå. Íàâåðíîå â ýòîì è çàêëþ÷àåòñÿ ãåíèàëüíîñòü - èç ãîìíà êîíôåòêó ñäåëàòü) >Óôô, ïîëó÷èëîñü. Õîòÿ, åñëè ïî ÷åñòíîêó - ïðåìèÿ Äèëàíó (ãëóáîêî ìíîþ óâàæàåìîãî) ïî ËÈÒÅÐÀÒÓÐÅ, ýòî èç ñåðèè "çà ìèð" Àáàìå. +1 Ñêîêà ðàç óæå (è íà ýòîì ôîðóìå) ãîâîðèëîñü, ÷òî òåêñòîâèê - ëèòåðàòîð â ïîñëåäíþþ î÷åðåäü... ß áû ñêîðåå ÂÑ ëèòåðàòîðîì ïîñ÷èòàë, ÷åì ÁÄ... Õîòÿ ðàä, êîíå÷íî, çà ÁÄ 
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ß ìîãó ïîíÿòü ëþäåé, ñòó÷àùèõ çà ïàéêó èëè ïî ïðèíóæäåíèþ, íî èäåéíûé ñòóêà÷ - ýòî îòäåëüíàÿ ïåñíÿ. (c) ëåíòÿé-ãóðó
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Åêàòåðèíáóðã
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Âîò åùå èçâåñòíàÿ ïåñíÿ. Mr. Tambourine Man Hey! Mr. Tambourine Man, play a song for me, I'm not sleepy and there is no place I'm going to. Hey! Mr. Tambourine Man, play a song for me, In the jingle jangle morning I'll come followin' you. Though I know that evenin's empire has returned into sand, Vanished from my hand, Left me blindly here to stand but still not sleeping. My weariness amazes me, I'm branded on my feet, I have no one to meet And the ancient empty street's too dead for dreaming. Hey! Mr. Tambourine Man, play a song for me, I'm not sleepy and there is no place I'm going to. Hey! Mr. Tambourine Man, play a song for me, In the jingle jangle morning I'll come followin' you. Take me on a trip upon your magic swirlin' ship, My senses have been stripped, my hands can't feel to grip, My toes too numb to step, wait only for my boot heels To be wanderin'. I'm ready to go anywhere, I'm ready for to fade Into my own parade, cast your dancing spell my way, I promise to go under it. Though you might hear laughin', spinnin', swingin' madly across the sun, It's not aimed at anyone, it's just escapin' on the run And but for the sky there are no fences facin'. And if you hear vague traces of skippin' reels of rhyme To your tambourine in time, it's just a ragged clown behind, I wouldn't pay it any mind, it's just a shadow you're Seein' that he's chasing. Then take me disappearin' through the smoke rings of my mind, Down the foggy ruins of time, far past the frozen leaves, The haunted, frightened trees, out to the windy beach, Far from the twisted reach of crazy sorrow. Yes, to dance beneath the diamond sky with one hand waving free, Silhouetted by the sea, circled by the circus sands, With all memory and fate driven deep beneath the waves, Let me forget about today until tomorrow. Ýé, ìèñòåð òàìáóð-ìýí, à ñïîé-êà ÷òî-íèáóäü, Ìíå íå ñïèòñÿ - íå ïîéìó, êóäà èäòè Ýé, ìèñòåð òàìáóð-ìýí, à ñïîé-êà ÷òî-íèáóäü, Ýòèì äðåáåçæàùèì óòðîì ìíå ñ òîáîþ ïî ïóòè. Äà ÿ çíàþ, îò â÷åðàøíèõ çàìêîâ ìíå îñòàëñÿ ëèøü ïåñîê, Ñòåê, êàê ëüäà êóñîê, Òû íå ïàðüñÿ, áðîñü ìåíÿ, ß íå â îòêàçå. Ìîÿ óñòàëîñòü åñò ìåíÿ, íî íîãè âìåðçëè â ãðÿçü È íå îäíó íå âèäíî ìðàçü - Ñðåäè ïóñòûõ ðàçâàëèí óìåðøèõ ôàíòàçèé. Ýé, ìèñòåð òàìáóð-ìýí, à ñïîé-êà ÷òî-íèáóäü, Ìíå íå ñïèòñÿ - íå ïîéìó, êóäà èäòè. Ýé, ìèñòåð òàìáóð-ìýí, à ñïîé-êà ÷òî-íèáóäü, Ýòèì äðåáåçæàùèì óòðîì ìíå ñ òîáîþ ïî ïóòè. Âîçüìè ìåíÿ íà ñâîé ëåòó÷èé ÷óäî-ïàðîâîç  ìîçãó ïÿòüñîò çàíîç, è â ïàëüöàõ ðóê - íåâðîç Êàáëóê ê íîãàì ïðèìåðç. ß òóò ñòîþ, âðàñòàþ â ãðóíò, Êàê òîïèíàìáóð. Ìíå âñå ðàâíî, êóäà èäòè, è ÿ âïîëíå ãîòîâ íàéòè Âíóòðè ñâîåé ãðóäè ñ÷àñòëèâûé ïðîåçäíîé áèëåò  òâîé òåïëûé òàìáóð. Íó, äàé ìíå ðàñòâîðèòü â êîëå÷êàõ äûìà âñå ìîçãè, Ñáåæàòü â òóìàíå îò òîñêè, çàáûòü ïðî ëåä íà ëóæàõ, Ïðî õîëîä, âëåçøèé â äóøó. Òóäà â òóìàí íà êðàé çåìëè ×òîáû äîáðàòüñÿ íå ñìîãëè òîñêà è ãðóñòü. È â ïëÿñ ïîä íåáîì â êðàïèíêó ñ ðàñïàõíóòîé äóøîé, ×òîáû îòìûë ìîðñêîé ïðèáîé, çàïðÿòàâ â ãëóáèíå âîëíû, Âåñü ëåä òîñêè ñ äóøè, âñþ ïàìÿòü, âñå ïëîõèå ñíû. Ïîçâîëü çàáûòü âåñü ýòîò äåíü ïîêà îòòóäà íå âåðíóñü. |
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– Õîòèòå, ÿ ñêàæó âàì ïðàâäó?
– Ñïàñèáî, ó ìåíÿ ñâîÿ. |
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charybdis अ ग ा ध
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ïðèøåë ê âûâîäó, ÷òî ìåíÿ àêòèâíî ðàçäðàæàåò, êîãäà êðèâûå ïîäåëêè ïî ìîòèâàì âûäàþòñÿ çà "ïîýòè÷åñêèé ïåðåâîä" | |
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Çàòêíèñü è ãîðè!
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Åêàòåðèíáóðã
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>ïðèøåë ê âûâîäó, ÷òî ìåíÿ àêòèâíî ðàçäðàæàåò, êîãäà êðèâûå ïîäåëêè ïî ìîòèâàì âûäàþòñÿ çà "ïîýòè÷åñêèé ïåðåâîä" èçâèíè, âûëîæèë ÷òî åñòü â ñåòè. ñàì ïîíèìàåøü, àäåêâàòíî ïåðåâîäèòü òàêîå òâîð÷åñòâî î÷åíü òðóäíî (åñëè âîîáùå âîçìîæíî). |
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– Õîòèòå, ÿ ñêàæó âàì ïðàâäó?
– Ñïàñèáî, ó ìåíÿ ñâîÿ. |
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charybdis अ ग ा ध
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Ñâèíã, ïîýòîìó è íàäî ÿçûêè ó÷èòü. | |
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Çàòêíèñü è ãîðè!
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âàëèäàòîð òðåçâîñòè
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>Ñâèíã, ïîýòîìó è íàäî ÿçûêè ó÷èòü. áåñïîëåçíî â äàííîì ñëó÷àå íàäî áûòü îáðàçîâàííûì è òîíêèì íîñèòåëåì ÿçûêà ïûòàòüñÿ êàê-òî êðèòèêîâàòü ÷óæîé ÿçûê, ïîýçèþ - íåïîìåðíàÿ ãîðäûíÿ î÷åâèäíî ñìåøíàÿ ñî ñòîðîíû |
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âñ¸ ãàâíî áåñïëàòíî
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Åêàòåðèíáóðã
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>êðèâûå ïîäåëêè ïî ìîòèâàì âûäàþòñÿ çà "ïîýòè÷åñêèé ïåðåâîä" Ïðî, åùå èíòåðåñíî òâîå ìíåíèå, êòî èç ðîññèéñêèõ àâòîðîâ ïåñåí ñî÷èíÿë êà÷åñòâåííûå âåùè, à íå ïîäåëêè. |
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– Õîòèòå, ÿ ñêàæó âàì ïðàâäó?
– Ñïàñèáî, ó ìåíÿ ñâîÿ. |
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charybdis अ ग ा ध
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>áåñïîëåçíî â äàííîì ñëó÷àå äîñòàòî÷íî íå áóõàòü òàê ñòðàøíî è òàê ãðîìêî, ÷òî âîñïðèíÿòü íàïèñàííîå óæå íå óäàåòñÿ, çàòî ôðóñòðàöèè çóðàáüåãî òîëêà ðâóòñÿ íàðóæó óæå ñ äâóõ àêêîâ. |
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Çàòêíèñü è ãîðè!
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charybdis अ ग ा ध
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Ñâèíã, "ðîññèéñêèõ" ìíå êàæåòñÿ íåïîíÿòíûì ñóæåíèåì. åñòü ïðèëè÷íîå êîë-âî ðóññêîïèøóùèõ àâòîðîâ, êîòîðûå áûëè àêòèâíû â ñññð. êà÷åñòâî âåùü òîæå òàêàÿ. ÿ ñ÷èòàþ ÷òî Øíóð äåëàåò êà÷åñòâåííûå âåùè â öåëîì, êàê ïðîäóêò, íî ñ ñàìîãî ïðîäóêòà íà ìåíÿ íàïàäàåò áëåâ, åñëè ÿ íå ñèëüíî íîðä. à íå íîðä ÿ íèêàäà.  èç àêòèâíûõ íà òåêóùèé ìîìåíò è íàâñêèäêó - Êàíóííèêîâ, Ïóëàòîâà, Âîéíàðîâñêàÿ, Êàëóãèí, Ãëàäêåâè÷, Ñòåïêèí, Ëûñèêîâ. |
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Çàòêíèñü è ãîðè!
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Ëåíèíãðàä àê. ãèò.
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Òåêñò ïåñíè - ýòî ñîö. ñðåç êîíêðåòíîé ïîïóëÿöèè. À ñëåäîâàòåëüíî ïîäñòðî÷íîìó ïåðåâîäó íå ïîäëåæèò. Äåòàëè áóäóò íåïîíÿòíû. À â íèõ ñàìûé êàéô. Ñëåäîâàòåëüíî ìåæäóíàðîäíàÿ ïðåìèÿ òàêîé ðàáîòå íå ãðîçèò. È ïîòîì ïî÷åìó Äèëàí? Ïîë Ñàéìîí è ìóçûêàëüíåå è íå ìåíåå õàðèçìàòè÷åí ñëîâîì. È ìåæäóíàðîäíî áîëåå ïðèçíàí. Íó íà 5 ëåò ìëàäøå Äèëàíà. ß ïðåäñòàâëÿþ, êàê Ðîçåíáàóìó ïðèñóæäàþò Íîáåëÿ èëè Ìèòÿåâó. À îíè óæå íåáîñü íà ñåáÿ ïðèìåðÿþò. Äà, ÷óäíû äåëà òâîè Ãîñïîäè. |
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Îí ñëîâî ïðîâåðèë íà ïðî÷íîñòü è âåñ...(ñ)
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Ëåíèíãðàä àê. ãèò.
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Èç ðóññêèõ ïîþùèõ òåêñòîâèêîâ íà ìîé âçãëÿä ñàìûé äîñòîéíûé Áóëàò Øàâëîâè÷. Íî åãî ëèò. îáîðîòû ïåðåâîäó íå ïîäëåæàò, ò.ê. òåðÿþò ñâîé íåïîâòîðèìûé âêóñ. |
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Îí ñëîâî ïðîâåðèë íà ïðî÷íîñòü è âåñ...(ñ)
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