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Íàêîíåö òî âñå îñèëèë... Êîììåíòèðîâàòü íå áóäó, èáî íå èìååò ñìûñëà: è òàê óæå âñå ñêàçàëè. Íî âîò ïðîñòî íà âñêèäêó ìíå ñêàæèòå, ñêîëüêî íàì åùå îñòàëîñü? 
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Êèðêà äà ëîïàòà 
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Âû õîòåëè ñêàçàòü íàì? Ïîìîéìó â Ìîñêâó ïîðà 
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Ñàíêò-Ïåòåðáóðã Paiste, Stagg, Tama, Marlboro
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Ìîäåðèðîâàíèå ìîèõ ñîîáùåíèé âåä¸ò ê ïîëîâîìó áåññèëèþ, âåíåðè÷åñêèì çàáîëåâàíèÿì, âåíöó áåçáðà÷èÿ è äèàðåå ©
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âîéíà  ãðóçèíñêîå ïðàâèòåëüñòâî ðàññòðåëÿòü ïîâåñèòü ##### íèêàêèõ ïðèìèíåíèé îðóæ ìàññîâîãî ïîðàæåíèÿ íå áóäåò , ýòî áðåä. ïèíäîñû áîÿòñÿ çà ñâîè çàäíèöû
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à âîîáùå ìíå î÷ ïå÷àëüíî , ëþäè#######. è ñêîðåé áû óæå êîëëàéäåð ïèöäàíóë ÷òîá íå âèäåòü ïîçîðà ëþäñêîé ìîðàëè |
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WASHINGTON - The United States urged Russia on Friday to halt aircraft and missile attacks in Georgia's breakaway region of South Ossetia and withdraw its combat forces from Georgian territory as the situation in the former Soviet state verged on full-scale war. ADVERTISEMENT The White House said President Bush discussed the situation with Russian Prime Minister Vladimir Putin while both leaders were in Beijing for the start of the Olympics. And Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice called the parties involved in hopes of ending the fighting, and made plans to send a U.S. envoy to the region. "The United States calls for an immediate cease-fire to the armed conflict in Georgia's region of South Ossetia," Rice said in a statement. "We call on Russia to cease attacks on Georgia by aircraft and missiles, respect Georgia's territorial integrity and withdraw its ground combat forces from Georgian soil." Rice also said Russia should respect Georgian sovereignty and agree to international mediation to end the crisis that threatens to engulf the volatile region. "We urgently seek Russia's support of these efforts," she said. Rice said she and other senior U.S. officials had been in touch with "the parties" to the conflict but did not identify to whom they had spoken. In Moscow, Russia's foreign ministry said Rice had talked to Russian Foreign Minister Sergei Lavrov. Lavrov told her that Georgia must be persuaded to withdraw its forces from South Ossetia, it said. US-allied Georgia launched a surprise military offensive to retake South Ossetia earlier Friday, reportedly killing hundreds of people and triggering a ferocious counterattack from Russia, which has sent tanks across the border and reportedly bombed Georgian air bases. In Beijing, White House press secretary Dana Perino urged "all parties, Georgians, South Ossetians and Russians, to de-escalate the tension and avoid conflict" and "restart their dialogue." She said Bush was getting regular updates on the situation. A U.S. official in Washington identified the envoy as Deputy Assistant Secretary of State Matthew Bryza, a specialist on the region who will be traveling soon to Tbilisi and elsewhere with European diplomats in a bid to defuse the situation. At the Pentagon, a senior defense official said Friday that Georgian authorities have asked the United States for help getting their troops out of Iraq. Georgia has about 2,000 troops serving with the coalition forces in Iraq, making it the third-largest contributor after the United States and Britain. The official, who spoke on condition of anonymity because the discussions have been private, said no formal decision has been made on whether to support the departure, but said it is likely the U.S. will do so. Also, Adm. Mike Mullen, chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, has spoken to his counterparts in Russia and Georgia, but officials would not provide details of his conversations. The fighting is the worst outbreak of hostilities since the province won de facto independence in a war that ended in 1992. A Russian military officer said 10 Russian peacekeepers were killed and 30 were wounded when their barracks were hit in Georgian shelling. Russia has soldiers in South Ossetia as peacekeeping forces, but Georgia contends they back the separatists. Vasil Sikharulidze, Georgia's ambassador to Washington, said in an interview, "We are asking our friends, and the United States among them, to somehow to try to mediate and try to persuade Russia to stop this military aggression and invasion of Georgia." "What we heard is that the State Department and the entire administration is deeply concerned and that they are heavily engaged with Russia trying to de-escalate the situation," he said. At a luncheon for world leaders in Beijing, Bush talked to Putin about the fighting, a White House spokesman said without giving details. Defense Department officials have had some contact with Georgian authorities, Pentagon spokesman Bryan Whitman said Friday, adding that the U.S. is monitoring the situation closely. Whitman said Georgia has not requested any U.S. assistance, but he would not provide details on discussions. He said he does not believe U.S. military officials have had any contact with the Russians. According to Whitman, the U.S. has about 130 trainers in Georgia, including a few dozen civilians who are working to prepare the Georgian forces for their next deployment to Iraq. He said all of those U.S. trainers have been accounted for, none has been injured, and there are no plans to pull them out of the country. He said the trainers are in the Tbilisi area, but would not say exactly where. Both major U.S. presidential candidates also weighed in. Republican John McCain said Russia should immediately withdraw all forces from sovereign Georgian territory. "What is most critical now is to avoid further confrontation between Russian and Georgian military forces. The consequences for Euro-Atlantic stability and security are grave," he said, calling for the international community "to establish a truly independent and neutral peacekeeping force in South Ossetia." Democrat Barack Obama said Georgia and Russia must show restraint and avoid a full-scale war. "All sides should enter into direct talks on behalf of stability in Georgia," he said in a statement.
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Êîðíè ãðóçèíî-îñåòèíñêîãî êîíôëèêòà Ãàçåòà «Êîììåðñàíòú» ¹ 140(3957) îò 09.08.2008 Òåððèòîðèè, íàñåëåííûå îñåòèíàìè, âîøëè â ñîñòàâ Ðîññèéñêîé èìïåðèè â êîíöå XVIII — íà÷àëå XIX âåêîâ êàê ñàìîñòîÿòåëüíî, òàê è â ñîñòàâå ôåîäàëüíîé Ãðóçèè. Ïîñëå ðåâîëþöèè 1917 ãîäà Ñåâåðíàÿ Îñåòèÿ âîøëà â ñîñòàâ Ãîðñêîé ðåñïóáëèêè, à çàòåì ñòàëà àâòîíîìíîé ðåñïóáëèêîé â ñîñòàâå ÐÑÔÑÐ. Þæíàÿ Îñåòèÿ îêàçàëàñü â ñîñòàâå Ãðóçèè, ãäå â 1922 ãîäó ïîëó÷èëà ñòàòóñ àâòîíîìíîé îáëàñòè. Ïðè ýòîì äî óñòàíîâëåíèÿ â Ãðóçèè ñîâåòñêîé âëàñòè íà îñåòèíñêèõ òåððèòîðèÿõ ïðîèçîøëî íåñêîëüêî íàöèîíàëüíûõ âîññòàíèé. Ñ íà÷àëîì ïåðåñòðîéêè â Ãðóçèè è Þæíîé Îñåòèè àêòèâèçèðîâàëèñü íàöèîíàëüíûå äâèæåíèÿ. 10 íîÿáðÿ 1989 ãîäà Ñîâåò íàðîäíûõ äåïóòàòîâ Þãî-Îñåòèíñêîé àâòîíîìíîé îáëàñòè ïðåîáðàçîâàë ðåãèîí â àâòîíîìíóþ ðåñïóáëèêó â ñîñòàâå Ãðóçèíñêîé ÑÑÐ. Ïðåçèäèóì Âåðõîâíîãî ñîâåòà Ãðóçèè 16 íîÿáðÿ 1989 ãîäà ïðèçíàë ýòî ðåøåíèå íåçàêîííûì è ñîçäàë "êîìèññèþ ïî èçó÷åíèþ âîïðîñîâ, ñâÿçàííûõ ñî ñòàòóñîì Þãî-Îñåòèíñêîé ÀÎ". Îñåòèíû âîñïðèíÿëè ýòî êàê øàã ê ëèêâèäàöèè àâòîíîìèè. 23 íîÿáðÿ 1989 ãîäà ãðóçèíñêèå íàöèîíàëèñòè÷åñêèå äâèæåíèÿ ïîïûòàëèñü ïðîâåñòè ìèòèíã â Öõèíâàëè, èç ðàçíûõ ðàéîíîâ Ãðóçèè ñþäà ïðèáûëè, ïî ðàçíûì äàííûì, äî 60 òûñ. ÷åëîâåê. Êîëîííà áûëà îñòàíîâëåíà ó âúåçäà â ãîðîä è ïîñëå äâóõ ñóòîê ïðîòèâîñòîÿíèÿ, â ðåçóëüòàòå êîòîðîãî áûëè óáèòûå è ðàíåíûå, ïîâåðíóëà îáðàòíî.  ðåãèîíå íà÷àëèñü ñòîëêíîâåíèÿ îñåòèíñêèõ è ãðóçèíñêèõ âîîðóæåííûõ ôîðìèðîâàíèé. 20 ñåíòÿáðÿ 1990 ãîäà Þãî-Îñåòèíñêèé îáëñîâåò ïðîâîçãëàñèë ðåãèîí Þãî-Îñåòèíñêîé Ñîâåòñêîé Äåìîêðàòè÷åñêîé Ðåñïóáëèêîé. 10 äåêàáðÿ 1990 ãîäà ïàðëàìåíò Ãðóçèè ïîñòàíîâèë óïðàçäíèòü Þãî-Îñåòèíñêóþ àâòîíîìíóþ îáëàñòü. Íà ñëåäóþùèé äåíü, ïîñëå ãèáåëè â ìåæýòíè÷åñêîì ñòîëêíîâåíèè íåñêîëüêèõ ÷åëîâåê, Òáèëèñè ââåë íà òåððèòîðèè Öõèíâàëè è Äæàâñêîãî ðàéîíà ÷ðåçâû÷àéíîå ïîëîæåíèå. Ïî ïðèêàçó ïðåäñåäàòåëÿ ïàðëàìåíòà Ãðóçèè Çâèàäà Ãàìñàõóðäèà 6 ÿíâàðÿ 1991 ãîäà â Þæíóþ Îñåòèþ áûëè ïåðåáðîøåíû ãðóçèíñêèå îòðÿäû, áîåâûå äåéñòâèÿ ðåçêî àêòèâèçèðîâàëèñü, íà÷àëàñü áëîêàäà àâòîíîìèè. 19 ÿíâàðÿ 1992 ãîäà â Þæíîé Îñåòèè ñîñòîÿëñÿ ðåôåðåíäóì ïî âîïðîñó "î ãîñóäàðñòâåííîé íåçàâèñèìîñòè è (èëè) âîññîåäèíåíèè ñ Ñåâåðíîé Îñåòèåé", áîëüøèíñòâî ïîääåðæàëî ýòè èäåè. Îäíîâðåìåííî ÷àñòè ðåñïóáëèêàíñêîé ãâàðäèè Ãðóçèè ñ òÿæåëîé òåõíèêîé ïðîäîëæàëè áåçóñïåøíî îñàæäàòü Öõèíâàëè è äðóãèå íàñåëåííûå ïóíêòû. Âñåãî â õîäå áîåâûõ äåéñòâèé áåçâîçâðàòíûå ïîòåðè (óáèòûå è ïðîïàâøèå áåç âåñòè) ñ îñåòèíñêîé ñòîðîíû ñîñòàâèëè 1 òûñ. ÷åëîâåê, ðàíåíî ñâûøå 2,5 òûñ. Ê ñåðåäèíå 1992 ãîäà áîè ñòàëè ñòèõàòü, ÷åìó ñïîñîáñòâîâàëà ïîëèòè÷åñêàÿ íåñòàáèëüíîñòü â ñàìîé Ãðóçèè, ãäå íà÷àëàñü ãðàæäàíñêàÿ âîéíà. Êîíôëèêò áûë îñòàíîâëåí ïîñëå òîãî, êàê 24 èþíÿ 1992 ãîäà ïðåçèäåíò ÐÔ Áîðèñ Åëüöèí è ïðåäñåäàòåëü Ãîññîâåòà Ãðóçèè Ýäóàðä Øåâàðäíàäçå ïîäïèñàëè Äàãîìûññêîå ñîãëàøåíèå î ïðèíöèïàõ óðåãóëèðîâàíèÿ êîíôëèêòà.  ðàìêàõ åãî ðåàëèçàöèè 14 èþëÿ 1992 ãîäà â Þæíîé Îñåòèè áûë ïðåêðàùåí îãîíü è íà÷àëè äåéñòâîâàòü ñîâìåñòíûå ìèðîòâîð÷åñêèå ñèëû â ñîñòàâå ðîññèéñêîãî, ãðóçèíñêîãî è îñåòèíñêîãî áàòàëüîíîâ. Ñ òåõ ïîð Þæíàÿ Îñåòèÿ áûëà ôàêòè÷åñêè íåçàâèñèìûì ãîñóäàðñòâåííûì îáðàçîâàíèåì — ñî ñâîåé êîíñòèòóöèåé (ïðèíÿòà 2 íîÿáðÿ 1993 ãîäà) è ãîññèìâîëèêîé (ôëàãîì, ãåðáîì, ãèìíîì). Ãðóçèíñêèå âëàñòè ïðîäîëæàëè ðàññìàòðèâàòü åå êàê àäìèíèñòðàòèâíóþ åäèíèöó Öõèíâàëüñêèé ðåãèîí, íî àêòèâíûõ øàãîâ ïî óñòàíîâëåíèþ êîíòðîëÿ íàä íèì íå ïðåäïðèíèìàëè. Ñèòóàöèÿ íà÷àëà îáîñòðÿòüñÿ â íà÷àëå 2004 ãîäà, ïîñëå ïðèõîäà ê âëàñòè â Ãðóçèè Ìèõàèëà Ñààêàøâèëè, âçÿâøåãî êóðñ íà âîññòàíîâëåíèå òåððèòîðèàëüíîé öåëîñòíîñòè ñòðàíû. 31 ìàÿ 2004 ãîäà â çîíó êîíôëèêòà ïåðåáðîøåíû ÷àñòè âíóòðåííèõ âîéñê Ãðóçèè, ñ ýòîãî ìîìåíòà â ðåãèîíå ðåãóëÿðíî ïðîèñõîäèëè îáñòðåëû íàñåëåííûõ ïóíêòîâ, ïåðåñòðåëêè è ëîêàëüíûå ñòîëêíîâåíèÿ. Îäíîâðåìåííî íà÷àëàñü äèïëîìàòè÷åñêàÿ âîéíà ìåæäó Ãðóçèåé è Ðîññèåé: Òáèëèñè îáâèíèë Ìîñêâó â ïîääåðæêå "ñåïàðàòèñòñêîãî" ðåæèìà è íà÷àë òðåáîâàòü âûâîäà èç Þæíîé Îñåòèè ðîññèéñêèõ ìèðîòâîðöåâ. Äî êîíöà àâãóñòà ãðóçèíñêèå ñèëû áåçóñïåøíî ïûòàëèñü âçÿòü ñòðàòåãè÷åñêèå âûñîòû ó Öõèíâàëè, íî, ïîòåðÿâ îêîëî 20 ÷åëîâåê, áûëè âûâåäåíû èç çîíû êîíôëèêòà. 26 ÿíâàðÿ 2005 ãîäà íà çàñåäàíèè ÏÀÑÅ â Ñòðàñáóðãå Ìèõàèë Ñààêàøâèëè îáíàðîäîâàë ìèðíûå èíèöèàòèâû â îòíîøåíèè Þæíîé Îñåòèè, ïðåäëîæèâ ðåãèîíó ñòàòóñ øèðîêîé àâòîíîìèè. Ïðåçèäåíò íåïðèçíàííîé ðåñïóáëèêè Ýäóàðä Êîêîéòû ïëàí Òáèëèñè îòâåðã. Íîâûé âèòîê ïðîòèâîñòîÿíèÿ íà÷àëñÿ 1 ôåâðàëÿ 2006 ãîäà, ïîñëå òîãî êàê â îêðåñòíîñòÿõ ãðóçèíñêîãî ñåëà Òêâèàâè "Óðàë" ðîññèéñêèõ ìèðîòâîðöåâ ñòîëêíóëñÿ ñ ÷àñòíûìè "Æèãóëÿìè". Íà ìåñòî áûë ïåðåáðîøåí ãðóçèíñêèé ñïåöíàç, ìèðîòâîðöû ïîäòÿíóëè ñâîþ áðîíåòåõíèêó, ïî òðåâîãå áûëè ïîäíÿòû ÷àñòè àðìèè Þæíîé Îñåòèè. Ñèòóàöèÿ ðàçðåøèëàñü ïîñëå ëè÷íîãî âìåøàòåëüñòâà êîìàíäóþùåãî ìèðîòâîðöàìè Ìàðàòà Êóëàõìåòîâà. 15 ôåâðàëÿ 2006 ãîäà ïàðëàìåíò Ãðóçèè ïðèíÿë ïîñòàíîâëåíèå, ïðåäóñìàòðèâàþùåå ïðåêðàùåíèå ìèðîòâîð÷åñêîé îïåðàöèè.  äàëüíåéøåì â Òáèëèñè ïðèíèìàëè åùå íåñêîëüêî äîêóìåíòîâ î ëèøåíèè ðîññèéñêèõ âîåííûõ ñòàòóñà ìèðîòâîðöåâ. 12 íîÿáðÿ 2006 ãîäà íà êîíòðîëèðóåìîé Ýäóàðäîì Êîêîéòû òåððèòîðèè ïðîøåë ðåôåðåíäóì î íåçàâèñèìîñòè è ïðåçèäåíòñêèå âûáîðû. Îäíîâðåìåííî â çîíå êîíòðîëÿ Ãðóçèè ïðîøëè àëüòåðíàòèâíûå âûáîðû, íà êîòîðûõ ïîáåäèë áûâøèé ïðåìüåð íåïðèçíàííîé ðåñïóáëèêè Äìèòðèé Ñàíàêîåâ.  ìàå 2007 ãîäà ãîñïîäèí Ñàíàêîåâ óêàçîì Ìèõàèëà Ñààêàøâèëè íàçíà÷åí ãëàâîé àäìèíèñòðàöèè Öõèíâàëüñêîãî ðåãèîíà. Íîâîå îáîñòðåíèå ïðèøëîñü íà âåñíó 2008 ãîäà: ìèðîòâîðöû ñîîáùàëè î íåñêîëüêèõ äåñÿòêàõ ñëó÷àåâ íàðóøåíèÿ Ãðóçèåé ñîãëàøåíèé î ïðåêðàùåíèè îãíÿ. 3 èþëÿ áûë ïîäîðâàí è îáñòðåëÿí àâòîìîáèëü Äìèòðèÿ Ñàíàêîåâà. 4 èþëÿ Öõèíâàëè è ðÿä äðóãèõ íàñåëåííûõ ïóíêòîâ îáñòðåëÿíû ñ ãðóçèíñêèõ ïîçèöèé. 7 èþëÿ â ñåëå Îêîíà ñîòðóäíèêàìè ïðàâîîõðàíèòåëüíûõ îðãàíîâ Þæíîé Îñåòèè çàäåðæàíû ÷åòâåðî ãðóçèíñêèõ âîåííûõ. Ìèõàèë Ñààêàøâèëè îáúÿâèë î ïîäãîòîâêå îïåðàöèè ïî èõ ñèëîâîìó îñâîáîæäåíèþ, îäíàêî 8 èþëÿ îíè áûëè îòïóùåíû |
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"Èíûõ âàðèàíòîâ ñåïàðàòèñòû íàì íå îñòàâèëè" // Ïðåìüåð Ãðóçèè îáúÿñíèë "Ú", ïî÷åìó â Þæíîé Îñåòèè íà÷àëàñü âîéíà Ãàçåòà «Êîììåðñàíòú» ¹ 140(3957) îò 09.08.2008 Ïðåìüåð-ìèíèñòð Ãðóçèè ËÀÄÎ ÃÓÐÃÅÍÈÄÇÅ ðàññêàçàë êîððåñïîíäåíòó "Ú" ÂËÀÄÈÌÈÐÓ Ú-ÑÎËÎÂÜÅÂÓ, ïî÷åìó áûëî ïðèíÿòî ðåøåíèå î íà÷àëå øòóðìà Öõèíâàëè è íà ÷üþ ïîìîùü ðàññ÷èòûâàåò Ãðóçèÿ â íà÷àâøåéñÿ âîéíå. — Åùå çà íåñêîëüêî ÷àñîâ äî øòóðìà Öõèíâàëè Ãðóçèÿ ãîâîðèëà î ìèðå, çàÿâëÿëà, ÷òî íå áóäåò ïðåäïðèíèìàòü íèêàêèõ äåéñòâèé... — Ïîäîæäèòå, Ãðóçèÿ ïðîäîëæàåò ãîâîðèòü î ìèðå. È âñåãäà áóäåò ãîâîðèòü î ìèðå. Âû â êóðñå, ÷òî ïðåçèäåíò îáúÿâèë îá îäíîñòîðîííåì ïðåêðàùåíèè îãíÿ. Íî ïîñëå íàñòóïëåíèÿ òåìíîòû îñåòèíñêèå ñåïàðàòèñòû íà÷àëè àòàêîâàòü è áîìáèòü íåñêîëüêî ãðóçèíñêèõ äåðåâåíü. Ïðè÷åì áîìáèòü è àòàêîâàòü òàê, ÷òî ãðàæäàíñêîå íàñåëåíèå ýòèõ äåðåâåíü ïðÿìî ïîïàäàëî ïîä îáñòðåëû, òî åñòü ïðÿìîé íàâîäêîé. Áûë àòàêîâàí ïîñò ìèðîòâîðöåâ. È òîãäà æå, åùå äî ïîëóíî÷è â ÷åòâåðã, áûëà çàôèêñèðîâàíà ïåðâàÿ êîëîííà — îêîëî 100 ìàøèí ñ òåõíèêîé, âîîðóæåíèåì è ñ áîåâîé ñèëîé, òàê íàçûâàåìûìè äîáðîâîëüöàìè. — Îòêóäà îíè ïðèøëè? — Ñî ñòîðîíû Ðîññèè ÷åðåç Ðîêñêèé òîííåëü, â÷åðà âå÷åðîì çàøëè íà òåððèòîðèþ Ãðóçèè — ðåãèîí Þæíàÿ Îñåòèÿ. È âîò íà ýòîì ôîíå áîìáåæåê íåñêîëüêèõ ãðóçèíñêèõ ñåë, àòàêè íà íàø ìèðîòâîð÷åñêèé ïîñò è âõîæäåíèÿ êîëîííû, ê ñîæàëåíèþ, ãðóçèíñêàÿ ñòîðîíà óæå áûëà âûíóæäåíà îòêàçàòüñÿ îò åþ æå â îäíîñòîðîííåì ïîðÿäêå äåêëàðèðîâàííîãî âîçäåðæàíèÿ îò îãíÿ. Ïîòîìó ÷òî èíûõ âàðèàíòîâ ñåïàðàòèñòû íàì óæå íå îñòàâèëè. — Íî, êîãäà ïðåçèäåíò Ñààêàøâèëè çàÿâëÿë îá îäíîñòîðîííåì ïðåêðàùåíèè îãíÿ, ðàçâå íå îæèäàëîñü, ÷òî, äîïóñòèì, îñåòèíñêàÿ ñòîðîíà ïðîäîëæèò îáñòðåë? Îíà âåäü íà ñåáÿ íèêàêèõ îáÿçàòåëüñòâ íå áðàëà. — Îñåòèíñêàÿ ñòîðîíà îáÿçàòåëüñòâ íà ñåáÿ, ê ãëóáîêîìó ñîæàëåíèþ, íå âçÿëà. Íî ÿ äóìàþ, åñòü áîëüøàÿ ðàçíèöà ìåæäó îòñóòñòâèåì îáÿçàòåëüñòâ è òàêèìè ïðîâîêàöèîííûìè äåéñòâèÿìè, êàê ìàññèðîâàííûé ïðÿìîé îáñòðåë ãðóçèíñêèõ ñåë, â ïåðâóþ î÷åðåäü ñ àêöåíòîì íà ìèðíîå íàñåëåíèå. Âû íå âèäèòå ðàçíèöû ìåæäó äâóìÿ âåùàìè? Îäíî äåëî —áðàòü èëè íå áðàòü âîåííûì îáÿçàòåëüñòâà, äðóãîå äåëî — ïåðåõîäèòü â àòàêó íà ìèðíîå íàñåëåíèå. ß íå ìîãó ïîíÿòü, ïî÷åìó èì ïðèñïè÷èëî âñå ýòî çàâàðèâàòü â ÷åòâåðã ïîçäíèì âå÷åðîì, ïðè÷åì íà ôîíå òàêîãî âîò ñòîéêîãî âîçäåðæàíèÿ îò âåäåíèÿ îãíÿ ãðóçèíñêîé ñòîðîíîé. —  çàÿâëåíèÿõ ðîññèéñêèõ ïîëèòèêîâ áûëà âûñêàçàíà èäåÿ, ÷òî ãðóçèíñêàÿ îïåðàöèÿ áûëà õîðîøî ñïëàíèðîâàíà. Ñíà÷àëà òàì çàíèìàëè ñòðàòåãè÷åñêóþ âûñîòó Ñàðàáóê, ïîòîì óñûïèëè áäèòåëüíîñòü çàÿâëåíèåì î ïðåêðàùåíèè îãíÿ. — À òî, ÷òî â îòâåò íà îäíîñòîðîííåå ïðåêðàùåíèå îãíÿ ìû âäðóã ïîëó÷èëè øêâàëüíûé îãîíü ïî íàøèì ñåëàì, ýòî ìû òîæå ñïëàíèðîâàëè? È àòàêó íà ìèðîòâîð÷åñêèé ïîñò, è âõîæäåíèå êîëîííû ñ òåõíèêîé ñî ñòîðîíû ÐÔ? Èíòåðåñíî ïîëó÷àåòñÿ. — Ïðåæäå ÷åì íà÷àòü îïåðàöèþ, âû êàê-òî èçâåùàëè îá ýòîì ìåæäóíàðîäíîå ñîîáùåñòâî èëè ýòî âñå âîçíèêëî ñïîíòàííî? — Êîãäà ïðåçèäåíò ïðèíÿë ðåøåíèå, îí ñäåëàë íåñêîëüêî çâîíêîâ. Áîëåå òîãî, âîåííîå ðóêîâîäñòâî íà ìåñòå èçâåñòèëî ðîññèéñêèõ ìèðîòâîðöåâ î òîì, ÷òî ìû âûíóæäåíû ïðåäïðèíÿòü òàêèå äåéñòâèÿ. Îíè áûëè èçâåùåíû îá ýòîì çàðàíåå, äî òîãî êàê ãðóçèíñêàÿ ñòîðîíà îòêðûëà îãîíü. — Ñåãîäíÿ öåëûé ðÿä åâðîïåéñêèõ ñòðóêòóð è ÷èíîâíèêîâ, ãîñäåï ÑØÀ, Ñîâåò Åâðîïû, ÍÀÒÎ ïðèçâàëè ñòîðîíû, â òîì ÷èñëå è ãðóçèíñêóþ, ïðåêðàòèòü îãîíü... — Ìû ñ ýòèì ñîâåðøåííî ñîãëàñíû. Áîëåå òîãî, ïîëòîðà ÷àñà íàçàä (â ïÿòíèöó â 15.00.— "Ú") ìû â îäíîñòîðîííåì ïîðÿäêå ïðåêðàòèëè îãîíü, ñîçäàëè ãóìàíèòàðíûé êîðèäîð. ×òî ìû ïîëó÷èëè â îòâåò? Çà âðåìÿ ýòîãî îäíîñòîðîííåãî ïðåêðàùåíèÿ îãíÿ áîëüøàÿ êîëîííà ðîññèéñêîé áðîíåòåõíèêè, òî åñòü 150 åäèíèö òàíêîâ è ÁÒÐ, ÷åðåç Ðîêñêèé òîííåëü âîøëà íà òåððèòîðèþ Þæíîé Îñåòèè. Ýòî íèêàêèå íå ìèðîòâîð÷åñêèå âîéñêà, ÿ ïîä÷åðêíó, íå äîáðîâîëüöû, íå êàçàêè ñ øàøêàìè,— ýòî ðîññèéñêèå âîîðóæåííûå ñèëû. Åñòü òàêæå äàííûå î òîì, ÷òî îíè âñòóïèëè â áîåâûå äåéñòâèÿ, â òîì ÷èñëå â Öõèíâàëè. Êðîìå ýòîãî, åñòü ïîäòâåðæäåííûå äàííûå î ïðèìåíåíèè âîåííî-âîçäóøíûõ ñèë ÐÔ äëÿ áîìáåæêè ïîçèöèé ãðóçèíñêèõ âîîðóæåííûõ ñèë. Ðîññèéñêèå øòóðìîâèêè áûëè çàôèêñèðîâàíû íàä Ãîðè. Ýòî áûëî åùå óòðîì. Ýòî óæå íèêàê íå òåððèòîðèÿ þæíîîñåòèíñêîãî ðåãèîíà, ýòî òåððèòîðèÿ îñòàëüíîé ÷àñòè Ãðóçèè. Ñîâñåì íåäàâíî ïîñòóïèëè ñîâåðøåííî äîñòîâåðíûå ñâåäåíèÿ î òîì, ÷òî òàêæå ðîññèéñêèé øòóðìîâèê áîìáèë àâèàáàçó â Âàçèàíè. Ýòî â 15 ìèíóòàõ åçäû îò Òáèëèñè, ýòî àâèàáàçà åùå ñîâåòñêèõ âðåìåí. — Ðàçáîìáèë? — Ó ìåíÿ åñòü äàííûå î äâóõ ñíàðÿäàõ — îäèí íà òåððèòîðèè ÷àñòè è îäèí íà ïîñàäî÷íîé ïîëîñå. Çà ÷àñ äî ýòîãî ÿ ñàì áûë â Âàçèàíè, ïîòîìó ÷òî òàì ñåé÷àñ îäèí èç ñáîðíûõ ïóíêòîâ íàøèõ ðåçåðâèñòîâ. Âû â êóðñå, ÷òî â 11 ÷àñîâ ïðåçèäåíò îáúÿâèë ìîáèëèçàöèþ ðåçåðâà, è âîò â Âàçèàíè î÷åíü ìíîãî ëþäåé ñ òåõ ñàìûõ ïîð, ñ ñàìîãî óòðà. Ýòî ïðåêðàñíî âñåì èçâåñòíî, â òîì ÷èñëå è ðîññèéñêîé ñòîðîíå. — Çà÷åì íóæíî áûëî îáúÿâëÿòü ýòó ìîáèëèçàöèþ? Ýòî ïîäãîòîâêà ê âîéíå ñ Ðîññèåé? — Ìû íå òîëüêî íå ãîòîâèìñÿ ê âîéíå, à ìû ïðîäîëæàåì ïðèçûâàòü þæíîîñåòèíñêèõ ñåïàðàòèñòîâ îïîìíèòüñÿ, ñëîæèòü îðóæèå è íà÷àòü ñ íàìè ðàçãîâàðèâàòü. Òàê ÷òî ìû âîåâàòü íè ñ êåì íå õîòèì. Íî ìû ïðîñòî âûíóæäåíû îòâå÷àòü íà îòêðûòóþ àãðåññèþ. Ïðè÷åì ýòî ìîáèëèçàöèÿ ðåçåðâà, ó íàñ íåò òàêîãî ïîíÿòèÿ, êàê îáùàÿ ìîáèëèçàöèÿ. Åñòü õîðîøî ïîäãîòîâëåííûé ðåçåðâ, êîòîðûé åæåãîäíî ïðîõîäèò ó÷åíèÿ. — È ÷òî æå, âû ðàññ÷èòûâàåòå ñïðàâèòüñÿ ñî âñåì ýòèì ñîáñòâåííûìè ñèëàìè èëè êàê-òî ïðèçûâàåòå íà ïîìîùü ìåæäóíàðîäíîå ñîîáùåñòâî, îáðàòèëèñü óæå ê êîìó-òî êîíêðåòíî? — Áåçóñëîâíî, è ïðåçèäåíò, è äðóãèå ëþäè â ðóêîâîäñòâå ðàçãîâàðèâàþò ñ êîëëåãàìè, ïàðòíåðàìè âî ìíîãèõ ñòðàíàõ. Ýòî äëèòñÿ óæå âåñü äåíü. — Âû ïîëó÷èëè êàêèå-òî çàâåðåíèÿ â îêàçàíèè ïîìîùè? — Íó, ñàìîå ãëàâíîå, ÷òîáû ñòîðîíû íà÷àëè ðàçãîâàðèâàòü è ïðåêðàòèëè âîåííûå äåéñòâèÿ. Íî â ïåðâóþ î÷åðåäü íà äàííîì ýòàïå ýòî êàñàåòñÿ ïðåêðàùåíèÿ ÿâíîé ïðÿìîé ðîññèéñêîé âîåííîé èíòåðâåíöèè. — Âàì êòî-òî óæå ïîîáåùàë ïðîòèâîñòîÿòü ýòîé èíòåðâåíöèè? — Îñíîâíûå èãðîêè íà ìåæäóíàðîäíîé àðåíå ïûòàþòñÿ ãîâîðèòü è ñ Ìîñêâîé, è äðóã ñ äðóãîì, è ñ íàìè, êîíå÷íî. — Ñîåäèíåííûå Øòàòû â èõ ÷èñëå, ÿ òàê ïîíèìàþ? — Äà, êîíå÷íî. —  Ðîññèè óæå ñåé÷àñ íà óðîâíå ñïèêåðîâ ïàëàò ïàðëàìåíòà âûñêàçûâàþòñÿ èäåè î òîì, ÷òîáû íå ïðîñòî ïðèçíàòü Þæíóþ Îñåòèþ, à âîîáùå âêëþ÷èòü åå â ñîñòàâ ÐÔ. Åñëè Ðîññèÿ ïîéäåò íà ýòè øàãè, ÷òî ìîæåò ïðîòèâîïîñòàâèòü Ãðóçèÿ? — Äàâàéòå ïîêà áóäåì êîììåíòèðîâàòü òî, ÷òî ïðîèñõîäèò. È òî, ÷òî íå ïðîèñõîäèò, êñòàòè. Íå ïðîèñõîäèò, ê ñîæàëåíèþ, ïðåêðàùåíèå îãíÿ þæíîîñåòèíñêèìè ñåïàðàòèñòàìè, ïðîèñõîäèò ïðÿìàÿ àãðåññèÿ Ðîññèéñêîé Ôåäåðàöèè íà òåððèòîðèè ñóâåðåííîãî ãîñóäàðñòâà, ââîä òÿæåëîé òåõíèêè, áîìáåæêè. Äàâàéòå ïîêà îãðàíè÷èâàòüñÿ âîò ýòèì. |
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Òåìà: Re: Íà÷àëàñü âîéíà.
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"Ýòî áûëà çàðàíåå ñïëàíèðîâàííàÿ àêöèÿ" // Ïðåäñòàâèòåëü Þæíîé Îñåòèè ðàññêàçàë "Ú", çà÷åì Ãðóçèè íóæíà âîéíà Ãàçåòà «Êîììåðñàíòú» ¹ 140(3957) îò 09.08.2008 ÂÀËÅÐÈÉ ÊÀÁÎËÎÂ, ãëàâà îñåòèíñêîé îáùèíû â Ðîññèè, îôèöèàëüíî ïðåäñòàâëÿþùèé èíòåðåñû êàê Öõèíâàëè, òàê è Âëàäèêàâêàçà â Ìîñêâå, ðàññêàçàë êîððåñïîíäåíòó "Ú" ÎËÜÃÅ Ú-ÀËËÅÍÎÂÎÉ, êàê â äâóõ ðåñïóáëèêàõ âîñïðèíÿëè äåéñòâèÿ ãðóçèíñêèõ âëàñòåé â Þæíîé Îñåòèè. — Âû äåðæèòå ñâÿçü ñ ðóêîâîäñòâîì Þæíîé Îñåòèè. ×òî âñå-òàêè ñòàëî ïðè÷èíîé øòóðìà? — Ïðè÷èíîé ñòàëî âåðîëîìñòâî Ñààêàøâèëè. Îí îáúÿâèë ïåðåìèðèå, ÷òîáû îòâåñòè ïîäîçðåíèÿ è óñïîêîèòü ëþäåé, à ñàì ïîøåë íà ïîäëîñòü è óäàðèë ïî Þæíîé Îñåòèè èç âñåõ âèäîâ îðóæèÿ. Ñîáñòâåííî, âñå ýòî ìû óæå ïðîõîäèëè.  Þæíîé Îñåòèè äàâíî ïîíÿëè, ÷òî åñëè íàøè ñîñåäè ãîâîðÿò íàì î ìèðå, òî íàäî ãîòîâèòüñÿ ê âîéíå. — Íî ãðóçèíñêàÿ ñòîðîíà óòâåðæäàåò, ÷òî ïîñëå îáúÿâëåíèÿ ïåðåìèðèÿ îñåòèíû íå ïðåêðàòèëè ñòðåëüáó è ÷òî ýòî ñòàëî ïðè÷èíîé øòóðìà. — À ÷òî åùå ìîæåò ãîâîðèòü ãðóçèíñêàÿ ñòîðîíà? ×òî îíè ïîøëè íà òàêóþ ïîäëîñòü? Îíè ãîâîðÿò, ÷òî ïîøëè íà øòóðì, ÷òîáû çàùèòèòü ñâîèõ ãðàæäàí. Íî â ðåçóëüòàòå óáèòû òûñÿ÷è. Êàêèå öåëè ìîãóò ýòî îïðàâäàòü? Òàê ÷òî äåëî íå â çàùèòå ãðàæäàí. Ýòî áûëà çàðàíåå ñïëàíèðîâàííàÿ àêöèÿ — îíà ãîòîâèëàñü íå îäèí äåíü.  ïîñëåäíèå äíè ó ãðàíèöû Þæíîé Îñåòèè ñêîïèëîñü ìíîãî âîåííîé òåõíèêè, òóäà ïîäòÿãèâàëèñü âîéñêà, à ïîä Ãîðè ïðîâîäèëèñü âîåííûå ó÷åíèÿ, è Ýäóàðä Êîêîéòû îá ýòîì ìíîãî ðàç ãîâîðèë, òîëüêî äîëæíîãî âíèìàíèÿ ýòîìó íå óäåëÿëîñü. È âîò ðåçóëüòàò — ãîðîä ðàçáèëè àðòèëëåðèéñêèìè óäàðàìè, Öõèíâàëè ëåæèò â ðóèíàõ. — Âû ðàçãîâàðèâàëè âî âðåìÿ áîåâûõ äåéñòâèé ñ Êîêîéòû? Îí çíàë, ÷òî ðîññèéñêèå âîéñêà âîéäóò â Öõèíâàëè â ïÿòíèöó? È êàêîé âîîáùå ó íåãî áûë ïëàí? — Ïðåçèäåíò íè ñ êåì ñåé÷àñ íå ðàçãîâàðèâàåò. Îí îäåò â êàìóôëÿæ, îí âîþåò, ó íåãî íåò âðåìåíè íà ðàçãîâîðû. Íàñêîëüêî ÿ çíàþ, âëàñòè Þæíîé Îñåòèè íàìåðåíû çàùèùàòü ðåñïóáëèêó — ýòî è åñòü èõ ïëàí. À ðîññèéñêèå âîéñêà ïðèøëè òóäà, ÷òîáû çàùèòèòü ñâîèõ ãðàæäàí, êîòîðûå óæå 20 ëåò æèâóò â âîåííî-ïîëåâûõ óñëîâèÿõ. — Âñå ãîâîðÿò î òûñÿ÷àõ ïîãèáøèõ â Öõèíâàëè, íî õîòÿ áû ïðèáëèçèòåëüíîé öèôðû íèêòî íå íàçûâàåò. — Öèôðû áóäóò, âèäèìî, òîëüêî â ñóááîòó. Ëþäè ïî÷òè ñóòêè ïðîñèäåëè â ïîäâàëàõ, îíè òîëüêî íà÷èíàþò èç íèõ âûõîäèòü. Íà÷èíàþò óçíàâàòü, êòî æèâ, à êòî ïîãèá. Äëÿ îñåòèí òî, ÷òî ñëó÷èëàñü, ýòî ñòðàøíàÿ òðàãåäèÿ.  Þæíîé è Ñåâåðíîé Îñåòèè âñå äðóã äðóãà çíàþò. Ýòî òðàãåäèÿ íà äåñÿòèëåòèÿ. Ïîñëå òîãî ÷òî ñëó÷èëîñü, âðÿä ëè ìîæíî áóäåò ãîâîðèòü î êàêèõ-òî ïåðåãîâîðàõ. Ãðóçèíñêèå âëàñòè ñàìè ïîñòàâèëè íà íèõ êðåñò www.kommersant.ru www.yahoo.com ïåöäåö íàõ ñààêàøâèëè ####### ðåäêèé êàíåøíî æàëêî ëþäåé , áðàòüÿ âîþþò :?: |
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Òåìà: Re: Íà÷àëàñü âîéíà.
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>òåáå ïîìî÷ü ïåðåâåñòè ýòî? ïåðåâåäè äëÿ ëþäåé , ÿ àíãë è òàê çíàþ äîñòàòî÷íî ÷òîá ãàçåòû ÷èòàòü |
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Òåìà: Re: Íà÷àëàñü âîéíà.
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ñàìîå ãëàâíîå ó íàñ åñòü ÑÑ-18 "ñàòàíà" è ýòî#### àðãóìåíò |
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Òåìà: Re: Íà÷àëàñü âîéíà.
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Åêàòåðèíáóðã
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 äðåâíîñòè íà âðåìÿ îëèìïèàä ïðåêðàùàëèñü âîéíû.  íàñòîÿùåì âî âðåìÿ îëèìïèàä âîéíû, îêàçûâàåòñÿ, òîëüêî íà÷èíàþòñÿ. Íà÷àëàñü âîéíà, â êîòîðîé íåò ïðàâûõ, íî âèíîâàòû â êîòîðîé ñëèøêîì ìíîãèå. È â ïåðâóþ î÷åðåäü ïîëèòèêè. Ïîëèòèêè îäíî èç ñàìûõ ïîäëûõ ÷åëîâå÷åñêèõ ïëåìåí. Ïîòîìó ÷òî íå îíè áóäóò ïîãèáàòü íà ýòîé âîéíå, íå èõ êðîâü òàì ïðîëüåòñÿ. Èì ëåãêî ãîâîðèòü è îòäàâàòü ïðèêàçû. Ñààêàøâèëè – õàì è äóðàê. Îí ïîõîæ íà ìåëêîãî äâîðîâîãî õóëèãàíà, êîòîðûé íàäååòñÿ íà ïîêðîâèòåëüñòâî õóëèãàíà áîëüøîãî. Îí äóìàåò, ÷òî ðàç çà íèì Àìåðèêà, òî ìîæíî è ïîñòðåëÿòü. Þãîîñåòèíñêèå ñåïàðàòèñòû òàêèå æå õóëèãàíû, ïîòîìó ÷òî òîæå íàäåÿëèñü ïðèêðûòüñÿ õóëèãàíîì áîëüøèì. Îíè âåðèëè, ÷òî ðàç çà íèìè Ìîñêâà, òî ñ íèìè íè÷åãî íå ñëó÷èòñÿ. Íî ãëàâíûå âèíîâíèêè – ýòî êàê ðàç òå ñàìûå áîëüøèå õóëèãàíû. Êîòîðûå â Êðåìëå è â Áåëîì Äîìå. Îíè ñòî ðàç ìîãëè âñå ýòî ïðåäîòâðàòèòü, ñòî ðàç îáî âñåì äîãîâîðèòüñÿ. Íî ó íèõ æå àìáèöèè, ó íèõ ñîïåðíè÷åñòâî. Ðîññèÿ è Àìåðèêà ñåé÷àñ íà ñàìîì äåëå âîþþò ìåæäó ñîáîé. Òîëüêî äåëàþò ýòî çà ñ÷åò ãðóçèí è îñåòèí. Íî åñòü ðàçíèöà. Àìåðèêà äàëåêî. Åé âñå ðàâíî, ãäå äåìîíñòðèðîâàòü ñâîþ ìîùü – â Àôãàíèñòàíå, â Èðàêå, â Èðàíå èëè íà Êàâêàçå. À äëÿ íàñ ýòî âñå ðÿäîì. Ðîññèè ïðèäåòñÿ íå òîëüêî âèðòóàëüíî âîåâàòü ñ Ñîåäèíåííûìè Øòàòàìè, íî è ðåàëüíî âîåâàòü ñ Ãðóçèåé. Ñ íàðîäîì, êîòîðûé ìû âñåãäà ëþáèëè, êîòîðûé áûë íàì êàê áðàò, ñ êîòîðûì ìû æèëè ïîä îäíîé êðûøåé äîëãèå ãîäû. Íî âûáîðà òåïåðü íå îñòàëîñü. Êîãäà ïîëèòèêè ïðèäóìàëè õèòðóþ, êàê èì êàçàëîñü, êîìáèíàöèþ ñ ïîâñåìåñòíîé âûäà÷åé ðîññèéñêèõ ïàñïîðòîâ þãîîñåòèíàì, îíè íå äóìàëè, ÷òî ïîäñòàâëÿþò òåõ ïîä ñìåðòåëüíûé óäàð. Êîãäà ïîñûëàëè òóäà ðîññèéñêèõ ìèðîòâîðöåâ, îíè íå äóìàëè, ÷òî òîæå ïîñûëàþò èõ íà ñìåðòü. À òåïåðü èõ, êîíå÷íî, óæå íåëüçÿ áðîñàòü. Ýòî íàøè ãðàæäàíå è èõ íàäî çàùèùàòü. Âîéíà ýêñòðåìàëüíî, ìãíîâåííî âûÿâëÿåò âñå íåäîñòàòêè ìàêñèìàëüíî âûïóêëî. Âîéíà â Îñåòèè íåìåäëåííî ïîêàçàëà âñþ èäèîòè÷íîñòü íàøåãî ãîñóäàðñòâåííîãî óïðàâëåíèÿ. Êòî ãëàâíûé? Ïóòèí? Ìåäâåäåâ? Êòî êîìàíäóåò àðìèåé? ×üè ïðèêàçû âûïîëíÿòü? Îäèí â Ïåêèíå, äðóãîé â îòïóñêå. Ñêîëüêî âðåìåíè áûëî ïîòåðÿíî, ïîêà îíè îòìàë÷èâàëèñü. Ïîëäíÿ íå ìîãëè äàæå ñîáðàòü Ñîâáåç. Åñëè ýòî âîéíà, òî òàê íå âîþþò. Óæ åñëè ïðîãðåìåëè âûñòðåëû, òî íàäî äåéñòâîâàòü áûñòðî, ðåøèòåëüíî è æåñòêî. Ýòî íå çíà÷èò ñáðîñèòü íà Òáèëèñè àòîìíóþ áîìáó. Íî ýòî çíà÷èò, ÷òî ó âàñ äîëæåí áûòü ïëàí. À ïëàíà íà ñëó÷àé íàçðåâàâøåé äàâíî âîéíû íè ó ïîëèòèêîâ, íè ó âîåííûõ íå îêàçàëîñü. Åñëè íåò ïëàíà, íàñòóïàåò õàîñ. Àíòîí Îðåõ |
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Òåìà: Re: Íà÷àëàñü âîéíà.
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î. Íîâîñòè íà ìóçèêôîðóìñ.ðó | |
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Òåìà: Re: Íà÷àëàñü âîéíà.
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>î. Íîâîñòè íà ìóçèêôîðóìñ.ðó Ìîæåò, åùå ñîçäàòü ðàçäåë "Äåôåêàöíåìñÿ?", â êîòîðîì áóäåì îáñóæäàòü ïîëèòèêó? |
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Òåìà: Re: Íà÷àëàñü âîéíà.
Âðåìÿ: 09.08.2008 13:26 |
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SPb programmin’, effectin’, beatmakin’, brainf#ckin’ 
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DEM0©RA†, åùå ðàç íà÷íåøü õàìèòü - çàãðåìèøü â áàí. | |
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We're leaving Babylon, we're going to our Father's land.
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Òåìà: Re: Íà÷àëàñü âîéíà.
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> DEM0©RA†, åùå ðàç íà÷íåøü õàìèòü - çàãðåìèøü â áàí. îê,ïðîñòî ÿ ýìîöèîíàëüíûé î÷åíü è íå òåðïëþ âçðîñëûõ "óìíèêîâ" |
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Òåìà: Re: Íà÷àëàñü âîéíà.
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Ìàéàìè Ñàí-Ôðàíöèñêî 
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Êîìàíäîâàòü ïàðàäîì áóäó ÿ!
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Òåìà: Re: Íà÷àëàñü âîéíà.
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×îòà ÿ çàïóòàëñî íàõðåí, à ÷òî ñåíÿ òàì ïðîèñõîäèò? | |
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Òåìà: Re: Íà÷àëàñü âîéíà.
Âðåìÿ: 09.08.2008 14:56 |
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Ìîñêâà Îäíàêî, ãèòàðû. 
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Dark Karlsson, íó, íàøè òèïà ñïåöíàç òóäà îòïðàâèëè, äëÿ "ïðîâåäåíèÿ îïåðàöèè ïî ïðèíóæäåíèþ ê ìèðó"(ñ).
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artists@futuremusicprod.com - A&R, âàøè çàïèñè îáÿçàòåëüíî ïðîñëóøàþò.
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Òåìà: Re: Íà÷àëàñü âîéíà.
Âðåìÿ: 09.08.2008 14:57 |
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ãðóçèíû îäíîâðåìåííî ñòðîÿò èç ñåáÿ ïîòåïðïåâøèõ( ìîë íàøè âîåííûå áàçû áîìáÿò è òä)è òðåáóþò ìèðà è ïîääåðæêè îò ñøà è ââîäÿò âîåííîå ïîëîæåíèå ÷òî ëîãè÷åñêè ïðîòèâîðå÷èò õîòåíèþ ìèðà . íàøè ðóññêèå çàíÿëè öõèíâàëè è ìîáèëèçóþò òóäà âîéñêà |
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Òåìà: Re: Íà÷àëàñü âîéíà.
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Saint-Petersburg Make it Funky!
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Âîò ýòî, êñòàòè, î÷åíü ââåðíî: Õâàòèò ëè íà ýòîò ðàç óìà íåìåäëåííî ïîñëàòü â Öõèíâàëè 500 òåëåæóðíàëèñòîâ? Íó, ÷òîáû øêâàë ðåïîðòàæåé î ãåíîöèäå, êîòîðûé ó÷èíèëè ÷óäåñíûå ãðóçèíû - ñ ïîêàçîì ðàñòåðçàííûõ òðóïîâ, ðàçðóøåííûõ äîìîâ, ïîòðÿñ¸ííûõ ãðàæäàí. Ñïåðâà òî÷íàÿ è ìíîãîãðàííàÿ ôèêñàöèÿ òîãî, ÷òî àãðåññèþ íà÷àëà Ãðóçèÿ, ÷òî ýòî ãðóçèíñêèå âîéñêà ïîäâåðãëè àðòèëëåðèéñêîìó îáñòðåëó æèëûå êâàðòàëû ìèðíîãî ãîðîäà, à ïîòîì íàïàëè è óñòðîèëè ýòíè÷åñêèé ãåíîöèä. Ïîêàçàòü ðàçíåñ¸ííûå àðòèëëåðèåé êàçàðìû ìèðîòâîðöåâ - ãîâîðÿò, óáèëè 15 ÷åëîâåê íàøèõ. Ïîêàçàòü âçîðâàííûå áîëüíèöû. Êàæäûé òðóï - çàôèêñèðîâàòü äîêóìåíòàëüíî, íà ôîòî, âèäåî, è ïî êàæäîìó - ìàòåðèàëüíûå ïðåòåíçèè ê Ãðóçèè. Íàöèîíàëüíûé òðàóð ïî íàøèì ïîãèáøèì ñîãðàæäàíàì. Íó à äàëåå ïîêàç ãîðÿùèõ ãðóçèíñêèõ òàíêîâ, ïîêàç ïëåííûõ ãðóçèíîâ, ðàññêàçûâàþùèõ î òîì, ÷òî èõ çàñòàâèëè íàïàñòü íà Þæíóþ Îñåòèþ, çàñòàâèëè âåñòè îãîíü ïî æèëûì êâàðòàëàì - ñ èìåíàìè êîìàíäèðîâ, íîìåðàìè ÷àñòåé, ðàñïîðÿæåíèÿìè ñòåðåòü ãîðîä ñ ëèöà çåìëè è ïð. Äàííûå ðàäèîïåðåõâàòà ñ ïåðåâîäîì - êòî êàêèå êîìàíäû îòäàâàë, ÷òî ãîâîðèëè â îòâåò. Ïîñëå ýòîãî îïðîñ ãðóçèíñêîé äèàñïîðû â Ðîññèè - ÷òî âû äóìàåòå ïî ïîâîäó íàïàäåíèÿ Ãðóçèè íà Þæíóþ Îñåòèþ, ÷òî âû äóìàåòå ïî ïîâîäó ýòíè÷åñêîãî ãåíîöèäà, êîòîðûé óñòðîèë Ñààêàøâèëè - ñ òðàíñëÿöèåé ïî ÎÐÒ. Ñïåðâà ïî ÒÂ, à ïîòîì â èíòåðíåò - ñ ïåðåâîäîì íà àíãëèéñêèé è ñ êîììåíòàðèÿìè. Åñëè íè÷åãî ýòîãî íå áóäåò - îïÿòü âñ¸ áóäåò ïðîñðàíî. Óæå ñåãîäíÿ Ñààêàøâèëè, îòðàáàòûâàÿ áàáëî Ãîñäåïà, áóäåò ðàññêàçûâàòü, ÷òî ýòî íà íåãî íàïàëè. Íûíåøíþþ âîéíó ìîæíî âûèãðàòü òîëüêî â òåëåâèçîðå, à íå íà òàíêàõ. oper.ru |
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I know it's only Rock'n'Roll, but I like it!
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15 ðóññêèõ ïàðíåé îòäàëè äîëã ðîäèíå? | |
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Saint-Petersburg Make it Funky!
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Äóìàåòñÿ, ÷òî ïîãîèáëî áîëüøå. | |
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I know it's only Rock'n'Roll, but I like it!
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ÑØÀ íå ñìîãóò îêàçàòü çíà÷èòåëüíîé ïîìîùè Ãðóçèè â âîåííîì êîíôëèêòå â Þæíîé Îñåòèè. Îá ýòîì ãîâîðèòñÿ â çàÿâëåíèè àìåðèêàíñêîé îðãàíèçàöèè Ñòðàòôîð, êîòîðàÿ ñïåöèàëèçèðóåòñÿ íà ðàçâåäèíôîðìàöèè è êîòîðóþ â ÑØÀ íàçûâàþò «òåíåâîå ÖÐÓ». «Ó þãîîñåòèíñêèõ ñèë íåò øàíñîâ ïðîòèâ Ãðóçèè áåç ïîìîùè Ðîññèè, ó Ãðóçèè íåò øàíñîâ ïðîòèâ ðîññèéñêèõ ñèë áåç ïîìîùè ÑØÀ. À ïîñêîëüêó àðìèÿ ÑØÀ çàíÿòà â Àôãàíèñòàíå è Èðàêå, çíà÷èòåëüíîé ïîìîùè ñî ñòîðîíû ÑØÀ íå áóäåò», — ïðèâîäèò òåêñò çàÿâëåíèÿ ÐÈÀ Íîâîñòè. Êàê èçâåñòíî, ãðóçèíñêèå âîéñêà ðàçâÿçàëè íà òåððèòîðèè Þæíîé Îñåòèè âîéíó. Íî÷üþ âîéñêà âîøëè íà òåððèòîðèþ íåïðèçíàííîé ðåñïóáëèêè è îáñòðåëÿëè ñòîëèöó Öõèíâàëè. Çíà÷èòåëüíàÿ ÷àñòü ãîðîäà ðàçðóøåíà. Âëàñòè Þæíîé Îñåòèè ñîîáùàþò î òûñÿ÷àõ ïîãèáøèõ. Äåñÿòü ðîññèéñêèõ ìèðîòâîðöåâ ïîãèáëè, 30 ðàíåíû. Ðîññèéñêèì âîéñêàì óäàëîñü ïîäàâèòü ãðóçèíñêèå îãíåâûå òî÷êè.
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òåïåðü ó íàñ 2 âûáîðà èëè ñâåðãíóòü ñààêàøâèëè , òàê êàê çà íàìè ñèëîâîå ïðåèìóùåñòâî , èëè ðàçðåøèòü êîíôëèêò ìèðíûì äîãîâîðîì è âîññòàíîâèòü ïðåæíþþ ñèòóàöèþ |
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>Ïîñëå ýòîãî îïðîñ ãðóçèíñêîé äèàñïîðû â Ðîññèè Ãðóçèíñêóþ äèàñïîðó - â áîëüøèíñòâå ñâîåì âîðîâ âñåõ ìàñòåé, íàðêîäèëåðîâ, ñîäåðæàòåëåé ïðèòîíîâ íàäî áû â 24 ÷àñà õîðîøèì ïèíêîì ïîä òîëñòóþ, íàæðàòóþ çàäíèöó ãíàòü äîìîé!!! Ïóñòü âîþþò! Íàõðåíà íàì ïÿòàÿ êîëîííà â òûëó? |
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Saint-Petersburg Make it Funky!
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Ïèçäåö, ïàðíè, ïîõîæå âîéíóøêà ðàçãîðàåòñÿ... |
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I know it's only Rock'n'Roll, but I like it!
http://www.jablog.ru/ |
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òà êàêàÿ íàêóé âîéíà ÷èñëåííîñòü òîëüêî îäíîé 58 àðìèè áîëüøå â 4 ðàçà (òåõíèêè) è ïî ÷èñë ñîñòàâà â 2 áîëüøå âñåé àðìèè ãðóçèè |
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È ÷åãî? Øàïêàìè çàêèäàåì? òàêòèê, ïëÿ. |
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I know it's only Rock'n'Roll, but I like it!
http://www.jablog.ru/ |
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Çàáîâíî ãðóçèíû ïî íàì ãðàäîì ñòðåëÿþò,áûâàþò æå êàçóñû... | |
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>È ÷åãî? Øàïêàìè çàêèäàåì? >òàêòèê, ïëÿ. ýòî ê ÷åìó ? òå ÿñíî ñêàçàííî ÷òî ó íàñ âîåííî ïðåâàñõîäñòâî äåëàé âûâîäû ó 58 àðìèè 600 òàíêîâ ó ãðóçèè 200 ? ÷å òå íå ïîíÿòíî |
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Øòàòû îñóæäàþò äåéñòâèÿ Ðîññèè â Þæíîé Îñåòèè... | |
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>Øòàòû îñóæäàþò äåéñòâèÿ Ðîññèè â Þæíîé Îñåòèè... Íå ìîæåò áûòü!
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Left-Band, àãà. Òàêàÿ íåîæèäàííîñòü. | |
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ñîçâåçäèå Âóàéåðöû ñåâåðíîãî ïîëóøàðèÿ öûöêè 
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Âû òàêèå ñìåøùíûå... åñòåñòâåííî,îñóæäàåò, ýòî æå øòàòû ðàçâåðíóëè ýòó âîéíó. Òåïåðü êàê Ðîññèÿ íå ïîñòóïèò,÷òàòû áóäóò îñóæäàòü. Ìíå êàæåòñÿ, ïîðà óæå ##### íà øòàòû. Îíè ïðîâîöèðóþò íàñ íàâîéíó ÷åðåç ÷óæèå ðóêè, êàê áóäòî ýòî íå îíè, õîòÿ îíè ïðåêðàñíî ïîíèìàþò, ÷òî âñåì ÿñíî, ÷òî ýòî îíè, îíè äàæå íå ñêðûâàþòñÿ. À ìû ìîë÷èì ïåðåä íèìè â òðÿïî÷êó, êàê áû èçáåæàòü êîíôëèêòà. Âîò íà### åãî ïûòàòüñÿ èçáåæàòü, åñëè ëþäè ñàìè íàðûâàþòñÿ? Íàäî äàòü ïî øàïêå, ÷òîáû ïîäóìàëîñü èì íåìíîãî... |
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Ïåäîðàñîâ áîÿòüñÿ - â Ìàðèèíêó íå õîäèòü!(ñ)Íèêêè Áëîíä
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> Âû òàêèå ñìåøùíûå... äà ìû êëîóíû âàùå. Íèêòî ïî øàïêàì øòàòàì äàâàòü ñåé÷àñ íå áóäåò... Êàê ÿ ïîíèìàþ, âãðóçèþ âîéñêà íå ïîéäóò... òàê è îñòàíóòñÿ â Îñåòèè ñíàðÿäû îò ãðóçèí ëîâèòü...
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>Âû òàêèå ñìåøùíûå... åñòåñòâåííî,îñóæäàåò, ýòî æå øòàòû ðàçâåðíóëè ýòó âîéíó. Òåïåðü êàê Ðîññèÿ íå ïîñòóïèò,÷òàòû áóäóò îñóæäàòü. > >Ìíå êàæåòñÿ, ïîðà óæå ##### íà øòàòû. Îíè ïðîâîöèðóþò íàñ íàâîéíó ÷åðåç ÷óæèå ðóêè, êàê áóäòî ýòî íå îíè, õîòÿ îíè ïðåêðàñíî ïîíèìàþò, ÷òî âñåì ÿñíî, ÷òî ýòî îíè, îíè äàæå íå ñêðûâàþòñÿ. À ìû ìîë÷èì ïåðåä íèìè â òðÿïî÷êó, êàê áû èçáåæàòü êîíôëèêòà. Âîò íà### åãî ïûòàòüñÿ èçáåæàòü, åñëè ëþäè ñàìè íàðûâàþòñÿ? Íàäî äàòü ïî øàïêå, ÷òîáû ïîäóìàëîñü èì íåìíîãî... ïðèêîë â ÷òî âîéíà ñ ÿäåðíîé äåðæàâîé ñøà òîæå íå íóæíà |
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>16:35 Áàãàïø: Àáõàçèÿ íà÷àëà âîîðóæåííóþ îïåðàöèþ ïðîòèâ Ãðóçèè â âåðõíåé ÷àñòè Êîäîðñêîãî óùåëüÿ Óõ éîïò... Ýòî îíè çðÿ, åñëè ðåàëüíî òóäà ïîëåçëè... =/ |
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>Íàäî äàòü ïî øàïêå, ÷òîáû ïîäóìàëîñü èì íåìíîãî... ÷åì?
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