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Òóò ÷òî-òî ÷àñòî âñïîìèíàþò ïðî ÷àñòîòíîå óïðàâëåíèå. Øóðìóðç ñïåöèàëèçèðóåòñÿ â ýòîé îáîëñòè? Åñëè ÷òî, ìíå ýòà òåìà òîæå èíòåðåñíà, ãîòîâ îáñóäèòü.  (Íå ìîãó ñêàçàòü, ÷òî ñïåöèàëèñò,íî ïî ðàáîòå ñòàëêèâàþñü.) |
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– Õîòèòå, ÿ ñêàæó âàì ïðàâäó?
– Ñïàñèáî, ó ìåíÿ ñâîÿ. |
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÷òî çà ÷àñòîòíîå óïðàâëåíèå? | |
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Côte d’Ivoire Jazz My Dick
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àöêåé cöóêoíàõ, ýòî ñïîñîá ðåãóëèðîâàíèÿ ñêîðîñòè âðàùåíèÿ àñèíõðîííîãî äâèãàòåëÿ ïóòåì èçìåíåíèÿ ÷àñòîòû ïîäâîäèìîãî íàïðÿæåíèÿ. | |
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Òåìà: Re: ×àñòîòíîå óïðàâëåíèå ÀÄ
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Òåìà: Re: ×àñòîòíîå óïðàâëåíèå ÀÄ
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Fender Telecaster Ñàíêò-Ïåòåðáóðã
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Êàê âû ñìîòðèòå íà âîïðîñ âûáîðà âîëüòîäîáàâêè? | |
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Òåìà: Re: ×àñòîòíîå óïðàâëåíèå ÀÄ
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Stop, ýòî ÷àñòíîóçêîå ïðèëîæåíèå ÍÄ. Ìóðç, òû â îäíîì èç òîïîâ ëÿïíóë Çàìêíóòàÿ ñèñòåìà óéäåò â àâòîêîëåáàíèÿ èëè çàòóõíåò. Òàê ÷òî âûõîäè, áèööî áóäåì!
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Çàòêíèñü è ãîðè!
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Òåìà: Re: ×àñòîòíîå óïðàâëåíèå ÀÄ
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Fender Telecaster Ñàíêò-Ïåòåðáóðã
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ïðîõîæèé, òû ìåíÿ ïåðå÷èòûâàåøü? ×èòàé, ó÷èñü âåñòè äèàëîã, à íå ëèõî ä¸ðãàòü ôðàçû èç êîíòåêñòà. | |
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Òåìà: Re: ×àñòîòíîå óïðàâëåíèå ÀÄ
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Äæåê,, òû íå óìíè÷àé, òû ïàëüöåì ïîêàæè | |
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ïîöåëîâàë ëàðèñó â ìàðèíó â ñóááîòó
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Òåìà: Re: ×àñòîòíîå óïðàâëåíèå ÀÄ
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charybdis अ ग ा ध
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Ìóðç, ìíå ñêó÷íà, è ê òîìó æå, òîãäà òû íà ìîé âûïàä íå îòðåàãèðîâàë. Òåì áîëåå, ÷òî ëÿï òâîé ê êîíòåêñòó íå ïðèâÿçàí. | |
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Çàòêíèñü è ãîðè!
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Òåìà: Re: ×àñòîòíîå óïðàâëåíèå ÀÄ
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Áóäåò ñðà÷ - òåìó çàêðîþ. | |
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 ìèðå è òàê ìíîãî ëèøíåãî. Äîáàâëÿòü ñìÿòåíèå ê ñìÿòåíèþ? Íå òîò ñëó÷àé. (ñ) Ô. Ôåëëèíè
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Òåìà: Re: ×àñòîòíîå óïðàâëåíèå ÀÄ
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> ×àñòîòíîå óïðàâëåíèå ÀÄ ×àñòîòíîå óïðàâëåíèå Ðîññèåé èç-çà Ëà-Ìàíøà?  Ñ öåëüþ ïðåâðàòèòü åå â ÀÄ!Øóðìóðç, âíåñè óæå ðàçúÿñíåíèÿ. Âèäèøü, ÿ ÷åñòíî ïðèçíàþ ñâîþ íåêîìïåòåíòíîñòü... 
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Òåìà: Re: ×àñòîòíîå óïðàâëåíèå ÀÄ
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>Êàê âû ñìîòðèòå íà âîïðîñ âûáîðà âîëüòîäîáàâêè? Ýòî ïðî çàêîí U/f=const ? Ìåíÿ áîëüøå èíòåðåñóåò âîïðîñ ÷àñòîòíîãî ðåãóëèðîâàíèÿ ñèíõðîííûõ äâèãàòåëåé.  îñîáåííîñòè, ïî êàêîìó çàêîíó íóæíî ðåãóëèðîâàòü âîçáóæäåíèå. >Çàìêíóòàÿ ñèñòåìà óéäåò â àâòîêîëåáàíèÿ èëè çàòóõíåò Ñèñòåìà äîäíà áûòü óñòîé÷èâîé. Åñëè æå îíà íàñòðîåíà íåïðàâèëüíî, äåéñòâèòåëüíî ìîæåò óéòè â àâòîêîëåáàíèÿ (ñàì ìíîãî ðàç âèäåë). |
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– Õîòèòå, ÿ ñêàæó âàì ïðàâäó?
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Òåìà: Re: ×àñòîòíîå óïðàâëåíèå ÀÄ
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íå íàïîìèíàéòå ìíå î òîì, ÷òî ÿ íå ïîìíþ òî, ÷òî ïîìíèë, íî çàáûë | |
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>Ìåíÿ áîëüøå èíòåðåñóåò âîïðîñ ÷àñòîòíîãî ðåãóëèðîâàíèÿ ñèíõðîííûõ äâèãàòåëåé.  îñîáåííîñòè, ïî êàêîìó çàêîíó íóæíî ðåãóëèðîâàòü âîçáóæäåíèå. PID 
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Òåìà: Re: ×àñòîòíîå óïðàâëåíèå ÀÄ
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Ìû îáñóæäàëè êîíêðåòíóþ ñèñòåìó, ïðèìåíèòåëüíî ê íåé ÿ è âûñêàçàëñÿ, ôðàçà èìåííî ÷òî âûòÿíóòà èç êîíòåêñòà. | |
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Òåìà: Re: ×àñòîòíîå óïðàâëåíèå ÀÄ
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Ñèñòåìà íå äîëæíà áûòü óñòîé÷èâîé. Ñèñòåìà íå ìîæåò "çàòóõíóòü". Çàòóõàþò êîëåáàíèÿ â ñèñòåìå.  çàìêíóòîé íåëèíåéíîé äèññèïàòèâíîé ñèñòåìå àâòîêîëåáàíèÿ íåâîçìîæíû, èáî íåîáõîäèì âíåøíèé èñòî÷íèê ýíåðãèè. È, êñòàòè ñêàçàòü, àâòîêîëåáàíèÿ - âïîëíå ñåáå óñòîé÷èâûé ðåæèì. | |
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Çàòêíèñü è ãîðè!
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Òåìà: Re: ×àñòîòíîå óïðàâëåíèå ÀÄ
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Íåäîòûìêà ìû íå îáñóæäàëè òåîðèþ óïðàâëåíèÿ, ìû ãîâîðèëè î ÖÅÐÊÂÈ! Âîëüíîå îáðàùåíèå ñ òåðìèíàìè èìååò îñíîâàíèå èìåííî â ýòîì. Õî÷åøü ïîäêàïûâàòüñÿ ê êàæäîìó ñëîâó è äàëåå, ïîæàëóéñòà, íî áåç ìåíÿ. |
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Òåìà: Re: ×àñòîòíîå óïðàâëåíèå ÀÄ
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charybdis अ ग ा ध
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Ìóðç, ýòî íå àáñòðàêòíîå âîëüíîå îáðàùåíèå ñ òåðìèíàìè, à âïîëíå êîíêðåòíàÿ êàøà â òâîåé âïîëíå êîíêðåòíîé ãîëîâå. ß ïîìíþ, ÷òî ðàçãîâîð øåë î öåðêâè. Ïðàâèëà àðèôìåòèêè ó òåáÿ òîæå èçìåíÿþòñÿ â çàâèñèìîñòè îò ñèòóàöèè?
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Çàòêíèñü è ãîðè!
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Òåìà: Re: ×àñòîòíîå óïðàâëåíèå ÀÄ
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Fender Telecaster Ñàíêò-Ïåòåðáóðã
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ïðîõîæèé, òå äåëàòü íå÷åãî? | |
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Òåìà: Re: ×àñòîòíîå óïðàâëåíèå ÀÄ
Âðåìÿ: 26.09.2007 14:00 |
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Åêàòåðèíáóðã
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>Ñèñòåìà íå äîëæíà áûòü óñòîé÷èâîé. Ñèñòåìà íå ìîæåò "çàòóõíóòü". Çàòóõàþò êîëåáàíèÿ â ñèñòåìå.  çàìêíóòîé íåëèíåéíîé äèññèïàòèâíîé ñèñòåìå àâòîêîëåáàíèÿ íåâîçìîæíû, èáî íåîáõîäèì âíåøíèé èñòî÷íèê ýíåðãèè. È, êñòàòè ñêàçàòü, àâòîêîëåáàíèÿ - âïîëíå ñåáå óñòîé÷èâûé ðåæèì. "Óñòîé÷èâîñòü ñèñòåìû - ñâîéñòâî ñèñòåìû âîçâðàùàòüñÿ ê èñõîäíîìó ñîñòîÿíèþ ïîñëå ïðåêðàùåíèÿ âîçäåéñòâèÿ, êîòîðîå âûâåëî åå èç ýòîãî ñîñòîÿíèÿ." http://slovari.yandex.ru/dict/gl_social/article/14013/1401_3540.htm?text=%D1%83%D1%81%D1%82%D0%BE%D0%B9%D1%87%D0%B8%D0%B2%D0%BE%D1%81%D1%82%D1%8C%20%D1%81%D0%B8%D1%81%D1%82%D0%B5%D0%BC Íàïðèìåð: íàïðÿæåíèå â ðîçåòêå 220 Âîëüò. Òû âêëþ÷àåøü ñòèðàëüíóþ ìàøèíó, à íàïðÿæåíèå âñå ðàâíî 220 âîëüò. Ñèñòåìà óñòîé÷èâà. Äðóãîé âàðèàíò: "âïîëíå ñåáå óñòîé÷èâûé ðåæèì" - àâòîêîëåáàíèÿ íàïðÿæåíèÿ îò 140 äî 300 Â. Íðàâèòñÿ? Åùå ïðèìåð: ïîëèòè÷åñêàÿ ñèñòåìà Ñîâåòñêîãî Ñîþçà, êîòîðàÿ íåêîòîðûì òàê íðàâèòñÿ. Îíà íå âûäåðæàëà âîçìóùåíèé â êîíöå 80-õ ãîäîâ è ðóõíóëà... |
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– Õîòèòå, ÿ ñêàæó âàì ïðàâäó?
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Òåìà: Re: ×àñòîòíîå óïðàâëåíèå ÀÄ
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7wing, õîðîøèé âîïðîñ, ÷òî òàêîå óñòîé÷èâîñòü. Êàæåòñÿ Ëÿïóíîâ ÷òî-òî íà ýòó òåìó ãëàãîëèë. Õîòÿ... öàðñêèé ìàòåìàòèê, íàâåðíîå äåðüìî è âûðîæäåíåö, òî ëè äåëî ñîâåòñêèå.. | |
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Òåìà: Re: ×àñòîòíîå óïðàâëåíèå ÀÄ
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>òî ëè äåëî ñîâåòñêèå Óñòîé÷èâîñòü, îíà è â Àôðèêå óñòîé÷èâîñòü. |
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– Õîòèòå, ÿ ñêàæó âàì ïðàâäó?
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Òåìà: Re: ×àñòîòíîå óïðàâëåíèå ÀÄ
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Óçîñòüþ ñïåöèàëèçàöèè íå òî, ÷òî ïîïàõèâàåò - âîíÿåò! Íî, åñëè âñïîìíèëè Ëÿïóíîâà - åùå íå âñå ïîòåðÿíî. Òîëüêî íå ñëåäóåò çàáûâàòü, ÷òî, êàê íàóêà, ÍÄ ñôîðìèðîâàëàñü çíà÷èòåëüíî ïîçæå.
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Çàòêíèñü è ãîðè!
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ïðîõîæèé, ýòî ñ ÷åãî òû ñäåëàë òàêèå âûâîäû? | |
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Òåìà: Re: ×àñòîòíîå óïðàâëåíèå ÀÄ
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äàâàéòå ëó÷øå ïåðïåòóóì ìîáèëå îáñóäèì...? 
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Òåìà: Re: ×àñòîòíîå óïðàâëåíèå ÀÄ
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>"Óñòîé÷èâîñòü ñèñòåìû - ñâîéñòâî ñèñòåìû âîçâðàùàòüñÿ ê èñõîäíîìó ñîñòîÿíèþ ïîñëå ïðåêðàùåíèÿ âîçäåéñòâèÿ, êîòîðîå âûâåëî åå èç ýòîãî ñîñòîÿíèÿ." >http://slovari.yandex.ru/dict/gl_social/article/14013/1401_3540.htm?text=%D1%83%D1%81%D1%82%D0%BE%D0%B9%D1%87%D0%B8%D0%B2%D0%BE%D1%81%D1%82%D1%8C%20%D1%81%D0%B8%D1%81%D1%82%D0%B5%D0%BC >Íàïðèìåð: íàïðÿæåíèå â ðîçåòêå 220 Âîëüò. Òû âêëþ÷àåøü ñòèðàëüíóþ ìàøèíó, à íàïðÿæåíèå âñå ðàâíî 220 âîëüò. Ñèñòåìà óñòîé÷èâà. >Äðóãîé âàðèàíò: "âïîëíå ñåáå óñòîé÷èâûé ðåæèì" - àâòîêîëåáàíèÿ íàïðÿæåíèÿ îò 140 äî 300 Â. Íðàâèòñÿ? >Åùå ïðèìåð: ïîëèòè÷åñêàÿ ñèñòåìà Ñîâåòñêîãî Ñîþçà, êîòîðàÿ íåêîòîðûì òàê íðàâèòñÿ. Îíà íå âûäåðæàëà âîçìóùåíèé â êîíöå 80-õ ãîäîâ è ðóõíóëà... Âîïðîñû óñòîé÷èâîñòè îáóæäàåì çäåñü. http://www.musicforums.ru/kurilka/browse_thread.php?bn=mfor_kurilka&thread=1190960979&replies=0 |
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