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Ñîððè, ÷òî íà ìüþçèêôîðóìñ - íî íà ñïåöèàëüíûõ ôîðóìàõ íè ðîæíà íå íàøåë. Âîò êàêîé âîïðîñ. ß ñîâñåì çàïóòàëñÿ â ðàáîòå ñ ïðîôèëÿìè. XNView ïîêàçûâàåò êàðòèíêè íîðìàëüíûìè, ñâåòëûìè, à Ôîòîøîï ñèëüíî èõ òåìíèò. Ïî÷åìó òàêàÿ ôèãíÿ? Ôîòêè íàäî ñäàâàòü â æóðíàë â ãîòîâîì âèäå. À ÿ âîò íå çíàþ, êàê èõ îáðàáàòûâàòü. Íóæíî ëè âûñâåòëÿòü èõ â ÔØ? Èëè îáðàáàòûâàòü â ðåæèìå ïðîñìîòðà proof colors ìîíèòîðà? |
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Òåìà: Re: Âîïðîñ ïî Ôîòîøîïó
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ÇÛ: ïðè äîïóùåíèè, ÷òî ìîíèòîð õîðîøî îòêàëèáðîâàí. | |
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Òåìà: Re: Âîïðîñ ïî Ôîòîøîïó
Âðåìÿ: 16.08.2007 23:19 |
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Ìîñêâà
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ÿ òîêà ïýèíò áðàøå è â âîðäå óìåþ 
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ïîöåëîâàë ëàðèñó â ìàðèíó â ñóááîòó
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Òåìà: Re: Âîïðîñ ïî Ôîòîøîïó
Âðåìÿ: 16.08.2007 23:23 |
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Âî-ïåðâûõ è ãëàâíûõ, ðàáîòàòü ñ ïîäîáíûì íàäî íà êàëèáðèðîâàííîì ìîíèòîðå, èáî åñëè ïðîôèëü ïëàâàåò êóäà õî÷åò - íå óäèâèòåëüíî, ÷òî ïðîãðàììû êàæóò ñâåò è öâåò êàê õîòÿò [òàê êàê ïî-ðàçíîìó öåïëÿþòñÿ]. Åñëè ãîâîðèòü î äîñòîâåðíîñòè - ðåäàêòîð ÿñåí ïåíü êàæåò âåùè àäåêâàòíåå ïðîñìîòîðùèêà ïî îïðåäåëåíèþ. Âî-âòîðûõ, åñëè ðå÷ü èäåò î æóðíàëàõ è ïå÷àòè âîîáùå êàê òàêîâîé - äåëàåòñÿ öâåòîïðîáà, ïîòîìó ÷òî ñòóïåíåíèé è íþàíñîâ, ãäå ìîæåò çàïíóòüñÿ öâåò êóäà áîëüøå, ÷åì êàðòèíêà íà ìîíèòîðå. Â-òðåòèõ, çàíèìàòüñÿ äîëæåí êàê íå ïàðàäîêñàëüíî ïðîôåññèîíàë, èáî "â Áîëüøîì ïóñòü ïîþò, ÿ áóäó îïåðèðîâàòü, è íèêàêèõ ðàçðóõ" |
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Òåìà: Re: Âîïðîñ ïî Ôîòîøîïó
Âðåìÿ: 16.08.2007 23:25 |
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ÇÛ: ïðè äîïóùåíèè, ÷òî ìîíèòîð õîðîøî îòêàëèáðîâàí. ×òî çà ìîíèòîð, â òàêîì ñëó÷àå, è êàêîâà óâåðåííîñòü, ÷òî îí "õîðîøî îòêàëèáðèðîâàí"?) |
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Òåìà: Re: Âîïðîñ ïî Ôîòîøîïó
Âðåìÿ: 16.08.2007 23:39 |
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SPb programmin’, effectin’, beatmakin’, brainf#ckin’
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Ãîâåíåíüêèé ìîíèòîð, Ñàìñóíã 172N. Êàëèáðîâàë åãî â ïðîøëîì ãîäó ÷åë, êîòîðûé ðàçáèðàåòñÿ â òåìå. Êàëèáðîâàë êàê-òî õèòðî, íå ÷åðåç Àäîá ãàììó, èíà÷å. Ïî-ìîåìó, îí êàê-òî ïðàâèë çàâîäñêîé ïðîôèëü â ÔØ.  öâåòîïðîáàõ è ïðî÷åì ïðåïðèíòå ÿ íå ðàçáèðàþñü, õîòÿ ýòîò ïðîáåë íàäî ñðî÷íî âîññòàíàâëèâàòü. À åñëè áëèæå ê ñàáæó: â ðåæèìå proof colors / monitor RGB ÔØ êàæåò àáñîëþòíî òî æå ñàìîå, ÷òî ïðîñìîòðùèê... ÷òî, ñîáñòâåííî ãîâîðÿ, ëîãè÷íî. Íî åñëè âêëþ÷èòü proof colors / working CMYK èëè âîîáùå âûêëþ÷èòü proof colors - êàðòèíêà òåìíàÿ. Òàê ÷òî íåëüçÿ ñêàçàòü, ÷òî ÔØ âñåãäà êàæåò òî æå ñàìîå, ÷òî è ïðîñìîòðùèê. È ÿ íè ôèãà íå ïîíèìàþ, â êàêîì ðåæèìå ïðîñìîòðà îáðàáàòûâàòü êàðòèíêó. ÇÛ: "äîâîäèòü" êàðòèíêó, åññíî, áóäóò äèçàéíåðû, íî íå õîòåëîñü áû ïðèñûëàòü èì ôîòî, êîòîðûå íà 2-3ñòóïåíè EV òåìíåå íóæíîãî. |
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Òåìà: Re: Âîïðîñ ïî Ôîòîøîïó
Âðåìÿ: 16.08.2007 23:42 |
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ÇÇÛ: íà ìîíèòîðå êàìåðû îñâåùåííîñòü èçîáðàæåíèÿ ïðèìåðíî òà æå, ÷òî è â Moitor RGB íà êîìïå. Òî åñòü ÔØ ïîêàçûâàåò çíà÷èòåëüíóþ áîëåå òåìíóþ êàðòèíêó, íåæåëè ÿ âèæó íà ñàìîé êàìåðå. | |
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Òåìà: Re: Âîïðîñ ïî Ôîòîøîïó
Âðåìÿ: 16.08.2007 23:50 |
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Ìîæåò òåáå õèòðûé êàëèáðóí ïîõåðèë êîé-÷åãî? Äóðíîå äåëî îíî íåõèòðîå.  öâåòîïðîáàõ ðàçáèðàòüñÿ è íå íàäî - íà íèõ íàäî ñìîòðåòü è âòûêàòü, èáî ýòî ðåçóëüòàò è òàê áóäåò íàïå÷àòàíî â èòîãå, è ïî íåìó áóäåò ÿñíî ïî êðàéíåé ìåðå îäíî - äåëî â ìàêåòå ëèáî â åãî âîñïðîèçâåäåíèè íà ýêðàíå. Ñîáñòâåííî êîãäà òóìàí çà îêíîì è â ãîëîâå - íàñòîÿùèå ìóùùèíû ëåòàþò ïî ïðèáîðàì. Âîçüìè ùóï è îðèåíòðèðóéñÿ ïî öèôðàì: ïðîâåðü â ïåðâóþ î÷åðåäü íåéòðàëüíûå öâåòà, èõ ñîñòàâ è îòêëîíåíèå îò íîðìû, ñàìûå ñâåòëûå è òåìíûå òî÷êè èçîáðàæåíèÿ, èõ ìåñòîíàõîæäåíèå íà øêàëå è òàê äàëåå. ß á êîíå÷íî è êíèãè íóæíûå ïîðåêîìåíäîâàë, íî ìåíÿ ÷óâñòâóþ íóòðîì îïÿòü ïðîêëÿíóò â "ñîôèñòèêàõ" è "äóìàíèÿìè íå ñâîèì ìîçãîì" 
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Òåìà: Re: Âîïðîñ ïî Ôîòîøîïó
Âðåìÿ: 16.08.2007 23:53 |
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ÎÊ, ñïàñèáî. Íî ãäå âûáðàòü ýòè ñàìûå öâåòîïðîáû - â ðåäàêöèè? È â êàêîì ðåæèìå êàðòèíêó-òî ïðîñìàòðèâàòü ïðè îáðàáîòêå? Íó à ðåêîìåíäàöèÿì áóäó ðàä. |
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Òåìà: Re: Âîïðîñ ïî Ôîòîøîïó
Âðåìÿ: 16.08.2007 23:59 |
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keys to my creations & times 
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>ðåäàêòîð ÿñåí ïåíü êàæåò âåùè àäåêâàòíåå ïðîñìîòîðùèêà ïî îïðåäåëåíèþ. Âñ¸!.. Äæåê, çàáåé òû íà ñðàâíåíèÿ ñ ïðîñìîòðùèêàìè, ýòî çëî). Òîâàðåùè, âàì íàäî â àñå âñå ýòî áîëåå áðóòàëüíî ïåðåòåðåòü, êàê ñ÷èòàåòå? (ýòî íå íàìåê íà çàêðûòèå òåìû) |
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Òåìà: Re: Âîïðîñ ïî Ôîòîøîïó
Âðåìÿ: 17.08.2007 00:00 |
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SPb programmin’, effectin’, beatmakin’, brainf#ckin’
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* â ñìûñëå, "âçÿòü", à íå "âûáðàòü" ñîñåäíÿÿ òåìà ïîïóòàëà, ïîõîæå
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Òåìà: Re: Âîïðîñ ïî Ôîòîøîïó
Âðåìÿ: 17.08.2007 00:01 |
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Ìèñò, äà Áîã ñ íèì ñ ïðîñìîòðùèêîì. Âîò: >ÔØ ïîêàçûâàåò çíà÷èòåëüíóþ áîëåå òåìíóþ êàðòèíêó, íåæåëè ÿ âèæó íà ñàìîé êàìåðå. >â ðåæèìå proof colors / monitor RGB ÔØ êàæåò àáñîëþòíî òî æå ñàìîå, ÷òî ïðîñìîòðùèê... ÷òî, ñîáñòâåííî ãîâîðÿ, ëîãè÷íî. Íî åñëè âêëþ÷èòü proof colors / working CMYK èëè âîîáùå âûêëþ÷èòü proof colors - êàðòèíêà òåìíàÿ. |
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Òåìà: Re: Âîïðîñ ïî Ôîòîøîïó
Âðåìÿ: 17.08.2007 00:02 |
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Èìõî, òû çàïóòàëñÿ íåìíîãî ïðîñòî.
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Òåìà: Re: Âîïðîñ ïî Ôîòîøîïó
Âðåìÿ: 17.08.2007 00:06 |
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Íî ãäå âûáðàòü ýòè ñàìûå öâåòîïðîáû - â ðåäàêöèè? Ïðèõîäè êî ìíå â ïîëèãðàôèþ ñ ìàêåòîì òðåáóåìûîãî, íàïå÷àòàåì öâåòîïðîáó - ïîñìîòðèøü. È â êàêîì ðåæèìå êàðòèíêó-òî ïðîñìàòðèâàòü ïðè îáðàáîòêå?  ñìûñëå "ðåæèìå"? Îíî çäåñü íè ïðè ÷åì. Íó à ðåêîìåíäàöèÿì áóäó ðàä. Äåí Ìàðãóëèñ. |
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Òåìà: Re: Âîïðîñ ïî Ôîòîøîïó
Âðåìÿ: 17.08.2007 00:10 |
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Áèáëèÿ Ôîòîøîáà! 
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Òåìà: Re: Âîïðîñ ïî Ôîòîøîïó
Âðåìÿ: 17.08.2007 01:04 |
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>Èìõî, òû çàïóòàëñÿ íåìíîãî ïðîñòî. äûê î ÷åì ÿ è ãîâîðþ
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Òåìà: Re: Âîïðîñ ïî Ôîòîøîïó
Âðåìÿ: 17.08.2007 01:14 |
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Êàáàë,òåáå íåæåí äÿäüêà Wizard,îí ÷óâàê øàðèñòûé â ýòîì äåëå!!!!
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Òåìà: Re: Âîïðîñ ïî Ôîòîøîïó
Âðåìÿ: 17.08.2007 01:40 |
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Ìíå-òî îí íàõðåí íóæåí, ó ìåíÿ âîïðîñîâ âîîáùå-òî íå ïåðåä êåì è íå áûëî. ×åò ëîãèêè íå îùóòèë íàïðî÷ü 
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Òåìà: Re: Âîïðîñ ïî Ôîòîøîïó
Âðåìÿ: 17.08.2007 02:33 |
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> ñìûñëå "ðåæèìå"? Proof colors -> Monitor RGB, Windows RGB, Macintosh RGB, Working CMYK, custom, etc. >Îíî çäåñü íè ïðè ÷åì. Åñëè á áûëî íå ïðè ÷åì, êàðòèíêà á íå ìåíÿëàñü. >Äåí Ìàðãóëèñ. Áëàãîäàðþ. ÇÛ: âðîäå êàê ðåøåíèå íàøëîñü. |
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Òåìà: Re: Âîïðîñ ïî Ôîòîøîïó
Âðåìÿ: 17.08.2007 02:49 |
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È ïðè ÷åì çäåñü, ïîâòîðÿþ, öâåòîâîé ðåæèì ïðè ñîïîñòîâëåíèè èçîáðàæåíèé, êàê áûëî óêàçàííî, â ðàçíûõ ïðîãðàììàõ-òî? Åñåñåííî, êàðòèíêà áóäåò ìåíÿòüñÿ, èáî òû êàê ìèíèìóì ìåíÿåøü äèàïàçîíû íàáîðà öâåòîâ. |
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Òåìà: Re: Âîïðîñ ïî Ôîòîøîïó
Âðåìÿ: 17.08.2007 12:11 |
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Íå â ðàçíûõ ïðîãðàììàõ. Çàáåé íà Èêñ Ýí. Òîëüêî â ÔØ. | |
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Òåìà: Re: Âîïðîñ ïî Ôîòîøîïó
Âðåìÿ: 17.08.2007 15:48 |
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Íå â ðàçíûõ ïðîãðàììàõ. Çàáåé íà Èêñ Ýí. Òîëüêî â ÔØ. Íó è â ÷åì âîïðîñ-òî òîãäà âîîáùå?
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Òåìà: Re: Âîïðîñ ïî Ôîòîøîïó
Âðåìÿ: 17.08.2007 16:28 |
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Ðàçíûå ðåæèìû ïðîñìîòðà â ÔØ ïîêàçûâàþò ðàçíóþ îñâåùåííîñòü/öâåòà. Òî÷íåå, ïîêàçûâàËÈ. Âñ¸ íàñòðîåíî, ñëàâà Áîãó. |
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Òåìà: Re: Âîïðîñ ïî Ôîòîøîïó
Âðåìÿ: 17.08.2007 16:36 |
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Òîãäà, êàê ñîïñíî è áûëî ñêàçàíî ñðàçó, íå áûëî ïðèâÿçêè ïî ïðîôèëþ. Â êàêîì ìåñòå ìîíèòîð áûë "õîðîøî îòêàëèáðîâàí" - áîëüøîé çíàê âîïðîñà ñîîòâåòñòâåííî. | |
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Òåìà: Re: Âîïðîñ ïî Ôîòîøîïó
Âðåìÿ: 17.08.2007 16:39 |
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Äà, òû ïðàâ. | |
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Òåìà: Re: Âîïðîñ ïî Ôîòîøîïó
Âðåìÿ: 17.08.2007 16:48 |
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Êàäà óæå ïå÷àòàòü áóèòå,äàâàéòå!? | |
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Òåìà: Re: Âîïðîñ ïî Ôîòîøîïó
Âðåìÿ: 17.08.2007 17:44 |
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õèòðûé êàëèáðóí òàêîé ïåðë òî÷íî â ìåìîðèç!!! |
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[Ethnic ambient avant-garde metal]
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Òåìà: Re: Âîïðîñ ïî Ôîòîøîïó
Âðåìÿ: 17.08.2007 18:00 |
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Î äà))))), ìåíÿ òîæå çàöåïèëî). | |
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