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Òåìà: Êîìáèê äëÿ êëàâèøåé
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Êîëëåãè! ïîäåëèòåñü îïûòîì â âûáîðå êîìáèêà äëÿ êëàâèøåé | |
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Òåìà: Re: Êîìáèê äëÿ êëàâèøåé
Âðåìÿ: 20.07.2008 02:39 |
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Ìîñêâà êëàâèøè 
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Ïîñòåïåííî âúåçæàþ â òåìó. Ñìîòðþ Roland, Hartke, Alesis, Yorkville, Crate, Kustom. Íåïëîõî âûãëÿäèò âàðèàíò Roland KC-350: âñòðîåííûé ñòåðåî ìèêøåð,120 W, 3õ ïîëîñíûé ýêâàëàéçåð, Gnd. Lift (ïðèÿòíàÿ ôóíêöèÿ). Âåñ ïðèåìëåìûé 22 êã. Åñòü åùå Roland KC-550. Íî îí çíà÷èòåëüíî òÿæåëåå è äîðîæå. |
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Òåìà: Re: Êîìáèê äëÿ êëàâèøåé
Âðåìÿ: 20.07.2008 08:48 |
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Ìîñêâà êëàâèøè
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Íàøåë ñòàòüþ ñ íåãàòèâíûìè îòçûâàìè î ñòàðøåì áðàòå KC-350 áîëåå ìîùíîì KC-550 è åãî ïðåäøåñòâåííèêå KC-550. Âëàäåëüöû KC-500 óòâåðæäàþò, ÷òî â ïðîèçâîäñòâå ìîäåëè èñïîëüçóþòñÿ äåøåâûå äèíàìèêè. Ãîâîðÿò, ÷òî KC-550 â îòëè÷èè îò KC-500, çàìåíåíû direct box () íà áîëåå êà÷åñòâåííûå. Äîõîäèò äî òîãî, ÷òî ëþäè ïðîñòî ìåíÿþò âñå äèíàìèêè. Âîîáùåì, âïå÷àòëåíèÿ òàê ñåáå. |
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Òåìà: Re: Êîìáèê äëÿ êëàâèøåé
Âðåìÿ: 20.07.2008 14:06 |
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Ìîñêâà êëàâèøè
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 ïðèíöèïå âàðèàíò îò Hartke ìîäåëü KM 200 ñìîòðèòñÿ íåïëîõî. ×åòûðå ñòåðåî âõîäà, 15" àëþìèíèåâûé äèíàìèê. Èç ìèíóñîâ – ñàì óñèëèòåëü âûäàåò òîëüêî ìîíî ñèãíàë (äâà äèíàìèêà: Í× è Â×), è çíà÷èòåëüíûé âåñ 34. Òàêóþ øòóêó îäèí íå ïîòàñêàåøü. Ïðîäîëæàþ àíàëèç. | |
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Òåìà: Re: Êîìáèê äëÿ êëàâèøåé
Âðåìÿ: 20.07.2008 18:57 |
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Ìîñêâà êëàâèøè
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Ïîõîæèìè õàðàêòåðèñòèêàìè íà Hartke KM 200 îáëàäàåò Alesis Sumo 300. Îòëè÷èå ñîñòàâëÿåò íàëè÷èå ó Sumo 300 âñòðîåííîãî ïðîöåññîðà ýôôåêòîâ.  ïðèíöèïå ðåäêîñòü äëÿ êëàâèøíûé êîìáèêîâ (äà è íóæåí ëè îí, â ëþáîì ñèíòåçàòîðå åñòü ñâîè ïðîöåññîðû ýôôåêòîâ). Êàê è Hartke KM 200 âåñ – 34 êã. Ìíîãîâàòî áóäåò! |
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Òåìà: Re: Êîìáèê äëÿ êëàâèøåé
Âðåìÿ: 21.07.2008 01:04 |
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Ìîñêâà
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×åì êîìá äëÿ êëàâèø îòëè÷àåòñÿ îò ãèòàðíûõ? Íà ãèòàðíûõ èç çà êîìïðåññèè çâóê ñèëüíî èñêàæàåòñÿ,à ñ êëàâèøíûìè êàê? |
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Òåìà: Re: Êîìáèê äëÿ êëàâèøåé
Âðåìÿ: 21.07.2008 02:36 |
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Ýòî òåìà î ðàçìûøëåíèè @whitenoise íàä ïîêóïêîé êîìáèêà))) íà ñàìîì äåëå ìîëîäåö!)) | |
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Òåìà: Re: Êîìáèê äëÿ êëàâèøåé
Âðåìÿ: 21.07.2008 04:28 |
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Ìîñêâà êëàâèøè
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Íó íàêîíåö-òî! Äèàëîã! Óðà! | |
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Òåìà: Re: Êîìáèê äëÿ êëàâèøåé
Âðåìÿ: 21.07.2008 04:52 |
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Ìîñêâà êëàâèøè
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×åñòíî ãîâîðÿ, äëÿ ìåíÿ ýòà òåìà â íîâüå. Íåêîòîðîå âðåìÿ íàçàä ñòîëêíóëñÿ ñ êëàâèøíûìè êîìáèêàìè. Îïðîáîâàë â æèâóþ (êîíöåðò, ðåïà). Îêàçàëîñü êðóòî! Øòóêà î÷åíü óäîáíàÿ. Âî-ïåðâûõ, åñëè êîíöåðò íåáîëüøîé, ìîæíî âîîáùå íè âî ÷òî áîëüøå íå âêëþ÷àòüñÿ (òèïà êîðïîðàòèâ êàêîé-íèáóäü); âî-âòîðûõ, åñëè íà áîëüøîé ñöåíå âûñòóïàåøü – îòëè÷íî ñåáÿ ñëûøèøü, ïðè ýòîì ó òåáÿ ïîä ðóêîé ýêâàëàéçåð, íîðìàëüíûå direct box; â-òðåòüèõ, âñå íåîáõîäèìûå ôóíêöèè â îäíîì óñòðîéñòâå: ìèêøåð (ìîæíî ñðàçó íåñêîëüêî êëàâèøåé âêëþ÷èòü), direct box, ýêâàëàéçåð. Îñíîâíîé ìèíóñ – â áîëüøèíñòâå ñëó÷àåâ êîìáèê ñïîñîáåí âûäàòü òîëüêî ìîíî ñèãíàë. Ïðàâäà è ìîíèòîð ó òåáÿ îáû÷íî îäèí (íèêîãäà íå çíàåøü êàêîãî êà÷åñòâà  ), ò.å. òîæå ìîíî ïîëó÷àåòñÿ, òîëüêî êà÷åñòâî ôèãîâîå. Òàêæå ñëåäóåò îáðàòèòü íà âåñ è ðàçìåðû – íàäî æå åùå è äî ìàøèíû äîíåñòè.Âîò ÿ è ðåøèë âûáðàòü ñåáå, ÷òî-íèáóäü ïî äóøå. Íà÷àë ñ òîãî, ÷òî îïðåäåëèë ïåðå÷åíü òåõíè÷åñêèõ òðåáîâàíèé, ÷òîáû ïîòîì óæå îòîáðàííûå ìîäåëè åõàòü ñìîòðåòü. Ïåðå÷åíü ìîèõ òðåáîâàíèé: Ñòåðåî Ìèêøåð (òîëüêî òîïîâûå ìîäåëè) Âñòðîåííûé direct box (íàëè÷èå Line outs) Ýêâàëàéçåð, ìèíèìóì 3 ïîëîñû (åñòü ïî÷òè âî âñåõ) Âåñ (íå áîëåå 23 êã, èíà÷å ïîä êîìáèêîì è ïîìðåøü) |
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Âðåìÿ: 21.07.2008 04:54 |
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Ïî ïîâîäó îòëè÷èÿ êëàâèøíûõ êîìáèêîâ îò ãèòàðíûõ è áàñîâûõ. Ñàìîå îñíîâíîå – ÷àñòîòíûé äèàïàçîí. Õîðîøèé êëàâèøíûé êîìáèê âîñïðîèçâîäèò 20 Ãö – 20 êÃö, ÷òî ñ÷èòàåòñÿ ñëûøèìûì äèàïàçîíîì ÷àñòîò. Ãèòàðíûå êîìáèêè ðàññ÷èòàíû íà ñðåäíèé äèàïàçîí ÷àñòîò, áàñîâûå – íà íèçêèå ÷àñòîòû. ß ýòî âñå âû÷èòàë â îñíîâíîì íà èíîñòðàííûõ ôîðóìàõ. Ó íàñ ýòà òåìà ïî÷åìó-òî ñëàáî çàòðîíóòà, èëè ÿ ïðîñòî íå íàøåë. Åùå åñòü êàòåãîðèÿ êîìáèêîâ äëÿ àêóñòè÷åñêèõ ãèòàð. Ýòè ìîíñòðû òàêæå âîñïðîèçâîäÿò ïîëíûé íàáîð ÷àñòîò. Ïîýòîìó, êëàâèøíèêè èíîãäà èñïîëüçóþò êîìáèêè äëÿ àêóñòè÷åñêèõ ãèòàð, è íàîáîðîò – ãèòàðèñòû èñïîëüçóþò êëàâèøíûå êîìáèêè. |
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Âðåìÿ: 21.07.2008 04:55 |
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Ìîñêâà êëàâèøè
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×åñòíî ãîâîðÿ, õîòåëîñü áû âûñëóøàòü ìíåíèå ëþäåé, êîòîðûå ñàìè èñïîëüçóþò òàêîå îáîðóäîâàíèå. Áðàòöû! Ïîäåëèòåñü îïûòîì. | |
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Òåìà: Re: Êîìáèê äëÿ êëàâèøåé
Âðåìÿ: 21.07.2008 09:47 |
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Ìîñêâà êëàâèøè
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Ó ôèðìû Crate êàê è ó áîëüøèíñòâà äðóãèõ ïðîèçâîäèòåëåé òîëüêî îäíà ìîäåëü èìååò ñòåðåî ìèêøåð. Îíà æå ñàìàÿ òÿæåëàÿ – 34 êã. Íàáîð ôóíêöèé ïðèáëèçèòåëüíî òàêîé æå êàê è ó îñòàëüíûõ êîìáèêîâ äàííîé êàòåãîðèè: ñòåðåîìèêøåð, ìèêðîôîííûé âõîä, ýêâàëàéçåð ìîíîãîïîëîñíûé (íî îáùèé íà âñå êàíàëû  ), ïîñûë íà ýôôåêò (íàäî ëè, åñëè òîëüêî äëÿ âîêàëà).  äîïîëíåíèå çäåñü ìîæíî íàéòè ðàçäåëüíûå preamp out è line out. Îäíàêî íåïîíÿòíî êàêîãî îíè òèïà: balanced èëè unbalanced. Ýòî íàâîäèò íà ìûñëè î êà÷åñòâå. Îïÿòü ñëèøêîì òÿæåëûé - 34 êã. Òàêóþ øòóêó ìîæåò ïîçâîëèòü ñåáå òîëüêî Òóð÷èíñêèé. Íî îí ïî-ìîåìó ñ ìóçûêîé íà âû
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Òåìà: Re: Êîìáèê äëÿ êëàâèøåé
Âðåìÿ: 21.07.2008 13:38 |
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Vermona PerFOURmer, Roland RS-09, Kurzweil SP4-7, Akai Miniak
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Ñàìûé ëåãêèé êîìáî ìîùíîñòüþ 350W - Roland SA-300 - 11êã òîï è 10êã íèç è õîðîøèå îòçûâû î çâóêå Ïðàâäà öåíà îêîëî 1200$ Çàêàçàë ñåáå òàêîé - åñëè ïðèéäåò - ïîäåëþñü âïå÷åòëåíèÿìè |
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Òåìà: Re: Êîìáèê äëÿ êëàâèøåé
Âðåìÿ: 21.07.2008 14:25 |
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> Õîðîøèé êëàâèøíûé êîìáèê âîñïðîèçâîäèò 20 Ãö – 20 êÃö ñòóäèéíûå ìîíèòîðû-òî íå âñå òàêóþ ïîëîñó âûäàþò 
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Âðåìÿ: 21.07.2008 15:02 |
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Ó ìåíÿ ìîíèòîðû Tannoy Active Reveal: 62 Ãö äî 20 êÃö (+/- 3 äÁ). Îòëè÷íûå ìîíèòîðû. Ïàðà âûäàåò 200 W. Äîìà èãðàþ â îñíîâíîì ÷åðåç íèõ. Ñëàáî ñåáå ïðåäñòàâëÿþ èñïîëüçîâàíèå òàêèõ ìîíèòîðîâ íà êîíöåðòå â êà÷åñòâå ïîäçâó÷êè. Ïî ìîùíîñòè ìîæåò, áûëî áû è äîñòàòî÷íî, íî äîëãî îíè íå ïðîòÿíóò. Ðàç óðîíèøü – ïèøè ïðîïàëî. ß äóìàþ õîðîøèé êëàâèøíûé êîìáèê ñïîñîáåí âûäàòü 20 Ãö – 20 êÃö áåç ïðîáëåì. Êîíå÷íî óðîâåíü èñêàæåíèé (íåëèíåéíîñòü À×Õ è Ô×Õ) ìîæåò áûòü ïîâûøå, îäíàêî òðåáîâàíèÿ íà êîíöåðòå ê ýòèì ïàðàìåòðàì íåñêîëüêî íèæå. Çàòî ìíîãî ïîëåçíûõ ôóíêöèé, êîòîðûõ íåò ìîíèòîðàõ: âñòðîåííûé ìèêøåð, direct box, ýêâàëàéçåð, äà è Í× õîðîøèé êîìáèê âîñïðîèçâåäåò ãîðàçäî ëó÷øå (÷åì áîëüøå Í× äèíàìèê, òåì ëó÷øå íèç äåðæàòü áóäåò). Äóìàþ åñëè áû êëàâèøíûå êîìáèêè áûëè áû íè êîìó íå íóæíû èõ áû íå âûïóñêàëè â òàêîì øèðîêîì àññîðòèìåíòå. |
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Âðåìÿ: 21.07.2008 15:09 |
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Ïîæàëóé, Roland SA-300 âûãîäíî îòëè÷àåòñÿ îò êîíêóðåíòîâ, êàê ìîáèëüíîñòüþ, òàê è íàáîðîì ôóíêöèé. Íåïëîõîé âàðèàíò. Âîçüìåì íà çàìåòêó. | |
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Èíòåðåñíî èñïîëüçóåò ëè Roland áîëåå êà÷åñòâåííûå êîìïîíåíòû, ÷åì â ÊÑ ñåðèè? 
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íåðåçèíîâñê Petrof / Roland VR-760 / Edwards STL95 / Rickenbacker 4001 repli 
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in-ear monitoring ñïàñ¸ò îòöîâ ðóññêîé äåìîêðàòèè ,) | |
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in-ear monitoring øòóêà îòëè÷íàÿ, îñîáåííî äëÿ êîíöåðòîâ. Ïî èäåå è òî è äðóãîå íàäî. Íà êîðïîðàòèâå êîìáèê î÷åíü ïðèãîäèòñÿ. | |
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Peavey KB(R) 4 âðîäå íè÷åãî. Íàáîð ôóíêöèé ïðèáëèçèòåëüíî òàêîé æå êàê è ó äðóãèõ ïðîèçâîäèòåëåé: ground lift, stereo effects loop, XLR balanced stereo line out, Stereo mixer with 2-band EQ and main effects send/return, Mic/Line channel with 3-band EQ and effects send/return, Monitor input with level control and assign. Âåñ îïÿòü îõðåíåííûé - 82.5êã.
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Íà ôîðóìàõ ðóãàþò êëàâèøíûå êîìáèêè Peavey çà ÷ðåçìåðíóþ îñòðîòó çâóêà. Ýòî êîíå÷íî âñå íà îùóùåíèÿõ, íî âñå-òàêè ìíîãî íåãàòèâíûõ îòçûâîâ. | |
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Ôèðìà Kustom ïîõîæå âîîáùå íå çàïàðèâàåòñÿ íà ñåðüåçíîå îáîðóäîâàíèå. Ñòàâèò ïðèëè÷íûå äèíàìèêè, à âñå îñòàëüíîå - òàê ñåáå. 
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Âðåìÿ: 22.07.2008 05:36 |
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Yorkville òîæå íå äåëàåò êîìáèêè ñî ñòåðåî ìèêøåðîì, õîòÿ ôèðìà âðîäå ñîëèäíàÿ. hmmmm | |
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Ìîñêâà êëàâèøè
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Óõ òû! Ýòà øòóêà, ïîõîæå, î÷åíü êðóòàÿ. Motion Sound KBR-3D Óñèëîê íà ëàìïàõ, âñòðîåííûé Leslie Speaker, ñòåðåî (ïðè÷åì çà ñ÷åò îñîáîãî, ïîä óãëîì, ðàñïîëîæåíèÿ äèíàìèêîâ, áóäåò è çâó÷àòü êàê ñòåðåî). Áëèí, êðóòî. Âåñèò, êîíå÷íî, îïÿòü ïîä òðèäöàòêó, íî çà òàêîå ìîæíî è ïîñòðàäàòü. Îòçûâû âñå òîëüêî ïîëîæèòåëüíûå. Ãîâîðÿò ëó÷øèé êîìáèê äëÿ êëàâèøåé. Îõîòíî âåðþ.  Ðîññèè ïðî Motion Sound ïîõîæå íèêòî è íå ñëûøàë. Íè ñëîâà â Ru-NEt ïðî ýòó ôèðìó à óæ òåì áîëåå è ïðî êîíêðåòíóþ ìîäåëü. À çðÿ! • Pre-Gain sets the amount of 12AX7 overdrive. • Controls: Contour controls the high frequency cut ofF adjustable from 4 Khz to 7 Khz, Post Gain controls the volume of the rotary channel horn and simulator. • Stereo simulator. • Two built-in microphones with level controls. • Low Rotor Volume adjusts the balance of Horn and low rotor simulator. • Low Rotor Bass EQ is at 100 Hz. • Effect: controls the amount of Low Rotor simulation. • Stereo Channel one includes an adjustable 3D expander. The effect is dependant on the quality of the stereo source. • Channel two is normal stereo. • Bass, Middle, and Treble EQ are global. • 2 1/4" power amp inputs, a dry rotary channel 1/4" output, two XLR outputs and two horn microphone level adjustments. • Speed control is via supplied footswitch with Fast, Slow, and Stop. • XLR's send all signals to a PA system's balance XLR inputs. • Stereo channels (each channel) : 1 10" 150 speaker 1 3.5" square • Ferro cooled 80 dynamic horn. Rotary Horn: PD-40 60 watt phenolic diaphragm. • Total available power is 240 watts RMS; all channels share this power. • Rotary Horn amplifier = 45 watts RMS. • Each channel of the stereo amplifier = 130 watts RMS. • MDF construction, zero maintenance rotay system. • 117 VAC 50/60 Hz 400 Watts. • H 21" W 24.5" D16.5" W70 Lbs. |
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Òåìà: Re: Êîìáèê äëÿ êëàâèøåé
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Ìîñêâà êëàâèøè
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Ýòà ôîòêà áîëåå óäà÷íàÿ | |
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Òåìà: Re: Êîìáèê äëÿ êëàâèøåé
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Òåìà: Re: Êîìáèê äëÿ êëàâèøåé
Âðåìÿ: 23.07.2008 00:44 |
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Ìîñêâà êëàâèøè
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Íó ÷òî æå áðàòü?? Áðàòöû ïîñîâåòóéòå | |
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Òåìà: Re: Êîìáèê äëÿ êëàâèøåé
Âðåìÿ: 23.07.2008 10:55 |
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Vermona PerFOURmer, Roland RS-09, Kurzweil SP4-7, Akai Miniak
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@whitenoise Íó îõâàòèë ïîæàëóé è âñå êîìáèêè - òîæå çà âñå ýòè ÷èòàë - âîñíîâíîì ïî áóðæóéñêèì ôîðóìàõ Íà òåõ æå ôîðóìàõ êñòàòè âëàäåëüöû Ðîëàíäà RA-300 îòçûâàþòüñÿ î÷åíü õîðîøî - ãîâîðÿò âñå æ ãîðàçäî ëó÷øå KC ñåðèè Íè÷åãî òî÷íî íå ñêàæó ïîêà íå ïîñëóøàþ Æäó ïðèåçäà çàêàçà |
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Òåìà: Re: Êîìáèê äëÿ êëàâèøåé
Âðåìÿ: 23.07.2008 16:36 |
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Ìîñêâà êëàâèøè
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Óõ òû åùå îäèí êëåâûé êîìá íàøåë. Traynor K4. Â ïðèíöèïå äî ìàøèíû äîòàùèòü ìîæíî: 22.7 êã. ÍÀ ËÀÌÏÀÕ!! ÑÒÅÐÅÎ!! Îáàëäåòü íàä ñëóøàòü åõàòü.  Features True Stereo Configuration in a combo amplifier format 300 watts (200 watts low frequency, 2 x 50 watts mid / high frequencies) 4 sets of front panel stereo inputs (three channels) Post DI stereo line input with dedicated volume control (rear) XLR DI Outputs (Stereo) Solid Plywood Cabinet Construction All metal grille & metal bar handles Operates upright or as a wedge monitor Specifications Type Keyboard Amplifer Cabinet Program Power (Watts) 300 Speaker Configuration - LF (Size / Power) 12-inch/200-watts Speaker Configuration - HF (Size / Power) 2x4.5-inch/50-watts / 2x2.5-inch/50-watts Frequency Response (Hz +/-3dB) 20 - 20k Inputs 4 Channel 1 - inputs 2 Stereo pairs of 1/4-inch TRS Channel 1 - controls Gain, 3 band EQ, 5 position voicing, Lead/OD Trim Channel 1 - switches Lead/Overdrive, Tube/Solid State input select Channel 2 - inputs Stereo pair 1/4-inch TRS, mono XLR Channel 2 - controls Gain, 3 band EQ Channel 3 - inputs Stereo pair of 1/4-inch TRS, stereo RCA Channel 3 - controls Gain Channel 4 - inputs Stereo pair of balanced 1/4-inch TRS Channel 4 - controls Gain Master Volume Control Yes Input Sensitivity (mV) Ch.1/2 - 500mV / Ch. 3 - 250mV Line Out (type / configuration) Stereo XLR (Post EQ, Pre Master), Ground Lift Line Out Sensitivity (Vrms) 1Vrms LED Indicators Power, Clip Lead/OD Protection Thermal Headphone Jack Yes (Rear) Other Features Unfilitered mono-summed Subwoofer 1/4-inch output Dimensions (DWH, inches) 15.5 / 23.3 / 19.6 Dimensions (DWH, cm) 39.4 / 59 / 50 Weight (lbs / kg) 50 / 22.6 |
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Òåìà: Re: Êîìáèê äëÿ êëàâèøåé
Âðåìÿ: 23.07.2008 23:39 |
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Ìîñêâà êëàâèøè
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Ïîïðîáîâàë Trayner K4. Çâó÷èò îòëè÷íî. Ëàìïîâûé ïðåä (12AX7) äåëàåò ñâîå äåëî. Âîçìîæíîñòè ïîñëóøàòü Motion Sound KBR-3D ó ìåíÿ íåò, íî áàñû ó K4 äóìàþ ëó÷øå çà ñ÷åò 12" ïðîòèâ 10" ó KBR-3D. Ñòåðåîáàçà ëó÷øå ó KBR-3D, äà è íàñòîÿùèé Leslie íè÷òî íå çàìåíèò. Æàëü, ÷òî ê íàì Motion Sound íå çàâîçÿò. Íó äà ëàäíî. Ïîæàëóé, Trayner K4 - ëó÷øèé âàðèàíò èç òîãî ÷òî äîñòóïíî â Ðîññèè.
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Òåìà: Re: Êîìáèê äëÿ êëàâèøåé
Âðåìÿ: 23.07.2008 23:51 |
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Ìîñêâà êëàâèøè
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Roalnd SA-300 - õîðîøèé âàðèàíò, îñîáåííî â ïëàíå êîìïàêòíîñòè. Íî ìåíÿ áîëüøå ëàìïîâûé ïðåàìï ìàíèò . Roalnd SA-300 èìååò âñÿêèå ïðèÿòíîñòè (íà âñÿêèé ñëó÷àé, à ñëó÷àé áûâàåò âñÿêèé ) : íà êàæäîì èç êàíàëîâ âñòðîåííîãî ìèêøåðà åñòü ìèêðîôîííûé âõîä è ïîñûë íà âñòðîåííóþ îáðàáîòêó.Öåíîâîé äèàïàçîí îäèí è òîò æå. Îñòàëîñü òîëüêî ðåøèòü, ÷òî âàæíåå 4 ìèêðîôîíà ñ ïîñûëîì íà âñòðîåííûé ïðîöåññîð ýôôåêòîâ, èëè ëàìïîâûé ïðåàìï ñî ñòåðåî çâó÷àíèåì. Ìíå áîëüøå èíòåðåñíî âòîðîå |
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Òåìà: Re: Êîìáèê äëÿ êëàâèøåé
Âðåìÿ: 24.07.2008 08:16 |
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Ìîñêâà êëàâèøè
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>Ïîïðîáîâàë Traynor K4. Çâó÷èò îòëè÷íî. Ëàìïîâûé ïðåä (12AX7) äåëàåò ñâîå äåëî. Âîçìîæíîñòè ïîñëóøàòü Motion Sound KBR-3D ó ìåíÿ íåò, íî áàñû ó K4 äóìàþ ëó÷øå çà ñ÷åò 12" ïðîòèâ 10" ó KBR-3D. Ñòåðåîáàçà ëó÷øå ó KBR-3D, äà è íàñòîÿùèé Leslie íè÷òî íå çàìåíèò. > >Æàëü, ÷òî ê íàì Motion Sound íå çàâîçÿò. Íó äà ëàäíî. Ïîæàëóé, Traynor K4 - ëó÷øèé âàðèàíò èç òîãî ÷òî äîñòóïíî â Ðîññèè. |
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Òåìà: Re: Êîìáèê äëÿ êëàâèøåé
Âðåìÿ: 24.07.2008 15:40 |
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Vermona PerFOURmer, Roland RS-09, Kurzweil SP4-7, Akai Miniak
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@whitenoise ÿ ÷åãîòî íåïîíèìàþ ïðåëåñòåé ëàìïîâîãî ïðåàìïà äëÿ ÊËÀÂÈØÅÉ! P.S. Ðîëàíä òîæå ñî ñòåðåî ðàçäåëåíèåì |
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Òåìà: Re: Êîìáèê äëÿ êëàâèøåé
Âðåìÿ: 25.07.2008 10:17 |
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Ìîñêâà êëàâèøè
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Ìíå êàçàëîñü, ÷òî ó Roland íåò îòäåëüíî äèíàìèêîâ íà ïðàâûé è íà ëåâûé êàíàëû.  Ê4 12" äèíàìèê ðàáîòàåò, êàê íà ïðàâûé, òàê è íà ëåâûé êàíàëû, çàòî Ñ× è Â× äèíàìèêè îòäåëüíî äëÿ ïðàâîãî è ëåâîãî êàíàëîâ (âñåãî 5 ïîëó÷àåòñÿ) Ïî ïîâîäó ëàìïû - êîìó, ÷òî íðàâèòñÿ. Ó ìåíÿ Clavia Nord Stage. Ìîæíî êîíå÷íî ïîëüçîâàòüñÿ âñòðîåííûì ïåðåãðóçîì äëÿ Hammond B3, Clavinet è Rhodes, íî íàñòîÿùèì ëàïîâûì ïðåäîì êîíå÷íî ïðèÿòíåå. Åñëè Gain ìíîãî íå äàâàòü (áåç ïåðåãðóçà) - ïîëó÷àåøü õîðîøèé òåïëûé çâóê. Òàêîé ïîäõîäèò î÷åíü äàæå è äëÿ âñåõ îñòàëüíûõ òåìáðîâ. Ñëîæíî ñëîâàìè îáúÿñíèòü. Ïðîáîâàòü íàäî. Åñëè áóäåøü â Ìîñêâå - çàñêî÷è â Ìèð Ìóçûêè íà Ìàÿêîâñêîé. Ïîñëóøàé |
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Òåìà: Re: Êîìáèê äëÿ êëàâèøåé
Âðåìÿ: 25.07.2008 10:27 |
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1-9-9 ... è Roland: 700SX, X7, A33, KC550. 
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ß îò êóäà-òî çíàþ, ÷òî êëàâèøíûé êîìá âåùü ñîâåðøåííî îñîáåííàÿ, ò.ê. ïðåäïîëàãàåòñÿ âîñïðîèçâåäåíèå òåìáðîâ, ñýìïëîâ è ïð. ñ ðàçëè÷íûìè õàðàêòåðèñòèêàìè è âî âñåì çâóêîâîì äèàïàçîíå. ×èòàÿ ïðî ðîëîíäóñîâûå êîìáàðè, çàïîìíèëàñü ôðàçà ... áåðåæíîå âîñïðîèçâåäåíèå... Èãðàÿ ÷åðåç êñ 550 âñåãäà åå âñïîìèíàþ... ×åñòíî ãîâîðÿ, ìíå íðàâèòñÿ çâó÷àíèå. Âîçèë è ñ ñîáîé... Ñòîèò ëè ïîïóïàòü åãî äîìîé? Åñëè á ó ìåíÿ åãî íå áûëî, òî òåïåðü íå ñòàë áû ïîêóïàòü. À ðàç åñòü, î ïóñòü áóäåò. ) Òîñêàòüñÿ ñ íèì ïî êîíöåðòàì òîæ çàíÿòèå íå ïðîñòîå... îòâå÷àþ...  òðåíàæåðíîì çàëå ïîä óãëîì ëåæà ñîòêó æìó, íî êîìáàðü òîñêàòü â ëîì èç-çà åãî ãàáàðèòîâ. Äà è ïðîòàùèâ, ðóêè ïðèõîäèòñÿ ðàññëàáëÿòü... èãðàòü òðóäíî ïîòîì...  îáùåì, åñëè õî÷åòñÿ êëàâèøíûé êîìáèê, òî ïðèöåë òîëüêî íà äîìàøíèå êîíöåðòû ïåðåä óâàæàåìîé ïóáëèêîé óìåñòåí.  ïðîòèâíîì ñëó÷àå ìîæíî îáîéòèñü. Çäåñü íà ôîðóìå óæå íå ðàç òåðëè íà ýòó òåìó. Âñå èìõî (ò.å. ìîå ëè÷íîå ìíåíèå).
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Òåìà: Re: Êîìáèê äëÿ êëàâèøåé
Âðåìÿ: 25.07.2008 14:49 |
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Vermona PerFOURmer, Roland RS-09, Kurzweil SP4-7, Akai Miniak
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>Ìíå êàçàëîñü, ÷òî ó Roland íåò îòäåëüíî äèíàìèêîâ íà ïðàâûé è íà ëåâûé êàíàëû.  RA-300 ðàçäåëüíûå ñðåäíå÷àñòîòíûå äèíàìèêè + îáùèé ñàá |
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Òåìà: Re: Êîìáèê äëÿ êëàâèøåé
Âðåìÿ: 25.07.2008 14:55 |
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Korosten KORG X50
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Ñêàæèòå ïîæëàëñòà ìíå íåïðîñâåòë¸ííîìó.....çà÷åì íóæåí ÊËÀÂÈØÍÛÉ êîìáèê? | |
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Ìóçûêà âñåãäà ñî ìíîé
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Òåìà: Re: Êîìáèê äëÿ êëàâèøåé
Âðåìÿ: 26.07.2008 07:37 |
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ÑÏá Kurzweil PC3 
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>Ñêàæèòå ïîæëàëñòà ìíå íåïðîñâåòë¸ííîìó.....çà÷åì íóæåí ÊËÀÂÈØÍÛÉ êîìáèê? Ñëûøàòü!
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Òåìà: Re: Êîìáèê äëÿ êëàâèøåé
Âðåìÿ: 26.07.2008 12:43 |
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Ìîñêâà Ýòíè÷åñêèå 
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×åçãðÿ äëÿ ñèíòà êëàâèøíûé êîìáåã ëó÷øå íå áðàòü, èáî ìîíî-çâóê, à ó ñèíòîâ âñÿ ïðåëåñòü çâóêà â ñòåðåîôîíè÷íîñòè. Ìîíà êíåøíî äâà êóïèòü, íî íàõ èáî äîðîãî. Ñîâåòóþ êóïèòü ìîíèòîðû Yamaha MSP-5. È âûéäåò íåäîðîãî, è çâóê ëó÷øèé â ñâîåé ÷åíîâîé êàòåãîðèè. |
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Òåìà: Re: Êîìáèê äëÿ êëàâèøåé
Âðåìÿ: 28.07.2008 16:54 |
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Vermona PerFOURmer, Roland RS-09, Kurzweil SP4-7, Akai Miniak
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R-A-Y ìàëîìîùíî |
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Òåìà: Re: Êîìáèê äëÿ êëàâèøåé
Âðåìÿ: 04.08.2008 20:26 |
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ß ïîääåðæèâàþ R-A-Y, âñÿ òåìà â ñòåðåî. Ñòðàííî ÷òî íà êîíöåðòàõ íåò íîðìàëíîãî ìîíèòîðèíãà è ïðèõîäèòüñÿ òàñêàòü ñâîé êîìáàðü. Ó ìåíÿ ýòèì ïðîáëåì íèêîãäà íå áûëî.....íå çíàþ, ïîìîåìó íå ñðàâíèòü. Õîòü êàêîé êîìáàðü è ñòåðåî. çâó÷èò ñîâñåì ïîäðóãîìó......äóìàþ íóæíî èñêàòü âàðèàíò â ýòîì íàïðàâëåíèè. Êóïèòü ìîíèêè ïîáîëüøå..... äàæå íå çíàþ.... | |
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Òåìà: Re: Êîìáèê äëÿ êëàâèøåé
Âðåìÿ: 21.08.2008 23:14 |
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Liverpool Keyboards 
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Ó ìåíÿ Peavey KB-5 150 âàòò. Ëàìïîâûé, õîðí è 2 äèíàìèêà ïî 10. Ýòî ÷óäî, ñîâåòóþ | |
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Mozart - âåëèêèé êîìïîçèòîð
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Òåìà: Re: Êîìáèê äëÿ êëàâèøåé
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Èíòåðåñíî,ãäå-æå ó íåãî òàì ëàìïà?... | |
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Îò Ñàíòàíû Êàðëîñà-íèêàêîãà ïàðíàñà!
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Òåìà: Re: Êîìáèê äëÿ êëàâèøåé
Âðåìÿ: 22.08.2008 13:41 |
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Vermona PerFOURmer, Roland RS-09, Kurzweil SP4-7, Akai Miniak
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>Èíòåðåñíî,ãäå-æå ó íåãî òàì ëàìïà?... Ìîæåò áûòü òà ÷òî ñèãíàëèçèðóåò âêëþ÷åíèå ïèòàíèÿ ? ) |
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Òåìà: Re: Êîìáèê äëÿ êëàâèøåé
Âðåìÿ: 27.08.2008 22:11 |
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Liverpool Keyboards
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àãà, åñòü çåë¸íàÿ, à åñòü êðàñíàÿ, êîãäà ïåðåãðóç;) | |
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Mozart - âåëèêèé êîìïîçèòîð
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