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Òåìà: KORG X50 íóæåí ñîâåò
Âðåìÿ: 29.10.2007 01:19 |
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ÑÏá Korg X50 
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Ëþäè, êòî çíàêîì ñ õ50, ïîìîãèòå ñîâåòîì! Íóæåí ëåãêèé (ïî âåñó - òàñêàòü íà ñåáå  èíñòðóìåíò äëÿ æèâîé èãðû. Ïîñëóøàë â ìàãàçèíå Korg X50 è Roland Juno-D. Õ50 áîëüøå ïîíðàâèëñÿ ïî çâóêó, çâóêîâ ìíîãî è íåïëîõèõ. Îäíî íåïîíÿòíî - êàê áûñòðî âêëþ÷àòü íóæíûå âî âðåìÿ æèâîãî âûñòóïëåíèÿ? Èëè íàïðèìåð, õî÷ó ÿ ñäåëàòü íàáîð êîìáèíàöèé äëÿ ïåñíè (ñ ðàçäåëåíèåì/íàëîæåíèåì çâóêîâ), êóäà èõ ïèñàòü? Âñå òðè áàíêà êîìáèíàöèé çàïîëíåíû, ÷òî äåëàòü - óäàëÿòü ÿâíî íåíóæíûå (âñÿêèå ðýïû è ïð.) è ïåðåòàñîâûâàòü áàíêè, ÷òîáû ïîëó÷èëîñü íåñêîëüêî ñâîáîäíûõ ÿ÷ååê ïîäðÿä äëÿ ñâîèõ íàñòðîåê?Èãðàåì â êàáàêå, ïåñåí ìíîãî, ïåðåêëþ÷àòüñÿ íàäî áûñòðî. Íåóæåëè â ñöåíè÷åñêîì èíñòðóìåíòå íå ïðåäóñìîòðåíî ÷òîòî áîëåå óäîáíîå ÷åì "ïåðåìîòêà" çâóêîâ âïåðåä-íàçàä èëè ââîä íîìåðà öèôðîâûìè êíîïêàìè??? Íó ïî÷åìó íå äåëàþò çàïèñü çâóêîâûõ íàñòðîåê â îòäåëüíûé áàíê ñ âûçîâîì ïî îäíîé êíîïêå êàê â ìîåé ñòàðîé ñàìîèãðàéêå psr-520??? Ó äæóíî åñòü íåêèå "ïåðôîìàíñû" íî êàê îíè ðàáîòàþò â ìàãàçèíå ðàçîáðàòüñÿ íå óñïåë.. ß â ïîëíîì íåäîóìåíèè! Íàðîä, êòî èãðàåò âæèâóþ íà X50 èëè Juno-D ïîäåëèòåñü ïëèç, êàê âû âûõîäèòå èç ïîëîæåíèÿ!!! |
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Òåìà: Re: KORG X50 íóæåí ñîâåò
Âðåìÿ: 29.10.2007 02:14 |
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â ïîèñêå êó÷à ïî ýòîé òåìå, ñåé÷àñ íå íàïèøó, ñïëþ óæå )) ôóíêöèÿ 10`hold âîîáùåì. |
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Òåìà: Re: KORG X50 íóæåí ñîâåò
Âðåìÿ: 29.10.2007 02:26 |
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metro Kurzweil, Yamaha 
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íó â ïñð-êå âû ïîíÿëè ÷òî ìîæíî óäîáíî çàôèêñèðîâàòü ðàçíûå íàñòðîéêè äëÿ êàæäîé ïåñíè(â 32 áàíêà ïî 4 òèïî ñîìáè-òåìáðîâ), çíà÷èò â êîðãå X-50 àíàëîãè÷íîå óäîáñòâî ôèêñèðóåööî â 128 áàíêîâ ïî 16 ñîìáè-òåìáðîâ! - òîëüêî ýòè 16 òåìáðû ïåðåêëþ÷àþòñÿ â 16 ìèäè-êàíàëàõ. | |
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Òåìà: Re: KORG X50 íóæåí ñîâåò
Âðåìÿ: 29.10.2007 11:46 |
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rollland, íå ïèøèòå ôèãíè, ïîæàëóéñòà è íå ñáèâàéòå ñ òîëêó ÷åëîâåêà ... JNL, ñêà÷àéòå ðóññêèé ìàíóàë íà www.korgmusic.ru è ïî÷èòàéòå ïðî 10's Hold è Combi... |
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Òåìà: Re: KORG X50 íóæåí ñîâåò
Âðåìÿ: 29.10.2007 12:18 |
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metro Kurzweil, Yamaha
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- çíà÷èò â 128 áàíêîâ ïî 16 "ÍÅ ñîìáè" òåìáðîâ. çàáûë ÷òî â äåøåâûõ êîðãàõ íà ìóëòè ðåæèì - òîëüêî ïðåñåòû,(èëè êîìáè(4)- çàíèìàåò 4 ìóòè-êàíàëà). À ïðèíöèï 32-óõ áàíêîâ â ïñð-êå 520 - ìàëî êòî çíàåò!(äàæå Rostyk èìõî). - àâòàð ïèøèò/ñïðàøèâàåò èìåííî ïðî òàêîé "îòäåëüíûé áàíê" äëÿ îäíîãî ñîíãà! |
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Òåìà: Re: KORG X50 íóæåí ñîâåò
Âðåìÿ: 29.10.2007 12:50 |
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>>çàáûë ÷òî â äåøåâûõ êîðãàõ íà ìóëòè ðåæèì - òîëüêî >>ïðåñåòû,(èëè êîìáè(4)- çàíèìàåò 4 ìóòè-êàíàëà). rollland, ïðèçûâàþ - óéìèòåñü.... Åñëè íå â òåìå, òî ëó÷øå èëè ïî÷èòàòü äîêè/ïîïðîáîâàòü â ðåàëå ïðèáîð, èëè ïðîìîë÷àòü, à íå ðàçâîäèòü òåõíè÷åñêèå ôàíòàçèè...  äåø¸âûõ êîðãàõ, êàê è â äîðîãèõ, Combi ìîæåò ñîñòîÿòü èç âîñüìè Programs (åäèíè÷íûõ ïàò÷åé). 4 - ýòî â ìîòèôàõ... Ìóëüòèðåæèì èñïîëüçóåòñÿ ïðè ðàáîòå ñ âíóòðåííèì/âíåøíèì ñåêâåíñîðîì è/èëè êëàâèàòóðîé/ñèíòîì/êîíòðîëëåðîì. >>À ïðèíöèï 32-óõ áàíêîâ â ïñð-êå 520 - ìàëî êòî çíàåò!(äàæå >>Rostyk èìõî). Çíàþ... (ß âîîáùå íà÷èíàë ñ PSR-6, åñëè çíàåòå....) >> - àâòàð ïèøèò/ñïðàøèâàåò èìåííî ïðî òàêîé >>"îòäåëüíûé áàíê" äëÿ îäíîãî ñîíãà! Àâòîð ñïðàøèâàåò êàê áûñòðî ïåðåêëþ÷àòü Program/Combi è ÿ îòâå÷àþ, ÷òî äëÿ ýòîãî åñòü ôóíêöèÿ 10's Hold, êîòîðàÿ ïîçâîëÿåò ïåðåêëþ÷àòüñÿ â ïðåäåëàõ îäíîãî äåñÿòêà ïàò÷åé îäíèì íàæàòèåì öèôðîâîé êíîïêè, à ìåíÿòü äåñÿòêè ìîæíî êíîïêàìè Inc è Dec. Ðàñòåêàööî ìûñëèþ ïî äðåâó ìîæíî äîëãî ñåáå â êàéô, íî ïîëüçû îò ýòîãî äðóãèì êðàéíå ìàëî.... Áåç îáèä... |
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Òåìà: Re: KORG X50 íóæåí ñîâåò
Âðåìÿ: 29.10.2007 12:52 |
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To JNL: Âñå î÷åíü ïðîñòî, òû ìîæåøü ñàì çàãíàòü â ëþáîé áàíê èìåííî òîò ïîðÿäîê çâóêîâ êàêîé õî÷åøü... | |
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Òåìà: Re: KORG X50 íóæåí ñîâåò
Âðåìÿ: 29.10.2007 13:13 |
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metro Kurzweil, Yamaha
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2 Rostyk >Íó ïî÷åìó íå äåëàþò çàïèñü çâóêîâûõ íàñòðîåê â îòäåëüíûé áàíê ñ âûçîâîì ïî îäíîé êíîïêå êàê â ìîåé ñòàðîé ñàìîèãðàéêå psr-520??? - âîò î ÷åì áûë êîìåíò(àíàëîãè÷íîå ñðàâíåíèå psr520 è x50)! >Åñëè íå â òåìå, òî ëó÷å ïîïðîáîâàòü â ðåàëå ïðèáîð à âû ìîòèô ðýê â ðåàëå ïðîáîâàëè? êàê-òî ìíå ïîëüçû ìàëî îò ðàçíîé èíôîðìàöèè â çàçíûõ ñàéòàõ. - ïîêà íåâåðþ ÷òî òàì 128 ïåðôîìàíñîâ(åù¸ íåïðîâåðèë â æèâóþ). à çà èíôî "combi" êîðãà ñïàñèáî. |
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Òåìà: Re: KORG X50 íóæåí ñîâåò
Âðåìÿ: 29.10.2007 13:27 |
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2 Rostyk >> >Íó ïî÷åìó íå äåëàþò çàïèñü çâóêîâûõ íàñòðîåê â îòäåëüíûé áàíê ñ âûçîâîì ïî îäíîé êíîïêå êàê â ìîåé ñòàðîé ñàìîèãðàéêå psr-520??? À 10's Hold íå åñòü òî æå ñàìîå ????????? >> - âîò î ÷åì áûë êîìåíò(àíàëîãè÷íîå ñðàâíåíèå psr520 è x50)! Åñëè íóæíî ïèñåö êàê àíàëîãè÷íî, òî íàäî êóïèòü 520.  èäåàëå ïîëó÷èööî äàæå èäåíòè÷íî.... Åñëè ýòî íå òðó, òî åñòü êó÷à ìèäè êîíòðîëëåðîâ - ðó÷íûõ, íîæíûõ, êîòîðûå ðåøàò ïîñòàâëåíóþ çàäà÷ó.... >> >Åñëè íå â òåìå, òî ëó÷å ïîïðîáîâàòü â ðåàëå ïðèáîð >> à âû ìîòèô ðýê â ðåàëå ïðîáîâàëè? Äà, ïðîáîâàë. Íå ES, îáû÷íûé.... >> êàê-òî ìíå ïîëüçû ìàëî îò ðàçíîé èíôîðìàöèè â çàçíûõ ñàéòàõ. Ýòî ê àäìèíèñòðàöèè ñàéòîâ... >>- ïîêà íåâåðþ ÷òî òàì 128 ïåðôîìàíñîâ(åù¸ íåïðîâåðèë â æèâóþ). Âàøå ïðàâî.... >>à çà èíôî "combi" êîðãà ñïàñèáî. Âñåãäà ðàä ïîìî÷ü...
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Òåìà: Re: KORG X50 íóæåí ñîâåò
Âðåìÿ: 29.10.2007 13:47 |
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Motif Rack: Multi Library There are 124 preset multis in the Multi Library divided into two banks. In one bank, Parts of the Multis have the same Receive channel and can be played by layered voices from a connected keyboard. In the other bank, each Part has been set for optimum use as a multi-part, ensemble performance. When you want to create a new Multi, just select a Multi from the Multi Library and customize it as needed. ......................................... ... • Perf (Performance) bank The Multis in this bank are convenient for playing layered voices with a connected keyboard, since all Parts of the Multi (up to four) are assigned the same receive channel. • Multi bank Multis in this bank are designed for use with an external sequencer in playing back song data. The Parts of the Multi in this bank are assigned to different MIDI Receive Channels. ....................................... ...... Multi Multi User: 128 ----------------------------- Multi Library Performance: 59 Multi: 65 http://www2.yamaha.co.jp/manual/pdf/emi/english/synth/MOTIFRACKE1.pdf Motif ES Rack: Playing layered sounds – Performance Mode • The MOTIF-RACK ES features 128 different Performances, which lets you use four different Voices together – in layers or in a keyboard split. .......................................... ................... Each Performance can contain up to four different Parts. You can create a Performance by layering several Voices together, and by assigning different Voices to separate ranges of the keyboard. ....................................... ....................... Multi mode The Multi Mode lets you set up the MOTIF-RACK ES as a multi-timbral tone generator for use with computer-based music software or external sequencers. If each track in a song file uses a different MIDI channel, you can independently assign each of the Parts in a Multi to those MIDI channels. In this way, you can play back the song data on a sequencer with each track playing a different Voice. You can create a Multi containing up to 16 Parts using the internal tone generator. When installing the Plug-in Boards, you can also create a Multi containing up to 33 Parts (page 57). Since there is only one bank for Multi, you need not select a Multi Bank. ........................................... .............. Performance User: 128 Performances Multi User: 128 Multis http://www2.yamaha.co.jp/manual/pdf/emi/english/synth/motifrackes_en_om_b0.pdf |
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Òåìà: Re: KORG X50 íóæåí ñîâåò
Âðåìÿ: 29.10.2007 14:12 |
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metro Kurzweil, Yamaha
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ñïàñèáî çà ìàíóàëû, ïðî÷èòàë - óáåäèëñÿ! êîíå÷íî åñëè â ðàííåì TG-500 ïåðôîìàíñû - â ìóëòè, òàê ìîòèôå òåì áîëåå îíè åñòü! | |
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Òåìà: Re: KORG X50 íóæåí ñîâåò
Âðåìÿ: 29.10.2007 14:34 |
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àáñîëþòíî ãëóïûé ñïîð âûøåë! íàäåþñü àâòîð òîïèêà ðàçîáðàëñÿ â ýòîì òðóäíåéøåì âîïðîñå
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Òåìà: Re: KORG X50 íóæåí ñîâåò
Âðåìÿ: 30.10.2007 01:50 |
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ÑÏá Korg X50
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àâòîð Î×ÅÍÜ íàäååòñÿ ðàçîáðàòüñÿ Áîëüøîå ñïàñèáî âñåì, îñîáåííî Rostyk çà òîëêîâûå è ïîíÿòíûå ñîâåòû, ìàíóàë ñêà÷àë. 2 Rostyk: ò.å. êàê ÿ ïîíÿë ïóòü òàêîé - íóæíî áóäåò âñå-òàêè ïåðåòàñîâàòü áàíêè, íóæíûå çàâîäñêèå êîìáè íàïðèìåð çàïèñàòü â áàíêè À è B à áàíê Ñ èñïîëüçîâàòü äëÿ ñâîèõ íàñòðîåê è ïåðåêëþ÷àòü èõ ïî 10s hold êíîïêàìè/ïåäàëÿìè òàê? Æàëü ÷òî êîðãîâöû ïîæàäíè÷àëè - îòäåëüíûé áàíê ïîä þçåðñêèå êîìáè óáðàë áû ïðîáëåìó ñ ïåðåòàñîâêîé. |
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Òåìà: Re: KORG X50 íóæåí ñîâåò
Âðåìÿ: 30.10.2007 01:58 |
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>>ò.å. êàê ÿ ïîíÿë ïóòü òàêîé - íóæíî áóäåò âñå-òàêè ïåðåòàñîâàòü áàíêè, íóæíûå çàâîäñêèå êîìáè íàïðèìåð çàïèñàòü â áàíêè À è B à áàíê Ñ èñïîëüçîâàòü äëÿ ñâîèõ íàñòðîåê è ïåðåêëþ÷àòü èõ ïî 10s hold êíîïêàìè/ïåäàëÿìè òàê? Äà, òîëüêî ïåäàëüþ ìîæíî ïåðåêëþ÷àòü ïàò÷è ïîñëåäîâàòåëüíî, à íå â ïðîèçâîëüíîì ïîðÿäêå. Èìååòñÿ ââèäó îáû÷íàÿ ïåäàëü, à íå ïðîäâèíóòûé êîíòðîëëåð... |
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