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Êòî ïðîáîâàë ñîåäèíÿòü ïî MIDI Ðàáî÷óþ ñòàíöèþ è ãèòàðíûé ïðîöåññîð? Ýòî æ ñêîëüêî äîïîëíèòåëüíûõ âîçìîæíîñòåé îòêðûâàåòñÿ! Íà÷èíàÿ îò àâòîìàòè÷åñêîãî ïåðåêëþ÷åíèÿ ýôôåêòîâ, ðåãóëèðîâàíèÿ ãðîìêîñòè (íàïðèìåð, íà ñîëÿãàõ) - çàêàí÷èâàÿ ïðîèãðûâàíèåì ãèòàðíûõ ïàðòèé êëàâèøíûìè òåìáðàìè! Ó êîãî åñòü îïûò? ß çàãîðåëñÿ æåëàíèåì ïîïðîáîâàòü! 
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Òåìà: Re: Workstation < MIDI > Guitar Processor
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ß îá ýòîì ïîäóìûâàë. (óäîáíî åñëè èãðàåøü ïîä ñåêâåíñîð, íå íàäî îòïëÿñûâàòü ïî êíîïêàì íà ïåäàëè:) ïðàâäà ìîÿ ãðóïïà åùå íå äîøëà ïîêà äî ñåêâåíñîðà ). íàïðèìåð ìîé ïðåàìï ïî ìèäè ïðèíèìàåò èñêëþ÷èòåëüíî ðåøåíèå î ïåðåêëþ÷åíèè ïðåñåòà.  ïðîöåññîðå, íàâåðíÿêà, ðåãóëèðîâêà ïàðàìåòðîâ ïî ìèäè âîçìîæíà... À èãðàòü êëàâèøíûìè òåìáðàìè ìîæíî, òîëüêî åñëè ó òåáÿ ìèäè-ãèòàðà. |
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"À èãðàòü êëàâèøíûìè òåìáðàìè ìîæíî, òîëüêî åñëè ó òåáÿ ìèäè-ãèòàðà." Íå ñîãëàñåí...ïðîöåññîð BOSS GT-6...òàì äàæå åñòü êàêîå-òî ïîäîáèå àðïåäæèàòîðà...óáîãîå, íî åñòü - çíà÷èò îí ðàñïîçíàåò, ÷òî èãðàåòñÿ â ýòîò ìîìåíò. Ñêîðî áóäåò Line6 POD XT Live - ÿ äóìàþ îí â ýòîì ïëàíå íå óñòóïàåò... Ìû óæå ãîäà 4 êàê èãðàåì ïîä ñåêâåíñîð, ó ìåíÿ äàâíî óæå ýôôåêòû ñàìè ïåðåêëþ÷àþòñÿ  à ãèòàðèñò âñå ìó÷àåòñÿ
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ó ãèòàðû äîëæåí áûòü ìèäè-äàò÷èê èíà÷å ïðîöåññîð íèêàê íå âîñïðèìåò òî, ÷òî èãðàåòñÿ | |
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2Ñêàé Äóìàþ, ÷òî ïîäîáèå àðïåäæèàòîðà ýòî ÷òî-òî âðîäå èíòåëëåêòóàëüíîãî ïèò÷øèôòåðà.... èáî ìèäè - ýòî ñîîáùåíèå î íîòå à íå ñàìà íîòà, ïîëó÷àåòñÿ â ýòîì ïðîöåññîðå åñòü êîíâåðòåð çâóê-ìèäè(ýòî êðóòî, íî ÿ â ýòîì ñèëüíî ñîìíåâàþñü) ÇÛ. À ÷òî ó òåáÿ çà ãðóïïà? Åñòü ññûëêè ïîñëóøàòü? èíòåðåñíî... 
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ïî ïîâîäó èíòåëëåêòóàëüíîãî ïèò÷ øèôòåðà ÿ òîæå äóìàë..íî ýòà çàðàçà õèòðàÿ åñëè âçÿòü è ïîäòÿíóòü ñòðóíó ìåíåå ÷åì íà ÷åòâåðòü òîíà - åé ïî-áàðàáàíó....ïî[îæå îíà îêðóãëÿåò äî áëèæàéøåé ÷èñòîé íîòû! à â òàêîì ñëó÷àå ïî÷åìó îíà íå ìîæåò ýòó íîòó òðàíñëèðîâàòü ïî ìèäè? Õì... Íàäî çàïîñòèòü ýòó òåìó íà ôîðóìå ãèòàðèñòîâ  îáùåì ïðîáîâàòü íàäî... íî ðóëåæêà ýôôåêòîâ ñ ñåêâåíñîðà - ýòî óæå òî èç çà ÷åãî ìîæíî çàìîðà÷èâàòüñÿ... 2Dreamer: theaeriumband.com |
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äàæå åñëè ýòà ôèøêà ðàñïîçíàåò íîòó, òåîðèòè÷åñêè îíà ìîæåò ïîñëàòü ñîîòâåòñòâóþùèé äàííîé ÷àñòîòå(ýòîé íîòû) ìèäè ñèãíàë, íî äëÿ òîãî ÷òîáû îïðåäåëèòü íóæíî âðåìÿ, íàïðìåð òþíåð æå íå ìîìåíòàëüíî îïðåäåëÿåò íîòó, îòñþäà, äàæå ïðè ìåäëåííîé èãðå áóäåò íåâûíîñèìàÿ çàäåðæêà è îòñóòñòâèå ñèíõðîíèçàöèè... (( Òû èìåë ââèäó 2Van ñåé÷àñ ïîñìîòðèì...))
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Äà, êîíå÷íî, ýòî àäðåñîâàëàñü òåáå, Van, ñïàñèá çà îòçûââû íî ýòî êñòàòè óæå óñòàðåâøèé ìàòåðèàë íî ÿ íå îá ýòîì...äà, òþíåð îïðåäåëÿåò ÷åñòîòó ñèãíàëà ñ ñåðüåçíîé çàäåðæêîé, íî çàòî ñ êàêîé òî÷íîñòüþ îí åå ðàñïîçíàåò à åñëè íàäî ñ òî÷íîñòüþ äî íîòû? Ñîìíåâàþñü êîíå÷íî, ÷òî åñòü òàêèå ïðîöåññîðû...íàðîä íå ñèëüíî íà ãèòàðíîì ôîðóìå âûñêàçûâàåòñÿ ïî ýòîìó ïîâîäó Íî ìèäèøíûé êàáåëü ÿ óæå èùó...%) |
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Òàêèõ ïðîöåññîðîâ íåò(õîòÿ ÿ ìîæåò îòñòàë îò æèçíè) Çíàþ òî÷íî, ÷òî åñòü ìèäè ïðîöåññîðû äëÿ ãèòàð ñ ìèäèäàò÷èêîì - ýòî àíàëîãèÿ çâóêîâîãî ìîäóëÿ, òîëüêî âìåñòî êëàâû - ãèòàðà. )) Ïî òåëåêó êàê òî ïîêàçûâàëè - òàì Äèáðîâ èãðàë íà ìèäèãèòàðå ÷åðåç òàêóþ õðåíü ðàçíûìè òåìáðàìè )) Ñåé÷àñ âðîäå åñòü ìîäåëè ãèòàð ñ óñòàíîâëåííûìè, ïîìèìî îáû÷íûõ çâóêîñíèìàòåëåé, ìèäè-äàò÷èêàìè. - âîò ýòî óæå óäîáíî... |
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íà ñêîëüêî ÿ çíàþ òåõíîëîãèè ïîêà åù¸ íå äîðîñëè äî òîãî, ÷òî áû çâóê ñðàçó â íîòû ïåðåâîäèòü, îäíî äåëî ïðîñòî îäíó îòäåëüíóþ íîòó ðàñïîçíàòü (êàê ýòî äåëàåò òþíåð), íî ñîâñåì äðóãîå äåëî íàñûùåííóþ èãðó êîãäà ó òåáÿ òàì è àêêîðäû, è èíòåðâàëû, è ïðîñòî íîòû îòäåëüíûå, âñÿêèå ôèøêè ãèòàðíûå, äà åù¸ ïîðîé ýòî íà áîëüøîé ñêîðîñòè, ýòî íåðåàëüíî èìåííî ïîýòîìó íå ñóùåñòâóåò ïðîãðàìì ïåðåâîäÿùèõ wav â midi, òî÷íåå îíè êîíå÷íî ñóùåñòâóþò, íî ðåçóëüòàòîì èõ ðàáîòû ïîëó÷àåòñÿ ïîëíàÿ ôèãíÿ |
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Îêåé, óáåäèëè Íî òîãäà ñàì ñîáîé íàïðàøèâàþùèéñÿ âîïðîñ: çà÷åì íóæåí ìèäè âûõîä íà ïðîöåññîðå!? 1) äëÿ òîãî ÷òîáû â ïðîöåññîð âîòêíóòü ìèäè ãèòàðó - è áûëà âîçìîæíîñòü åå ñîáûòèÿ òðàíñëèðîâàòü äàëåå ïî òðàêòó? 2) äëÿ òîãî, ÷òîáû èñïîëüçîâàòü ïðîöåññîð, êàê ôóò-êîíòðîëëåð? %) |
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Òåìà: Re: Workstation < MIDI > Guitar Processor
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(Ìûñëè â "ñëóõ") Ïðîöåññîð è ñòàíöèÿ, íàâåðíîå, âñå æå ïðè ïîäêëþ÷åíèè ïî ìèäè áóäóò ãîòîâû ïîëó÷àòü è ñîîòâåòñòâåííî âûäàâàòü êîäû óïðàâëåíèÿ. Íî, âîò òîëüêî áóäóò ëè îíè çíàòü î ñóùåñòâîâàíèè äðóã äðóãà. ×òî, ðàçâå ïðè ïîäêëþ÷åíèè ê ñòàíöèè ïðîöåññîðà, ó ñåêâåíñîðà ïîÿâèòñÿ âîçìîæíîñòü âûáèðàòü òåìáðû ïðîöåññîðà, ò.å. êàê ïî USB ê êîìïó. Õîï, è âîò âàì äîïîëíèòåëüíûé ðåñóðñ? Òóò âñå æ òðåáóåòñÿ îïðåäåëåíèå îáîðóäîâàíèÿ è åãî íàáîðîâ. Íàâåðíîå, âîçìîæíà ðåàëèçàöèÿ çàäà÷è, íî òîëüêî ñ âíåøíèì ñåêâåíñîðîì. À èíà÷å òîãäà 3) Çà÷åì "äûðêà" THUE. |
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Ñàìàðàú Ñèíòåçàòîðû 
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À òðèòîíîì ìîæíî ïåðåêëþ÷àòü ïðåñåòû â ãèòàðíîì ïðîöå è ÍÅ ÏÎËÜÇÓßÑÜ ñåêâåíñåðîì. Èñïîëüçóéòå RPPR (Realtime Pattern Play and Record) Ìèäè-êîìàíäà Ctrl Change çàïèñûâàåòñÿ â ïóñòîé ïàòòåðí (êàê ðàç äëÿ ýòîãî è ïðèãîäèòñÿ midi-out íà ïðîöåññîðå=)) à ïîòîì âîñïðîèçâîäèòñÿ íàæàòèåì êëàâèøè, íà êîòîðóþ ýòîò ïàòòåðí íàçíà÷åí. Óñïåõîâ!
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Äà, êîíå÷íî program change, èçâèíÿþñü, âïîïûõàõ âûëåòåëî
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Êñòàòè, îäíà èç ìîèõ ëþáèìûõ îïèñîê òîæå ...
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Èíòåðåñíî, â Fantom-îâêîì ñåêâåíñîðå òîæå åñòü ôóíêöèÿ Program Change. Ïî êàæäîìó êàíàëó, ïîçâîëÿåò îïðåäåëèòü âîçìîæíîñòü ïðèåìà ìèäè ñîîáùåíèé. (On-Off). PS ... Î ñêîëüêî íàì îòêðûòèé ÷óäíûõ ãîòîâèò ïðîñâåùåíüÿ äóõ... |
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... è ïåðåäà÷è. Î÷. èíòåðåñíàÿ òåìà! Äîêîïàòüñÿ áû äî ñóòè.
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Âïðèíöèïå, íè÷åãî çàóìíîãî, âñ¸ ïðîñòî. Êàê ñ ìàãíèòîôîíà íà ìàãíèòîôîí ïåðåïèñÀòü...
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Óãó...òàê ñåáå âñå ýòî è ïðåäñòàâëÿë.  ðåæèìå ñåêâåíñîðà - 1 äîðîæêó íàñòðàèâàþ íà âíåøíåå MIDI óñòðîéñòâî (EXT) - Âðóáàþ çàïèñü - â íóæíûé ìîìåíò âðåìåíè ãèòàðèñò ïåðåêëþ÷àåò ýôôåêò - Program Change çàïèñàí. Òåïåðü ïðè âîñïðîèçâåäåíèè îí áóäåò ïåðåêëþ÷àòüñÿ ñàì %) Ïîëèñòàë ìàíóàëû - âñå ðåàëüíî - "íè÷÷åãî íåõîðîøåãî ïðî çàéöåâ" (ñ) Áî Áóääåì ïðîáîâàòü... |
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O.k. Íà Fantom-å, ïåðâóþ äîðîæêó ïðåäïî÷èòàþ íå çàíèìàòü íè÷åì, êðîìå êëàâèøíûõ ïàðòèé. |
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Ó ìåíÿ íà ïðåàìïå ìèäè-èí ìèäè-îóò è ìèäè-òõðó. Òî åñòü ïîëó÷àåòñÿ ÿ ïîäêëþ÷àþ ó ñåáÿ âñå êàê îáû÷íî: èç ôóòêîíòðîëëåðà ìèäèïðîâäî â ìèäè-èí ïðåàìïà, à èç ìèäè-îóòà ïðåàìïà ê òåáå â ðàáî÷óþ ñòàíöèþ, â ìèäè-èí, òû çàïèñûâàåøü â íóæíîå âåðìÿ ôàêò ïåðåêëþ÷åíèÿ ïðîãðàììû, à ïîòîì íà êîíöåðòå ÿ âîîáùå âêëþ÷àþ ïåäàëü à â ìèäè-èí ïðåàìïà èäåò ïðîâîä èç ìèäè-îóòà âîðêñòåéøíà. Òàê? èëè âñå-òàêè ïåäàëü âêëþ÷àåòñÿ, à èç ñèíòà ïðîâîä â ìèäè-òõðó? èáî êàê òîãäà, åñëè ãäå-íèòü çàõî÷åòñÿ ñèìïðîâèçèðîâàòü íà äðóãîì çâóêå? |
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Live sound: FOH/MONITORS/PRODUCTION
ìóëüòèòðýêîâàÿ çàïèñü êîíöåðòîâ (24 êàíàëà) êîíòàêòû â ïðîôàéëå |
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Òåìà: Re: Workstation < MIDI > Guitar Processor
Âðåìÿ: 09.02.2007 11:57 |
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Ñàìàðàú Ñèíòåçàòîðû
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Òîãäà Âàì íàäî êîðîáêó ñ äâóìÿ ìèäè-âõîäàìè è îäíèì ìèäè-âûõîäîì, çàáûë, êàê ýòî ïî-àíãëèöêè, ñìåñèòåëü ìèäè-ñèãíàëîâ â îáùåì.
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Òåìà: Re: Workstation < MIDI > Guitar Processor
Âðåìÿ: 09.02.2007 12:04 |
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Ñàìàðàú Ñèíòåçàòîðû
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...ñóùåñòâóþò êîìïüþòåðíûå ìèäè-èíòåðôåéñû, êîòîðûå ìîãóò ðàáîòàòü è áåç êîìïà (àâòîíîìíî) è â íèõ ýòà ôèøêà ðåàëèçîâàíà. |
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