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Òåìà: Re: Âñåì êóðöåâîäàì-FAQ ïî Kurzweil'àì îò ê2000 äî ê2661
Âðåìÿ: 13.12.2007 17:41 |
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>×åì îí îòäåëüíûé òî? Äàæå íå òàê. Êàêèì áîêîì VAST âîîáùå - "òèï ñèíòåçà"? |
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Òåìà: Re: Âñåì êóðöåâîäàì-FAQ ïî Kurzweil'àì îò ê2000 äî ê2661
Âðåìÿ: 13.12.2007 23:55 |
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The thing is "analog synthesis" is a shorthand often found, but which mixes two things: 1. Types of synthesis, and 2. The Domain of Implementation of the Synthesis architecture. This is why I suggested that it is more correct to speak of 'Subtractive' or 'Additive' as Types of Synthesis and it is more precise to say that the synthesis type is implemented in analog devices or digitally. This is why I say that the Kurzweil synths are wholly digital (at the synthesis architecture level). The 'common reading' is ambiguous, so why don't we give a better and more complete picture of the capabilities of the Kurzweil V.A.S.T. engine instead of relying on imprecise terms especially for a potential buyer who will spend his hard-earned cash? http://osdir.com/ml/music.equipment.kurzweil/2003-05/msg00192.html |
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Òåìà: Re: Âñåì êóðöåâîäàì-FAQ ïî Kurzweil'àì îò ê2000 äî ê2661
Âðåìÿ: 14.12.2007 00:03 |
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Ðîñòîâ-íà-Äîíó Kurz PC3, Supernova2 Pro, Motif-Rask ES, WBlo SL
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The old Moog Modulars and Serge and other _huge_ patchable (with cables) synths can also do more than the usual OSC->LOWPASS->AMP configuration which is the mainstay of what is generally termed 'subtractive' synthesis in the analog domain. However, and this is *crucial* to grasping the real nature of the Kurz synths, these old beasts are humongous, are expensive, and are mostly *Mono*, if I'm correct. That is why I said that, to me, the Kurz is like these old modular beasts in that some of the patched configurations (that's where the term 'patch' for synths sounds comes from) can be rebuilt within the Kurz, but beyond this, not only the old patches can be re-created within the digital domain, but it can also be used together with the new algorithms and DSP functions made possible only with the Kurz architecture. On top of that, you can have all these different types of syntheses (subtractive, additive, simple FM, AM, ...) _simultaneously_ and _polyphonically_. Therefore, when you are using the Kurz's 16 channels simultaneously, it can be: 1. As if you are using 16 different Modulars (or modulars patched differently) simultaneously (but each of these you can even use _polyphonically_!) 2. As if you are using 16 different new synthesis configurations that cannot be even made with the Modular or other synths (except perhaps to some extent, the Reaktors and SynthEdits of this world, and their counterparts in Mac and Linux domains)! 3. As if you are using a mixture of Modulars and newer configurations unavailable in the old machines (or in the traditional subtractive synthesis) Moreover, as hinted, even one average program can be the equivalent of three of these old Modulars! And on K2000, you could, if you wished build a lead with 24 different layers, each with its own different synthesis architecture! For K2500, K2600, K2661, you can use 32 simultanous layers in a single program! You can globally use 48 layers simultaneously in the latter synths! That is also why I said it is important to know the historical context of a synth to better understand what it's about. > The distinction between true analog and virtual analog is an > important one. It is not trivial. > Reza was interested in purchasing a Kurzweil. Perhaps Reza should have > thought about getting a real analog synth instead of a Kurzweil? > Why didn't you elaborate? I didn't elaborate because I didn't have the time, and the little time I had was taken up explaining that's there's a need to be more precise in what you say about the Kurz to better convey all of its possibilities as your expression of what you say you meant to say was misleading, and as you kept saying over and over again that I was 'sidetracking', 'not being helpful (or 'attacking you') or being overly 'analytical' or ?attacking? you or 'childish' or 'silly' or 'irrational', or whatever. You name it, it seems all personal adjectives could be found in your posts. Besides, I'm not the one focusing on purely analog and virtual analog, you are (Reza didn?t ask for analog v/s v.a. ? he asked for synth sounds). Focusing on purely this means that you don't take into account that there's more than 'virtual analog' to the Kurz. It's a wholly digital synth (the heart of the synthesis architecture is implemented in the digital DSP hardware and software domain) of which part of the synthesis architecture enables you to re-create subtractive and other types of synthesis found in real analog synths.i.e. a part of V.A.S.T. can be said to be equivalent to v. a. But there's more as I've argued. To me, it would be especially bad if I were to give a potential buyer the wrong impression about a synth and he goes on and buys it only to find out that what he has does not correspond to what he was told. I have now elaborated on the details of what I meant. And there's more below. > Over and over you've highlighted the difference between true and virtual > analog, but you didn't go on to develop what the immediate/practical > implications might have been for Reza's question. As far as I can remember, I never made expressed my viewpoints in this thread in terms of 'true' analog' and 'virtual' analog, you did. While I do believe that part of the V.A.S.T. architecture was planned to digitally recreate some of the synthesis architecture (found in analog synths) for subtractive (and other) methods of synthesis, there's more to V.A.S.T. than that. It's not even marketed as a virtual analog. It's more than that: it's synthesis technology architecture is _variable_. |
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Òåìà: Re: Âñåì êóðöåâîäàì-FAQ ïî Kurzweil'àì îò ê2000 äî ê2661
Âðåìÿ: 14.12.2007 10:40 |
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+++Äàæå íå òàê. Êàêèì áîêîì VAST âîîáùå - "òèï ñèíòåçà"? Ïðî÷èòàé ðàñøèôðîâêó àááðåâèàòóðû VAST , ìîæåò ïîéìåøü 
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Òåìà: Re: Âñåì êóðöåâîäàì-FAQ ïî Kurzweil'àì îò ê2000 äî ê2661
Âðåìÿ: 14.12.2007 10:44 |
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À MOSS - òîæå òèï ñèíòåçà7 | |
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Òåìà: Re: Âñåì êóðöåâîäàì-FAQ ïî Kurzweil'àì îò ê2000 äî ê2661
Âðåìÿ: 14.12.2007 10:45 |
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Èìåþ áîëåå ïðèçåìë¸ííûé âîïðîñ Âîò åñëè â Cakewalk çàãðóçèòü .ins ôàéë Ê2500, òî èìååòñÿ áàíê ¹7 Piano Rom, â êîòîðîì âèäíû 30 ïåîíèí ñ 770 ïî 799. À â êóðöå íåïîñðåäñòâåííî, çàãðóçèâ êàê ïîëîæåíî objekt pianorom(OBJKP403.K25) âèæó è ñëûøó ñ 770 ïî 787. Ãäå åù¸ 12, à? |
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Òåìà: Re: Âñåì êóðöåâîäàì-FAQ ïî Kurzweil'àì îò ê2000 äî ê2661
Âðåìÿ: 14.12.2007 10:47 |
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Òåìà: Re: Âñåì êóðöåâîäàì-FAQ ïî Kurzweil'àì îò ê2000 äî ê2661
Âðåìÿ: 14.12.2007 10:54 |
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Òåìà: Re: Âñåì êóðöåâîäàì-FAQ ïî Kurzweil'àì îò ê2000 äî ê2661
Âðåìÿ: 14.12.2007 13:43 |
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>Ïðî÷èòàé ðàñøèôðîâêó àááðåâèàòóðû VAST , ìîæåò ïîéìåøü Ïðî÷èòàë.  íåé êàê ðàç íè÷åãî ïðî òèï ñèíòåçà íåòó. Òàì ãîâîðèòñÿ ïðî èçìåíÿåìóþ àðõèòåêòóðó ñèíòåçà. Èëè ïî-âàøåìó, íàïðèìåð, ó ìèíèìóãà è ïðîôåòà ðàçíûå òèïû ñèíòåçà ïîòîìó ÷òî ó îäíîãî äâà îñöèëëÿòîðà, à ó äðóãîãî - òðè? |
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Òåìà: Re: Âñåì êóðöåâîäàì-FAQ ïî Kurzweil'àì îò ê2000 äî ê2661
Âðåìÿ: 14.12.2007 17:04 |
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Äåéñòâèòåëüíî, íåçà÷åì ÈÌÕÎ ïëîäèòü òèïû ñèíòåçà... Ïðèíöèïèàëüíî ðàçíûõ ñîâñåì íåìíîãî, ìíîãèå ÿâëÿþòñÿ êîìáèíèðîâàííûìè è îòëè÷àþòñÿ ñêîðåå êîëè÷åñòâåííî ÷åì êà÷åñòâåííî. À òî ÷òî ïðîèçâîäèòåëè êàæäûé ðàç ïîäîáíûå ïî ñóòè âåùè íàçûâàþò íîâûìè çâó÷íûìè íàçâàíèÿìè - ýòî âî ìíîãîì ìàðêåòèíã. Áîëüøèíñòâî ñîâðåìåííûõ ñòàíöèé è êîíöåðòíûõ ñèíòîâ, è ñåìïëåðîâ â îñíîâå ñâîåé ÷òî-òî âðîäå ãèáðèäà ìóãà è ìåëëîòðîíà, òîëüêî â öèôðå Íó, à åñëè ñ ñåêâåíñåðîì - åù¸ è ìóçûêàëüíàÿ øêàòóëêà, òóäà æå 
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Òåìà: Re: Âñåì êóðöåâîäàì-FAQ ïî Kurzweil'àì îò ê2000 äî ê2661
Âðåìÿ: 15.12.2007 03:23 |
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Ðîñòîâ-íà-Äîíó Kurz PC3, Supernova2 Pro, Motif-Rask ES, WBlo SL
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>Áîëüøèíñòâî ñîâðåìåííûõ ñòàíöèé è êîíöåðòíûõ ñèíòîâ, è ñåìïëåðîâ â îñíîâå ñâîåé ÷òî-òî âðîäå ãèáðèäà ìóãà è ìåëëîòðîíà, òîëüêî â öèôðå> Íóóó!.. Îñòàåòñÿ òîëüêî ñïðñèòü - à ÷òî çà òèïû ñèíòåçà ó Ìóãà è Ìåëîòðîíà?  Âîîáùå-òî ÿ óæå äàë äâå äëèííûå öèòàòû (ê ñîæàëåíèþ - íà àíãëèöêîì, èáî ÖÈÒÀÒÛ), äîñòàòî÷íî èñ÷åðïûâàþùå îòâå÷àþùèå íà ïîñòàâëåííûå âîïðîñû.  Ïîïûòàéòåñü ïðîñòî ïåðåâåñòè ñî ñëîâàðåì ïîñëåäíèé àáçàö öèòàòû (êîòîðûé íà ñàìîì äåëå, îáúÿñíÿÿ âñå, âñå åùå áîëüøå çàïóòûâàåò, èáî õîðîøî îáúÿñíÿåò àðõèòåêòóðó, íî òàê è íå äàåò îäíîçíà÷íîãî îòâåòà, èáî âñÿ àðõèòåêòóðà îñíîâàíà íà ñåìïëàõ õîðîøåãî êà÷åñòâà - è âñå: íèêàêîãî ÑÈÍÒÅÇÀ òàì ïðîñòî íåò, åñëè íå ïðèíèìàòü â ðàñ÷åò èçîùðåííîå "dspèðîâàíèå" ñåìïëîâ - ñåìïëååð îí è åñòü ñåìïëååð, áóäü òàì õîòü 200 ëàéåðîâ dsp)  While I do believe that part of the V.A.S.T. architecture was planned to digitally recreate some of the synthesis architecture (found in analog synths) for subtractive (and other) methods of synthesis, there's more to V.A.S.T. than that. It's not even marketed as a virtual analog. It's more than that: it's synthesis technology architecture is _variable_. |
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Òåìà: Re: Âñåì êóðöåâîäàì-FAQ ïî Kurzweil'àì îò ê2000 äî ê2661
Âðåìÿ: 15.12.2007 08:11 |
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>èáî âñÿ àðõèòåêòóðà îñíîâàíà íà ñåìïëàõ õîðîøåãî êà÷åñòâà - è âñå: íèêàêîãî ÑÈÍÒÅÇÀ òàì ïðîñòî íåò Íó è ÷åì âîñïðîèçâåäåíèå ñåìïëîâ íå ñèíòåç? |
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Òåìà: Re: Âñåì êóðöåâîäàì-FAQ ïî Kurzweil'àì îò ê2000 äî ê2661
Âðåìÿ: 15.12.2007 11:17 |
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+++À MOSS - òîæå òèï ñèíòåçà7 ß íå çíàåò ÷òî åñòü ìîññ... +++Íó è ÷åì âîñïðîèçâåäåíèå ñåìïëîâ íå ñèíòåç? Âïðèíöèïå ñåìïë-ïëåéáåê-òîæå òèï ñèíòåçà. |
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Òåìà: Re: Âñåì êóðöåâîäàì-FAQ ïî Kurzweil'àì îò ê2000 äî ê2661
Âðåìÿ: 15.12.2007 12:22 |
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>ß íå çíàåò ÷òî åñòü ìîññ... MOSS - ýòî òàêàÿ êàðòà ðàñøèðåíèÿ äëÿ Korg Triton è Trinity, ñ êó÷åé âèäîâ ñèíòåçà (â îñíîâíîì ðàçíîå ôèçè÷åñêîå ìîäåëèðîâàíèå, íî åñòü è VA, ïðîñòåíüêèé FM è ïðî÷.) |
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Òåìà: Re: Âñåì êóðöåâîäàì-FAQ ïî Kurzweil'àì îò ê2000 äî ê2661
Âðåìÿ: 16.12.2007 02:10 |
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Ðîñòîâ-íà-Äîíó Kurz PC3, Supernova2 Pro, Motif-Rask ES, WBlo SL
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>Íó è ÷åì âîñïðîèçâåäåíèå ñåìïëîâ íå ñèíòåç?< ÎÊ! Ñåé÷àñ ýòî ñ÷èòàåòñÿ îäíèì èç òèïîâ ñèíòåçà. Íî... - Îá ýòîì - èëè ïî÷òè îá ýòîì - Æåíÿ õîðîøî êàê-òî íàïèñàë, íå ïðèïîìíþ â êàêîé âåòêå, ýòîé, èëè PC2R. Ìîë, òåîðåòè÷åñêè, ìîæíî ñ÷èòàòü âîñïðîèçâåäåíèå áàçîâîãî ñåìïëà îñöèëÿòîðîì. Îäíàêî îñöèëÿòîð, â ñòðîãîì ñìûñëå ñëîâà, ãåíåðèðóåò íåêóþ "ïóëüñàöèþ".  ñëó÷àå æå âîñïðîèçâåäåíèÿ ñåìïëà "ïóëüñàöèÿ" ñîçäàåòñÿ ïàëüöåì êëàâèøíèêà. Êîíå÷íî, ìîæíî âîçðàçèòü, ÷òî íåêàÿ "ïóëüñàöèÿ" ì.á. çàïèñàíà â ñåìïë, êàê è íà ìàãíèòîôîí, íî ìû æå íå ñ÷èòàåì çâóê, çàïèñàííûé íà ìàãíèòîôîííóþ ëåíòó íåêèì "òèïîì ñèíòåçà"? À òî ïî÷åìó áû òîãäà íå ñ÷èòàòü òèïîì ñèíòåçà ÷åëîâå÷åñêóþ ðå÷ü èëè ïåíèå? drazn: Äàæå åñëè òàê ïîñ÷èòàòü, òî âñå ðàâíî íå ñõîäèòñÿ. Èáî ó íàñ ñâÿçêè óïîäîáÿòñÿ îñöèëëÿòîðó, à çàïèñü ãîëîñà íà CD - ñåìïëó!  Âîîáùåì, íå çíàþ êàê ó âàñ, à ó ìåíÿ â ãîëîâå ïîêà íå âñå - ïî ïîëî÷êàì... 
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Òåìà: Re: Âñåì êóðöåâîäàì-FAQ ïî Kurzweil'àì îò ê2000 äî ê2661
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ó ìåäèêîâ ýòî íàçûâàåòñÿ "ìîçàè÷íîå ñîçíàíèå" | |
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Òåìà: Re: Âñåì êóðöåâîäàì-FAQ ïî Kurzweil'àì îò ê2000 äî ê2661
Âðåìÿ: 16.12.2007 12:37 |
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2Gantenbein: Äàâàéòå äëÿ íà÷àëà îïðåäåëèìñÿ, ÷òî âû íàçûâàåòå ñèíòåçîì. Ðàññêàæèòå, êàêèå âèäû "äåéñòâèòåëüíî ñèíòåçà" âàì èçâåñòíû. |
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Òåìà: Re: Âñåì êóðöåâîäàì-FAQ ïî Kurzweil'àì îò ê2000 äî ê2661
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Ìíå òîæ íå ñîâñåì ïîíÿòíî ïî÷åìó ñåìïë-ïëåéáåê íå ÿâëÿåòñÿ òèïîì ñèíòåçà... | |
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Òåìà: Re: Âñåì êóðöåâîäàì-FAQ ïî Kurzweil'àì îò ê2000 äî ê2661
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Ðîñòîâ-íà-Äîíó Kurz PC3, Supernova2 Pro, Motif-Rask ES, WBlo SL
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>Ðàññêàæèòå, êàêèå âèäû "äåéñòâèòåëüíî ñèíòåçà" âàì èçâåñòíû.> Î, à âîò è ýêçàìåí ïîäîñïåë Ñìîòðÿ ÷òî ïîäðàçóìåâàòü ïîä "âàì èçâåñòíû". Ìîæíî, íàïð., óìåíèå õîäèòü ïî ññûëêàì. Èëè, êàê àëüòåðíàòèâà, èíæåíåðíî-ýëåêòðîííîå ïîëíîå ïîíèìàíèå òîãî, ÷òî ïðîèñõîäèò âíóòðè àïïàðàòà íåïîñðåäñòâåííî â ìîìåíò ñèíòåçà çâóêà. Åñëè îòâå÷àòü íà ïåðâûé âîïðîñ ñòðîãîãî ýêçàìåíàòîðà, òî: Subtractive (àíàëîãîâûé, ñîáñòâåííî) Additive FM S$S (ñåìïë+ñèíòåçèñ) Physical Modelling (ñîôòîâûé èëè âèðòóàëüíûé ñèíòåçèñ) Phase Distortion Granular Ïî âèäèìîìó, â íàøåì ñëó÷àå ðå÷ü âåäåòñÿ îá S$S. Òîãäà ÿ - çà! Êîíå÷íî, ýòî îäèí èç âèäîâ ñèíòåçà. Íåñîìíåííî, íà ñåãîäíÿøíèé äåíü. Ò.å. Default. Ïîëíûé! Äûê, ÿ æ íå ïðîòèâ äåôîëòîâ. (Õîòÿ è - íå äàé Áîã!) Ïðîñòî ïîïûòàëñÿ ïîôèëîñîôñòâîâàòü. Ìîë, åñòü âåùè íàòóðàëüíûå, åñòü èñêóñòâåííî ñîçäàííûå, ò.å. ÑÈÍÒÅÒÈ×ÅÑÊÈÅ, à åñòü íå÷òî ïðîìåæóòî÷íîå. ( ñîâðåìåííîì ìèðå ó íàñ âñå - ïðîìåæóòî÷íîå!) Òàê ÷òî åæåëè ðå÷ü èäåò î çâóêå, òî çâóêè òîæå ìîæíî ðàçäåëèòü íà: íàòóðàëüíûå (äðåáåçæàíèå ÷åëîâå÷åñêèõ ãîëîñîâûõ ñâÿçîê, êîðîâüèõ êèøîê, èëè èíîãî âîçäóøíîãî ñòîëáà) ñèíòåòè÷åñêèå (äðåáåçæàíèå ïåðåäíåé ÷àñòè äèíàìèêà â ðåçóëüòàòå ðàáîòû îñöèëëÿòîðîâ) ïðîìåæóòî÷íûå (äðåáåçæàíèå ïåðåäíåé ÷àñòè äèíàìèêà â ðåçóëüòàòå âîñïðîèçâåäåíèÿ ìàãíèòîôîííîé çàïèñè ÷åëîâå÷åñêîãî ãîëîñà, èëè âîñïðîèçâåäåíèÿ ñåìïëà) Äðóãîå äåëî, â íàøå âðåìÿ äàæå íàòóðàëüíûé ÷åëîâå÷åñêèé ãîëîñ ðàññìàòðèâàåòñÿ ïî÷òè èñêëþ÷èòåëüíî êàê îäèí èç òèïîâ ñèíòåçà. Ïîñêîëüêó ïåâåö ïîåò â ìèêðîôîí, à ñèãíàë âûõîäèò èç êîëîíîê óæå èçðÿäíî îáðàáîòàííûì âñÿ÷åñêèìè DSP. Òàê ÷òî êîãäà Âû ñëóøàåòå íîðìàëüíóþ çàïèñü Âèøíåâñêîé íà CD - ìîæåòå ñìåëî óòâåðæäàòü, ÷òî *íåò VAST îêðîìÿ VAST, è Ã. Âèøíåâñêàÿ - Ïðîðîê Åãî!* Çâèíÿéòå, åæåëè êîãî ÷åì çàäåë: ÍÈ×ÅÃÎ ËÈ×ÍÎÃÎ!
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Òåìà: Re: Âñåì êóðöåâîäàì-FAQ ïî Kurzweil'àì îò ê2000 äî ê2661
Âðåìÿ: 17.12.2007 00:31 |
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PC3X, G2 Engine, Ti2, TR-Rack, JD-990
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>Î, à âîò è ýêçàìåí ïîäîñïåë Íó äàâàéòå ïî-äðóãîìó. Äîïóñòèì, åñòü ó âàñ åñòü íåêàÿ øòóêà, ó êîòîðîé íåèçâåñòíî ÷òî âíóòðè, íî êîòîðàÿ óìååò â îòâåò, íàïðèìåð, íà íàæàòèå êëàâèøè èçäàâàòü êàêîé-òî çâóê. Êàê âû óçíàåòå, "îñöèëëÿòîð" (â âàøåì ïîíèìàíèè ýòîãî ñëîâà) ýòà øòóêà èëè, íàïðèìåð, ïðîèãðûâàåò ñåìïëû? |
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Òåìà: Re: Âñåì êóðöåâîäàì-FAQ ïî Kurzweil'àì îò ê2000 äî ê2661
Âðåìÿ: 17.12.2007 00:59 |
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Ðîñòîâ-íà-Äîíó Kurz PC3, Supernova2 Pro, Motif-Rask ES, WBlo SL
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>Íó äàâàéòå ïî-äðóãîìó. Äûê, à êòî æ ïåðâûé íà÷àë-òî? ÎÊ. Äàâàéòå ïî äðóãîìó. >Äîïóñòèì, åñòü ó âàñ åñòü íåêàÿ øòóêà, ó êîòîðîé íåèçâåñòíî ÷òî âíóòðè, íî êîòîðàÿ óìååò â îòâåò, íàïðèìåð, íà íàæàòèå êëàâèøè èçäàâàòü êàêîé-òî çâóê< Íàïð., êàññåòíûé ìàãíèòîôîí. Èòàê, âû íàæàëè êëàâèøó PLAY.  ðåçóëüòàòå ÷åãî óñëûøàëè íåêèé çâóê. Êàê âû óçíàåòå, "ñèíòåçèðîâàííûé" (â âàøåì ïîíèìàíèè) çâóê ýòà øòóêà ïðîèãðûâàåò, èëè âñå æå - íàòóðàëüíûé???
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Òåìà: Re: Âñåì êóðöåâîäàì-FAQ ïî Kurzweil'àì îò ê2000 äî ê2661
Âðåìÿ: 17.12.2007 02:24 |
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PC3X, G2 Engine, Ti2, TR-Rack, JD-990
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>Êàê âû óçíàåòå, "ñèíòåçèðîâàííûé" (â âàøåì ïîíèìàíèè) çâóê ýòà øòóêà ïðîèãðûâàåò, èëè âñå æå - íàòóðàëüíûé??? Òàê âîò ïîýòîìó ÿ âàì è çàäàë âîïðîñ, à ÷òî âû ïîäðàçóìåâàåòå ïîä ñèíòåçîì? Âû íà íåãî ïî÷åìó-òî íå çàõîòåëè îòâå÷àòü. |
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Òåìà: Re: Âñåì êóðöåâîäàì-FAQ ïî Kurzweil'àì îò ê2000 äî ê2661
Âðåìÿ: 17.12.2007 09:09 |
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Ñòàâðîïîëü
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Íàñ÷åò ìåëëîòðîíà ñ ìóãîì, êîíå÷íî øóòêà, íî ïðèíöèï â öåëîì ïîõîæ. Ìåëëîòðîí, êîíñòðóêòèâíî - íàñêîëüêî ÿ ïîìíþ - ìíîãîäîðîæå÷íûé ìàãíèòîôîí, ïðèíàæàòèè íà îïðåäåëåííóþ êëàâèøó âîñïðîèçâîäèòñÿ çàäàííàÿ äîðîæêà. Äðåâíèé àíàëîãîâûé ïðîîáðàç âñåõ íóíåøíèõ sample playback óñòðîéñòâ. Ìóã - àääèòèâíûé ñèíòåçàòîð (ìîæåò è íå òîëüêî, çàáûë óæå), íàïè÷êàííûé âñåâîçìîæíûìè óïðàâëÿåìûìè óñèëèòåëÿìè, ôèëüòðàìè è ïð. Åñëè ïîäêëþ÷èòü ìåëëîòðîí â êà÷åñòâå îäíîãî èç åãî ãåíåðàòîðîâ, è ñíèìàòü ê êëàâû ñèãíàëû CV/Gate (äëÿ óïðàâëåíè ìóãîì) áóäåò ÷òî-òî âðîäå ñîâðåìåííûõ öèôðîâûõ ñèíòîâ. Ìîæåò òàê êòî-íèáóäü è äåëàë â òî âðåìÿ, íåêîòîðûå ãðàæäàíå ìóçûêàíòû î÷åíü ëþáèëè ýêñïåðèìåíòèðîâàòü... Ïðè êëàññèôèêàöèè òèïîâ ñèíòåçà âîçíèêàåò âîïðîñ îò ÷åãî îòòàëêèâàòüñÿ, åñòü íåñêîëüêî îñíîâíûõ ñòàäèé ñîçäàíèÿ çâóêà ýëåêòðîííûì èíñòðóìåíòîì: 1) Ïåðâè÷íûé èñòî÷íèê ñèãíàëà - àíàëîãîâûé ãåíåðàòîð, ìàòåìàòè÷åñêàÿ ôóíêöèÿ, îöèôðîâàííàÿ âîëíîâàÿ ôîðìà; 2) Ôîðìèðîâàíèå òåìáðà çâóêà - àääèòèâíûé ñèíòåç (ñîñòàâëåíèå ñëîæíîãî ñèãíàëà èç íåñêîëüêèõ áîëåå ïðîñòûõ), ñóáòðàêòèâíûé ñèíòåç (âû÷èòàíèå îïðåäåëåííûõ ÷àñòîò èç ãàðìîíè÷åñêè áîãàòîãî ñèãíàëà ñ ïîìîùüþ ôèëüòðîâ), ìóëüòèïëèêàòèâíûé ñèíòåç (ñþäà ìîæíî îòíåñòè ðàçëè÷íûå íåëèíåéíûå ïðåîáðàçîâàíèÿ ñèãíàëà - àìïëèòóäíîå îãðàíè÷åíèå, ïåðåìíîæåíèå ñèãíàëîâ, êâàäðàòîð). 3) Ôîðìèðîâàíèå äèíàìèêè çâóêà - íàëîæåíèå àìïëèòóäíîé îãèáàþùåé, àìïëèòóäíàÿ Í×-ìîäóëÿöèÿ. Òåìáðîâûå ìîäóëÿòîðû/ìàíèïóëÿòîðû ãäå-òî ìåæäó 2 è 3, ÷àñòîòíûå è ôàçîâûå áëèæå ê 1. Íåñêîëüêî îñîáíÿ÷êîì èäóò FM-ñèíòåç è ôèçè÷åñêîå ìîäåëèðîâàíèå, ïîñêîëüêó ÈÌÕÎ íå âñåãäà âîçìîæíî ÷åòêî âûäåëèòü ýòè òðè ñòàäè â èõ ðàáîòå. 4) Äîïîëíèòåëüíàÿ îáðàáîòêà - ïðèìåíåíèå çâóêîâûõ ýôôåêòîâ. Òóò ñëåäóåò ðàçäåëÿòü ñëó÷àè êîãäà ýôôåêò ïðèìåíÿåòñÿ äëÿ íåêîòîðîé êîððåêöèè èëè ñîçäàíèÿ îïðåäåëåííîé àòìîñôåðû, ëèáî æå äëÿ ãëóáîêîãî ïðåîáðàçîâàíèÿ õàðàêòåðà ãåíåðèðóåìîãî çâóêà. Ïåðâûé ñëó÷àé, êàê ìíå êàæåòñÿ áîëüøå õàðàêòåðåí äëÿ ñèíòåçà àêóñòè÷åñêèõ èíñòðóìåíòîâ, à âòîðîé - äëÿ ÷èñòî ýëåêòðîííûõ òåìáðîâ, ïðè÷åì â ïîñëåäíåì ñëó÷àå ýòî ñêîðåå áëèæå ê ïóíêòó 2. Ðàçíèöà ìåæäó ñýìïëåðîì è ðîìïëåðîì äîâîëüíî óñëîâíà: ïåðâûé ÷èòàåò ñýìïëû èç ÎÇÓ (êóäà îíè ïðåäâàðèòåëüíî çàãðóæåíû ñ HDD, CD-ROM èëè åùå îòêóäà-íèáóäü) ïëþñ ïîçâîëÿåò îöèôðîâûâàòü çâóê, âòîðîé ÷èòàåò èõ èç ïîëóïðîâîäíèêîâîé ÏÇÓ, è ñàì ñýìïëèðîâàòü íå ìîæåò. |
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TrollProof™ System
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Òåìà: Re: Âñåì êóðöåâîäàì-FAQ ïî Kurzweil'àì îò ê2000 äî ê2661
Âðåìÿ: 17.12.2007 11:04 |
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Ìèòèíî Ïðèáîð÷åã : ÐÑ161, NS5R
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Âî íàôëóäèëè-òî! Ãåí, íå çàáèâàé ñåáå ãîëîâó. Âî âñåé ýòîé ñèíòåçàòîðíîé ëàáóäå ìíîãî óñëîâíîñòåé. Ìíîãî çàâèñèò îò ñèñòåìû êîîðäèíàò, ñ êîèõ ðàññìàòðèâàåòñÿ ïðåäìåò îáñóæäåíèÿ. Êàæäûé ìîæåò ïðåäëîæèòü ñâîþ - è áóäåò ïðàâ. Ïîíÿòèå "ñèíòåç" îáùåå è ïðèìåíÿåòñÿ âî ìíîãèõ îáëàñòÿõ íàóêè è òåõíèêè. Ïîñìîòðè â ñëîâàðÿõ. Îäíàêî íå âñå òèïû ìóçûêàëüíîãî ñèíòåçà ìîæíî ñ ëåãêîñòüþ ïîäâåñòè ïîä ýòî îïðåäåëåíèå. Íàïðèìåð, îäèíàêîâî âîçüìóñü îáîñíîâàòü, ÷òî ÷åë.ãîëîñ èëè ìóç. íñòðóìåíò ìîæíî íàçâàòü êàê îñöèëëÿòîðîì òàê è íåêèì òèïîì ñèíòåçà. Âñå çàâèñèò îò òîãî, íàñêîëüêî ñëîæíîé óäàñòñÿ ïðåäñòàâèòü "êàðòèíó ìèðà". Èëè âîçüìè òîò æå ìóã (àíàëîã). Ïî îáùåïðèíÿòîé êëàññèôèêàöèè èíñòðóìåíò ñóáñòðàêòèâíîãî òèïà ñèíòåçà. Íî ðàçâå åãî ìîäóëè òîëüêî âû÷èòàþò. Íåò è äîáàâëÿòü, â ñìûñëå óñèëèâàòü, ãàðìîíè÷åñêèå ñîñòàâëÿþùèå òîæå ìîãóò. È òàê äàëåå ìîæíî ïðî êàæäûé òèï. ß ïîíèìàþ, ÷òî îò âñåõ ýòèõ òåíäåíöèé ñîçäàíèÿ ïðèáîðîâ ïî ïðèíöèïó «âñå â îäíîì», ïðèìåíåíèÿ ñëîæíîé àðõèòåêòóðû ñèíòåçà êðûøà åäåò. À õî÷åòñÿ ñòîÿòü íà çåìëå. Òîãäà ïðèìåíÿé ïðîñòîé íàó÷íûé ïðèíöèï – íå óìíîæàé «ñóùíîñòåé». Íå ïðèäóìûâàé «íîâîãî», åñëè íå÷òî ìîæíî îáúÿñíèòü «ñòàðûìè» ïîíÿòèÿìè. ß óäèâëÿþñü, êàê ïðî øåéïåð åùå íå âñïîìíèëè. À ýòî ïîæàëóé åäèíñòâåííàÿ «íàòÿæêà» ñ ïîìîùüþ êîòîðîé ìîæíî ÂÀÑÒ íàçâàòü òèïîì ñèíòåçà. Íî óæ áîëüíî ìåëêà ñîøêà äëÿ òàêîé ãëûáû. Ïîýòîìó íå áóäåì óìíîæàòü ñóùíîñòåé. Êñòàòè ÿ è ïðî îñöèëëÿòîðû ñïðîñèë áåç ïîäâîõà. Òåðìèí êóðöåì íå èñïîëüçóåòñÿ, à Ðýé çàáûë óòî÷íèòü, ÷òî èìåë â âèäó: ñåìïëû, êåéìàïû, òîëüêî êåéìàïû ãåíåðàòîðíûõ çâóêîâ, ËÔÎ? Ñàíü, ïàðàìåòð äÁ/îêòàâà - åñòü â îáùåì-òî êîëè÷åñòâåííûé ïîêàçàòåëü. Êàê îöåíèâàë êà÷åñòâî? ×òî êðèòåðèè? Ðàçúÿñíè èëè äàé ññûëêè. Ïîêà ïîëó÷àåòñÿ «îäíà áàáóøêà ñêàçàëà». |
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Òåìà: Re: Âñåì êóðöåâîäàì-FAQ ïî Kurzweil'àì îò ê2000 äî ê2661
Âðåìÿ: 17.12.2007 15:33 |
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Ñòàâðîïîëü
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Âîîáùå æå, ïðîáëåìà êëàññèôèêàöèè ñâîéñòâåííà íå òîëüêî ýëåêòðîííûì ìóçûêàëüíûì èíñòðóìåíòàì: http://zhurnal.lib.ru/m/muratow_s_w/musicalinstruments.shtml |
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TrollProof™ System
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Òåìà: Re: Âñåì êóðöåâîäàì-FAQ ïî Kurzweil'àì îò ê2000 äî ê2661
Âðåìÿ: 18.12.2007 22:35 |
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Ðîñòîâ-íà-Äîíó Kurz PC3, Supernova2 Pro, Motif-Rask ES, WBlo SL
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>Òàê âîò ïîýòîìó ÿ âàì è çàäàë âîïðîñ, à ÷òî âû ïîäðàçóìåâàåòå ïîä ñèíòåçîì? Âû íà íåãî ïî÷åìó-òî íå çàõîòåëè îòâå÷àòü.< Íó, Æåíÿ äîñòàòî÷íî ôèëîñîôñêè øèðîêî è óáåäèòåëüíî âñåì íàì çà âñåõ íàñ îòâåòèë. Íî îòâå÷ó è ÿ. (Òîëüêî èìåéòå ââèäó - ÿ íå íàïàäàþ, íå "ïîääåâàþ", è âñå ïðî÷èå "íå"... Ïðîñòî äåëþñü ñîîáðàæåíèÿìè - è íå îáÿçàòåëüíî ñòðîãî ìóçûêàëüíûìè.) Ïîä "ñèíòåçîì" çâóêà ÿ ïîäðàçóìåâàþ "ñèíòåç" çâóêà. Ëþáàÿ ñèíòåòè÷åñêàÿ âåùü ïðåäïîëàãàåò èñêóñòâåííîå ñîçäàíèå òîãî, ÷åãî ïðèðîäà êàê òàêîâàÿ íå ñîçäàâàëà. (Íå óñïåëà!  ýòîì ñìûñëå øåëê è ðîãîæêà äîñòàòî÷íî ñèëüíî îòëè÷àþòñÿ îò ïîëèýòèëåíà. Ïðèìåðíî òàê æå, êàê ñèíòåçàòîð è ñåìïëåð. Åñëè ñîãëàñíû, òî îñòàåòñÿ ïðîñòî ïîíÿòü, ÷òî åñòü "ñåìïëïëåéáåê" ñèíòåç â ýòîì êîíòåêñòå. Íà ñàìîì äåëå, ýòî ïðîñòî òåìà äëÿ ðàçãîâîðà. Äîñòàòî÷íî áåññìûñëåííîãî, åñëè îïïîíåíòû íå ñèìïàòè÷íû äðóã äðóãó. È äîñòàòî÷íî ïðèÿòíîãî â ïðÿìî ïðîòèâîïîëîæíîì ñëó÷àå. Äðóãîå äåëî, è â ïåðâîì, è âî âòîðîì ñëó÷àå ìû íå ñìîæåì - îíî íàì íàäî? - èçìåíèòü ïðàâèëà èãðû, íàâÿçàííîé íàì ïðîèçâîäèòåëåì. Ïîýòîìó ïðåäëàãàþ â äàëüíåéøåì êóðöåâñêèé òèï ñèíòåçà ñ÷èòàòü ãèáðèäíûì (Hybrid Syntesis) 
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Òåìà: Re: Âñåì êóðöåâîäàì-FAQ ïî Kurzweil'àì îò ê2000 äî ê2661
Âðåìÿ: 18.12.2007 23:00 |
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Ðîñòîâ-íà-Äîíó Kurz PC3, Supernova2 Pro, Motif-Rask ES, WBlo SL
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>ß óäèâëÿþñü, êàê ïðî øåéïåð åùå íå âñïîìíèëè. À ýòî ïîæàëóé åäèíñòâåííàÿ «íàòÿæêà» ñ ïîìîùüþ êîòîðîé ìîæíî ÂÀÑÒ íàçâàòü òèïîì ñèíòåçà.< Æåíü, êàê ýòî - íå âñïîìíèëè? Öèòèðóþ ñîáñòâåííûé ïîñò >Subtractive (àíàëîãîâûé, ñîáñòâåííî) Additive FM S$S (ñåìïë+ñèíòåçèñ) Physical Modelling (ñîôòîâûé èëè âèðòóàëüíûé ñèíòåçèñ) Phase Distortion (PD) Granular< Ïðåäïîñëåäíèé ñíèçó - PD. Ñïðàâêà: (Äàëåå - ìîé êîðÿâî-äîñëîâíûé íåäîïåðåâîä) "Ôàçîâîå èñêàæåíèå - îäíà èç ôîðì ñèíòåçà, ïðè êîòîðîé âíà÷àëå áåðåòñÿ îäèí àëãîðèòì a sine wave, ïîñëå ÷åãî âòîðîé àëãîðèòì èñêàæàåò ïåðâè÷íûé (SHAPE!!!), â ðåçóëüòàòå ÷åãî ñîçäàåòñÿ ñîâåðøåííî íîâàÿ âîëíîâàÿ ôîðìà." DP-ñèíòåç (shape) àêòèâíî ïðèìåíÿåòñÿ â ñèíòåçàòîðàõ Kurzweil, Casio, à òàêæå ñîâåðøåííî çàìå÷àòåëüíî ðåàëèçîâàí â Sculptura - âñòðîåííîì â Logic 8 (Mac only!) ïëàãèíå, ïðåäíàçíà÷åííîì äëÿ ñîçäàíèÿ ñîáñòâåííûõ íåïîâòîðèìûõ çâóêîâ. Ãû!.. |
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Òåìà: Re: Âñåì êóðöåâîäàì-FAQ ïî Kurzweil'àì îò ê2000 äî ê2661
Âðåìÿ: 18.12.2007 23:08 |
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PC3X, G2 Engine, Ti2, TR-Rack, JD-990
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>Åñëè ñîãëàñíû, òî îñòàåòñÿ ïðîñòî ïîíÿòü, ÷òî åñòü "ñåìïëïëåéáåê" ñèíòåç â ýòîì êîíòåêñòå. Íó êàê ñêàçàòü, ïðàêòè÷åñêè âñå "ñåìïëïëåéáåê" ñèíòåçàòîðû ñòðîÿòñÿ ïî ñõåìå ñõîæåé ñ VA, òî åñòü ïî öåïî÷êå èñòî÷íèê çâóêà->ôèëüòð->îãèáàþùàÿ, íó è ïëþñ âñÿêèå ìîäóëÿòîðû. Ó÷èòûâàÿ, ÷òî ïðàêòè÷åñêè âî âñåõ èç íèõ åñòü ñåìïëû ñòàíäàðòíûõ âîëí (ïèëà, ïðÿìîóãîëüíèê è ò.ï.), òî "ñåìïëïëåéáåê" ñèíòåçàòîðû - íèêàê íå ìåíåå ñèíòåçàòîðû, ÷åì VA. >ß óäèâëÿþñü, êàê ïðî øåéïåð åùå íå âñïîìíèëè. À ýòî ïîæàëóé åäèíñòâåííàÿ «íàòÿæêà» ñ ïîìîùüþ êîòîðîé ìîæíî ÂÀÑÒ íàçâàòü òèïîì ñèíòåçà. Íó øåéïåð - ýòî ñêîðåå ìîäóëü äëÿ îáðàáîòêè çâóêà, ê òîìó æå èìåëèñü îíè â ðàçëè÷íûõ ñèíòåçàòîðàõ çàäîëãî äî VAST'à. |
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Òåìà: Re: Âñåì êóðöåâîäàì-FAQ ïî Kurzweil'àì îò ê2000 äî ê2661
Âðåìÿ: 19.12.2007 09:55 |
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Ìèòèíî Ïðèáîð÷åã : ÐÑ161, NS5R
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>DP-ñèíòåç (shape) àêòèâíî ïðèìåíÿåòñÿ â ñèíòåçàòîðàõ Kurzweil, Casio... ß ðàçâå îáÿçàí âñå çíàòü? >Ãû!.. Àëàâåðäû! >Íó êàê ñêàçàòü, ïðàêòè÷åñêè âñå "ñåìïëïëåéáåê" ñèíòåçàòîðû ñòðîÿòñÿ ïî ñõåìå ñõîæåé ñ VA... Òàê òî÷íî. Àðõèòåêòóðà åñòü, çíà÷èò è ñàì ñèíòåç ãäå-òî "ðÿäîì" äîëæåí áûòü.
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Òåìà: Re: Âñåì êóðöåâîäàì-FAQ ïî Kurzweil'àì îò ê2000 äî ê2661
Âðåìÿ: 19.12.2007 14:21 |
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Ìîñêâà Ýòíè÷åñêèå
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Ãîñïîäà, âû êàæèñü äàëåêî îòîøëè îò òåìû
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Òåìà: Re: Âñåì êóðöåâîäàì-FAQ ïî Kurzweil'àì îò ê2000 äî ê2661
Âðåìÿ: 27.03.2008 13:18 |
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Ðåáÿòà, êòî çíàåò, ýòî ïðàâäà ÷òî Êóðçâåéë ñíÿë ñ ïðîèçâîäñòâà ëåíòî÷íûå êîíòðîëëåðû? Êòî çíàåò ïî÷åìó, è ïðåäïîëàãàåòñÿ ëè çàìåíà? Ñïàñèáî. |
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Òåìà: Re: Âñåì êóðöåâîäàì-FAQ ïî Kurzweil'àì îò ê2000 äî ê2661
Âðåìÿ: 27.03.2008 15:03 |
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PC3X, G2 Engine, Ti2, TR-Rack, JD-990
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>Ðåáÿòà, êòî çíàåò, ýòî ïðàâäà ÷òî Êóðçâåéë ñíÿë ñ ïðîèçâîäñòâà ëåíòî÷íûå êîíòðîëëåðû? Êòî çíàåò ïî÷åìó, è ïðåäïîëàãàåòñÿ ëè çàìåíà? ß ïîëàãàþ, ðå÷ü î êîíòðîëëåðàõ äëÿ ñèíòîâ PC-ñåðèè? Íó íå òî, ÷òîáû ñíÿë ñ ïðîèçâîäñòâà. Ïðîñòî ýòî íà ñàìîì äåëå ìàëî êîìó íóæíàÿ øòóêà, íåò ñìûñëà èõ ïðîèçâîäèòü ïîñòîÿííî, èõ ñíà÷àëà ïðîèçâîäÿò ïàðòèþ, ïîòîì åå ïðîäàþò, êîãäà ïðîäàäóò - ïðîèçâîäÿò ñëåäóþùóþ è ò.ï. Âîò íåäàâíî êàê ðàç î÷åðåäíàÿ ïàðòèÿ çàêîí÷èëàñü, òåïåðü íóæíî æäàòü, êîãäà îíè íàäåëàþò íîâûõ (à òî, ÷òî îíè íàäåëàþò - ýòî áåññïîðíî, èáî îíè çàÿâëåíû îôèöèàëüíî êàê îïöèÿ ê íîâîìó ñèíòó PC3X). Íàâåðíîå ãäå-íèáóäü ê îñåíè îíè ñíîâà ïîÿâÿòñÿ. |
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Òåìà: Re: Âñåì êóðöåâîäàì-FAQ ïî Kurzweil'àì îò ê2000 äî ê2661
Âðåìÿ: 27.03.2008 21:28 |
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>ß ïîëàãàþ, ðå÷ü î êîíòðîëëåðàõ äëÿ ñèíòîâ PC-ñåðèè? >Íó íå òî, ÷òîáû ñíÿë ñ ïðîèçâîäñòâà. Ïðîñòî ýòî íà ñàìîì äåëå ìàëî êîìó íóæíàÿ øòóêà... Ìîæåò áûòü. Íî ìíå íðàâèòñÿ èñïîëüçîâàòü ëåíòî÷íûé êîíòðîëëåð. Ìîæíî è òåìû ïðîèãðûâàòü íà íåì, óäîáíî èñïîëüçîâàòü è êàê ðåãóëÿòîð. Ïîëåçíîå ñðåäñòâî. |
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Òåìà: Re: Âñåì êóðöåâîäàì-FAQ ïî Kurzweil'àì îò ê2000 äî ê2661
Âðåìÿ: 27.03.2008 23:55 |
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PC3X, G2 Engine, Ti2, TR-Rack, JD-990
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>Ïîëåçíîå ñðåäñòâî. Íèêòî íå ñïîðèò, íî âîò òàê âîò ïîëó÷èëîñü, ÷òî î÷åíü íåìíîãèå åãî ïîêóïàþò. |
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Òåìà: Re: Âñåì êóðöåâîäàì-FAQ ïî Kurzweil'àì îò ê2000 äî ê2661
Âðåìÿ: 03.04.2008 17:45 |
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> >ß ïîëàãàþ, ðå÷ü î êîíòðîëëåðàõ äëÿ ñèíòîâ PC-ñåðèè? Íó è ïðî íèõ òîëüêî... íî ÿ âîîáùå äëÿ Ê2661 õî÷ó > >èáî îíè çàÿâëåíû îôèöèàëüíî êàê îïöèÿ ê íîâîìó ñèíòó PC3X) Äà, äåéñòâèòåëüíî, íà ñàéòå îíî òàê è çàÿâëåíî. ß ïî÷åìó ïàíèêó ïîäíÿë - ìíå â ìàãàçèíå ñêàçàëè, ÷òî ìîë, ñíÿëè ñ ïðîèçâîäñòâà. ß ðåøèë ïðîâåðèòü, çàøåë íà ñàéò - è áàö. Äëÿ Ê2661 îí ÷óäåñíû îáðàçîì ïðîïàë èç "îïöèé". Ïîèñê ïî ñàéòó (êàê âíóòðåííèì ïîèñêîì, òàê è ãóãëîì) - íå äàë íèêàêèõ ðåçóëüòàòîâ. Íî áóäåì íàäåÿòñÿ, ÷òî âñå-òàêè èõ íàêëåïàþò òàêè. Êñòàòè, îí ðàíüøå òàê è íàçûâàëñÿ "SUPER Ribbon Controller"? Òàì íè÷åãî â íåì íå ïîìåíÿëîñü? |
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Òåìà: Re: Âñåì êóðöåâîäàì-FAQ ïî Kurzweil'àì îò ê2000 äî ê2661
Âðåìÿ: 18.04.2008 13:58 |
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Ñàìàðà Casio CTK-691, Kurzweil K2000
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Âîïðîñ ïî ñêàçè. Ó ìåíÿ åñòü 1) êóðö Ê2000 2) âíóòðåííèé âèí÷åñòåð 3) êîíòðîëëåð äëÿ êîìïà. Ìîæíî ëè èç ýòîãî äåëà ñäåëàòü òàê ÷òîáû äëÿ çàãðóçêè èíôû ñ êîìïà íà âèíò íå ïðèõîäèëîñü âûíèìàòü åãî èç ñèíòåçàòîðà? Òî áèøü êàêóþ òî öåïî÷êó çàìóòèòü | |
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Òåìà: Re: Âñåì êóðöåâîäàì-FAQ ïî Kurzweil'àì îò ê2000 äî ê2661
Âðåìÿ: 18.04.2008 18:04 |
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Ñàìàðà Casio CTK-691, Kurzweil K2000
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Íó âîò ÷òîáû äâà ðàçà íå âñòàâàòü. Âîçíèêëà òðàáëà ñ ýòîé âñåé áåäîé. Î öåïî÷êå ðå÷è äàæ íå èäåò.  îáùåì Ïîäðóáàþ âèíò ê êîìïó, âèíäà åãî íå âèäèò. íàçíà÷àþ áóêâó, âèíäà âèäèò. êàòàþ òóäà âñå íàêîïëåíûå çâóêè. Ïîäðóáàþ ê êóðöó - êóðö âèíò ñìîíòèðîâàòü íå ìîæåò. ôîðìàòèðóþ â êóðöå - êóðö åãî âèäèò, ïîäðóáàþ ê êîìïó. âèíäà íå âèäèò, íàäî ôîðìàòèðîâàòü â âèíäå.... ×åãî äåëàòü òî? Ïîäîçðåâàþ ÷òî åñòü ñïîñîá ýòî äåëî ñëèòü íà âèíò ñ êîìïà íå ôîðìàòèðóÿ åãî â âèíäå, íî êàê? ChikenTranslator èëè êàê åãî òàì âèíò âèäèò. íî êîïèðîâàòü òóäà íå õî÷åò... èëè ÿ ÷òî òî íå ïðàâèëüíî äåëàþ. |
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Òåìà: Re: Âñåì êóðöåâîäàì-FAQ ïî Kurzweil'àì îò ê2000 äî ê2661
Âðåìÿ: 18.04.2008 23:13 |
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Òåìà: Re: Âñåì êóðöåâîäàì-FAQ ïî Kurzweil'àì îò ê2000 äî ê2661
Âðåìÿ: 21.04.2008 07:31 |
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Ñàìàðà Casio CTK-691, Kurzweil K2000
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Îëåã, Îí ãîâîðèò òèïà This type of transition is not possible blah blah blah Ìîæåò âåðñèþ îáíîâèòü? |
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Òåìà: Re: Âñåì êóðöåâîäàì-FAQ ïî Kurzweil'àì îò ê2000 äî ê2661
Âðåìÿ: 27.05.2008 15:24 |
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Vermona PerFOURmer, Roland RS-09, Kurzweil SP4-7, Akai Miniak
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Ïðîøó ïîìîùè! Ñ ìîèì Kurzweil K2661 ïðèêëþ÷èëàñü íåïðèÿòíàÿ âåùü Äåëî âîò â ÷åì - 8 êðàéíèõ ñïðàâà êëàâèø (íà÷èíàÿ îò Ñîëü, G2) íà êëàâèàòóðå ïåðåñòàëè ïîäàâàòü ìèäè ñîîáùåíèÿ - à ñîîòâåòñâåííî è èãðàòü çâóêè ñèíòà Ïðè÷åì íà òåñò (çàïóñêàåìûé êëàâèøàìè 3+4+5) îíè ðåàãèðóþò - íî ïðèýòîì âûñâå÷èâàåòüñÿ ñîîáùåíèå "KEY G2 43 **ERROR** PRS=2" Ïðè íàæàòèè íà ýòó ñàìóþ êëàâèøó G2 (íèæíåå Ñîëü) - ñîîáùåíèå ïðîïàäàåò - íî çâóê è ìèäè ñèãíàë òàê è íå ïîÿâëÿåòüñÿ Ìîè äåéñòâèÿ ïðåäøåñòâóþùèå ýòîìó Óñòàíîâèë ñåìïëåðíóþ ïëàòó SMP-61 - ïðèøëîñü ðàçáèðàòü ïî÷òè ïîëíîñòüþ âåñü ñèíòåçàòîð - íî äåëàë âñå ÷åòêî ïî èíñòðóêöèè è âñå ïðîâîäà îñòàëèñü íà ìåñòå - íè÷åãî âðîäå íå âûïàëî Ïîñëå ýòîãî ñèíòåçàòîð áåç îøèáîê ïðîøåë âñå òåñòû - â òîì ÷èñëå è òåñò êëàâèàòóðû Äàëåå ýêñïåðåìåíòèðîâàë ñ íàñòðîéêàìè Ìèäè è ïîäêëþ÷àë ôóò-êîíòðîëëåð - è ãäå òî íà ýòîì ýòàïå è îáíàðóæèë ïðîáëåìó ñ êëàâèøàìè Õîëîäíûé è ãîðÿ÷èå ðåñòàðòû íå ïîìîãëè òàê æå êàê è îáíóëåíèå PRAM è ïåðåóñòàíîâêà îïåðàöèîííîé ñèñòåìû ñèíòåçàòîðà Ïàðàìåòð MIDI -> ChngRng (èçìåíåíèå äèàïàçîíà êëàâèàòóðû) òîæå íå ðåàãèðóåò íà íîòû íèæå íèæíåé Ñîëü Ñòàëêèâàëñÿ ëè êòî íèáóòü ñ ïîäîáíûìè ïðîáëåìàìè è êàê åå ðåøèòü, Êàê âàðèàíò ñåãîäíÿ âå÷åðîì åùå õî÷ó åùå ðàç ïåðåïðîâåðèòü âñå ñîåäèíåíèÿ êàáåëåé âíóòðè ñèíòåçàòîðà è âûòàùèòü íà âðåìÿ áàòàðåéêó |
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