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Òåìà: Çàìåíà ïèàíèíî. Roland RD700, Yamaha S90ES, Roland FP-7F ,Roland FP-4F, Yamaha CLP-340/440 ,Yamaha P155
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Äîáðûé äåíü òîâàðèùè. Îñíîâíàÿ öåëü ïîêóïêè, êàê ìîæíî êà÷åñòâåííàÿ çàìåíà àêóñòè÷åñêîãî ïèàíèíî ïðè ìàëûõ ãàáàðèòàõ. ×òî èç ýòèõ ìîäåëåé âû ïîñîâåòóåòå èëè êàêèå ìîäåëè åùå ðàññìîòðåòü. Roland RD700SX, Yamaha S90ES, Roland FP-7F ,Roland FP-4F, Yamaha CLP-340/440 ,Yamaha P155 Íà ñêîëüêî õîðîøè ïî çâó÷àíèþ, êàê ïèàíèíî Roland RD700SX è Yamaha S90ES. Êàêîé èç ýòèõ äâóõ áîëåå êà÷åñòâåííî çàìåíèò ïèàíèíî? Êàê çâó÷èò Roland FP-4F è Yamaha P155 è ìîæíî ëè ñðàâíèâàòü èõ çâó÷àíèå ñ Roland RD700, Yamaha S90ES . Òàê æå õî÷åòñÿ èìåòü íà áîðòó è äðóãèå îñíîâíûå èíñòðóìåíòû. Ìàëåíüêèé áðàò èãðàë íà Yamaha psr-323. Êóïèëè êàê ïåðâûé äåøåâûé èíñòðóìåíò , ÷òîáû óçíàòü íå ïðîïàäåò ëè ñî âðåìåíåì æåëàíèå. Ñåáå ÿ êóïèë Yamaha DGX-640, ïîâåëñÿ íà öåíó (ñêóïîé ïëàòèò äâàæäû) , íî åãî çâó÷àíèå ìåíÿ íè êàê íå óñòðàèâàëî, êðîìå òîãî ïîëíîñòüþ îòïàëî æåëàíèÿ èãðàòü íà íåì , çâóê DGX-640 äëÿ ìåíÿ ñðàâíèì , êàê î÷åíü íåêà÷åñòâåííàÿ ñèìóëÿöèÿ ,íîòû çâó÷àò íå òàê è ìóçûêà ïîëó÷àåòñÿ íå òà . Îáà èíñòðóìåíòà ìû ïðîäàëè è ñåé÷àñ õîòèì êóïèòü ,÷òî òî ñòîÿùåå íà äâîèõ. Ìíå êàê ïèàíèíî , à áðàòó, êàê ñèíòåçàòîð . Èãðàþ ÿ â îñíîâíîì êëàññèêó , áðàò ïîïñó . Èãðàåì äëÿ ñåáÿ , äëÿ äóøè . Âñåì ñïàñèáî çà ïîìîùü. |
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Òåìà: Re: Çàìåíà ïèàíèíî. Roland RD700, Yamaha S90ES, Roland FP-7F ,Roland FP-4F, Yamaha CLP-340/440 ,Yamaha P155
Âðåìÿ: 22.06.2013 05:33 |
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åñëè ïóò¸ì ïðîá è îøèáîê ñôîðìèðîâàëñÿ ñâîé âêóñ ôîíîøíîãî çâó÷àíèÿ, òî íåãîæå êàê áû îðèåíòèðîâàòüñÿ íà âêóñ ñîñåäà ïî êàìåðå èìõî. Íå ñëûøàë ðîëàíäû íî ÿìàõ ñåðèÿ CLP- ïîíðàâèëàñü ïî âñåì ïàðàìåòðàì(ñàì ùóïàë â øîïå). äåìîíñòðàøêè êà÷àéòå ñ þòóáà ïðè îòñóòñòâèè ìóçìàãàçèíîâ | |
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Òåìà: Re: Çàìåíà ïèàíèíî. Roland RD700, Yamaha S90ES, Roland FP-7F ,Roland FP-4F, Yamaha CLP-340/440 ,Yamaha P155
Âðåìÿ: 22.06.2013 06:03 |
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Ìóçûêàëüíûé âêóñ ó ìåíÿ äîâîëüíî òàêè êàïðèçíûé. Èç ìíîæåñòâî àêóñòè÷åñêèõ ïèàíèíî â ìóçûêàëüíîé øêîëå ÿ ïðåäïî÷èòàþ èãðàòü òîëüêî íà íåñêîëüêèõ .Ìóç ìàãàçèíû îòñóòñòâóþò ,à ñ þòóáîì áåäà . ß æèâó â Êèòàå . Çäåñü þòóá íå ðàáîòàåò , à äåìêè â íåòå íàéòè î÷åíü òðóäíî è êàê òî äåìêàì ÿ íå î÷åíü âåðþ. Ïî ìíå èäåàëüíûé ñïîñîá ñåñòü ïåðåä èíñòðóìåíòîì , ñàìîìó ïîèãðàòü êîìïîçèöèþ, è òîëüêî ñàì èçâëåêàÿ çâóêè ïîíèìàåøü òâîå ëè ýòî. Ïîýòîìó ñïðàøèâàþ ñîâåòû ëþäåé êîòîðûå ñàìè èãðàëè ñðàâíèâàëè ýòè èíñòðóìåíòû ñ àêóñòè÷åñêèì ïèàíèííîé èìåþò îïûò âûáîðà è âîîáùå îïûòà, êîòîðîãî ó ìåíÿ íåòó. Ïîñëå òîãî êàê áîëåå òî÷íî îïðåäåëþñü âàðèàíòàìè ñ ïîìîùüþ ôîðóì÷àí ,ïîåäó â äðóãîé ãîðîä ãäå åñòü ìóç ìàãàçèíû ñàì ïîèãðàþ è êóïëþ. Yamaha CLP 430/40 èëè 470/80 âû ïðîáîâàëè ? | |
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Òåìà: Re: Çàìåíà ïèàíèíî. Roland RD700, Yamaha S90ES, Roland FP-7F ,Roland FP-4F, Yamaha CLP-340/440 ,Yamaha P155
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Yamaha CLP 430. äåìî çâó÷àíèÿ èíñòðóìåíòîâ áûâàþò åù¸ è íà îôèöèàëüíûõ ñàéòàõ ïðîèçâîäèòåëåé | |
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Òåìà: Re: Çàìåíà ïèàíèíî. Roland RD700, Yamaha S90ES, Roland FP-7F ,Roland FP-4F, Yamaha CLP-340/440 ,Yamaha P155
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Yamaha CLP 430 èíòåðåñíûé âàðèàíò. Ñïàñèáî çà ïîìîùü. Äóìàþ, áóäåò ëó÷øå, ÷åì Yamaha P155 è êëàâèàòóðîé è çâóêîì. Ó íàñ Yamaha CLP 430 äîðîæå, ÷åì Yamaha P155 íî äåøåâëå ,÷åì Roland FP-4F. Èíòåðåñíî Roland FP-4F áóäåò ëó÷øå ? Ïî÷åìó Roland FP-4F äîðîæå? òîëüêî ÷òî ïîñìîòðåë ðîëèê. Ïî ìíå çâóê ñèíòåòèêè. Âèäåë ðîëèê ñ Yamaha S90ES . Ïî ìíå Yamaha S90ES çâó÷èò ðåàëèñòè÷íåå. Íî ïî ðîëèêàì òî÷íî íå ñêàæåøü. |
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Òåìà: Re: Çàìåíà ïèàíèíî. Roland RD700, Yamaha S90ES, Roland FP-7F ,Roland FP-4F, Yamaha CLP-340/440 ,Yamaha P155
Âðåìÿ: 22.06.2013 07:26 |
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Yamaha CLP 430 -- åñëè â ðåàëå çâó÷èò òàê êàê íà ýòîì ðîëèêå òî ìíå íå ïîäõîäèò . Yamaha CLP 480- çâó÷èò ëó÷øå ÷åì 430 . Ìåíüøå ñèíòåòèêè , áîëüøå æèâîãî çâóêà, ìåñòàìè çàìåòèë ðåçîíàíñ ñòðóí ,çâóê ÷åò÷å , ñîáðàííåå , èìååò ãëóáèíó ,íî âñå ðàâíî íå çàìåíà àêóñòèêå. Roland RD700- , Ìóçûêà íå òà , íå ìîãó îöåíèòü , âîò åñëè áû èãðàëè êëàññèêó òî ïîíÿë áû ìîå ëè ýòî .Ñâîåîáðàçíûé çâóê ïèàíèíî , íî ïðèÿòíûé. Îïðåäåëåííî ëó÷øå, ÷åì Yamaha CLP 430 .. Äëÿ ñðàâíåíèÿ äàííûé çâóê äëÿ ìåíÿ î÷åíü äåðçêèé , ïðèÿòíûé è âîçìîæíî äàæå èäåàëüíûé -- |
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Òåìà: Re: Çàìåíà ïèàíèíî. Roland RD700, Yamaha S90ES, Roland FP-7F ,Roland FP-4F, Yamaha CLP-340/440 ,Yamaha P155
Âðåìÿ: 22.06.2013 07:54 |
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Òåìà âñå åùå àêòóàëüíà. Yamaha CLP 480/470 ïîíðàâèëèñü. Íî ñëèøêîì áîëüøèå è òÿæåëûå . Ìíå áû æåëàòåëüíî èç òåõ ÷òî ìîæíî ïåðåíîñèòü ñ ñîáîé . ß æå íà Ðîäèíó òîæå âîçâðàùàþñü , à êàê æå íà Ðîäèíå áåç ìóçûêè òà. Ïðåäïî÷òåíèÿ îòäàþ Roland RD700SX, Yamaha S90ES, Yamaha CP300, Roland FP-7F , Roland FP-4F. Yamaha S90ES, Yamaha CP300 ñòîÿò ïî÷òè îäèíàêîâî , ïîýòîìó ÑÐ300 îòïàäàåò , òàê êàê S90ES ëó÷øå. Nord piano 2 ñëèøêîì äîðîãîå. Êàêèå åùå åñòü âàðèàíòû? ×òî áû âû âûáðàëè èç ïåðå÷èñëåííûõ è ïî÷åìó? |
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Òåìà: Re: Çàìåíà ïèàíèíî. Roland RD700, Yamaha S90ES, Roland FP-7F ,Roland FP-4F, Yamaha CLP-340/440 ,Yamaha P155
Âðåìÿ: 22.06.2013 08:44 |
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>çâóê DGX-640 äëÿ ìåíÿ ñðàâíèì , êàê î÷åíü íåêà÷åñòâåííàÿ ñèìóëÿöèÿ ,íîòû çâó÷àò íå òàê è ìóçûêà ïîëó÷àåòñÿ íå òà . íåòó íîðìàëüíîãî çâóêà ó ÿìàõè ... íå âåðèòå? Yamaha CLP-440 Obviously looped, both visibly and audibly over the lows and mids. - Loop sample lengths are fairly short and static sounding. - Attack sample lengths are (C1:C8): 2.0,2.0,1.8,1.7,1.6,1.2,0.8,? seconds. - Loop sample lengths are (C1:C8): 0.8,0.8,0.5,0.5,0.5,?,?,? seconds. - Fairly stretched, visible over the entire range, audible over lows & mids. - Stretch distances: 3,3,4(x3),2,4,3(x3),2,3(x3),2(x4),3,1,3,3,4,2,2,3, 5,4,3,3 = 30 groups. - Visual velocity layer switch @ vel=90,114. - Somewhat audible velocity layer switch @ vel=114. Yamaha DGX-640 Obviously looped, both visibly and audibly over the lows and mids. - Loop sample lengths are fairly short and audible over the lows and mids. - Attack sample lengths are (C1:C8): 2.3,2.2,1.6,1.6,1.2,1.1,? seconds. - Loop sample lengths are (C1:C8): 0.7,0.5,0.5,0.45,?,0.3,? seconds. - Very stretched, visible over the entire range, audible over lows & mids. - Stretch distances: 2,3,3,6,3(x23),5 = 28 groups. - This is most likely a single layer sample set. âñå ñåìïëû ÿìàõ èç îäíîãî äåøåâîãî ôëàêîíà .... çû íà äàííûé ìîìåíò êîðã êðîíîñ èìååò ëó÷øèé çâóê ñðåäè öèôðîïüÿí 
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Òåìà: Re: Çàìåíà ïèàíèíî. Roland RD700, Yamaha S90ES, Roland FP-7F ,Roland FP-4F, Yamaha CLP-340/440 ,Yamaha P155
Âðåìÿ: 22.06.2013 16:17 |
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>Roland FP-7F È òåìà áûëà, è ññûëêó äàâàë, íî âîò åù¸ ðàç: |
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Òåìà: Re: Çàìåíà ïèàíèíî. Roland RD700, Yamaha S90ES, Roland FP-7F ,Roland FP-4F, Yamaha CLP-340/440 ,Yamaha P155
Âðåìÿ: 22.06.2013 18:56 |
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ó ìåíÿ åñòü 2 õîðîøèõ çàìåíèòåëÿ ïèàíèíî: 1. ENSONIQ KT-88 (ìîëîòî÷êîâàÿ êëàâèàòóðà 88 êë, îòë.ñîñò, ñäåëàíà ïîëíàÿ ïðîôèëàêòèêà) - 24900 ðóá (î í¸ì - ) 2. ALESIS QS8.1 (âòîðîå ïîêîëåíèå QS, 88 êëàâèø ñ ìîëîòêàìè, îòë.ñîñò) - 28900 ðóá Çâîíèòå: 8-926-21O5542, Ìèõàèë (ìîáèëüíûé â ìîñêâå, êðóãëîñóòî÷íî.) |
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Òåìà: Re: Çàìåíà ïèàíèíî. Roland RD700, Yamaha S90ES, Roland FP-7F ,Roland FP-4F, Yamaha CLP-340/440 ,Yamaha P155
Âðåìÿ: 22.06.2013 19:06 |
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>Roland FP-7F Îëåã, âû ðåêîìåíäóåòå Roland FP-7F , êàê íàèáîëåå ëó÷øàÿ çàìåíà ïèàíèíî? À êàê íàñ÷åò Roland RD700SX ? À òî ðàçíèöà â öåíå íå áîëüøàÿ , íî ôóíêöèîíàë Roland RD700SX áîëüøå. Ïî âàøåìó êàêèå ìèíóñó è ïëþñû ìåæäó ýòèìè äâóìÿ ìîäåëÿìè îòíîñèòåëüíî äðóã äðóãà ? Ñïàñèáî çà ïîìîùü . |
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Òåìà: Re: âñå ñåìïëû ÿìàõ èç îäíîãî äåøåâîãî ôëàêîíà ....
Âðåìÿ: 23.06.2013 22:35 |
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Íèæíåêðàôòâåðêñê Òðè «ÿìàõè» ó îêíà 
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Íå ïîêóïàéòå äåø¸âûå ïîääåëêè – ïîêóïàéòå äîðîãèå. [Á] |
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Òåìà: Re: Çàìåíà ïèàíèíî. Roland RD700, Yamaha S90ES, Roland FP-7F ,Roland FP-4F, Yamaha CLP-340/440 ,Yamaha P155
Âðåìÿ: 23.06.2013 22:51 |
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ãóãëîïåðåâîä  ïðèâåäåííîì íèæå ïðèìåðå âû óñëûøèòå ïÿòü ôðàç ñ ïåðâûì èç êîòîðûõ Kronos íåìåöêîì Ãðàí ïîñëåäóþùèì Roland Óëó÷øåííûé Ãðàíä. Îáà áûëè êîðìèòü èäåíòè÷íû MIDI ôàéë äàííûõ. Èñïîëüçîâàëèñü íàñòðîéêè ïî óìîë÷àíèþ íà îáîèõ. Ôðàçû áûëè ñûãðàíû âî âðåìÿ ïðîñëóøèâàíèÿ RD300GX. Âîò ìîè íàáëþäåíèÿ: Kronos çâó÷èò êàê âûñîêîå êà÷åñòâî çàïèñè / âûáîðêè ôîðòåïèàíî; Roland çâó÷èò êàê öèôðîâîå ïèàíèíî / ROMpler-ýòî çâó÷èò èñêóññòâåííî. Kronos äîëæíûì îáðàçîì ïðåðûâàåò ôðàçà äèíàìèêè; Roland íåò, è âîñïðèíèìàåòñÿ êàê èìåþùèå ñæàòûé äèíàìè÷åñêèé äèàïàçîí (ïåðâûé è ïîñëåäíèé ôðàçû ëó÷øå âñåãî äëÿ ýòîé íàáëþäåíèå). Âî âòîðîì ïðèìåðå (îêàçûâàþòñÿ çâåçäû) Kronos äåëàåò çàìå÷àòåëüíóþ ðàáîòó âîñïðîèçâåäåíèÿ ýòèõ áîãàòûõ ãàðìîíèé; Roland çâó÷èò æåñòêî è ñðåäíåãî ñòðîéíûé. Ãàðìîíèè çâóêà ñìóùåí è íè÷åãî, íî áîãàòîé è êðàñèâîé. (ÈÌÎ, íåñïîñîáíîñòü ïðàâèëüíî âîñïðîèçâîäèòü áîëåå ñëîæíûå ãàðìîíèè â ýòîì äèàïàçîíå Àõèëëåñ èñöåëåíèå êàæäîãî öèôðîâîãî ïèàíèíî ÿ êîãäà-ëèáî èãðàë).  ïåðâîì è îñîáåííî ÷åòâåðòûé Íàïðèìåð, ìîæíî ÿñíî óñëûøàòü èñêóññòâåííûå îáðàçöû êîíâåðòîâ è ïåòëè íà Roland (î÷åíü ïëîõî â ÷åòâåðòîì ïðèìåðå). 
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Òåìà: Re: Çàìåíà ïèàíèíî. Roland RD700, Yamaha S90ES, Roland FP-7F ,Roland FP-4F, Yamaha CLP-340/440 ,Yamaha P155
Âðåìÿ: 24.06.2013 01:49 |
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Ïîñëóøàë äåìêè íà îôôñàéòå Roland FP-7F è Roland RD700SX . Íà ïèàíèíî ÿ ðàçíèöû íå çàìåòèë. Ñêîðåå âñåãî ïèàíèíî ó íèõ ñîâåðøåííà îäèíàêîâàÿ , íà îäíèõ è òåõ æå äâèæêàõ , Roland RD700SX äîðîæå èç çà êîë-âî òåìáðîâ. Ýòî ñóäÿ ïî äåìêàì íà ñàéòå. Ìîæåò íà ïðàêòèêå ïî-äðóãîìó áóäåò. | |
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Òåìà: Re:Kronos çâó÷èò êàê âûñîêîå êà÷åñòâî çàïèñè / âûáîðêè ôîðòåïèàíî; Roland çâó÷èò êàê öèôðîâîå ïèàíèíî
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ýëåêòðîãóñëè , èìååòñÿ ââèäó KORG KRONOS X-88 ? | |
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Òåìà: Re: Çàìåíà ïèàíèíî. Roland RD700, Yamaha S90ES, Roland FP-7F ,Roland FP-4F, Yamaha CLP-340/440 ,Yamaha P155
Âðåìÿ: 24.06.2013 08:24 |
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Îìñê Nord Stage 2 HA76, MacBook Pro. 
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>Ïîñëóøàë äåìêè íà îôôñàéòå Roland FP-7F è Roland RD700SX . Íà ïèàíèíî ÿ ðàçíèöû íå çàìåòèë. Ñêîðåå âñåãî ïèàíèíî ó íèõ ñîâåðøåííà îäèíàêîâàÿ , íà îäíèõ è òåõ æå äâèæêàõ , Roland RD700SX äîðîæå èç çà êîë-âî òåìáðîâ. Ýòî ñóäÿ ïî äåìêàì íà ñàéòå. Ìîæåò íà ïðàêòèêå ïî-äðóãîìó áóäåò. RD-700SX âûïóùåíî äî òîãî êàê ðîëàíä ñòàë ãîâîðèòü î super natural, íî â íåì åñòü íàñòðîéêè îòêðûòèÿ/çàêðûòèÿ êðûøêè ðîÿëÿ, íåñêîëüêî âàðèàíòîâ ðåçîíàíñà ñòðóí è íåñêîëüêî âàðèàíòîâ ñòðîÿ. Ìîæíî ïîèãðàòüñÿ ñ íàñòðîéêàìè åñëè èíòåðåñíî. Íî ñêîëüêî íè íàñòðàèâàé íà ðîÿëü âñå ðàâíî ïîõîæå íå áóäåò. Ïîòîìó ÷òî ÷òîáû áûëî ïîõîæå íóæíî ðîÿëü ïîñòàâèòü â çàãëóøåííóþ ñòóäèþ è ñíÿòü åãî çâóê ìèêðîôîíàìè è ñëóøàòü â íàóøíèêàõ èç äðóãîãî ïîìåùåíèÿ. Òîãäà áóäåò î÷åíü ïîõîæå. Âñå ðàâíî ó âàñ íå áóäåò îùóùåíèÿ ÷òî âû èãðàåòå íà íàñòîÿùåì ðîÿëå èëè ïèàíèíî à íå íà öèôðîâîì èíñòðóìåíòå. Óäà÷íîãî âûáîðà. |
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Òåìà: Re: Çàìåíà ïèàíèíî. Roland RD700, Yamaha S90ES, Roland FP-7F ,Roland FP-4F, Yamaha CLP-340/440 ,Yamaha P155
Âðåìÿ: 24.06.2013 08:27 |
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Îìñê Nord Stage 2 HA76, MacBook Pro.
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>http://thekronosblog.blogspot.com/2011/10/compari ng-sgx-1-to-roland-superior.htm...d-superior.html >ãóãëîïåðåâîä > ïðèâåäåííîì íèæå ïðèìåðå âû óñëûøèòå ïÿòü ôðàç ñ ïåðâûì èç êîòîðûõ Kronos íåìåöêîì Ãðàí ïîñëåäóþùèì Roland Óëó÷øåííûé Ãðàíä. Îáà áûëè êîðìèòü èäåíòè÷íû MIDI ôàéë äàííûõ. Èñïîëüçîâàëèñü íàñòðîéêè ïî óìîë÷àíèþ íà îáîèõ. Ôðàçû áûëè ñûãðàíû âî âðåìÿ ïðîñëóøèâàíèÿ RD300GX. >Âîò ìîè íàáëþäåíèÿ: >Kronos çâó÷èò êàê âûñîêîå êà÷åñòâî çàïèñè / âûáîðêè ôîðòåïèàíî; Roland çâó÷èò êàê öèôðîâîå ïèàíèíî / ROMpler-ýòî çâó÷èò èñêóññòâåííî. >Kronos äîëæíûì îáðàçîì ïðåðûâàåò ôðàçà äèíàìèêè; Roland íåò, è âîñïðèíèìàåòñÿ êàê èìåþùèå ñæàòûé äèíàìè÷åñêèé äèàïàçîí (ïåðâûé è ïîñëåäíèé ôðàçû ëó÷øå âñåãî äëÿ ýòîé íàáëþäåíèå). >Âî âòîðîì ïðèìåðå (îêàçûâàþòñÿ çâåçäû) Kronos äåëàåò çàìå÷àòåëüíóþ ðàáîòó âîñïðîèçâåäåíèÿ ýòèõ áîãàòûõ ãàðìîíèé; Roland çâó÷èò æåñòêî è ñðåäíåãî ñòðîéíûé. Ãàðìîíèè çâóêà ñìóùåí è íè÷åãî, íî áîãàòîé è êðàñèâîé. (ÈÌÎ, íåñïîñîáíîñòü ïðàâèëüíî âîñïðîèçâîäèòü áîëåå ñëîæíûå ãàðìîíèè â ýòîì äèàïàçîíå Àõèëëåñ èñöåëåíèå êàæäîãî öèôðîâîãî ïèàíèíî ÿ êîãäà-ëèáî èãðàë). > ïåðâîì è îñîáåííî ÷åòâåðòûé Íàïðèìåð, ìîæíî ÿñíî óñëûøàòü èñêóññòâåííûå îáðàçöû êîíâåðòîâ è ïåòëè íà Roland (î÷åíü ïëîõî â ÷åòâåðòîì ïðèìåðå). >http://www.purgatorycreek.com/downloads/K-RComp.w av Johnny, la gente esta muy loca, What the f*ck!? |
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Òåìà: Re: Çàìåíà ïèàíèíî. Roland RD700, Yamaha S90ES, Roland FP-7F ,Roland FP-4F, Yamaha CLP-340/440 ,Yamaha P155
Âðåìÿ: 24.06.2013 08:34 |
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ãäå-òî íà þãå àñ Roland FP-10, CME XKey 37, Ibanez TMB100M, ROLI Lightpad Block, 
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>What the f*ck!? Øèçîôàçèÿ ó íåãî, íå îáðàùàé âèíìàíèÿ 
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Âñå, íàïèñàííîå â ýòîé êíèãå, ìîæåò îêàçàòüñÿ íåïðàâäîé...
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Òåìà: Re: Çàìåíà ïèàíèíî. Roland RD700, Yamaha S90ES, Roland FP-7F ,Roland FP-4F, Yamaha CLP-340/440 ,Yamaha P155
Âðåìÿ: 24.06.2013 08:49 |
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Budapest (Hungar ÐÑ3, K-Station, Squier Standard strat è ò.ä.
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>ýëåêòðîãóñëè , èìååòñÿ ââèäó KORG KRONOS X-88 ? êðîíîñ áåç èêñ |
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Òåìà: Re: Çàìåíà ïèàíèíî. Roland RD700, Yamaha S90ES, Roland FP-7F ,Roland FP-4F, Yamaha CLP-340/440 ,Yamaha P155
Âðåìÿ: 24.06.2013 09:15 |
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Budapest (Hungar ÐÑ3, K-Station, Squier Standard strat è ò.ä.
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1ìèí10ñåê êîðã , 1,20 ðîëàíä - ÷òî áîëüøå ïîõîæå íà ðîÿëü ? òî æå ìíå "ïåàíèñòû" , ìëÿ ! |
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Òåìà: Re: Çàìåíà ïèàíèíî. Roland RD700, Yamaha S90ES, Roland FP-7F ,Roland FP-4F, Yamaha CLP-340/440 ,Yamaha P155
Âðåìÿ: 24.06.2013 10:20 |
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Îìñê Nord Stage 2 HA76, MacBook Pro.
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>http://www.purgatorycreek.com/downloads/K-RComp.w av >1ìèí10ñåê êîðã , 1,20 ðîëàíä - ÷òî áîëüøå ïîõîæå íà ðîÿëü ? >òî æå ìíå "ïåàíèñòû" , ìëÿ ! Äà îäèíàêîâî âñå çâó÷èò - êàê ýêâàëàéçåð âûêðóòèøü - òàê è áóäåò. ß êîãäà íà ðîëàíäå èãðàë ìíå íå îäèí çâóêà÷ ãîâîðèë ÷òî ðîÿëü êëàññíûé òîëüêî â îáëàñòè 450-500 Ãö íóæíî ÷óòü âûðåçàòü. Êñòàòè îäèí ðàç â àðàíæèðîâêå ñäåëàííîé íà òðèòîíå ýêñòðèì çàìåíèëè íà RD-700SX çâóêè ðîÿëÿ (êîòîðûé ¹1) è áàñà ( chorus bass êàæåòñÿ ). È òîæå çâóêà÷ ðåçàë 450-500 Ãö, íî ñêàçàë ÷òî ðîÿëü â ðîëàíäå ëó÷øå ÷åì â ýêñòðèìå. Óæ íåçíàþ ÷òî òàì â ýêñòðèìå çà ðîÿëè íî êîðãè ìåíÿ íèêîãäà íå âäîõíîâëÿëè ïî ÷àñòè àêóñòè÷åñêèõ èíñòðóìåíòîâ. Õîòÿ àðàíæèðîâêè â äóõå áðèòíè ñïèðñ è áîéç áýíäîâ íà íèõ äåëàòü î÷åíü õîðîøî ïîëó÷àåòñÿ. Ó ìåëàäçå òàê ãîëèìûé êîðã âñþ äîðîãó è íîðìàëüíî , ó Ëåïñà òîæå ìåñòàìè
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Òåìà: Re: Çàìåíà ïèàíèíî. Roland RD700, Yamaha S90ES, Roland FP-7F ,Roland FP-4F, Yamaha CLP-340/440 ,Yamaha P155
Âðåìÿ: 24.06.2013 10:30 |
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Budapest (Hungar ÐÑ3, K-Station, Squier Standard strat è ò.ä.
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>Äà îäèíàêîâî âñå çâó÷èò - êàê ýêâàëàéçåð âûêðóòèøü - òàê è áóäåò. >Óæ íåçíàþ ÷òî òàì â ýêñòðèìå çà ðîÿëè íî êîðãè ìåíÿ íèêîãäà ìäààà ....â ýêñòðèìå 16ìá ðîÿëü .... â êðîíîñå áåñïðåöåäåíòíûé äëÿ æåëåçÿê ïÿòèãèãîâûé ñòåéíâåé ñ åñòåñòâåííûì áåçëóïîâûì çàòóõàíèåì è ïåðåëèâîì îáåðòîíîâ ... â ðîëàíäå çàêîëüöîâàííûé æóææàùèé ëóï ... íåóæåëè íå ñëûøíî ? .... íó äà ëàäíî, íåêîòîðûì è p95 - ïèàíèíà
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Òåìà: Re: â ðîëàíäå çàêîëüöîâàííûé æóææàùèé ëóï ...
Âðåìÿ: 24.06.2013 10:35 |
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Íèæíåêðàôòâåðêñê Òðè «ÿìàõè» ó îêíà
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"Êîðã" åù¸ ñ 60-õ ãîäîâ çàìåíèë íàñòîÿùèå îðãàííûå òðóáû íà ýëåêòðèêó, äà âäîáàâîê íà îáðåçàííóþ, 110-âîëüòîâóþ. | |
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Òåìà: Re: íåóæåëè íå ñëûøíî ?
Âðåìÿ: 24.06.2013 10:42 |
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Íèæíåêðàôòâåðêñê Òðè «ÿìàõè» ó îêíà
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Ò¸ïëûé Ëàìïîâûé Çâóê òàêîé ò¸ïëûé, ÷òî äàæå ìÿãêèé. | |
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Òåìà: Re: Çàìåíà ïèàíèíî. Roland RD700, Yamaha S90ES, Roland FP-7F ,Roland FP-4F, Yamaha CLP-340/440 ,Yamaha P155
Âðåìÿ: 24.06.2013 10:46 |
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Budapest (Hungar ÐÑ3, K-Station, Squier Standard strat è ò.ä.
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>Ò¸ïëûé Ëàìïîâûé Çâóê òàêîé ò¸ïëûé, ÷òî äàæå ìÿãêèé. Âîò êàê ÒÑ îõàðàêòåðèçîâàë ïñðêó - çâóê DGX-640 äëÿ ìåíÿ ñðàâíèì , êàê î÷åíü íåêà÷åñòâåííàÿ ñèìóëÿöèÿ ,íîòû çâó÷àò íå òàê è ìóçûêà ïîëó÷àåòñÿ íå òà . çíà÷èò - óÕè íà ìåñòå )
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Òåìà: Re: íîòû çâó÷àò íå òàê è ìóçûêà ïîëó÷àåòñÿ íå òà
Âðåìÿ: 24.06.2013 11:05 |
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Íèæíåêðàôòâåðêñê Òðè «ÿìàõè» ó îêíà
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Íåïðàâèëüíûå ï÷¸ëû. Ïÿòà÷îê, ñòðåëÿé. | |
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Òåìà: Re: Çàìåíà ïèàíèíî. Roland RD700, Yamaha S90ES, Roland FP-7F ,Roland FP-4F, Yamaha CLP-340/440 ,Yamaha P155
Âðåìÿ: 24.06.2013 11:25 |
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«Think Different»
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>Íåïðàâèëüíûå ï÷¸ëû.Ïÿòà÷îê, ñòðåëÿé. )) -Êîíå÷íî,Âèííè,ýòî æå ìóõè! |
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Ïðè ìíîãîêðàòíîì òåñòå àíàëîã vs öèôða îêàçàëîñü,
÷òî êà÷åñòâåííûé öèôðîâîé çâóê îò êà÷åñòâåííîãî àíàëîãîâî îòëè÷èòü ñìîãëè íå ñïåöèàëèñòû, à òîëüêî îñöèëëîãðàô..) |
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Òåìà: Re: Çàìåíà ïèàíèíî. Roland RD700, Yamaha S90ES, Roland FP-7F ,Roland FP-4F, Yamaha CLP-340/440 ,Yamaha P155
Âðåìÿ: 24.06.2013 11:28 |
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Budapest (Hungar ÐÑ3, K-Station, Squier Standard strat è ò.ä.
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>-Êîíå÷íî,Âèííè,ýòî æå ìóõè! òî÷íî! ýòî ææææææææææ â ðîëàíäå è â ÿìàõå íåñïðîñòà íåôèã ýêîíîìèòü êîïåéêè íà ïàìÿòü äëÿ ñåìïëîâ
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Òåìà: Re: Çàìåíà ïèàíèíî. Roland RD700, Yamaha S90ES, Roland FP-7F ,Roland FP-4F, Yamaha CLP-340/440 ,Yamaha P155
Âðåìÿ: 24.06.2013 11:40 |
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Budapest (Hungar ÐÑ3, K-Station, Squier Standard strat è ò.ä.
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íà 1ìèí10ñåê êîðã , íà 1,20 ðîëàíä - ÷òî áîëüøå ïîõîæå íà ðîÿëü ? ìíå âñå æå èíòåðåñíî ìíåíèå TC, ò.ê ñ êîëëåêòèâíûì ìíåíèåì çäåøíåãî ïëàíêòîíà ÿ ñëèøêîì õîðîøî çíàêîì))) |
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Òåìà: Re: Çàìåíà ïèàíèíî. Roland RD700, Yamaha S90ES, Roland FP-7F ,Roland FP-4F, Yamaha CLP-340/440 ,Yamaha P155
Âðåìÿ: 24.06.2013 11:42 |
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«Think Different»
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>>-Êîíå÷íî,Âèííè,ýòî æå ìóõè! >òî÷íî! ýòî ææææææææææ â ðîëàíäå è â ÿìàõå íåñïðîñòà Ðàñïèàðèëè ãàçåòû áóëüâàðíûå ìóõå-ÿìàøêå,ïðåëåñòè ñëîíèêà-êîðæà Âûøëà ìóõà-ÿìàøêà çàìóæ çà ñëîíà-êîðãà. À ñëîíèê-êîðæèê âçÿë è óìåð íà ñëåäóþùèé äåíü. Ìóõà-ÿìàõà ïëà÷åò,à äðóçüÿ-ðîëàíäû/êóðöû/íîðäû óñïîêàèâàþò - ÷åãî ïëàêàòü òî?Æèëè òî Âû âñåãî îäèí äåíü? À ìóõå-ÿìàøêà ñëåçàìè óëèâàåòñÿ: àõà...æèëè òî äåíü,à çàêàïûâàòü òåïåðü ìíå ñëîíèêà-êîðæèêà âñþ æèçíü  Íå ïëà÷ü ìóõà-ÿìàøêà...ïîìîæåì...åãî,âèðòóàëüíîãî,ìû íà ñêîðîå âèðòóàëüíîå êëàäáèùå....)) |
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Ïðè ìíîãîêðàòíîì òåñòå àíàëîã vs öèôða îêàçàëîñü,
÷òî êà÷åñòâåííûé öèôðîâîé çâóê îò êà÷åñòâåííîãî àíàëîãîâî îòëè÷èòü ñìîãëè íå ñïåöèàëèñòû, à òîëüêî îñöèëëîãðàô..) |
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Òåìà: Re: Çàìåíà ïèàíèíî. Roland RD700, Yamaha S90ES, Roland FP-7F ,Roland FP-4F, Yamaha CLP-340/440 ,Yamaha P155
Âðåìÿ: 24.06.2013 11:49 |
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«Think Different»
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>ò.ê ñ êîëëåêòèâíûì ìíåíèåì çäåøíåãî ïëàíêòîíà ÿ ñëèøêîì õîðîøî çíàêîì))) Êîãäà íà âåñü êîëëåêòèâ,òî ýòî óæå "ïåðåõîä ãðàíè". Çà ýòî ãîíÿò ñ ôîðóìà. Ñèè ñëîâà ìîè ñåðü¸çíû. Ãîâîðè äà íå çàãîâàðèâàéñÿ,ýëåêòðîâåíèê. |
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Ïðè ìíîãîêðàòíîì òåñòå àíàëîã vs öèôða îêàçàëîñü,
÷òî êà÷åñòâåííûé öèôðîâîé çâóê îò êà÷åñòâåííîãî àíàëîãîâî îòëè÷èòü ñìîãëè íå ñïåöèàëèñòû, à òîëüêî îñöèëëîãðàô..) |
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Òåìà: Re: Çàìåíà ïèàíèíî. Roland RD700, Yamaha S90ES, Roland FP-7F ,Roland FP-4F, Yamaha CLP-340/440 ,Yamaha P155
Âðåìÿ: 24.06.2013 12:15 |
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Budapest (Hungar ÐÑ3, K-Station, Squier Standard strat è ò.ä.
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à òû ñåáÿ íå îòîæäåñòâëÿé ñ êîëëåêòèâîì! çäåñü åñòü ìûñëÿùèå ãðàìîòíûå ëþäè .... à êîëëåêòèâíîñòü ìíåíèÿ ïðîÿìàõîâñêîãî ïëàíêòîíà âûãëÿäèò òàê : ÊÎÐÃ??? ÍÅ ×ÈÒÀË, ÍÎ ÎÑÓÆÄÀÞ! )
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Òåìà: Re: Çàìåíà ïèàíèíî. Roland RD700, Yamaha S90ES, Roland FP-7F ,Roland FP-4F, Yamaha CLP-340/440 ,Yamaha P155
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«Think Different»
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Íå âèëÿé,è íå þëè... Ïîõîæå ñòðóñèë,"ìûñëÿùèé" îäíîé êîðãîìûñëüþ. Çà ñëîâà ñâîè îòâå÷àé,ïèîíåð..... |
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Ïðè ìíîãîêðàòíîì òåñòå àíàëîã vs öèôða îêàçàëîñü,
÷òî êà÷åñòâåííûé öèôðîâîé çâóê îò êà÷åñòâåííîãî àíàëîãîâî îòëè÷èòü ñìîãëè íå ñïåöèàëèñòû, à òîëüêî îñöèëëîãðàô..) |
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Òåìà: Re: Çàìåíà ïèàíèíî. Roland RD700, Yamaha S90ES, Roland FP-7F ,Roland FP-4F, Yamaha CLP-340/440 ,Yamaha P155
Âðåìÿ: 24.06.2013 12:26 |
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Budapest (Hungar ÐÑ3, K-Station, Squier Standard strat è ò.ä.
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íå áóäó þëèòü - òû íå îòíîñèøüñÿ ê êàòåãîðèè ìûñëÿùèõ ãðàìîòíûõ ëþäåé .... ) | |
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Òåìà: Re: Çàìåíà ïèàíèíî. Roland RD700, Yamaha S90ES, Roland FP-7F ,Roland FP-4F, Yamaha CLP-340/440 ,Yamaha P155
Âðåìÿ: 24.06.2013 13:10 |
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Íèæíåêðàôòâåðêñê Òðè «ÿìàõè» ó îêíà
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Ñåíÿ, íåáûäëî – ýòî íåàêòóàëüíî. "Îñòðîâ íåïëàíêòîíà"! Áà-áà-áà-áà-áà, áà, áà-áà, áà, Çàáàçà-áàçàáà-çàáàçà-áàçàáà, Îéå, áè÷å-âàó-å! |
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Òåìà: Re: Çàìåíà ïèàíèíî. Roland RD700, Yamaha S90ES, Roland FP-7F ,Roland FP-4F, Yamaha CLP-340/440 ,Yamaha P155
Âðåìÿ: 24.06.2013 13:45 |
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«Think Different»
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"Ñåíå" áû ê ìóçîïàòîëîãó....ãîâîðÿò òàêîé âðà÷ ïîÿâèëñÿ,äëÿ òåõ êòî îò "çàóæåííîñòè" çàãóäåë...)) | |
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Ïðè ìíîãîêðàòíîì òåñòå àíàëîã vs öèôða îêàçàëîñü,
÷òî êà÷åñòâåííûé öèôðîâîé çâóê îò êà÷åñòâåííîãî àíàëîãîâî îòëè÷èòü ñìîãëè íå ñïåöèàëèñòû, à òîëüêî îñöèëëîãðàô..) |
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Òåìà: Re: Çàìåíà ïèàíèíî. Roland RD700, Yamaha S90ES, Roland FP-7F ,Roland FP-4F, Yamaha CLP-340/440 ,Yamaha P155
Âðåìÿ: 24.06.2013 15:47 |
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Îìñê Nord Stage 2 HA76, MacBook Pro.
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>http://www.purgatorycreek.com/downloads/K-RComp.w av >íà 1ìèí10ñåê êîðã , íà 1,20 ðîëàíä - ÷òî áîëüøå ïîõîæå íà ðîÿëü ? >ìíå âñå æå èíòåðåñíî ìíåíèå TC, >ò.ê ñ êîëëåêòèâíûì ìíåíèåì çäåøíåãî ïëàíêòîíà ÿ ñëèøêîì õîðîøî çíàêîì))) Òû âîîáùå äóìàåøü êòî òû? Ïðèíöåññà? |
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Òåìà: Re: Çàìåíà ïèàíèíî. Roland RD700, Yamaha S90ES, Roland FP-7F ,Roland FP-4F, Yamaha CLP-340/440 ,Yamaha P155
Âðåìÿ: 24.06.2013 19:01 |
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Budapest (Hungar ÐÑ3, K-Station, Squier Standard strat è ò.ä.
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ïðèíöåññà, òâîå ìíåíèå ÿ çíàþ .... òåïåðü õî÷ó ïîñëóøàòü òñ ôëóäèòü òîëüêî ïîñëå åãî îòâåòà
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Òåìà: Re: Çàìåíà ïèàíèíî. Roland RD700, Yamaha S90ES, Roland FP-7F ,Roland FP-4F, Yamaha CLP-340/440 ,Yamaha P155
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Yamaha PSR-323 , Yamaha DGX-640
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íà 1ìèí10ñåê êîðã , íà 1,20 ðîëàíä - ÷òî áîëüøå ïîõîæå íà ðîÿëü ? ìíå âñå æå èíòåðåñíî ìíåíèå TC, ïðèíöåññà, òâîå ìíåíèå ÿ çíàþ .... òåïåðü õî÷ó ïîñëóøàòü òñ ôëóäèòü òîëüêî ïîñëå åãî îòâåòà Èçâèíÿþñü ÷òî çàñòàâèë äîëãî æäàòü ìîåãî îòâåòà.  ïðîìåæóòêå íà êîðã (01:07-01:15) ðîëàíä (01:20-01:30) ðîëàíä çâó÷èò çàìåòíî ëó÷øå. Çâóê áîëåå âçðîñëûé , äîðîãîé, ðåàëèñòè÷åí , ïðèÿòåí íà ñëóõ. Ñëóøàÿ ìîæíî ñäåëàòü âûâîä ÷òî êîðã áîëåå äåøåâîå óñòðîéñòâî è çâó÷èò äåøåâëå. Ïîñëå 01:30 Ðîëàíä çâó÷èò ýëåêòðîííî , ìåíåå âûðàçèòåëüíî, ìåíåå åñòåñòâåííî. ñèëüíî çàìåòåí ýëåêòðè÷åñêèé çâóê. Òóò óæå êîðã âûèãðûâàåò ó ðîëàíäà. Êîíå÷íî ýòî íà ìîé ñëóõ. Âîîáùå ÿ ÇÀÌÅÒÈÒÜ òàêóþ âåùü . Ýëåêòðîííûé çàìåíèòåëè èíñòðóìåíòîâ , áóäü ýòî ñèíòåçàòîð , èëè öèôðîâîå ïèàíèíî , áîëåå ìåíåå íîðìàëüíî çâó÷àò íà ñðåäíèõ ÷àñòîòàõ. Ïðîáëåìû íà÷èíàþòñÿ íà íèçêèõ è âûñîêèõ ÷àñòîòàõ. Óñòðîéñòâà èç äåøåâîé öåíîâîé êàòåãîðèè ïëîõî çâó÷èò è íà íèçêèõ è íà âåðõíèõ , óñòðîéñòâà ñðåäíåé öåíîâîé êàòåãîðèè óäîâëåòâîðèòåëüíî çâó÷èò íà ñðåäíèõ íî ïðîáëåìû èëè ñ íèçêèìè èëè ñ âûñîêèìè. Èç äîðîãîé êàòåãîðèè õîðîøî íà ñðåäíèõ è ñ õàðàêòåðîì òî íà íèçêèõ òî íà âûñîêèõ . Îïèøóñü ïðî ñâîé Yamaha DGX640. Çâó÷àíèå íà ñðåäíèõ è íèçêèõ ÷àñòîòàõ ñîéäåò è äàæå óäîâëåòâîðèòåëüíî äëÿ ñâîåé öåíîâîé êàòåãîðèè .Ãîäèòñÿ äëÿ ïåðâîãî èíñòðóìåíòà äëÿ îáó÷åíèÿ , åñëè áû âñþ êàðòèíó íå ïîðòèëè íèçêèå. Òóò ñòîèò ãóë. Ðåàëüíûé ãóë. Íàæèìàÿ íåæíî íà êëàâèøè âû ïîëó÷àåòå â ïîëíåå ïðèåìëåìûå ìóòíûå íîòû ñ ãóëîì â êîíöå . Êàðòèíà âûãëÿäèò òàê: Äîãóë Ðåãóë Ìèãóë Ôàãóë . Åñëè æå íàæàòü íà êëàâèøè ÷óòü ñèëüíåå òî : Äãóëëë Ðãóëëë Ôãóëëë Ìãóëëë. Åñëè åùå ñèëüíåå äÃóëëëë ðÃóëëë ìÃóëëë ÄÓì äóì òàê òóê ñòóêè ïî ÿìàõà êóëàêàìè, ìàò â âèäå ïåíèÿ , ÿïîíñêîå ä ðìî è èñïîð÷åííûå íåðâû è îñêîðáëåííûé ñëóõ .Ìîæíî çàìåòíî óëó÷øèòü çâóê , åñëè ñëóøàòü ÷åðåç íàóøíèêè ,à íå ÷åðåç âñòðîåííóþ àêóñòèêó . Ãóëà ñòàíîâèòñÿ ìåíüøå. Ñ Sennheiser HD202 çâóê íîðìàëüíûé, íåéòðàëüíûé , ìåíüøå ãóäèò ,íî âñå ðàâíî ãóäèò. Ñ Westone UM3rc çâóê íåæíåå, ãóëà åùå ìåíüøå , íî òóò ïîëó÷àåì ñûðûå íåêà÷åñòâåííûå çâóêè , ïîëó÷àåì ñèëüíî âûðàæåííûå íå òî÷íûå íîòû. Òàê êàê àðìàòóðíûå íàóøíèêè áîëåå äåòàëüíî ïåðåäàþò çâóê è ïîêàçûâàþò îãðåõè .  òàêîé âàðèàöèè Yamaha DGX640 íèêîìó íå ðåêîìåíäóþ. Òàê êàê ïîêóïêó åãî âèæó íåöåëåñîîáðàçíûì . Äëÿ ó÷åáû îí áûñòðî íàäîåñò, à ñî ìíîé âîîáùå ñ ïåðâûõ äíåé íå ïðèæèëñÿ. Èãðàòü íà íåì íóæíî íåæíî , íå íàæèìàòü íà êëàâèøè àãðåññèâíî è áûñòðî , â ÷åì êàæåòñÿ è åñòü çàñëóãà êëàâèàòóðû GHS. Êàæåòñÿ ÷òî îí ìåíåå ñòóïåí÷àòûé ,ìåíåå ÷óâñòâèòåëåí . Íàæèìàåøü è âäðóã ðåçêîå óâåëè÷åíèå óñèëèÿ è ãóë . Åãî ìîæíî êóïèòü äëÿ ó÷åáû òîëüêî â òîì ñëó÷àè åñëè âû íå óâåðåíû ÷òî æåëàíèå èãðàòü ó âàñ íà äîëãî è âû âîçìîæíî ñêîðî çàáðîñèòå .  ïðîòèâíîì ñëó÷àè äàííûé èíñòðóìåíò èñïîðòèòü âêóñ ðåáåíêà. Èãðàÿ íà íåì ÿ ÷àñòî îñòàíàâëèâàþñü « ÷òî ýòî áûëî? ß íå òóäà íàæàë? À íåò , ýòî ïðîñòî 640 òàê çâó÷èò» ( òîëüêî íà íèçêèõ) èíûìè ñëîâàìè 640 ôàëüøèâèò . Èãðàòü íà íåì ñòðàñòíî ñ àãðåññèåé íè êàê íå ïîëó÷àåòñÿ . Ìîé ïîñò ìîå ñóáúåêòèâíî ëè÷íîå ìíåíèå , îñíîâûâàåòñÿ íà ìîé âêóñ íà ìîé ñëóõ è ïðåäïî÷òåíèÿ. ß íè êîåì îáðàçîì íå õî÷ó çàäåòü ÷üè òî ÷óâñòâà, à òî ÷óâñòâóåòñÿ ïîÿâèòñÿ òîâàðèù ñêîðî è áóäåò ãîâîðèòü ÷òî íà ìîå óõî ñëîí íàñòóïèë è ÿìàõà 640 çâó÷èò ëó÷øå ÷åì ïèàíèíî â ìóç øêîëå..( ) Íî åñëè âûáèðàòü ñëóøàÿ âûøå ïðåäñòàâëåííóþ äåìêó ðîëàíäà è êîðãà ÿ áû âûáðàë êîãð. |
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Òåìà: Re: Çàìåíà ïèàíèíî. Roland RD700, Yamaha S90ES, Roland FP-7F ,Roland FP-4F, Yamaha CLP-340/440 ,Yamaha P155
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Budapest (Hungar ÐÑ3, K-Station, Squier Standard strat è ò.ä.
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>Volod123 ñïàñèáî çà àðãóìåíòèðîâàííîå ÑÂÎÅ ìíåíèå .... |
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Òåìà: Re: Çàìåíà ïèàíèíî. Roland RD700, Yamaha S90ES, Roland FP-7F ,Roland FP-4F, Yamaha CLP-340/440 ,Yamaha P155
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Ñàíêò-Ïåòåðáóðã FP-80, Kronos, P-155
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×åãî òî íå ïîíÿë, âûáèðàåòñÿ çàìåíà àêóñòèêå. È ïðè ýòîì ñîâñåì áåç ó÷åòà ìåõàíèêè êëàâèàòóðû? Îêñòèòåñü, êàê ìîæíî ðàâíÿòü FP-7 è FP-4 ? Îíî æå ãëàâíîå. Äëÿ çâó÷àíèÿ ìîæíî ïîòîì ìîäóëü/ñèíò èëè êîìï ïðèñîáà÷èòü. Äà è ïðîñòî õîðîøèå ìîíèòîðû ðåàëüíî ìíîãî çíà÷àò äëÿ çâóêà, áîëüøå ñàìèõ ñýìïëîâ. À åñëè øêîëà è/èëè ïðàêòèêà ô-íî, òî íàäî ñ êëàâû íà÷èíàòü, ïðè÷åì ëè÷íî ñðàâíèâàòü, è íèêîãî íå ñëóøàòü, è íè÷åãî íå ÷èòàòü, è íèêîìó íå âåðèòü... Íó, ìíå ìîæíî (Ñ). Ëó÷øå êëàâû Ðîëàíäà PHA-III (-S) íûí÷å íè÷åãî ëó÷øå íåò. |
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Òåìà: Re: Çàìåíà ïèàíèíî. Roland RD700, Yamaha S90ES, Roland FP-7F ,Roland FP-4F, Yamaha CLP-340/440 ,Yamaha P155
Âðåìÿ: 26.06.2013 05:19 |
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Îìñê Nord Stage 2 HA76, MacBook Pro.
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RD700SX GX NX áåðèòå - íå îøèáåòåñü! È çâóè è êëàâà åñòü äà è âîîáùå êòî ïîïàëî íà íåì íå èãðàåò. |
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Òåìà: Re: Çàìåíà ïèàíèíî. Roland RD700, Yamaha S90ES, Roland FP-7F ,Roland FP-4F, Yamaha CLP-340/440 ,Yamaha P155
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Budapest (Hungar ÐÑ3, K-Station, Squier Standard strat è ò.ä.
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>http://www.purgatorycreek.com/downloads/K-RComp.w av >íà 1ìèí10ñåê êîðã , íà 1,20 ðîëàíä - ÷òî áîëüøå ïîõîæå íà ðîÿëü ? >ìíå âñå æå èíòåðåñíî ìíåíèå TC, >ïðèíöåññà, òâîå ìíåíèå ÿ çíàþ .... òåïåðü õî÷ó ïîñëóøàòü òñ ôëóäèòü òîëüêî ïîñëå åãî îòâåòà >Èçâèíÿþñü ÷òî çàñòàâèë äîëãî æäàòü ìîåãî îòâåòà. > ïðîìåæóòêå íà êîðã (01:07-01:15) ðîëàíä (01:20-01:30) ðîëàíä çâó÷èò çàìåòíî ëó÷øå. Çâóê áîëåå âçðîñëûé , äîðîãîé, ðåàëèñòè÷åí , ïðèÿòåí íà ñëóõ. Ñëóøàÿ ìîæíî ñäåëàòü âûâîä ÷òî êîðã áîëåå äåøåâîå óñòðîéñòâî è çâó÷èò äåøåâëå. à òåïåðü âíèìàíèå, ïðàâèëüíûé îòâåò! îôèöèàëüíûé òðîëëèíã îò ðîëàíäà íà 4ìèí10ñåê ïîêàçàíî ïîâåäåíèå ëóïíîãî ñåìïëà (ðîëàíä áåç ñóïåðíàòóðàë, ÂÑÅ ÿìàõè âïëîòü äî àâàíòãðàíä çà ìèëüåí ðóá, âñå êóðöû,êàñè, è ïðî÷èå íîðäû ) íà 4ìèí22ñåê - ðîëàíä ñóïåðíàòóðàë (ôèçìîä, êîòîðûé â ïðèíöèïå íåäàëåêî îò êðîíîñà ñ åãî ïîëíûìè 30ñåêóíäíûìè áåçëóïíûìè ñåìïëàìè) à âàøå î÷êî, óâàæàåìûå çíàòîêè, îïÿòü ïåðåõîäèò â ïîëüçó òåëåçðèòåëåé çû êðîíîñ ðóëèò
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Òåìà: Re: Çàìåíà ïèàíèíî. Roland RD700, Yamaha S90ES, Roland FP-7F ,Roland FP-4F, Yamaha CLP-340/440 ,Yamaha P155
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Òåìà: Re: Â ïðîìåæóòêå íà êîðã (01:07-01:15) ðîëàíä (01:20-01:30) ðîëàíä èìåííî ëóïíûé - áåç SN :drazn:
Âðåìÿ: 26.06.2013 11:38 |
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Íèæíåêðàôòâåðêñê Òðè «ÿìàõè» ó îêíà
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Âçðîñëûå âðóò: îíà íå ñëèïíåòñÿ! [Á] |
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Òåìà: Re: Çàìåíà ïèàíèíî. Roland RD700, Yamaha S90ES, Roland FP-7F ,Roland FP-4F, Yamaha CLP-340/440 ,Yamaha P155
Âðåìÿ: 26.06.2013 12:30 |
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Îìñê Nord Stage 2 HA76, MacBook Pro.
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Êðîíîñ äëÿ çàìåíû àêóñòè÷åñêîãî ïèàíèíî ýòî äîðîãî è ãëóïî. | |
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Òåìà: Re: Çàìåíà ïèàíèíî. Roland RD700, Yamaha S90ES, Roland FP-7F ,Roland FP-4F, Yamaha CLP-340/440 ,Yamaha P155
Âðåìÿ: 26.06.2013 13:59 |
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Ìîñêâà Roland Fantom G8 & AX-Synth/Yamaha Motif XS7/Paradise "Zebra"
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Î-î-õ, ùàñ ìåí "ýëåêòðîãóñëè" èëè "ëþñè" ñêóøàþòü...:-( ß âîò ñåé÷àñ èíñòðóìåíò âûáèðàþ, è îñòàíîâèëñÿ ïîêà íà RD-700NX - ñêîðåå âñåãî åãî è âîçüìó - è âîò ïî÷åìó: 1-å - ýòî êëàâèàòóðà - ïðàêòè÷åñêè ËÓ×ØÀß (òîëüêî ó KAWAI MP10 ,áîëüøå ïîíðàâèëàñü, íî òàì ñ òåìáðàìè áåäà). Ñðàçó ñêàæó äëÿ "ãóñëåé" - KRONOS çàìå÷àòåëåí, è âæèâóþ òîæå óäîáíî, íî ýòî ÊÎÌÏ, åñëè ýòî çàâèñíåò - òî Ï.....Ö!!!! Ó ìåíÿ áûë M3-88, ïàðó ðàç áûëî:-( äà è êëàâèàòóðû RH3 ìíå ÍÅ ÍÐÀÂÈÒÜÑß!!!!! Ó RD è MP áîëåå ïîõîæà íà ðîÿëüíóþ (à íå ôîðòåïèàííóþ), è òàêòèëüíûå î÷ó÷åíèÿ âîîùå îôèãåòü  2-å - ìàêñèìóì, ÷òî âèäåë â StagePiano - 4 çîíû + êëàñíûå çâóêè ô-íî/ýëåêòðî è íîðìàëüíûå âñåãî îñòàëüíîãî 3-å - óäîáíîå è íàãëÿäíîå óïðàâëåíèå â ðåàëüíîì âðåìåíè - óñ¸ ïðîñòî è ïîíÿòíî áåç èíñòðóêöèè à òàê êîíå÷íî PC3K8 íðàâèòüñÿ ïî çâóêàì - çðÿ åãî òóò íåêîòîðûå îáñ....þò - ïóñòü è ñýìïëåðíîé ïàìÿòè ó íåãî íå ãèãàáàéòû - íî îí ÇÂÓ×ÈÒ!!! âîò òîëüêî óïðàâëåíèå ïîñëå íàãëÿäíîãî KORG M3 è áîëåå-ìåíåå Motif XS ÷¸ òî ìåíÿ íå âäîõíîâëÿåò:-( Íó è êëàâèàòóðà ôàòàðîâñêàÿ íè÷åãî (íî õóæå ÷åì â RD:-) à òàê, êîíå÷íî ñ öåíàìè áåäà - çà îäíè è òåæå äåíüãè ìîæíî âçÿòü èëè èíñòðóìåíò ñ îôèãåííîé êëàâèàòóðîé, íî ñ 32-ìÿ òåìáðàìè (êîòîðûå êëàññíî, ïî êðàéíåé ìåðå â óøè, çâó÷ÿò - KAWAI MP10, RD-700NX - çîëîòàÿ äëÿ ìåíÿ ñåðåäèíà, èëè KRONOS - íî äëÿ ìåíÿ ýòî èçáûòî÷íî) Motif XF, èçâèíèòå íå ðàññìàòðèâàþ, ó ìåíÿ XS7 åñòü, à øèëî íà ìûëî íå ìåíÿþ:-) Íå ãðûçèòå ñèëüíî
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Òåìà: Re: Çàìåíà ïèàíèíî. Roland RD700, Yamaha S90ES, Roland FP-7F ,Roland FP-4F, Yamaha CLP-340/440 ,Yamaha P155
Âðåìÿ: 26.06.2013 15:04 |
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ãäå-òî íà þãå àñ Roland FP-10, CME XKey 37, Ibanez TMB100M, ROLI Lightpad Block,
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>Ó RD è MP áîëåå ïîõîæà íà ðîÿëüíóþ (à íå ôîðòåïèàííóþ), è òàêòèëüíûå î÷ó÷åíèÿ âîîùå îôèãåòü Ïðî ÌÐ íå çíàþ, à ðîëàíäîâñêàÿ äåéñòâèòåëüíî áîëåå ðåàëèñòè÷íàÿ, ÷åì RH3. >à òàê êîíå÷íî PC3K8 íðàâèòüñÿ ïî çâóêàì - çðÿ åãî òóò íåêîòîðûå îáñ....þò - ïóñòü è ñýìïëåðíîé ïàìÿòè ó íåãî íå ãèãàáàéòû - íî îí ÇÂÓ×ÈÒ!!! âîò òîëüêî óïðàâëåíèå ïîñëå íàãëÿäíîãî KORG M3 è áîëåå-ìåíåå Motif XS ÷¸ òî ìåíÿ íå âäîõíîâëÿåò:-( Íó è êëàâèàòóðà ôàòàðîâñêàÿ íè÷åãî (íî õóæå ÷åì â RD:-) Êóðöåâñêèå ýêðàí÷èêè - ìåëî÷ü, íî îñîáûõ ðàçäðàæåíèé ÈÌÕÎ ó ìíîãèõ íå âûçûâàëî íà ìîåé ïàìÿòè. Ýõ, çàïèëèòü áû íîðìàëüíûé òà÷ñêðèí â êóðöû. Ðàáîòå ñ VAST ýòî òîëüêî ïîøëî áû íà ïîëüçó. À ôàòàðîâñêàÿ êëàâèàòóðà çàìå÷àòåëüíàÿ, åñëè áû íå âíåçàïíûå ãëþêè. Íà ðàíäîìíûõ àïïàðàòàõ ïîÿâëÿëèñü ðàçíûå êîñÿêè - òî aftertouch ãëþ÷èò, òî ñ âåëîñèòè ïðîáëåìû. Íèêòî, ê ñîæàëåíèþ, îò ýòîãî íå çàñòðàõîâàí. >Íå ãðûçèòå ñèëüíî À çà÷åì? Íà âêóñ è öâåò ôëîìàñòåðû ðàçíûå 
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Âñå, íàïèñàííîå â ýòîé êíèãå, ìîæåò îêàçàòüñÿ íåïðàâäîé...
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Òåìà: Re: Çàìåíà ïèàíèíî. Roland RD700, Yamaha S90ES, Roland FP-7F ,Roland FP-4F, Yamaha CLP-340/440 ,Yamaha P155
Âðåìÿ: 26.06.2013 18:18 |
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Îìñê Nord Stage 2 HA76, MacBook Pro.
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Ìíîãèå òà÷ ñêðèíû íå æàëóþò, ïîòîìó êàê òàêòèëüíûå îùóùåíèÿ îò íàæàòîé íàñòîÿùåé êíîïêè (à íå âèðòóàëüíîé) òîæå âàæíû äëÿ ìíîãèõ, íî íå äëÿ âñåõ. ß âîò íå î÷åíü ïå÷àòàþ íà àéïàäå æåíû - ìíå êíîïêè íàäî, à îíà íîðìàëüíî, íå æàëóåòñÿ. | |
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Òåìà: Re: Çàìåíà ïèàíèíî. Roland RD700, Yamaha S90ES, Roland FP-7F ,Roland FP-4F, Yamaha CLP-340/440 ,Yamaha P155
Âðåìÿ: 26.06.2013 18:23 |
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Îìñê Nord Stage 2 HA76, MacBook Pro.
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>îñòàíîâèëñÿ ïîêà íà RD-700NX - ñêîðåå âñåãî åãî è âîçüìó ß ñâîé RD-700SX ðåãóëÿðíî ñòàâèë ïðèåçæèì àðòèñòàì: Áóòìàí, ELO, Ñþòêèí, Êèðêîðîâ è åùå ìíîãî êîìó. Ïðîêàò÷èêè äî ñèõ ïîð ìó÷àþòñÿ - çâîíÿò: "Çà÷åì ïðîäàë? Îïÿòü â ðàéäåðå RD-700!!! Triton 88 íå õîòÿò" Ïîêàçàòåëü
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Òåìà: Re: Çàìåíà ïèàíèíî. Roland RD700, Yamaha S90ES, Roland FP-7F ,Roland FP-4F, Yamaha CLP-340/440 ,Yamaha P155
Âðåìÿ: 26.06.2013 18:55 |
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Ìîñêâà keyboards, piano, ProTools 
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>Ìíîãèå òà÷ ñêðèíû íå æàëóþò, ïîòîìó êàê òàêòèëüíûå îùóùåíèÿ îò íàæàòîé íàñòîÿùåé êíîïêè (à íå âèðòóàëüíîé) òîæå âàæíû äëÿ ìíîãèõ À ñ äðóãîé ñòîðîíû íåò ïîñòîÿííîé ïðîáëåìû "âûëåòàþùèõ" êíîïîê ñ ìíîãîêðàòíûì ïåðåïàèâàíèåì âïëîòü äî îòñëîåíèÿ äîðîæåê íà ïëàòàõ. |
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ÇÐ ñòóäèè Â. Îñèíñêîãî
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Òåìà: Re: Çàìåíà ïèàíèíî. Roland RD700, Yamaha S90ES, Roland FP-7F ,Roland FP-4F, Yamaha CLP-340/440 ,Yamaha P155
Âðåìÿ: 27.06.2013 00:48 |
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Yamaha PSR-323 , Yamaha DGX-640
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AAR RD-700SX âûïóùåíî äî òîãî êàê ðîëàíä ñòàë ãîâîðèòü î super natural, íî â íåì åñòü íàñòðîéêè îòêðûòèÿ/çàêðûòèÿ êðûøêè ðîÿëÿ, íåñêîëüêî âàðèàíòîâ ðåçîíàíñà ñòðóí è íåñêîëüêî âàðèàíòîâ ñòðîÿ. Ìîæíî ïîèãðàòüñÿ ñ íàñòðîéêàìè åñëè èíòåðåñíî RD-700nx "Ýòîò ôëàãìàí ñöåíè÷åñêèõ ôîðòåïèàíî èñïîëüçóåò òåõíîëîãèþ SuperNATURAL Piano äëÿ âîññîçäàíèÿ çâó÷àíèÿ ôîðòåïèàíî; çâóêè ýëåêòðîïèàíî òàêæå îñíîâàíû íà òåõíîëîãèè SuperNATURAL." FP-7F Êîðîííàÿ îñîáåííîñòü FP-7F - ýòî çâóê ôîðòåïèàíî SuperNATURAL Piano À âû ãîâîðèòå ÷òî ÷òî 700 íåòó ñóïåð íàòóðàë. Ñâîé âûáîð ÿ ïîêà ÷òî îñòàâèë íà 700ñõ , íî òî÷íî áóäó çíàòü ïîñëå òîãî êàê ñûãðàþ íà íåì ëè÷íî. |
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Òåìà: Re: Çàìåíà ïèàíèíî. Roland RD700, Yamaha S90ES, Roland FP-7F ,Roland FP-4F, Yamaha CLP-340/440 ,Yamaha P155
Âðåìÿ: 27.06.2013 05:48 |
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Í-ñê Keyboards
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>Êîðîííàÿ îñîáåííîñòü FP-7F - ýòî çâóê ôîðòåïèàíî SuperNATURAL Piano Íåò. Ýòî ìîæíî íàéòè è â áîëåå äîñòóïíûõ ìîäåëÿõ. À âîò ÷åãî â íèõ íåò, òàê ýòî êëàâèàòóðû PHA III Ivory Feel-S ñ ôóíêöèåé Escapement. |
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Òåìà: Re: Çàìåíà ïèàíèíî. Roland RD700, Yamaha S90ES, Roland FP-7F ,Roland FP-4F, Yamaha CLP-340/440 ,Yamaha P155
Âðåìÿ: 27.06.2013 09:17 |
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Îìñê Nord Stage 2 HA76, MacBook Pro.
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Ìîæíî ïîùóïàòü êàê âàðèàíò: | |
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Òåìà: Re: Çàìåíà ïèàíèíî. Roland RD700, Yamaha S90ES, Roland FP-7F ,Roland FP-4F, Yamaha CLP-340/440 ,Yamaha P155
Âðåìÿ: 27.06.2013 09:24 |
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Budapest (Hungar ÐÑ3, K-Station, Squier Standard strat è ò.ä.
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(ñêàç ïðî òî, êàê Áû÷êîâ ðåïåðòóàð ÷óæîé ñåáå ïðèïèñûâàë) http://forums.vkmonline.com/showthread.php?t=31098&p=429902&viewfull=1#post42990...ll=1#post429902oindex> |
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Òåìà: Re: Çàìåíà ïèàíèíî. Roland RD700, Yamaha S90ES, Roland FP-7F ,Roland FP-4F, Yamaha CLP-340/440 ,Yamaha P155
Âðåìÿ: 27.06.2013 11:42 |
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Îìñê Nord Stage 2 HA76, MacBook Pro.
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>http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C9uGG5WKKbo Ùóïàë åãî â Ñòàìáóëå ïî ñëó÷àþ, ïðèøåë ê âûâîäó ÷òî ýòîò àïïàðàò èìååò ìåñòî áûòü, íî âñå êðîìå ïèàíî è ýëåêòðî ïèàíî êàæåòñÿ äîáàâèëè "÷òîáû áûëÎ", äà è ôîðì ôàêòîð íå òåõíè÷íûé, à òàê çâó÷èò âðîäå è äàæå ðóëèòñÿ ñ ìîðäû. 
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Òåìà: Re: Çàìåíà ïèàíèíî. Roland RD700, Yamaha S90ES, Roland FP-7F ,Roland FP-4F, Yamaha CLP-340/440 ,Yamaha P155
Âðåìÿ: 27.06.2013 16:00 |
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Yamaha PSR-323 , Yamaha DGX-640
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Ìîæíî ïîùóïàòü êàê âàðèàíò: ×òî íà ýòèõ ññûëêàõ? Òîâàðèùè ïðîøó ó÷åñòü ÷òî â Êèòàå þòóá íå ðàáîòàåò . À åùå ôåñéáóê , ìîé ìèð , ïîðíî ñàéòû , è ìíîãîå äðóãîå , ÷òî ìîæåò èñïîðòèòü âîñïèòàíèå Êèòàÿ. |
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Òåìà: Re: Çàìåíà ïèàíèíî. Roland RD700, Yamaha S90ES, Roland FP-7F ,Roland FP-4F, Yamaha CLP-340/440 ,Yamaha P155
Âðåìÿ: 27.06.2013 16:49 |
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Ìîñêâà Roland Fantom G8 & AX-Synth/Yamaha Motif XS7/Paradise "Zebra"
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Íà ýòèõ ññûëêàõ Korg SV1 è Nord Piano 2. Íàñêîëüêî ÿ ïîíÿë, Âû áóäåòå áðàòü èíñòðóìåíò á/ó? |
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Òåìà: Re: Çàìåíà ïèàíèíî. Roland RD700, Yamaha S90ES, Roland FP-7F ,Roland FP-4F, Yamaha CLP-340/440 ,Yamaha P155
Âðåìÿ: 27.06.2013 19:12 |
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Yamaha PSR-323 , Yamaha DGX-640
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Íàñêîëüêî ÿ ïîíÿë, Âû áóäåòå áðàòü èíñòðóìåíò á/ó? Äà íåò. Íîâûå âîçüìó. Ñïàñèáêè çà òî ÷òî ñêàçàëè ñîäåðæàíèå ññûëîê. Âû èç-çà ýòîãî ïîñòà ðåøèëè, ÷òî ÿ õî÷ó á/ó? ó ìåíÿ åñòü 2 õîðîøèõ çàìåíèòåëÿ ïèàíèíî: 1. ENSONIQ KT-88 (ìîëîòî÷êîâàÿ êëàâèàòóðà 88 êë, îòë.ñîñò, ñäåëàíà ïîëíàÿ ïðîôèëàêòèêà) - 24900 ðóá (î í¸ì - ) 2. ALESIS QS8.1 (âòîðîå ïîêîëåíèå QS, 88 êëàâèø ñ ìîëîòêàìè, îòë.ñîñò) - 28900 ðóá Çâîíèòå: 8-926-21O5542, Ìèõàèë (ìîáèëüíûé â ìîñêâå, êðóãëîñóòî÷íî.) |
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Òåìà: Re: Çàìåíà ïèàíèíî. Roland RD700, Yamaha S90ES, Roland FP-7F ,Roland FP-4F, Yamaha CLP-340/440 ,Yamaha P155
Âðåìÿ: 09.07.2013 01:23 |
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Yamaha PSR-323 , Yamaha DGX-640
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Ñúåçäèë â Õàí÷æîó è ïîïðîáîâàë íåêîòîðûå èíñòðóìåíòû ,÷òî áûëè â íàëè÷èè . 1. YAMAHA CLP430. Çâó÷èò äîñòîéíî. õîðîøàÿ çàìåíà ñðåäíåãî ïèàíèíî. Íîòû çâó÷àò õîðîøî . Ïî ñðàâíåíèþ ñ YAMAHA DGX-640 , êàê Æèãóëè è èíîìàðêà . Íåò ãóëà. Ðåçîíàíñà ñòðóí íåò , à åñëè è åñòü òî î÷åíü ñëàá. Êëàâèàòóðà ìíå íå ïîíðàâèëàñü, ìÿãêàÿ , õîðîøî ðåàãèðóåò íà ñèëó íàæàòèÿ, íî ñêîëüçêàÿ. Ïàëüöû òàê è ñêîëüçÿò ïî íåé , íàæèìàåøü íà äðóãóþ, íóæíî ïðèâûêàòü.  ïðèíöèïå ìîæíî êóïèòü , íî ìíå âàæåí ìàëåíüêèé âåñ, ÷òîáû òàñêàòü ñ ñîáîé . 2. Roland FP-7F . Áûëà òîëüêî îäíà îòêðûòàÿ , íà êàòàðîì êèòàéöû ñàìè ìóòÿò. Âñòðîåííàÿ àêóñòèêà íå ðàáîòàëà , áûëà îíà ïîäêëþ÷åíà ê êàêîìó òî ãèòàðíîìó êàáèíåòó ÷åðåç ÷òî òî è ýòîò ÷òî òî ê ÷åìó òî , ê êîòîðîìó áûëè ïîäêëþ÷åíû åùå è ãèòàðû . Ïðî çâóê íè÷åãî íå ïîíÿë, ñëûøàë òîëüêî êàêóþ òî ÷óøü. Íî êëàâèàòóðà ïîíðàâèëàñü áîëüøå. Ïàëüöû íå ñêîëüçÿò , è áîëåå æåñòêèå , íî âñå ðàâíî íå òå ÷óâñòâà ÷òî îò êëàâèàòóðû ïèàíèíî. Ëèðè÷åñêîå îòñòóïëåíèå.  ìàãàçèíàõ áûëî ìíîãî àêóñòè÷åñêèõ ïèàíèí. Íàìíîãî áîëüøå, ÷åì êàêèõ ëèáî äðóãèõ èíñòðóìåíòîâ. Êîíå÷íî, ñûãðàë ÿ íà óéìå øòóê. Èãðàÿ íà äåøåâûõ êèòàéñêèõ ïðîñòî ïîëó÷àë ïðèòóïëåííûé çâóêè , èãðàòü íà íèõ è ñëóøàòü ìîæíî , íî íå áåç âåëèêèõ ýìîöèé. YAMAHA CLP430 çâó÷àë çíà÷èòåëüíî ëó÷øå, õîòÿ êëàâèàòóðà íà êèòàéñêèõ ïèàíèíàõ ëó÷øå â ðàçû. Èãðàÿ íà íåìåöêèõ ïèàíèíàõ , ÿ âîñõèùàëñÿ çâóêîì, ðàñòâîðÿëñÿ â ìåëîäèè , â âåëè÷èè òîãî äóõà ìóçûêè , ÷òî èçäàåò ïèàíèíî . Çàìåíèòü õîðîøåå ïèàíèíî ýëåêòðîíèêîé íåâîçìîæíî, Ìîæíî ïðîñòî ïîéòè íà êîìïðîìèññû è óäîâëåòâîðèòüñÿ . Ïîêà îáñòîÿòåëüñòâà íå ïîçâîëÿþò ìíå ïðèîáðåñòè õîðîøåå ïèàíèíî , ïîýòîìó ÿ âûíóæäåí êóïèòü ñèìóëÿíòà, íî êîãäà áóäóò âîçìîæíîñòè ÿ îáÿçàòåëüíî êóïëþ ïèàíèíî. Íàöåëèëñÿ íà Nord Piano 2 . Êòî ÷òî ìîæåò ñêàçàòü ïðî äàííûé àïïàðàò. Âûáèðàþ ìåæäó Nord piano2 è Roland RD-700SX . Êàêàÿ ðàçíèöà ìåæäó Roland RD-700SX è Roland RD-300 ? |
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Òåìà: Re: Çàìåíà ïèàíèíî. Roland RD700, Yamaha S90ES, Roland FP-7F ,Roland FP-4F, Yamaha CLP-340/440 ,Yamaha P155
Âðåìÿ: 09.07.2013 02:33 |
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Íààðèÿ Èçðàèëü Yamaha MOXF6 Roland Fantom-06, Roland Aerophone AE-30 Pro 
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À åù¸ åñòü Roland RD-700NX | |
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Òåìà: Re: Çàìåíà ïèàíèíî. Roland RD700, Yamaha S90ES, Roland FP-7F ,Roland FP-4F, Yamaha CLP-340/440 ,Yamaha P155
Âðåìÿ: 09.07.2013 08:28 |
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Yamaha PSR-323 , Yamaha DGX-640
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À åù¸ åñòü Roland RD-700NX Êàê ÿ ïîíÿë ïî îòçûâàì ðåáÿò îòñþäà æå Roland RD-700SX ëó÷øå , ÷åì Roland RD-700NÕ |
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Òåìà: Re: Çàìåíà ïèàíèíî. Roland RD700, Yamaha S90ES, Roland FP-7F ,Roland FP-4F, Yamaha CLP-340/440 ,Yamaha P155
Âðåìÿ: 09.07.2013 13:13 |
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Ñàíêò-Ïåòåðáóðã FP-80, Kronos, P-155
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À ãäå âû âîîáùå 700SX ðàñêîïàëè? Îí âûïóñêàëñÿ òî êàæèñü âñåãî ãîä-äâà ñ 2004, ïîòîì GX ïðèøåë, êîòîðûé óæå SN è óæå ãîäà 4 êàê òîëüêî NX. Íà íåêîòîðûå âêóñû ïî êëàâèàòóðå SX áûë áëèæå ê àêóñòèêå, ÷åì ïîñëåäóþùèå GX NX, íî ÷òîáû óæ ïðÿìî "ëó÷øå", òàêîãî ÿ íå ñëûøàë. ß êàê òî äóìàë SX áðàòü, íî íàéòè íà âòîðè÷íîì ðûíêå íå çàòîïòàííóþ äîìàøíþþ ìîäåëü ýòîãî èíñòðóìåíòà îêàçàëîñü äîâîëüíî òðóäíî. Êñòàòè è FP7 è FP4 òîæå óæå íåòó. Ñ ýòîãî ãîäà âìåñòî íèõ FP-80 è FP-50 |
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Òåìà: Re: Çàìåíà ïèàíèíî. Roland RD700, Yamaha S90ES, Roland FP-7F ,Roland FP-4F, Yamaha CLP-340/440 ,Yamaha P155
Âðåìÿ: 10.07.2013 01:18 |
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Íààðèÿ Èçðàèëü Yamaha MOXF6 Roland Fantom-06, Roland Aerophone AE-30 Pro
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À êñòàòè, âîò æå åù¸ åñòü è kurzweil sp5-8. Òîæå âïîëíå äîñòîéíûé èíñòðóìåíò. | |
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Òåìà: Re: Çàìåíà ïèàíèíî. Roland RD700, Yamaha S90ES, Roland FP-7F ,Roland FP-4F, Yamaha CLP-340/440 ,Yamaha P155
Âðåìÿ: 10.07.2013 04:19 |
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Ìîñêâà keyboards, piano, ProTools
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>Ñ ýòîãî ãîäà âìåñòî íèõ FP-80 è FP-50 Ïðîáîâàë îáà íà âûñòàâêå, ñ ïåðâûì ïðàâäà ïðîáûë íåäîëãî - óíåñëè â äåìî-çàë íà ïðåçåíòàöèþ. Ïî ïîâîäó âòîðîãî îñòàëèñü íåïðèÿòíûå âîñïîìèíàíèÿ ïî âñòðîåííîé àêóñòèêå (åñëè êîìó-òî ýòî âàæíî äëÿ äîìàøíåãî ìóçèöèðîâàíèÿ). Òàêîå âïå÷àòëåíèå áûëî, ÷òî çâóê íà âûõîäå èíñòðóìåíòà ïðîïóùåí ÷åðåç ôèëüòð ñ ÿâíî âûðàæåííûì ðåçîíàíñîì. |
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ÇÐ ñòóäèè Â. Îñèíñêîãî
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Òåìà: Re: Çàìåíà ïèàíèíî. Roland RD700, Yamaha S90ES, Roland FP-7F ,Roland FP-4F, Yamaha CLP-340/440 ,Yamaha P155
Âðåìÿ: 10.07.2013 13:09 |
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Alex_HS , Ýõ æàëü ïî ïîâîäó FP-80, õîòåëîñü áû õîòü íåìíîãî îòçûâà îò ñâîèõ. ß âñåðüåç ïîäóìûâàþ åãî êóïèòü, êàê ñàìûé äåøåâûé âàðèàíò ñ PHA-III. Èíôû î÷åíü ìàëî ïîêà, ïî÷òè íåò. Îñíîâíîé âîïðîñ - â òî÷íîñòè ëè êëàâèàòóðà PHA-III-S ñîîòâåòñòâóåò PHA-III ïðîñòî, áåç -S ? Ïðîñòóþ ÿ äîñòàòî÷íî èñïûòàë íà HP-5... è ìíå îíà íà âñå 100% ïîíðàâèëàñü. Íåìíîãî åùå íà ÷óæîì 700NX òàì ÷óòü ïîêàçàëîñü äðóãîé, íî ýòî áûëî ñ ðàçðûâîì ïî âðåìåíè, íå óâåðåí ÷òî ðàçíèöà åñòü, õîòÿ íà âèä êëàâèøè ðàçíûå ïî öâåòó. Íà pianoworld âñòðåòèë äâà ìíåíèÿ, âîò äàæå ñîõðàíèë, Ïåðâîå: PHA III Ivory Feel is the "full quality" version. If having the name extended with "-S" it is of lower quality . I somehow have the idea, that the "-S" are a little bit smaller, to better fit to the needs of a portable piano, and subsequently the "-S" acts slightly different (not as good) than the 'full sized' version. There was also a "-G" on the market, even lower quality than the "-S", and you wouldn´t want to go for that one. È âòîðîå: RD-700NX: 88 keys (PHA III Ivory Feel Keyboard with Escapement) FP-7F: 88 keys (PHA III Ivory Feel-S Keyboard with Escapement) I'm uncertain quite what the 'S' indicates on the Ivory Feel, but this may explain why the Roland chap believes the actions on the two models feel slightly different. I'm 99% positive that the only difference in the actual actions/keys between the two is the FP-7F has all white keys whereas the RD-700NX has the white caps on woodish color base keys . The Roland tech was probably right about why the two feel different. It's most likely the different chassis they sit in. FP-80 ïîä çàêàç ñ ïðåäîïëàòîé, ò.å. íå ïîïðîáîâàâ ëè÷íî. Ó÷èòûâàÿ, ÷òî FP-7 ïî êëàâå ÿâíî îäèíàêîâà ñ FP-80 ïûòàëñÿ õîòü ïåðâóþ íàéòè æèâüåì, íî íå íàøåë. Çâóêè òàì îñíîâíûå èç 700NX, äèíàìèêè ìíå ïî ôèãó, à âîò çà êëàâó ÷óòü ñòðàøíî, âäðóã è â ñàìîì äåëå îêàæåòñÿ with "-S" it is of lower quality Ïîéäó åùå ÷èòàòü. |
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Òåìà: Re: Çàìåíà ïèàíèíî. Roland RD700, Yamaha S90ES, Roland FP-7F ,Roland FP-4F, Yamaha CLP-340/440 ,Yamaha P155
Âðåìÿ: 10.07.2013 13:24 |
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Í-ñê Keyboards
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FP-7 - íå FP-7F È â îïèñàíèè FP-80 ÿ íå íàø¸ë óïîìèíàíèé PHA3 |
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Òåìà: Re: Çàìåíà ïèàíèíî. Roland RD700, Yamaha S90ES, Roland FP-7F ,Roland FP-4F, Yamaha CLP-340/440 ,Yamaha P155
Âðåìÿ: 10.07.2013 13:37 |
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Ñàíêò-Ïåòåðáóðã FP-80, Kronos, P-155
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Îëåã , Íó äà ïîä FP-7 ÿ èìåþ ââèäó FP-7F. FP-7 ýòî åùå ñòàðåå ïîêîëåíèå. Ïî ïîâîäó PHA-III ÿ òîæå çàìåòèë. òàì Ivory Feel-S Keyboard with Escapement Âðîäå ïèøóò, ÷òî ýòî âñå òà æå êëàâà, ïðîñòî íàçâàíèå ñîêðàòèëè/èçìåíèëè. .Íî ñîìíåíèÿ íà ôîíå îòñóòñòâèÿ îôô.èíôîðìàöèè ïðèñóòñòâóþò êîíå÷íî. Âåùü íå ôèãà íå äåøåâàÿ. Íàäî áû ñàìîìó èñïûòàòü êîíå÷íî, íî äëÿ êàê ìèíèìóì íàäî ýòîãî â äðóãîé ãîðîä åõàòü. HP ñåðèè âåçäå ïîëíî, à FP íåòó. |
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Òåìà: Re: Çàìåíà ïèàíèíî. Roland RD700, Yamaha S90ES, Roland FP-7F ,Roland FP-4F, Yamaha CLP-340/440 ,Yamaha P155
Âðåìÿ: 10.07.2013 15:31 |
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Ñàíêò-Ïåòåðáóðã FP-80, Kronos, P-155
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Íó âîò, åùå ýòî âûñêàçûâàíèå: According to Roland brochures, Ivory Feel-S (former known as PHA III Ivory Feel-S) is almost identical to PHA-III except for the fact Ivory Feel-S is built on a single plastic piece instead of two. I guess this has to do with the lack of the wooden imitation side PHA III has. HP-503 (Ivory Feel-S) and HP-505 (PHA III) feel different each other but IMHO it's not due to the action, which is almost identical, but due to amp+speakers. The final feedback the player receives depends on the sum of many factors, not only the action. As we usually see on Yamaha GH, just the same action may feel quite different on different instruments. Òî åñòü ïèøóò, ÷òî PHA-III Ýòî ïðîñòî ïðåäûäóùåå íàçâàíèå, à -S îçíà÷àåò Solid òî åñòü èç îäíîöâåòíîãî ïëàñòèêà. Ïîñìîòðåë ÿ íà êàðòèíêè âñåõ ýòèõ êëàâèø - íà âèä è âïðÿìü îäèíàêîâûå ))) Íàäåþñü, ÷òî è âïðÿìü, ýòî òîëüêî íàçâàíèå - PHA ...1, 2,3 îçíà÷àåò âðîäå âñåãî ëèøü Progressive Hammer Action, òî åñòü ðàçëè÷èå â òÿæåñòè îò íèæíèõ ê âåðíèì. Ïîÿâèëàñü ýòà PHA êëàâà íà÷èíàÿ êàê ðàç ñ 700SX, à äî òîãî â Ðîëàíäû âîîáùå Fatar ñòàâèëè, ÷òî ÿ çíàþ òî÷íî, ó ìåíÿ íûíåøíÿÿ êëàâà RD-100 2001 ãîäà ñ Fatar TP10 âíóòðè, è áûë åùå RD-300 ñ FATAR TP40M, êîòîðûé òðàãè÷åñêè ïîãèá ïðè íåóäà÷íîé òðàíñïîðèðîâêå. À, ëàäíî, áûëà íå áûëà, çàêàçûâàþ FP-80...  êðàéíåì ñëó÷àå ïðîäàì, íå âïåðâîé ìíå ýòè ñòðàäàíèÿ ))) |
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Òåìà: Re: Çàìåíà ïèàíèíî. Roland RD700, Yamaha S90ES, Roland FP-7F ,Roland FP-4F, Yamaha CLP-340/440 ,Yamaha P155
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ó ìåíÿ åñòü ëó÷øèé çàìåíèòåëü æèâîãî ïèàíèíà: ýëåêòðîïèàíî ROLAND FP-5 (ßïîíèÿ, 88 êëàâèø, USB, âñòðîåíû äèíàìèêè, îòë.ñîñò, áîíóñ: ïîêðûâàëî) - 39900 ðóá (î íåì - ) -- ôèðìåííàÿ ñòîéêà Roland FPS-11A (î íåé - ) - 4500 ðóá -- ïåäàëü ñóñòåéíà ðîÿëüíàÿ ÐÎËÀÍÄ - 1500 ðóá Çâîíèòå: 8-926-21O5542, Ìèõàèë (ìîáèëüíûé â ìîñêâå, êðóãëîñóòî÷íî.) |
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