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Òåìà: Âîïðîñ ëþáèòåëÿì Hammond
Âðåìÿ: 16.07.2019 17:08 |
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Óâàæàåìûå çíàòîêè Hammond. Èçâèíèòå çà äèëåòàíòñêèé âîïðîñ. ß áû õîòåë êóïèòü Leslie Speakers. Êàêàÿ ìîäåëü èìååò ñàìûå ìîùíûå äèíàìèêè? Ìîæíî ëè êóïèòü Leslie Speakers áåç ëàìïîâîãî óñèëèòåëÿ? | |
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Òåìà: Re: Âîïðîñ ëþáèòåëÿì Hammond
Âðåìÿ: 16.07.2019 18:39 |
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«Think Different»
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Ïðè ìíîãîêðàòíîì òåñòå àíàëîã vs öèôða îêàçàëîñü,
÷òî êà÷åñòâåííûé öèôðîâîé çâóê îò êà÷åñòâåííîãî àíàëîãîâî îòëè÷èòü ñìîãëè íå ñïåöèàëèñòû, à òîëüêî îñöèëëîãðàô..) |
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Òåìà: Re: Âîïðîñ ëþáèòåëÿì Hammond
Âðåìÿ: 17.07.2019 16:34 |
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Ñêàæèòå ïîæ, ïåäàëü ãðîìêîñòè ó Hammond (åå ïî÷åìó-òî íàçûâàþò ïåäàëü ýêñïðåññèè) êàê óñòðîåíà? Òàê æå êàê ïåäàëü ó Âåðìîíà èëè òàì åñòü êàêèå-òî çàóìíîñòè? Ìîé ïëàí - äëÿ íà÷àëà ïðèîáðåñòè leslie speaker è ïîäêëþ÷àòü åãî ê êàêèì-òî íåêàçèñòûì êëàâèøàì. Åñòü òàêèå ïðèìåðû? Èëè èç ýòîãî íè÷åãî õîðîøåãî íå âûéäåò? |
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Òåìà: Re: Âîïðîñ ëþáèòåëÿì Hammond
Âðåìÿ: 18.07.2019 18:02 |
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Ýòî êàê ñòðîèòü... íå çíàþ... äèðèæàáëü. Ïðèêîëüíî, êîíå÷íî, è î÷åíü êðóòî, íî çà÷åì? Ëþäè ðàçíûå ñþäà çàõîäÿò, ïðîøó ïàðäîíó, åñëè ÷òî: âû â êóðñå, ÷òî ñóùåñòâóþò ñîâðåìåííûå öèôðîâûå àíàëîãè? |
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Òåìà: Re: Âîïðîñ ëþáèòåëÿì Hammond
Âðåìÿ: 18.07.2019 18:49 |
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hgsq, 70 è 80 ãîäû ÿ ïîñâåðëèë ñåáå óøè èñïîëüçóÿ èìèòàòîð ëåñëè êîòîðûé íàçûâàëñÿ ôéçåð. (Ñ âåðìîíàìè, âàëüòìåéñòåðàìè, äàæå ñ þíîñòüþ). Ñîâðåìåííûå èìèòàòîðû íàâåðíîå çíà÷èòåëüíî ëó÷øå. Íî ñ ðåàëüíûì ëåñëè - íå ñðàâíèòü. Ýòî íå ìîå ìíåíèå, ýòî ìíåíèå ìàñòèòûõ. Âîò, õîòåë áû óáåäèòüñÿ.... À ÷òî íàñ÷åò ïåäàëè ãðîìêîñòè? Åñòü ëè òóò çíàòîêè êîòîðûå âèäåëè ïåäàëü õýììîíäà èçíóòðè? |
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Òåìà: Re: Âîïðîñ ëþáèòåëÿì Hammond
Âðåìÿ: 18.07.2019 18:53 |
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>hgsq, 70 è 80 ãîäû ÿ ïîñâåðëèë ñåáå óøè èñïîëüçóÿ èìèòàòîð ëåñëè êîòîðûé íàçûâàëñÿ ôýéçåð. (Ñ âåðìîíàìè, âàëüòìåéñòåðàìè, äàæå ñ þíîñòüþ). Ñîâðåìåííûå èìèòàòîðû íàâåðíîå çíà÷èòåëüíî ëó÷øå. Íî ñ ðåàëüíûì ëåñëè - íå ñðàâíèòü. Ýòî íå ìîå ìíåíèå, ýòî ìíåíèå ìàñòèòûõ. Âîò, õîòåë áû óáåäèòüñÿ.... >À ÷òî íàñ÷åò ïåäàëè ãðîìêîñòè? Åñòü ëè òóò çíàòîêè êîòîðûå âèäåëè ïåäàëü õýììîíäà èçíóòðè? |
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Òåìà: Re: Âîïðîñ ëþáèòåëÿì Hammond
Âðåìÿ: 18.07.2019 22:03 |
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Íàñêîëüêî ÿ çíàþ, ïåäàëü ýêñïðåñèè âòûêàåòñÿ â ñàì èíñòðóìåíò è ðóëèò âíóòðå åãî (è ýòî ìîãóò áûòü ðàçíûå ïàðàìåòðû, íå òîëüêî ãðîìêîñòü).  ïåäàëü ãðîìêîñòè æå òûêàþò âûõîä èç èíñòðóìåíòà è äàëüøå óæå íà ïóëüò/óñèëèòåëü. Ò.å. ïåäàëü ãðîìêîñòè äîëæíà â ïðèíöèïå ðàáîòàòü ñ ëþáûì èíñòðóìåíòîì. Ïåäàëü ýêñïðåññèè - õç, îáû÷íî òàì ïðîñòî êîíòðîëü íàïðÿæåíèÿ. Íî êàê îíî â ñëó÷àå ñ õàììîíäîì - ìíå íåèçâåñòíî. | |
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Òåìà: Re: Âîïðîñ ëþáèòåëÿì Hammond
Âðåìÿ: 18.07.2019 22:51 |
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«Think Different»
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Íó äàë æå àäðåñ ñàéòà...åïò Òðóäíî îòêðûòü ðàçäåë: "Keyboard Accessories" Ïðî÷ò¸òå ÷òî åñòü òðè ïåäàëè äëÿ Õàììîíäà. Ãëàâíàÿ ïåäàëü ñ ôîòîýëåìåíòîì.... |
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Ïðè ìíîãîêðàòíîì òåñòå àíàëîã vs öèôða îêàçàëîñü,
÷òî êà÷åñòâåííûé öèôðîâîé çâóê îò êà÷åñòâåííîãî àíàëîãîâî îòëè÷èòü ñìîãëè íå ñïåöèàëèñòû, à òîëüêî îñöèëëîãðàô..) |
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Òåìà: Re: Âîïðîñ ëþáèòåëÿì Hammond
Âðåìÿ: 18.07.2019 23:23 |
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Ñàíêò-Ïåòåðáóðã
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Ïåäàëü ýêñïðåñèè ó Õàììîíäà òà æå ïåäàëü ãðîìêîñòè, òîëüêî òîíêîìïåíñèðîâàííàÿ. Ïðè óìåíüøåíèè ãðîìêîñòè Í× îñòàþòñÿ. Ïî ñóòè ýòî ïðîñòî ïåðåìåííûé ðåçèñòîð, ïîäêëþ÷åííûé ê ëàìïîâîìó ïðåäóñèëèòåëþ â îðãàíå. Òàì åñòü åùå ïåðåêëþ÷àòåëü normal - soft, óìåíüøàåò ãðîìêîñòü ïðèìåðíî íà 6 äá. | |
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Òåìà: Re: Âîïðîñ ëþáèòåëÿì Hammond
Âðåìÿ: 18.07.2019 23:38 |
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Ïåðåìåííûé êîíäåíñàòîð òàì êîíå÷íî, ñóòè íå ìåíÿåò. | |
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Òåìà: Re: Âîïðîñ ëþáèòåëÿì Hammond
Âðåìÿ: 19.07.2019 00:17 |
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Yamaha
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Ãðîìêîñòü â ëàìïîâîé àïïàðàòóðå ðåãóëèðóåòñÿ òîëüêî ïåðåìåííûì ðåçèñòîðîì. Ïåðåìåííûì êîíäåíñàòîðîì - òàêîãî íå áûâàåò | |
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Òåìà: Re: Âîïðîñ ëþáèòåëÿì Hammond
Âðåìÿ: 19.07.2019 12:09 |
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Ìîñêâà SL73, MODX6+, Akai Force, , Lap steel g.
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> ...Ïåäàëü ýêñïðåñèè... ...ïåäàëü ãðîìêîñòè... Ôèçè÷åñêè îíè ìîãóò íå ðàçëè÷àòüñÿ. Íî, ïåäàëü - ýòî îäíî ïîíÿòèå, ýòî æåëåçêà. Ýêñïðåññèÿ è ãðîìêîñòü - ñóòü ôóíêöèÿ. È ðàçëè÷èÿ, â ïåðâóþ î÷åðåäü, èìåííî çäåñü. Ãðîìêîñòü, ïîíÿòèå îáùåå, ãðîìêîñòü âñåãî èíñòðóìåíòà, ãðîìêîñòü îòäåëüíûõ ïàðòèé, ñåêöèé, ãîëîñîâ... Ýòî ñêîðåå ñòàòè÷íûé ïàðàìåòð. Ýêñïðåññèÿ - äèíàìè÷åñêèé ïàðàìåòð, êàê ïðàâèëî íà ñîëèðóþùèé ãîëîñ. Äèíàìèêà çâó÷àíèÿ (ïî ãðîìêîñòè, äà!) äàæå îòäåëüíî âçÿòîãî çâóêà. Âñå òàê ïðîñòî... Ìóçûêàíòû ÷àñòî ïîðàæàþò ìåíÿ òåì, ÷òî ìîãóò áîæåñòâåííî ñûãðàòü, íî âîò îáúÿñíèòü - Ãåðàñèì ñ ìóìîþ. 
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Ñëîâà, óïîòðåáëÿåìûå ïëîõîðàçâèòûìè: ÏÎÏÎäðîáíåå, îòñëîâàñîâñåì, ðàíäîìíûé, ïîõîäó, ëàéôõàê, ðóáëü (çà òûñÿ÷ó).
Íå ñóäè. Èãðàþò (êàê?) âæèâóþ, âñòàâëÿþò (â êàêóþ?) â æèâóþ. Ôàêò íàëèöî (ÍÀËÈ×åñòâóåò). Ìàñêà íà ëèöî. |
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Òåìà: Re: Âîïðîñ ëþáèòåëÿì Hammond
Âðåìÿ: 19.07.2019 12:23 |
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Ìîñêâà SL73, MODX6+, Akai Force, , Lap steel g.
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Íàñûïëþ (Ñ - Âèòÿ) ñâåðõó, ÷óòîê. Åñëè ýòè äâå ïåäàëè âêëþ÷èòü ïîñëå èíñòðóìåíòà, òî ðàçíèöû íåò. È íàçûâàòü èõ ñëåäîâàëî áû ïåäàëÿìè ãðîìêîñòè. À êîãäà âàø ëèä ñîáðàí èç òðåõ-ïÿòè çâóêîâ (ñî ñâîèìè óðîâíÿìè ãðîìêîñòè ), òî â ïðîöåññå çâó÷àíèÿ êîíêðåòíîé íîòû âû ðåãóëèðóåòå ýêñïðåññèþ . ( îáîèõ ñëó÷àÿõ óïðàâëåíèå ïåäàëÿìè.). Âîò, àãà. Ïîãðåë ñàìîëþáèå è óøåë, ñ ÷óâñòâîì èñïîëíåííîãî äîëãà. Âñåì äîáðà! |
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Ñëîâà, óïîòðåáëÿåìûå ïëîõîðàçâèòûìè: ÏÎÏÎäðîáíåå, îòñëîâàñîâñåì, ðàíäîìíûé, ïîõîäó, ëàéôõàê, ðóáëü (çà òûñÿ÷ó).
Íå ñóäè. Èãðàþò (êàê?) âæèâóþ, âñòàâëÿþò (â êàêóþ?) â æèâóþ. Ôàêò íàëèöî (ÍÀËÈ×åñòâóåò). Ìàñêà íà ëèöî. |
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Òåìà: Re: Âîïðîñ ëþáèòåëÿì Hammond
Âðåìÿ: 19.07.2019 12:51 |
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«Think Different»
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...... >Âñå òàê ïðîñòî... Ìóçûêàíòû ÷àñòî ïîðàæàþò ìåíÿ òåì, ÷òî ìîãóò áîæåñòâåííî ñûãðàòü, íî âîò îáúÿñíèòü - Ãåðàñèì ñ ìóìîþ. Òîëêîâàòåëè ÷àñòî ïîðàæàþò ìåíÿ òåì, ÷òî ìîãóò áîæåñòâåííî îáúÿñíèòü, íî âîò ñûãðàòü - Ãåðàñèì ñ ìóìîþ. Òîëêîâàòåëåé ãîðàçäî áîëüøå... 
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Ïðè ìíîãîêðàòíîì òåñòå àíàëîã vs öèôða îêàçàëîñü,
÷òî êà÷åñòâåííûé öèôðîâîé çâóê îò êà÷åñòâåííîãî àíàëîãîâî îòëè÷èòü ñìîãëè íå ñïåöèàëèñòû, à òîëüêî îñöèëëîãðàô..) |
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Òåìà: Re: Âîïðîñ ëþáèòåëÿì Hammond
Âðåìÿ: 19.07.2019 13:08 |
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Footswitch FS-9H - ïåäàëü ñîâðåìåííîãî õàììîíäà óïðàâëÿåò ñóñòåéíîì, ñêîðîñòüþ Leslie, Midi-íàñòðîéêàìè èëè äðóãèìè íàçíà÷àåììè íà íå¸ ôóíêöèÿìè // Hammond EXP-50 - åxpression ïåäàëü äëÿ XK è SK-ìîäåëåé // Hammond EXP-20 - åxpression ïåäàëü äëÿ XK-1c è SK-ìîäåëåé // Hammond EXP-100F - åxpression ïåäàëü ñ ôîòîýëåìåíòîì Ìîäåëü EXP-100F èìååò áîêîâîé ïåðåêëþ÷àòåëü, íà êîòîðûé ìîãóò áûòü íàçíà÷åíû ðàçëè÷íûå ôóíêöèè (íàïðèìåð, Ëåñëè áûñòðî / ìåäëåííî) çû Äàííûå ïåäàëè îáåñïå÷èâàþò ðåàëèñòè÷íûé îáúåìíûé-îòâåò, ê êîòîðîìó âëàäåëüöû ñîâðåìåííîãî Hammond ïðèâûêëè _______________ Leslie 3300PA REAL GENUINE LESLIE SPEAKER CABINET The Leslie 3300P has been designed with the professional touring musician in mind. This single-channel Leslie features a two-speed horn rotor utilizing our famous Ferro Fluid driver and a bass rotor with a massive 15" woofer. The Leslie 3300P is powered with an ear shattering 300-Watt RMS solid-state amplifier with a vacuum tube preamp. This is the loudest, best sounding portable Leslie ever! Master-volume, bass, mid-range, treble, horn-level and subwoofer-level controls are provided. Slow and fast speeds, rise and fall-times and even brake time can be adjusted. An 11-pin and 8-pin Leslie socket as well as a ¼" line input jack are provided. The Leslie 3300P can be connected to most electronic organs and keyboards on the market today. A ¼" line output jack suitable to drive an external subwoofer is also provided |
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Ïðè ìíîãîêðàòíîì òåñòå àíàëîã vs öèôða îêàçàëîñü,
÷òî êà÷åñòâåííûé öèôðîâîé çâóê îò êà÷åñòâåííîãî àíàëîãîâî îòëè÷èòü ñìîãëè íå ñïåöèàëèñòû, à òîëüêî îñöèëëîãðàô..)
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Òåìà: Re: Âîïðîñ ëþáèòåëÿì Hammond
Âðåìÿ: 19.07.2019 13:16 |
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Ïîðòàòèâíûé Leslie 2101 mk2 ..both portable and expandable! Our new Leslie 2101 mk2, just like its predecessor, is a complete stand-alone Leslie unit. This versatile multiple-channel Leslie can be connected to any keyboard or organ requiring an amplifier with a single channel or multi-channel input.A newly designed vacuum tube preamp and overdrive section, and an advanced Digital Leslie simulator enhance the overal sound quality of this outstanding Leslie product.The unit contains two stationary channels, namely, left and right, and a rotary channel. Each of the stationary channels is powered by a new 75W RMS amplifier and the rotary channel is powered by a 50W RMS amplifier. This gives this Leslie a total output of 200W RMSAn 11-pin Leslie-socket as well as phone-jack inputs are provided for the rotary channel and for the left and right stationary channels.The musician can adjust the slow- and fast-speed, the rise- and fall-time, as well as the brake-time. Plus... these settings can be saved. A MIDI terminal enables control of many of the Leslie functions from your organ or keyboard.Best of all..., it maintains the traditional Leslie sound !Leslie 2101 mk2 is a complete stand-alone unit that is expandableA vacuum tube with tube-overdrive make it versatile and perfect for all genres like Pops, Jazz, Roots, Rock, Country, Blues, Latin, Reggae, World/Ethnic and Folk. // Ïîðòàòèâíûé Leslie 2103 mk2 (äåðåâÿííûé íà êàðòèíêå) Our new Leslie 2103 mk2, just like its predecessor, is a complete stand-alone Leslie unit. This versatile multiple-channel Leslie can be connected to any keyboard or organ requiring an amplifier with a single channel or multi-channel input.A newly designed vacuum tube preamp and overdrive section, and an advanced Digital Leslie simulator enhance the overal sound quality of this outstanding Leslie product.The unit contains two stationary channels, namely, left and right, and a rotary channel. Each of the stationary channels is powered by a new 75W RMS amplifier and the rotary channel is powered by a 50W RMS amplifier. This gives this Leslie a total output of 200W RMSAn 11-pin Leslie-socket as well as phone-jack inputs are provided for the rotary channel and for the left and right stationary channels.The musician can adjust the slow- and fast-speed, the rise- and fall-time, as well as the brake-time. Plus... these settings can be saved. A MIDI terminal enables control of many of the Leslie functions from your organ or keyboard.Best of all..., it maintains the traditional Leslie sound !Leslie 2103 mk2 is a complete stand-alone unit that is expandableA vacuum tube with tube-overdrive make it versatile and perfect for all genres like Pops, Jazz, Roots, Rock, Country, Blues, Latin, Reggae, World/Ethnic and Folk. |
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Ïðè ìíîãîêðàòíîì òåñòå àíàëîã vs öèôða îêàçàëîñü,
÷òî êà÷åñòâåííûé öèôðîâîé çâóê îò êà÷åñòâåííîãî àíàëîãîâî îòëè÷èòü ñìîãëè íå ñïåöèàëèñòû, à òîëüêî îñöèëëîãðàô..)
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Òåìà: Re: Âîïðîñ ëþáèòåëÿì Hammond
Âðåìÿ: 19.07.2019 13:18 |
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Èíôà äëÿ òåõ, êîìó âëîì ïî÷èòàòü ñàéò...
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Ïðè ìíîãîêðàòíîì òåñòå àíàëîã vs öèôða îêàçàëîñü,
÷òî êà÷åñòâåííûé öèôðîâîé çâóê îò êà÷åñòâåííîãî àíàëîãîâî îòëè÷èòü ñìîãëè íå ñïåöèàëèñòû, à òîëüêî îñöèëëîãðàô..) |
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Òåìà: Re: Âîïðîñ ëþáèòåëÿì Hammond
Âðåìÿ: 19.07.2019 13:55 |
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Ñàíêò-Ïåòåðáóðã
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Âîïðîñ áûë ïðî ïåäàëü ýêñïðåññèè Õàììîíä îðãàíà, à íå åãî êëîíîâ. Ñîãëàñåí, íàçâàâ åå "òîíêîìïåíñèðîâàííîé ãðîìêîñòüþ", ÿ äîïóñòèë íåòî÷íîñòü. Íà ñàìîì äåëå ïåäàëü óïðàâëÿåò ôèëüòðîì, ìîäèôèöèðóþùèì çâóê. Îíà äåëàåò åãî áîëåå ïðèãëóøåííûì, ìåíåå ÿðêèì. Ïðè ýòîì ãðîìêîñòü òîæå óìåíüøàåòñÿ, íî äàæå íà ìèíèìàëüíîì ïîëîæåíèè íå ðàâíà íóëþ. Äëÿ óñòàíîâêè ãðîìêîñòè åñòü ðåãóëÿòîð â Ëåñëè. ×òî êàñàåòñÿ ïîäêëþ÷åíèÿ Ëåñëè ê êëàâèøàì, òî äà, õàðàêòåðíûé çâóê Õàììîíäà èìåííî Ëåñëè êàáèíåòîì è îïðåäåëÿåòñÿ. Ëó÷øèé ðåçóëüòàò äàåò êîíå÷íî ëàìïîâûé Ëåñëè. Nord C1, ïîäêëþ÷åííûé ê Ëåñëè, äàåò ïðàêòè÷åñêè òàêîé æå çâóê, ÷òî è æåëåçíûé, ëàìïîâî-ìåõàíè÷åñêèé Õàììîíä îðãàí. Ïðîáëåìà òîëüêî â òîì, ÷òî íàñòîÿùèé Ëåñëè, ñ âðàùàþùèìèñÿ ðóïîðîì è áàñîâûì áàðàáàíîì, âåñèò ïîä 70 êã è ïðåäñòàâëÿåò èç ñåáÿ äîâîëüíî îáúåìíûé êîìîä. |
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Yamaha
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AD975, åñëè òû èìååøü â âèäó Ñ22 íà ñõåìå (êîíäåíñàòîð ïåðå÷åðêíóòûé ñòðåëêîé), òî ýòî íå ïåðåìåííûé êîíäåíñàòîð. Ýòî êîíäåíñàòîð íåîïðåäåëåííîé åìêîñòè (îò è äî), åìêîñòü êîòîðîãî óñòàíàâëèâàåòñÿ íà çàâîäå ïðè íàñòðîéêå. (set at factory) | |
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Ñàíêò-Ïåòåðáóðã
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ß èìåþ â âèäó êîíñòðóêöèþ èç òðåõ äóã ðÿäîì ñî ñëîâàìè "expression control" | |
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Ñàíêò-Ïåòåðáóðã
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 Æåëåçíàÿ êîðîáêà â öåíòðå è åñòü expression control. Òÿãà îò ïåäàëè ÷åðåç ðû÷àã ïîâîðà÷èâàåò âàë ñïðàâà. Ïîëàãàþ, âíóòðè êàêîé-òî âàðèàíò ïåðåìåííîãî êîíäåíñàòîðà ñ ãðåáåíêîé ïîäâèæíûõ ïëàñòèí. 
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Ìîñêâà SL73, MODX6+, Akai Force, , Lap steel g.
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> Ïîëàãàþ, Âðÿä ëè. Òàêèå êîíäåíñàòîðû, òî÷íåå êîëåáàòåëüíûå êîíòóðû ïðè èõ ó÷àñòèè, ðàáîòàþò íà ÷àñòîòàõ ìíîãîêðàòíî ïðåâûøàþùèõ çâóêîâûå. Ðàçâå ÷òî íà áèåíèÿõ ÷òî-òî òàì íàêðó÷åíî, íî íå áóäåò ñòàáèëüíîñòè, òàê ÷òî âàøè ïðåäïîëîæåíèÿ, äóìàþ, íåâåðíû. Ðàñêîâûðÿëè áû... ðàç èíòåðåñ åñòü. Íàñ óæå íå ìåíåå äâóõ, èíòåðåñóþùèõñÿ... |
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Ñëîâà, óïîòðåáëÿåìûå ïëîõîðàçâèòûìè: ÏÎÏÎäðîáíåå, îòñëîâàñîâñåì, ðàíäîìíûé, ïîõîäó, ëàéôõàê, ðóáëü (çà òûñÿ÷ó).
Íå ñóäè. Èãðàþò (êàê?) âæèâóþ, âñòàâëÿþò (â êàêóþ?) â æèâóþ. Ôàêò íàëèöî (ÍÀËÈ×åñòâóåò). Ìàñêà íà ëèöî. |
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Yamaha
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"...êîíñòðóêöèþ èç òðåõ äóã ðÿäîì ñî ñëîâàìè "expression control...." ÿ âíóòðåííîñòè õýììîíäà íèêîãäà íå âèäåë. Äà è ñàì õýììîíä òîëüêî èçäàëåêà è òî - íà êàðòèíêå. Ïîýòîìó óïîäîáëÿþñü ãåðîþ Æâàíåöêîãî è ñóæó ÷òî ýòîò ýëåìåíò ñõåìû - ïåðåêëþ÷àòåëü (äâóõïîçèöèîííûé). Åñëè âñêðûòèå ïîêàæåò ÷òî îøèáàþñü - áîëüíî íå áåéòå... |
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Ñàíêò-Ïåòåðáóðã
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Âû ìåíÿ çàèíòðèãîâàëè) Ðàíüøå êàê òî íå çàäóìûâàëñÿ î òàêèõ ïîäðîáíîñòÿõ, ðàáîòàåò - ëó÷øå íå òðîãàòü. Ïî ñõåìå ñèãíàë èäåò èëè íàïðÿìóþ èëè ÷åðåç RC öåïî÷êó, òàê ÷òî äà, íàïðàøèâàåòñÿ êàêîé òî âàðèàíò ñìåñèòåëÿ. Ëèáî ìíîãîïîçèöèîíûé ïåðåêëþ÷àòåëü èëè âñå æå òðåõïîëþñíûé êîíäåíñàòîð áîëüøîé åìêîñòè, õîòÿ ïðîñòîé ïîòåíöèîìåòð áûë áû ëîãè÷íåå. Âîçìîæíî âîïðîñ íàäåæíîñòè ñûãðàë ñâîþ ðîëü. Ðàçáèðàòü íå õî÷åòñÿ, ïîèùó èíôó â ñåòè íà ôîðóìàõ. |
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Ñàíêò-Ïåòåðáóðã
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Çäåñü ïîäðîáíî ðàñïèñàíî: Ïðàâäà ïðî Â2 è ïðåàìï ÀÎ-10, íî expression, äóìàþ, òîò æå ïðèíöèï. |
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Ñòàâðîïîëü
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Ñóäÿ ïî ïðèâåäåííîìó êóñêó ñõåìû è ôîòêå Ñ22 (èëè Ñ23) îáû÷íûé ïîäñòðîå÷íûé êîíäåð ìàëîé åìêîñòè, êîòîðûé âûñòàâëÿåòñÿ ïðè ðåãóëèðîâêå íà çàâîäå â ïðåäåëàõ 9...24 ïÔ. Íà ïåðâîé ëàìïå òîæå ñòîèò (Ñ15), òîëüêî ôèêñèðîâàííîé åìêîñòè 51 ïÔ. Êàêàÿ-òî îáðàòíàÿ ñâÿçü ïî ïåðåìåíêå ñ àíîäà íà ñåòêó, âîçìîæíî, ïðîòèâîâîçáóäíàÿ öåïî÷êà èëè òèïà òîãî, êîòîðàÿ óìåíüøàåò óñèëåíèå íà Â×. Åäâà ëè îíè èìåþò îòíîøåíèå ê ðàáîòå ïåäàëè ýêñïðåññèè. | |
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TrollProof™ System
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Ñòàâðîïîëü
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 Õàììîíäàõ åñòü åùå òàêàÿ çàíÿòíàÿ øòóêà êàê âèáðàòî-ñêàííåð... íå÷òî âðîäå âðàùàþùåãîñÿ ïåðåìåííîãî êîíäåíñàòîðà, èãðàþùåãî ðîëü ñâîåîáðàçíîãî åìêîñòíîãî êîììóòàòîðà. ß òàê ïîíèìàþ, ñ ïîìîùüþ íåãî è LC-ëèíèé çàäåðæêè ôîðìèðóåòñÿ íåêîå ïîäîáèå õîðóñà èëè ôåéçåðà. | |
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TrollProof™ System
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Òåìà: Re: Âîïðîñ ëþáèòåëÿì Hammond
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Ñàíêò-Ïåòåðáóðã
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Íó, Õàììîíä ïðèäóìàë ìíîãî èíòåðåñíûõ âåùåé. Âûïóñêàëñÿ îðãàí Hammond CV ñ îòäåëüíûì òîíãåíåðàòîðîì äëÿ õîðóñ ýôôåêòà. À òàêæå ïåðâûé ïîëèôîíè÷åñêèé ëàìïîâûé ñèíòåçàòîð Hammond Novachord. Åãî ìîæíî óñëûøàòü â ñòàðûõ ôèëüìàõ óæàñîâ. | |
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Yamaha
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Ïðîñâåòèòå ïîæ ïðî âèáðàòî ó õýììîíîä, íå ñâÿçàííîå ñ ëåñëè . Åùå âîïðîñ - âèäåë ñàéò íà êîòîðîì äåìîíñòðèðóþòñÿ èçãîòîâëÿåìûå (íà çàêàç?) ïóñòûå ÿùèêè äëÿ ëýñëè. Òèïà íàáèâàé âíóòðåííîñòè è íàñëàæäàéñÿ. ß ýòîò ñàéò ïîòåðÿë è íå ìîãó íàéòè, ìîæåò ó êîãî-òî åñòü ëèíê? |
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«Think Different»
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Äà ðàçìåðû ïðîèçâîëüíûå..) Ñàìîìó ìîæíî ðîòîð êàáèíåò ñîîðóäèòü... Äàæå íå òàê êàê â þòüþá âèäåî..áåñøóìíûõ ñ ðàçíîé ñêîðîñòüþ óïðàâëÿåìûõ ìîòîð÷èêîâ íûíå íå ïðîáëåìà..ñòðàíà òî ñ âîåííûìè çàâîäàìè. (òîëüêî ïîìíèòü ÷òî ðîòîðû âñåãäà äðóã ê äðóãó äâèæóòñÿ â ïðîòèâîïîëîæíîì íàïðâëåíèè) // è ò.ä.
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Ïðè ìíîãîêðàòíîì òåñòå àíàëîã vs öèôða îêàçàëîñü,
÷òî êà÷åñòâåííûé öèôðîâîé çâóê îò êà÷åñòâåííîãî àíàëîãîâî îòëè÷èòü ñìîãëè íå ñïåöèàëèñòû, à òîëüêî îñöèëëîãðàô..) |
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Ìîñêâà SL73, MODX6+, Akai Force, , Lap steel g.
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Ñïàñèáî çà ïðèâåäåííûå ñõåìû. Íà 20-é ñõåìå íàø ÊÏÅ - êîíäåíñàòîð ïåðåìåííîé åìêîñòè. Ìåæäó ëàìïàìè V4 è V4 (äà, òàì îïå÷àòêà) Ýòîò êîíäåíñàòîð ïîçâîëÿåò âûáðàòü ìåæäó ïðÿìûì ñèãíàëîì è òåì æå ñèãíàëîì, ïðîïóùåííîì ÷åðåç ôèëüòð. Ðåãóëèðîâêà ïëàâíàÿ. Ïðåëåñòü êîíäåíñàòîðà çäåñü â òîì, ÷òî îí íèêîãäà íå áóäåò øóðøàòü.  äàííîì ñëó÷àå äåéñòâèòåëüíî ðå÷ü î ðåãóëèðîâàíèè óðîâíÿ ñèãíàëà ñ òîíêîìïåíñàöèåé ïàññèâíûì ôèëüòðîì. È çäåñü äåëî â òåðìèíîëîãèè. Çàïàäíàÿ èíæåíåðíàÿ øêîëà ãðåøèò ýòîé áåñòîëêîâîñòüþ. Òî, ÷òî çäåñü íàçûâàåòñÿ ýêñïðåññèåé ìîæíî òàêæå íàçâàòü ðåãóëèðîâêîé óðîâíÿ ãðîìêîñòè ñ òîíêîìïåíñàöèåé, òàêæå ìîæíî íàçâàòü ÿðêîñòüþ, òåìáðîì, è åùå êàêîé "îáðàçíîñòüþ". Òàê ÷òî äà, ýêñïðåññèÿ. Èíòåðåñíî, ÷òî òàê ëåãêî ýòî ðåàëèçóåòñÿ â ëàìïîâûõ ñõåìàõ, â òðàíçèñòîðíûõ íå ïðîêàòèò... |
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Ñëîâà, óïîòðåáëÿåìûå ïëîõîðàçâèòûìè: ÏÎÏÎäðîáíåå, îòñëîâàñîâñåì, ðàíäîìíûé, ïîõîäó, ëàéôõàê, ðóáëü (çà òûñÿ÷ó).
Íå ñóäè. Èãðàþò (êàê?) âæèâóþ, âñòàâëÿþò (â êàêóþ?) â æèâóþ. Ôàêò íàëèöî (ÍÀËÈ×åñòâóåò). Ìàñêà íà ëèöî. |
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Yamaha
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U_Sergio, åñëè âû èìååòå â âèäó "...êîíñòðóêöèþ èç òðåõ äóã ðÿäîì ñî ñëîâàìè "expression control...." òî ðàçðåøèòå â âàìè íå ñîãëàñèòñÿ. Òàêîé ïåðåìåííûé êîíäåíñàòîð (äëÿ âàøåé êîíöåïñèè) äîëæåí èìåòü 2 áîëîêà ïî ñêàæåì 10000 ïô (ãðóáàÿ ïðèêèäêà), ÷òî òåõíè÷åñêè íå ðåàëèçóåìî. (Èìõî ìîÿ ñêðîìíàÿ) | |
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Òåìà: Re: Âîïðîñ ëþáèòåëÿì Hammond
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Ìîñêâà SL73, MODX6+, Akai Force, , Lap steel g.
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Äà, åìêîñòü êàæäîé ñåêöèè ìàêñèìóì 500 ïô, ïî ìîèì ïðèêèäêàì. Ýòîãî ìàëî. È ðàáîòàòü ìîæåò, åñëè òîëüêî ó ýòîé ëàìïû îãðîìíîå âõîäíîå ñîïðîòèâëåíèå. Äà, ÿ ñ âàìè ñîãëàñåí è èçíà÷àëüíî òîæå òàê ñ÷èòàë. Íî, åñëè ñõåìà íå ñ ïîòîëêà, òî èíà÷å îíà ðàáîòàòü íå ìîæåò. Ïîñìîòðåë åùå ðàç ñõåìó. Ñåòêà íà çåìëþ ÷åðåç 3.3 Ìîì. Äà è âîîáùå, òàì è â ïðåäûäóùåì êàñêàäå âñå î÷åíü òîíêî, íî, äàæå ïðè áîëüøîé àìïëèòóäå ñèãíàëà åìêîñòü ÊÏÅ ìàëîâàòà. Íî, òàì ñâåðõó çàïèñü radio-phono è Ñ22 - ïîäñòðîå÷íèê, ÷òî ãîâîðèò âñå æå çà ðàäèî÷àñòîòó. Íàâåðíî åñòü íåñóùàÿ è åñòü ìîäóëÿöèÿ. Ïðàâàÿ ëàìïà ðàáîòàåò íå òîëüêî â ðåæèìå óñèëåíèÿ. Ïîêà íåò âðåìåíè âíèêàòü ãëóáæå, íî ñõåìîòåõíèêà èíòåðåñíàÿ, äà. |
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Ñëîâà, óïîòðåáëÿåìûå ïëîõîðàçâèòûìè: ÏÎÏÎäðîáíåå, îòñëîâàñîâñåì, ðàíäîìíûé, ïîõîäó, ëàéôõàê, ðóáëü (çà òûñÿ÷ó).
Íå ñóäè. Èãðàþò (êàê?) âæèâóþ, âñòàâëÿþò (â êàêóþ?) â æèâóþ. Ôàêò íàëèöî (ÍÀËÈ×åñòâóåò). Ìàñêà íà ëèöî. |
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Ñàíêò-Ïåòåðáóðã
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Íó òàì íà ôîòî âèäíî ãðåáåíêó, ïîäîçðèòåëüíî ïîõîæóþ íà ÊÏÅ. Ìîæíî êîíå÷íî íàïèñàòü ñ âîïðîñîì àìåðèêàíñêèì ñïåöàì, íî ìíå ëè÷íî êàæåòñÿ ýòîò âîïðîñ íå çàñëóæèâàþùèì ñòîëü ïðèñòàëüíîãî âíèìàíèÿ. Alexjer, åñëè ðåøèòåñü ñòðîèòü Ëåñëè, ìîãó ïðåäëîæèòü áàñîâûé áàðàáàí, Í× äèíàìèê è Â× äðàéâåð èç Ëåñëè. Ëåæàò áåç äåëà, ó ñàìîãî ðóêè íå äîøëè. |
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Ìîñêâà SL73, MODX6+, Akai Force, , Lap steel g.
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Ñòîï, à ýòîò êîíäåð íà áîëüøîì ôîòî - îí îòêóäà? Öåïè òàì äåéñòâèòåëüíî âûñîêîîìíûå, êîíäåíñàòîð äî 10000 ïô ðåàëèçîâàòü âïîëíå âîçìîæíî â òàêîì ãàáàðèòå. Ýòî ìîãóò áûòü ïëàñòèíû ñî ñëþäÿíûìè èçîëÿòîðàìè, êàê ýòî áûëî â ñâîå âðåìÿ. Òàê ÷òî, âñå âñòàåò íà ñâîè ìåñòà, òàì äåéñòâèòåëüíî ÊÏÅ. È áîëüøå íèêàêèõ ñåêðåòîâ. |
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Ñëîâà, óïîòðåáëÿåìûå ïëîõîðàçâèòûìè: ÏÎÏÎäðîáíåå, îòñëîâàñîâñåì, ðàíäîìíûé, ïîõîäó, ëàéôõàê, ðóáëü (çà òûñÿ÷ó).
Íå ñóäè. Èãðàþò (êàê?) âæèâóþ, âñòàâëÿþò (â êàêóþ?) â æèâóþ. Ôàêò íàëèöî (ÍÀËÈ×åñòâóåò). Ìàñêà íà ëèöî. |
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Òåìà: Re: Âîïðîñ ëþáèòåëÿì Hammond
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Yamaha
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AD975, " áàñîâûé áàðàáàí, Í× äèíàìèê è Â× äðàéâåð èç Ëåñëè). ß æèâó â Èåðóñàëèìå, êàê îðãàíèçîâàòü äîñòàâêó? Êàêèå ìîùíîñòè ãîëîâîê? Ñêîëüêî ñòîèò? U_Sergio, äà, ïðî ñóùåñòâîâàíèå êïå ñ òâåðäûì äèýëåêòðèêîì ÿ êàê-òî çàáûë... |
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Òåìà: Re: Âîïðîñ ëþáèòåëÿì Hammond
Âðåìÿ: 21.07.2019 00:34 |
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Ñàíêò-Ïåòåðáóðã
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Íó åñëè òàê äàëåêî, òî ïðîùå ïðÿìî íà ebay êóïèòü. Âîò çäåñü ìíîãî ÷åãî èíòåðåñíîãî åñòü, íî öåíû êóñàþòñÿ. |
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