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Óâàæàåìîå ñîáðàíèå!
Ïîä ðóêîé ó ìåíÿ åñòü Microkorg XL+. Âîò â þòóáàõ âèäåî: Korg microKORG XL Synthesizer Vocoder Demo | FullCompass
Ïðÿìàÿ ññûëêà: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OATHRi-B2a0
Ðàáîòà ñ âîêîäåðîì íà âðåìåíè 2-40 - 2-59
Ïîëó÷àåòñÿ, ÷òî ôîðìèðóåòñÿ ñýìïë ñ ìèêðîôîííîãî âõîäà? È ãäå îí ïðÿ÷åòñÿ?

Êàê ìíå ýòî ïîâòîðèòü???
Ïîäñêàæèòå, åñëè ýòî âàñ íå çàòðóäíèò.
Ñëîâà, óïîòðåáëÿåìûå ïëîõîðàçâèòûìè: ÏÎÏÎäðîáíåå, îòñëîâàñîâñåì, ðàíäîìíûé, ïîõîäó, ëàéôõàê, ðóáëü (çà òûñÿ÷ó).
Íå ñóäè. Èãðàþò (êàê?) âæèâóþ, âñòàâëÿþò (â êàêóþ?) â æèâóþ. Ôàêò íàëèöî (ÍÀËÈ×åñòâóåò). Ìàñêà íà ëèöî.
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Òðè «ÿìàõè» ó îêíà

 ðîëèêå ñêàçàíî, ÷òî ýòî íàçûâàåòñÿ freeze formant, íî íà ïàíåëè èíñòðóìåíòà ñîîòâåòñòâóþùåé íàäïèñè íå âèäíî. Ãäå-òî â ìåíþøêàõ, íàâåðíîå.

Ñêàæèòå, ïîæàëóéñòà, îáðàáàòûâàåòñÿ ëè ýôôåêòàìè (âîêîäåð è äð.) ñèãíàë ñ ëèíåéíîãî âõîäà? Åñëè äà, ìîæíî ëè îòêëþ÷èòü îáðàáîòêó âõîäà, íî îñòàâèòü òàêîâóþ äëÿ øòàòíîãî ìèêðîôîíà?
Ïëîõèõ ñèíòîâ, ïîâåðüòå, íå áûâàåò – ëèøü èãðóíû áûâàþò òàê ñåáå.

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SL73, MODX6+, Akai Force, , Lap steel g.

Äà, "çàìîðîæåííàÿ ôîðìàíòà..."
Âõîä, êîòîðûé îáðàáàòûâàåòñÿ ýôôåêòàìè, åñòü âûáîð ïåðåêëþ÷àòåëÿ âõîäîâ - ëèíåéíîãî èëè ìèêðîôîííîãî, êîòîðûé øòàòíûé. Òî åñòü, èëè XLR (êîòîðûé íà ïåðåäíåé ïàíåëè) ñ ïðåäóñèëèòåì, ëèáî âõîä ñ äæåêà. Ïåðåêëþ÷àòåëü íàõîäèòñÿ íà çàäíåé ïàíåëè ó âõîäíîãî äæåêà.

Êðèâî íàïèñàë, îäíàêî...
Íî, äóìàþ ÷òî ìåíÿ âñå ïîéìóò.  îáùåì ýôôåêòû (è âîêîäåð â òîì ÷èñëå) ðàáîòàþò ñ ñèãíàëîì, âûáðàííûì ïåðåêëþ÷àòåëåì âõîäîâ. Èëè ëèíåéíûé âõîä, èëè ìèêðîôîííûé.
Íî, òóò íèêàêèõ îãðàíè÷åíèé íåò. Ìèêøåð íà òî.

P S Ñåé÷àñ âîò ñêà÷àë ðîäíîå íåðóññêîå îïèñàíèå íà XL+ http://i.korg.com/uploads/Support/USA_microKORG_XL_plus_OM_E1.pdf

Òàì, íà 56 ñòð. åñòü êàê ðàç ïðî Formant Freeze

EF.SENS (Envelope Follower Sens).................................[000...126, HOLD]
Specifies the sensitivity of the modulator’s Envelope Followers. Lower settings of this value will allow the attacks of the input signal to be detected
more rapidly.
If you set this to Hold, the character of the signal that is being input at that
moment will be held (Formant Freeze). Subsequently, the sound will retain
that character regardless of whether there is any input.

If you set this to Hold when there isno inputsignal present, there will
be no output even if an audio signal is subsequently input.
NOTE If you write the program with this value set to Hold, the program will
memorize the response of the signal that was being held.

Áóäó ðàçáèðàäçå.
Ñëîâà, óïîòðåáëÿåìûå ïëîõîðàçâèòûìè: ÏÎÏÎäðîáíåå, îòñëîâàñîâñåì, ðàíäîìíûé, ïîõîäó, ëàéôõàê, ðóáëü (çà òûñÿ÷ó).
Íå ñóäè. Èãðàþò (êàê?) âæèâóþ, âñòàâëÿþò (â êàêóþ?) â æèâóþ. Ôàêò íàëèöî (ÍÀËÈ×åñòâóåò). Ìàñêà íà ëèöî.
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Íèæíåêðàôòâåðêñê
Òðè «ÿìàõè» ó îêíà

> ýôôåêòû (è âîêîäåð â òîì ÷èñëå) ðàáîòàþò ñ ñèãíàëîì, âûáðàííûì ïåðåêëþ÷àòåëåì âõîäîâ

À åñëè âûáðàí ìèêðîôîííûé âõîä, ëèíåéíûé âîîáùå îòêëþ÷àåòñÿ èëè ïðîñòî íå îáðàáàòûâàåòñÿ?
Ïëîõèõ ñèíòîâ, ïîâåðüòå, íå áûâàåò – ëèøü èãðóíû áûâàþò òàê ñåáå.

http://plugger.narod.ru
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Ìîñêâà
SL73, MODX6+, Akai Force, , Lap steel g.

Ìàëîñòü ðàçîáðàëñÿ, àãà...
Ýòî ñàìàÿ ïðàâàÿ êðóòèëêà, óñòàíàâëèâàåòñÿ ïàðàìåòð EF.Sens íà íåå, èç ïðàâîãî êðàéíåãî ïîëîæåíèÿ â ìîìåíò çàïèñè ïåðåâîäèì ðó÷êó ÷óòü ëåâåå,
ãîëîñîì ïîåì êëåâóþ ãëàñíóþ è â ýòîò ìîìåíò ðó÷êó âïðàâî. Âñå, òåïåðü ñýìïë çâó÷èò ïî âñåìó çâóêîðÿäó, êàê íàäî.
Êðîìå ñèãíàëà ìèêðîôîíà ïîêà íè÷åãî äðóãîãî íå ïðîáîâàë, â äðóãîé äåíü.
À âîò "÷èëàâý÷èíà" çâó÷èò ìÿãêî...
Ñëîâà, óïîòðåáëÿåìûå ïëîõîðàçâèòûìè: ÏÎÏÎäðîáíåå, îòñëîâàñîâñåì, ðàíäîìíûé, ïîõîäó, ëàéôõàê, ðóáëü (çà òûñÿ÷ó).
Íå ñóäè. Èãðàþò (êàê?) âæèâóþ, âñòàâëÿþò (â êàêóþ?) â æèâóþ. Ôàêò íàëèöî (ÍÀËÈ×åñòâóåò). Ìàñêà íà ëèöî.
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Âðåìÿ: 04.05.2015 00:03 
Ìîñêâà
SL73, MODX6+, Akai Force, , Lap steel g.

>>> À åñëè âûáðàí ìèêðîôîííûé âõîä, ëèíåéíûé âîîáùå îòêëþ÷àåòñÿ èëè ïðîñòî íå îáðàáàòûâàåòñÿ?

Îáÿçàí îòêëþ÷èòüñÿ. ß ïîïðîáóþ, îòïèøóñü.

À âîîáùå òàì ñòîèò ÏÅÐÅêëþ÷àòåëü. Äëÿ òàêîãî óñòðîéñòâà ðàáîòàåò ôîðìóëà Ïèôàãîðà - îäíîé îïîé íà äâà î÷êà íå ñÿäåøü... Íå ê íî÷è áóäåò ñêàçàíî...
:) :) :)
Ñëîâà, óïîòðåáëÿåìûå ïëîõîðàçâèòûìè: ÏÎÏÎäðîáíåå, îòñëîâàñîâñåì, ðàíäîìíûé, ïîõîäó, ëàéôõàê, ðóáëü (çà òûñÿ÷ó).
Íå ñóäè. Èãðàþò (êàê?) âæèâóþ, âñòàâëÿþò (â êàêóþ?) â æèâóþ. Ôàêò íàëèöî (ÍÀËÈ×åñòâóåò). Ìàñêà íà ëèöî.
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Íèæíåêðàôòâåðêñê
Òðè «ÿìàõè» ó îêíà

> Îáÿçàí îòêëþ÷èòüñÿ. ß ïîïðîáóþ, îòïèøóñü.

À åñëè ëèíåéíûé âõîä âûáðàí, òî â ðåæèìå âîêîäåðà îí áóäåò îáðàáàòûâàòüñÿ â ëþáîì ñëó÷àå? Ïðîñòî èíòåðåñíî, ìîæíî ëè "ðîáîòà äàâàòü!" ïîä ìèíóñîâêó èëè äðóãîé ñèíòåçàòîð, ïîäêëþ÷¸ííûé ê ýòîìó ñàìîìó ëèíåéíîìó âõîäó. Åñòåñòâåííî, ÷òî îáðàáîòêà ñèãíàëà íà âõîäå â ýòîì ñëó÷àå ñîâåðøåííî íè ê ÷åìó.
Ïëîõèõ ñèíòîâ, ïîâåðüòå, íå áûâàåò – ëèøü èãðóíû áûâàþò òàê ñåáå.

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