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Òåìà: Íàñòðîéêà ãðîìêîñòè òåìáðà
Âðåìÿ: 01.09.2014 14:07 |
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Îðåíáóðã Êëàâèøè ![]() ![]() ![]() |
Ïðîáëåìà â ñëåäóþùåì: èìååòñÿ ñèíòåçàòîð Casio ctk-6000, è â í¸ì åñòü ðåäàêòîð òåìáðîâ.  ýòîì ðåäàêòîðå âîçìîæíî èçìåíèòü Attack Time è Release Time (âðåìÿ íàðàñòàíèÿ è âðåìÿ çàòóõàíèÿ ãðîìêîñòè òåìáðà). Ïîäðîáíîñòè â ïðèêðåïë¸ííîì èçîáðàæåíèè. Ìíå æå â äàííûé ìîìåíò íóæíî íàñòðîèòü âðåìÿ çàòóõàíèÿ òåìáðà ÄÎ îòïóñêàíèÿ êëàâèøè, à íå ïîñëå íå¸. Ñêàæåì, ñòàíäàðòíûé òåìáð ïèàíèíî ïîëíîñòüþ çàòóõàåò çà 3-4 ñåêóíäû, äàæå åñëè êëàâèøó íå îòïóñêàòü. À âîò òåìáð ýëåêòðîãèòàðû (Distortion Guitar) óïðÿìî ïðîäîëæàåò çâó÷àòü íà òîé æå ãðîìêîñòè, ïîêà êëàâèøó íå îòïóñòèòü. Åñòü ëè ñïîñîá äîáàâèòü òàêîå çàòóõàíèå â òåìáð ãèòàðû? Íè â ìàíóàëå, íè â ãóãëå íè÷åãî ïóòíîãî íå íàø¸ë, âîçìîæíî ÿ íå çíàþ êàêîãî-òî âàæíîãî êëþ÷åâîãî ñëîâà. |
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Òåìà: Re: Íàñòðîéêà ãðîìêîñòè òåìáðà
Âðåìÿ: 01.09.2014 14:22 |
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Èâàíîâî Nord Electro 4D SW61, Nord Lead 2X ![]() ![]() ![]() |
Íåîáõîäèìî ðåãèëèðîâàòü ïàðàìåòð Sustain, êîíå÷íî, åñëè òàêàÿ âîçìîæíîñòü èìååòñÿ. | |
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Òåìà: Re: Íàñòðîéêà ãðîìêîñòè òåìáðà
Âðåìÿ: 01.09.2014 14:22 |
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Èðê.îáë ãèòàðà, áàðàáàíû ![]() ![]() ![]() |
ïîãóãëè ADSR | |
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Òåìà: Re: Íàñòðîéêà ãðîìêîñòè òåìáðà
Âðåìÿ: 01.09.2014 15:05 |
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Îðåíáóðã Êëàâèøè ![]() ![]() ![]() |
Äà, ïîõîæå, ÷òî íóæåí Sustain. Çà áóãðîì ïèøóò, ÷òî äëÿ ìîåé ìîäåëè îí ìîæåò óïðàâëÿòüñÿ òîëüêî ïåäàëüþ. Ëàäíî, âñ¸ ðàâíî õîòåë êóïèòü. Ñïàñèáî çà ïîìîùü) | |
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Òåìà: Re: Íàñòðîéêà ãðîìêîñòè òåìáðà
Âðåìÿ: 01.09.2014 15:15 |
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Îðåíáóðã Êëàâèøè ![]() ![]() ![]() |
Âîò òîëüêî íà ìîåé ïàìÿòè ïåäàëü íàîáîðîò ïðîäëåâàåò çâó÷àíèå ïîñëå ñíÿòèÿ êëàâèøè, à íå ãëóøèò ãðîìêîñòü äî ñíÿòèÿ. Ïî êðàéíåé ìåðå òàê áûëî íà îáû÷íîì ïèàíèíî. Ýòî êàê-òî íàñòðàèâàåòñÿ? Íàâåðíîå îïÿòü æå îò ìîäåëè çàâèñèò. | |
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Òåìà: Re: Íàñòðîéêà ãðîìêîñòè òåìáðà
Âðåìÿ: 01.09.2014 15:40 |
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>Äà, ïîõîæå, ÷òî íóæåí Sustain. Çà áóãðîì ïèøóò, ÷òî äëÿ ìîåé ìîäåëè îí ìîæåò óïðàâëÿòüñÿ òîëüêî ïåäàëüþ. Ýòî ÍÅ ÒÎÒ ñóñòåéí, ÷òî ïåäàëüþ óïðàâëÿåòñÿ.  ñèíòåçàòîðîñòðîåíèè óêîðåíèëèñü äâà â îáùåì-òî ðàçëè÷íûõ ïîíÿòèÿ, îáçûâàåìûõ îäíèì òåðìèíîì: "Sustain". Îäíî èç òàêèõ ïîíÿòèé - ýòî ÷àñòü ñòàíäàðòíîé îãèáàþùåé ADSR (Attack-Decay-Sustain-Release), è Âàì íóæíî ðåãóëèðîâàòü èìåííî å¸ äëÿ æåëàåìîãî "ñïàäà" çâóêà, æåëàòåëüíî âêóïå ñ ïàðàìåòðîì Decay, ÷òîáû ýòîò ñàìûé ñïàä ïîëó÷èëñÿ áîëåå åñòåññòâåííûì. Äðóãîå ïîíÿòèå, äåéñòâèòåëüíî, îòíîñèòñÿ ê ïåäàëè, äåéñòâóþùåé ïîäîáíî ïðàâîé ïåäàëè ôîðòåïèàíî, è íèêàêîãî îòíîøåíèÿ ê ðåäàêöèè çâóêà íå èìååò. Åñëè ó÷èòûâàòü, ÷òî ðå÷ü î CASIO ![]() |
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Òåìà: Re: Íàñòðîéêà ãðîìêîñòè òåìáðà
Âðåìÿ: 01.09.2014 15:57 |
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Èâàíîâî Nord Electro 4D SW61, Nord Lead 2X ![]() ![]() ![]() |
Ïîäîçðåâàþ, ÷òî äåëî òàê è îáñòîèò. | |
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Òåìà: Re: Íàñòðîéêà ãðîìêîñòè òåìáðà
Âðåìÿ: 01.09.2014 17:07 |
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Áàäåí-Áàäåí Ôåðøèáóíã ![]() |
>Ïîäîçðåâàþ, ÷òî äåëî òàê è îáñòîèò. à íå íàäî òàê çëîðàäñòâîâàòü) êàñå ýòî ïðîñòèòåëüíî) à âîò òî, ÷òî â ëó÷øåì ñèíòå ñîâðåìåííîñòè (ïî âåðñèè ëþñüêè) nord stage2 èç êëàññè÷åñêèõ ADSR åñòü òîëüêî ASR, èëè ADR, - ýòî êàêîâî?) çà 4000 ýéðî ))) Shy; Mon May 12, 2014 9:11 am As for "why ADR/ASR?" - because someone at Clavia is an idiot who thinks their customers are idiots who prefer to have their artistic freedom severely limited because they can't grasp one of the most basic concepts in a simple musical instrument. There is no other explanation. In an analog polyphonic synth, it might make sense technically (much simpler and cheaper to design), but not in a modern digital synth. òóò ïðî íîðòëèä , íî â ñòýéäæå òîò æå êîñÿê íà äåëå ýòî âûëèâàåòñÿ â òî , ÷òî çâóê ñî ñëîæíîé îãèáàþùåé òèïà ñôîðöàíäî íà íîðäå ñäåëàòü àïïàðàòíûìè ñðåäñòâàìè íåâîçìîæíî òîëüêî ñåìïëèðîâàòü .... íî òîëüêî îäèí ñëîé ... è òîëüêî ìèëè####ðè÷åñêèé îáúåì ïàìÿòè .... 21éâåê, êóëå ![]() |
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"çíàòü íàçâàíèÿ àêêîðäîâ-ñîçâó÷èé íå îáÿçàòåëüíî.Ñîçâó÷èÿ ýòî âñåãî ëèøü êðàñêè...." (C) liusi=pROFI=ÂÈÊÒÎÐ_ÁÛ×ÊÎÂ=wau2009 (C)
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Òåìà: Re: Íàñòðîéêà ãðîìêîñòè òåìáðà
Âðåìÿ: 01.09.2014 17:25 |
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Èâàíîâî Nord Electro 4D SW61, Nord Lead 2X ![]() ![]() ![]() |
>>Ïîäîçðåâàþ, ÷òî äåëî òàê è îáñòîèò. >à íå íàäî òàê çëîðàäñòâîâàòü)  êàêîì ìåñòå? >êàñå ýòî ïðîñòèòåëüíî) Ìàò ÷àñòü ó÷èòü íàäî. >à âîò òî, ÷òî â ëó÷øåì ñèíòå ñîâðåìåííîñòè (ïî âåðñèè ëþñüêè) nord stage2 èç êëàññè÷åñêèõ ADSR åñòü òîëüêî ASR, èëè ADR, - ýòî êàêîâî?) >çà 4000 ýéðî ))) >http://www.kvraudio.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=102 &t=411367&sid=a3f48d711b48a304d...4f2e85#p5745345 >Shy; Mon May 12, 2014 9:11 am >As for "why ADR/ASR?" - because someone at Clavia is an idiot who thinks their customers are idiots who prefer to have their artistic freedom severely limited because they can't grasp one of the most basic concepts in a simple musical instrument. There is no other explanation. In an analog polyphonic synth, it might make sense technically (much simpler and cheaper to design), but not in a modern digital synth. >òóò ïðî íîðòëèä , íî â ñòýéäæå òîò æå êîñÿê >íà äåëå ýòî âûëèâàåòñÿ â òî , ÷òî çâóê ñî ñëîæíîé îãèáàþùåé òèïà ñôîðöàíäî íà íîðäå ñäåëàòü àïïàðàòíûìè ñðåäñòâàìè íåâîçìîæíî >òîëüêî ñåìïëèðîâàòü .... íî òîëüêî îäèí ñëîé ... è òîëüêî ìèëè####ðè÷åñêèé îáúåì ïàìÿòè .... 21éâåê, êóëå Ëè÷íî ìåíÿ ýòî íå íàïðÿãàåò âîâñå. Äëÿ "êëàññè÷åñêèõ" òåìáðîâ ðåãóëèðîâêà îãèáàþùåé íå íóæíà â ïðèíöèïå. Äëÿ ñèíòåòèêè åñòü Ëèä. |
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Òåìà: Re: Íàñòðîéêà ãðîìêîñòè òåìáðà
Âðåìÿ: 01.09.2014 18:26 |
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>>>Ïîäîçðåâàþ, ÷òî äåëî òàê è îáñòîèò. >>à íå íàäî òàê çëîðàäñòâîâàòü) > êàêîì ìåñòå? >>êàñå ýòî ïðîñòèòåëüíî) >Ìàò ÷àñòü ó÷èòü íàäî. >>à âîò òî, ÷òî â ëó÷øåì ñèíòå ñîâðåìåííîñòè (ïî âåðñèè ëþñüêè) nord stage2 èç êëàññè÷åñêèõ ADSR åñòü òîëüêî ASR, èëè ADR, - ýòî êàêîâî?) >>çà 4000 ýéðî ))) >>http://www.kvraudio.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=10 2 &t=411367&sid=a3f48d711b48a304d...4f2e85#p5745345 >>Shy; Mon May 12, 2014 9:11 am >>As for "why ADR/ASR?" - because someone at Clavia is an idiot who thinks their customers are idiots who prefer to have their artistic freedom severely limited because they can't grasp one of the most basic concepts in a simple musical instrument. There is no other explanation. In an analog polyphonic synth, it might make sense technically (much simpler and cheaper to design), but not in a modern digital synth. >>òóò ïðî íîðòëèä , íî â ñòýéäæå òîò æå êîñÿê >>íà äåëå ýòî âûëèâàåòñÿ â òî , ÷òî çâóê ñî ñëîæíîé îãèáàþùåé òèïà ñôîðöàíäî íà íîðäå ñäåëàòü àïïàðàòíûìè ñðåäñòâàìè íåâîçìîæíî >>òîëüêî ñåìïëèðîâàòü .... íî òîëüêî îäèí ñëîé ... è òîëüêî ìèëè####ðè÷åñêèé îáúåì ïàìÿòè .... 21éâåê, êóëå >Ëè÷íî ìåíÿ ýòî íå íàïðÿãàåò âîâñå. Äëÿ "êëàññè÷åñêèõ" òåìáðîâ ðåãóëèðîâêà îãèáàþùåé íå íóæíà â ïðèíöèïå. >Äëÿ ñèíòåòèêè åñòü Ëèä. Àíäðåé,èãíîðü è âñå,íåðâû öåëåå áóäóò ![]() |
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Òåìà: Re: Íàñòðîéêà ãðîìêîñòè òåìáðà
Âðåìÿ: 01.09.2014 18:35 |
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Èâàíîâî Nord Electro 4D SW61, Nord Lead 2X ![]() ![]() ![]() |
>>>>Ïîäîçðåâàþ, ÷òî äåëî òàê è îáñòîèò. >>>à íå íàäî òàê çëîðàäñòâîâàòü) >> êàêîì ìåñòå? >Àíäðåé,èãíîðü è âñå,íåðâû öåëåå áóäóò Äà è íå íåðâíè÷àþ ![]() |
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Òåìà: Re: Íàñòðîéêà ãðîìêîñòè òåìáðà
Âðåìÿ: 01.09.2014 18:36 |
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Èâàíîâî Nord Electro 4D SW61, Nord Lead 2X ![]() ![]() ![]() |
Ñåðåãà, à òû íå óâëåêàéñÿ îâåðêâîòèíãîì ![]() |
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