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Âðåìÿ: 17.02.2014 13:17 
Ìîñêâà
Ýë. ãèòàðà, ãèòàðà

Âñåì äîáðîãî äíÿ!

Ïðîøó ïîìî÷ü â âûáîðå èíñèòðóìåíòà. Çàäà÷è ñëåäóþùèå:
ß ãèòàðèñò, õî÷ó íàó÷èòüñÿ èãðàòü è ñî÷èíÿòü íà êëàâèøíûõ. Ñ ìóçûêàëüíîé òåîðèåé çíàêîì.
Âîïðîñ â òîì, ÷òî ëó÷øå ñåé÷àñ âçÿòü - äåøåâî è ñåðäèòî èëè íîðìàëüíûé õîðîøèé èíñòðóìåíò?
Åñëè ó÷åñòü, ÷òî ÿ â êëàâèøàõ "÷àéíèê" ñòîèò ëè ïðèîáðåòàòü ÷òî-òî áîëåå ñåðüåçíîå, ÷åì, íàïðèìåð, Yamaha - 433?
Ïî äåíüãàì, â ïðèíöèïå, ìîãó ïîçâîëèòü ïðèîáðåñòè áîëåå äîðîãîé èíñòðóìåíò, íî ñòîèò ëè, åñëè âñå ðàâíî íà÷èíàòü "ñ íóëÿ"?
Ðàçóìååòñÿ, èíñòðóìåíò ÷èñòî äëÿ äîìà - ó÷èòüñÿ, ó÷èòüñÿ è åùå ðàç ó÷èòüñÿ...
Äà, çàáûë ñêàçàòü - êëàññèêó è ñëîæíûå êîìïîçèöèè èãðàòü òî÷íî íå áóäó, ÷òî-òî ïðîñòîå äëÿ íà÷àëà, ò.å. 5 îêòàâ âïîëíå õâàòèò.
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Èãðàþ òàêè íà ìåíîðå


ÈÌÕÎ:

1) Íàñêîëüêî ñåðü¸çíî íàìåðåíèå è âîçìîæíîñòü
2) Ìåíÿòü èíñòðóìåíòû ïðèä¸òñÿ ñî âðåìåíåì òàê èëè èíà÷å
3) Íà âñåõ ßìàõàõ R2xx, E-2xx, E-3xx, E-4xx è âûøå íà âñåõ PSR-àõ îäèíàêîâî õðåíîâûé çâóê.

Çíàêîìûé ìóçûêàíò ñîâåòóåò äëÿ ó÷¸áû êóïèòü ëþáîé äåøåâûé èíñòðóìåíò â ÷àñòíîñòè èñïðàâíûé á/ó Yamaha R200 ÷òîáû ðàçáèòü è âûêèíóòü áûëî íå æàëêî. Âûèãðàþòñÿ âðåìÿ è äåíüãè ÷òîáû îïðåäåëèòüñÿ è ïîíÿòü ÷òî íóæíî.
Àâòîð
Òåìà: Re: Ïîìîãèòå îïðåäåëèòüñÿ ñ ðàáî÷èì èíñòðóìåíòîì
Âðåìÿ: 17.02.2014 14:15 
ãäå-òî íà þãå àñàøàé
Roland FP-10, CME XKey 37, Ibanez TMB100M, ROLI Lightpad Block,

>Âîïðîñ â òîì, ÷òî ëó÷øå ñåé÷àñ âçÿòü - äåøåâî è ñåðäèòî èëè íîðìàëüíûé õîðîøèé èíñòðóìåíò?
>Åñëè ó÷åñòü, ÷òî ÿ â êëàâèøàõ "÷àéíèê" ñòîèò ëè ïðèîáðåòàòü ÷òî-òî áîëåå ñåðüåçíîå, ÷åì, íàïðèìåð, Yamaha - 433?
Ñòîèò, èáî çàíÿòèÿ íà ÝÒÎÌ âðÿä ëè õîðîøî ñêàæóòñÿ íà ïîñòàíîâêå ðóêè.
Âñå, íàïèñàííîå â ýòîé êíèãå, ìîæåò îêàçàòüñÿ íåïðàâäîé...
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Âðåìÿ: 17.02.2014 14:31 
Í-ñê
Keyboards

>Çíàêîìûé ìóçûêàíò ñîâåòóåò äëÿ ó÷¸áû êóïèòü ëþáîé äåøåâûé èíñòðóìåíò â ÷àñòíîñòè èñïðàâíûé á/ó Yamaha R200 ÷òîáû ðàçáèòü è âûêèíóòü áûëî íå æàëêî. Âûèãðàþòñÿ âðåìÿ è äåíüãè ÷òîáû îïðåäåëèòüñÿ è ïîíÿòü ÷òî íóæíî.

Ó êëàâèàòóðû PSR-R200 íåò ÷óâñòâèòåëüíîñòè ñ ñêîðîñòè êàñàíèÿ. Ñðàâíèòå âêëàäêè "Õàðàêòåðèñòèêè" è "Ñïåöèôèêàöèè" íà ýòèõ ñòðàíèöàõ:
http://ru.yamaha.com/ru/products/musical-instruments/keyboards/digitalkeyboards/...200/?mode=model
http://ru.yamaha.com/ru/products/musical-instruments/keyboards/digitalkeyboards/...300/?mode=model
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Âðåìÿ: 17.02.2014 14:34 

Kurzweil PC361

ðåêîìåíäàöèÿ ñîâåðøåííî îò áàëäû

Kurzweil SP4-7

ïî÷åìó?

-èíñòðóìåíò íà âûðîñò
-"âçðîñëûå" çâóêè, êàê ó ñòàðøåé PC ñåðèè
-ãóìàííàÿ öåíà
-òðàíñïîðòàáåëüíûé, ìîæíî èñïîëüçîâàòü è äîìà, è äëÿ èãðû â àíñàìáëå.
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Âðåìÿ: 17.02.2014 14:45 

Kurzweil PC361

ðåêîìåíäàöèÿ ñîâåðøåííî îò áàëäû

Kurzweil SP4-7
http://kurzweil.com/product/sp4-7/

ïî÷åìó?
-ñåðüåçíûé èíñòðóìåíò, íà âûðîñò
-öåííèê âïîëíå ãóìàííûé
-ìîæíî èñïîëüçîâàòü êàê äîìà, òàê è äëÿ àíñàìáëåâîé èãðû
Àâòîð
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Âðåìÿ: 17.02.2014 14:54 
metro
Kurzweil, Yamaha

>Kurzweil SP4-7

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Âðåìÿ: 17.02.2014 19:50 
Ìîñêâà
Roland D50, Yamaha DX7

Ïîñìîòðèòå åùå Êîðã Êðîññ
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Âðåìÿ: 17.02.2014 20:23 
Èãðàþ òàêè íà ìåíîðå


new to this world: keyboard or synth?
http://www.keyboardforums.com/threads/new-to-this-world-keyboard-or-synth.3494/



Keyboards are mainly devided into Arrangers , Workstations and stage/home pianos .


1) Arrangers keyboards mostly (except high-end gear) have onboard speakers and
styles you can play along with. Most of them are mainly toys or mid-range keyboards
that do not focus on sound manipulation and editing. So don't expect anything much from those if you want to be able to edit and tweak your sounds.

Examples: Yamaha's PSR series, Roland GW, Korg Pa - Almost all of them come in 61key version. There are a few of them in 76key versions.

2) Workstations on the other hand have full sound manipulation that enable you to do
almost anythnig you want. They don't have styles you can play along with, but they
do have arpeggiators that can give you a basic beat to play along with.
The main feature of Workstations is the option to mix and layer several sounds together (4-8-16 different sounds playing together)

Examples: Yamaha Motif, MO, Korg Trinity, Triton, TR; X50; m50, m3, Roland Fantom, Juno
Workstations come in 61/76 key versions and 88 hammer weighted keys

3) Stage/home pianos , as the name suggests, have 88 piano style keys - meaning they
have hammer mechanics giving you the best feeling you can get for playing the piano itself. If you want the closest feeling you can get of playing the real thing you will want the stage piano.

They usually don't have much sounds on them, and don't give you the option of editing them very much, but the sounds that are onboard sound superior.

Examples: Yamaha P-series (P140/155), CP series (CP33, CP300, CP50, CP5, CP1), Roland RD series, Kawai ES, MP...

Stage pianos come in 88 progressive/balanced hammer keys. Meaning bottom keys
are heavier then the ones on the top - emulating the strings in the real piano

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Now... when you decide what type of keyboard you want - we can take the next step
of trying to find the one you can buy for the money you have
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Âðåìÿ: 17.02.2014 20:48 

Êëàâèøíûå

Äåøåâëå âñåãî ôîðòåïèàíî çà ñàìîâûâîç + óñëóãè íàñòðîéùèêà è ãðóç÷èêîâ. Íà ïèàíèíî ìîæíî è èãðàòü è ñî÷èíÿòü. Åñëè âû õîòèòå íàó÷èòüñÿ ñîçäàâàòü ñâîè çâóêè, òî íóæåí óæå íåïîñðåäñòâåííî ñèíòåçàòîð, íî òîëüêî â ïðèâåäåííûõ ÿìàõàõ íåò ôóíêöèè ðåäàêòèðîâàíèÿ çâóêà è îíè íå ãîäÿòñÿ.

ß â ñâîå âðåìÿ ó÷èëñÿ èãðàòü íà àêêîðäåîíå. Çàõîòåë ñèíòåçàòîð. Êóïèëè êàññèî. Ïîáàëîâàëñÿ ïàðó íåäåëü, ïîòîì èãðàë è ñî÷èíÿë áîëüøå íà ôîðòåïèàíî, êîòîðîå ó ñåñòðû áûëî, òàì è êëàâèøè ïîëó÷øå è çâóê). Ïîòîì áûëà PSR 550, ïîíà÷àëó òîæå óñòðàèâàëà, íî âñêîðå ñòàëî ÿñíî, ÷òî íîâûé çâóê òàì íå ñîçäàøü, è ïðèøëîñü ýòó êëàâèàòóðó (êàê èõ íàçûâàåò ÿìàõà) çàìåíèòü....

Âàæíî åùå ïîäîáðàòü èíñòðóìåíò ïîä ñèñòåìó îáó÷åíèÿ. Òî åñòü åñëè âàñ ó÷èò ïðåïîäî, òî íóæíî, ÷òîáû âû âìåñòå ìîãëè ñëûøàòü çâóê èíñòðóìåíòà. Åñëè ó÷èòü áóäåò þòþá èëè âèäåîøêîëà íóæíî ÷òîáû çâóê øåë èç îäíîãî èñòî÷íèêà. Íàïðèìåð ó âàñ ñòîèò êîìï ñ êîëîíêàìè. Òàì âû çàïóñêàåòå îáó÷àþùèé ðîëèê. Åñëè ó âàøåãî ñèíòåçàòîðà çâóê áóäåò âûõîäèòü íà êîëîíêè, âû ñìîæåòå ðàáîòàòü â êîìôîðòíîì ðåæèìå. Ïîñìîòðåë-ïîñëóøàë - ïîâòîðèë íà èíñòðóìåíòå. À åñëè íàïðèìåð çâóê ñ êîìïüþòåðà è ñ ñèíòåçàòîðà èäåò íà íàóøíèêè, òî ïðèäåòñÿ èõ ëèáî âñå âðåìÿ ïåðåïîäêëþ÷àòü (åñëè íàóøíèêè îäíè) èëè ïåðåîäåâàòü, (åñëè åñòü äâå ïàðû). Ãðàìîòíåå áóäåò ïîäêëþ÷èòü ëèáî êëàâèøó ê êîìïó, ëèáî êîìï ê íåé)  ñâîå âðåìÿ ðåøàë çàäà÷ó èñïîëüçóÿ ñèíòþê ñ îïöèåé çâóêîâîé êàðòû. Ïîäêëþ÷àë åå ïî USB è ìîã è ñëûøàòü âñå çâóêè, ÷òî ñ êîìïà èäóò è èãðàòü ïàðàëëåëüíî çâóêàìè ñèíòåçàòîðà.
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Âðåìÿ: 17.02.2014 21:02 
Èãðàþ òàêè íà ìåíîðå


Äåøåâëå âñåãî ôîðòåïèàíî
Äà, ìíîãèå ãîòîâû áåñïëàòíî (èëè ïî÷òè áåñïëàòíî) îòäàòü - ëèøü èçáàâèòüñÿ. Ñåé÷àñ ëèøü ãèòàðû äà áàëàëàéêè ïîëüçóþòñÿ èíòåðåñîì.
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Âðåìÿ: 17.02.2014 21:09 
Ìîñêâà
Roland D50, Yamaha DX7

Åñòü åùå îäèí íåïëîõîé âàðèàíò - Yamaha NP80, äåøåâî è ñåðäèòî...
Àâòîð
Òåìà: Re: Ïîìîãèòå îïðåäåëèòüñÿ ñ ðàáî÷èì èíñòðóìåíòîì
Âðåìÿ: 18.02.2014 09:35 
ãäå-òî íà þãå àñàøàé
Roland FP-10, CME XKey 37, Ibanez TMB100M, ROLI Lightpad Block,

>Åñòü åùå îäèí íåïëîõîé âàðèàíò - Yamaha NP80, äåøåâî è ñåðäèòî...
È íè î ÷åì. Ïîõàáùèíà äëÿ òåõ, êòî ïðèâûê ïðèíîñèòü æåðòâîïðèíîøåíèÿ ìóçìîðãó. :oooi:
Âñå, íàïèñàííîå â ýòîé êíèãå, ìîæåò îêàçàòüñÿ íåïðàâäîé...
Àâòîð
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Âðåìÿ: 18.02.2014 11:11 
Èãðàþ òàêè íà ìåíîðå


Ñàì ÿ áîëüøå ñêëîíÿþñü ê ìûñëè - íàäî áðàòü ÌÈÄÈ-êëàâó (èëè ýëåêòðîïèàíî ñ ÌÈÄÈ âûõîäîì), MAC-íîóòáóê è (ïèðàòñêèé - íà ïåðâîå âðåìÿ, íà ïîïðîáîâàòü) ñîôòâåðíûé ñèíòåçàòîð. Èç îáëàñòè ôàíòàçèè: åñëè ðàçáîãàòåþ - êóïëþ îðãàí Wersi Verona, ëó÷øå çâóêîâ íèêîãäà íå ñëûøàë.

È íè î ÷åì. Ïîõàáùèíà äëÿ òåõ, êòî ïðèâûê ïðèíîñèòü æåðòâîïðèíîøåíèÿ ìóçìîðãó.
Øåô, âîò ÿ òîæå ïîðàæàþñü Ìóçòîðãîâñêèì íàêðóòêàì. Ñìîòðþ â èíòåðíåòå ìíîãî ÷åãî ïî âêóñíûì öåíàì,
íî áåñïîêîþñü, íå ïîáü¸òñÿ ëè òîâàð â ïóòè ïðè ïîêóïêå ÷åðåç èíòåðíåò. Ñ á/ó òîæå áîþñü êîòà â ìåøêå êóïèòü.
È åù¸ íå âñå èíòåðíåò ïðîäàâöû ñîãëàñíû ïåðåñûëàòü òîâàð íà âîñòîê.

Íåò ëè ó Âàñ èëè åù¸ ó êîãî, óâàæàåìûå ôîðóì÷àíå, îïûòà ïîêóïîê íîâûõ è á/ó èíñòðóìåíòîâ ÷åðåç èíåò?
Àâòîð
Òåìà: Re: Ïîìîãèòå îïðåäåëèòüñÿ ñ ðàáî÷èì èíñòðóìåíòîì
Âðåìÿ: 18.02.2014 11:30 
ãäå-òî íà þãå àñàøàé
Roland FP-10, CME XKey 37, Ibanez TMB100M, ROLI Lightpad Block,

>íî áåñïîêîþñü, íå ïîáü¸òñÿ ëè òîâàð â ïóòè ïðè ïîêóïêå ÷åðåç èíòåðíåò. Ñ á/ó òîæå áîþñü êîòà â ìåøêå êóïèòü.
>È åù¸ íå âñå èíòåðíåò ïðîäàâöû ñîãëàñíû ïåðåñûëàòü òîâàð íà âîñòîê.
>Íåò ëè ó Âàñ èëè åù¸ ó êîãî, óâàæàåìûå ôîðóì÷àíå, îïûòà ïîêóïîê íîâûõ è á/ó èíñòðóìåíòîâ ÷åðåç èíåò?
Ñêîðåå, ó ìåíÿ íåòó îïûòà ïîêóïîê â ìóçìîðãå :crazy:
Ìîé ïåðâûé è ãîðÿ÷î ëþáèìûé Korg X5D ïîäàðåí ìíå îòöîì. È êóïëåí ó îäíîãî èç ìåñòíûõ äèëåðîâ. Âñå ïðî÷èå èíñòðóìåíòû ÿ ïîêóïàë ñ ðóê, êàê ïðàâèëî, ñ ïåðåñûëêîé (âñÿêàÿ ëàáóäà òèïà ïåäàëåê, çâóêîâûõ êàðòî÷åê è ò.ï. íå ñ÷èòàåòñÿ).
Âñå, íàïèñàííîå â ýòîé êíèãå, ìîæåò îêàçàòüñÿ íåïðàâäîé...
 ýòîò ôîðóì ìîãóò ïèñàòü òîëüêî çàðåãèñòðèðîâàííûå ïîëüçîâàòåëè!