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Òåìà: Yamaha CVP-601
Âðåìÿ: 23.12.2013 02:48 



Çäðàâñòâóéòå. Ñêàæèòå âàøå ìíåíèå íàñ÷åò Yamaha CVP-601 ñòîèò ëè âûáèðàòü ýòó ìîäåëü èëè 605/609 èëè æå ëó÷øå ïðèñìàòðèâàòüñÿ ê äðóãèì ïðîèçâîäèòåëÿì? Èíòåðåñóåò êà÷åñòâî çâó÷àíèÿ ïðåæäå âñåãî, è ÷óâñòâèòåëüíîñòü êëàâèø. Àêóñòè÷åñêîå ïèàíèíî íå ðàññìàòðèâàþ, ò.ê. âûçûâàåò ìíîãî õëîïîò (çâóê ðàçíîñèòñÿ ïî âñåìó äîìó). Öåíîâîé äèàïîçîí äî 130 òûñÿ÷. Ñèíòåçàòîðû íå íóæíû, ò.ê. â íèõ íè÷åãî íå ïîíèìàþ, è â ïðèíöèïå? íè÷åãî íå ñîáèðàþñü íà íèõ òâîðèòü.
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Òåìà: Re: Yamaha CVP-601
Âðåìÿ: 23.12.2013 18:50 
Ìîñêâà


åñëè ñèíòåçàòîðû íå íóæíû, òî òîãäà íàçâàííûå ìîäåëè - íå ëó÷øèé âûáîð. Âñå îíè îòëè÷àþòñÿ îò áîëåå ïðîñòûõ è äåø¸âûõ öèôðîâûõ ïèàíèíî èìåííî íàëè÷èåì âñåõ ôóíêöèé ñèíòåçàòîðà-àðàíæèðîâùèêà.  ýòîì è åñòü îñîáåííîñòü ñåðèè CVP.
ýñòðàäíàÿ ìóçûêà. ïîïóëÿðíàÿ ìóçûêà. ìóçûêà äëÿ êèíî, òâ è êîìïüþòåðíûõ èãð.
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Òåìà: Re: Yamaha CVP-601
Âðåìÿ: 23.12.2013 21:40 



>åñëè ñèíòåçàòîðû íå íóæíû, òî òîãäà íàçâàííûå ìîäåëè - íå ëó÷øèé âûáîð. Âñå îíè îòëè÷àþòñÿ îò áîëåå ïðîñòûõ è äåø¸âûõ öèôðîâûõ ïèàíèíî èìåííî íàëè÷èåì âñåõ ôóíêöèé ñèíòåçàòîðà-àðàíæèðîâùèêà.  ýòîì è åñòü îñîáåííîñòü ñåðèè CVP.
À êàêèå òîãäà ñèíòåçàòîðû ïîñîâåòóåòå äî 130 òûñÿ÷, 88 êëàâèø? Ïðåèìóùåñòâåííî Korg, Yamaha, Roland
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Òåìà: Re: Yamaha CVP-601
Âðåìÿ: 23.12.2013 21:44 
Ìîñêâà


ÿ áû ïîñîâåòîâàë ïîõîäèòü ïî ìàãàçèíàì, ïîñìîòðåòü, ïîèãðàòü è ïîäóìàòü.
ýñòðàäíàÿ ìóçûêà. ïîïóëÿðíàÿ ìóçûêà. ìóçûêà äëÿ êèíî, òâ è êîìïüþòåðíûõ èãð.
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Òåìà: Re: Yamaha CVP-601
Âðåìÿ: 23.12.2013 22:41 



>ÿ áû ïîñîâåòîâàë ïîõîäèòü ïî ìàãàçèíàì, ïîñìîòðåòü, ïîèãðàòü è ïîäóìàòü.
à Korg Kronos-88 êàê âîîáùå èíñòðóìåíò? Äîðîãîé, íî âñå æå.
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Òåìà: Re: Yamaha CVP-601
Âðåìÿ: 24.12.2013 01:40 

Tyros4, Kawai CN33R

>à Korg Kronos-88 êàê âîîáùå èíñòðóìåíò?

Âû æå íàïèñÀëè ðàíåå:

>Ñèíòåçàòîðû íå íóæíû, ò.ê. â íèõ íè÷åãî íå ïîíèìàþ, è â ïðèíöèïå íè÷åãî íå ñîáèðàþñü íà íèõ òâîðèòü .

À áðàòü Êðîíîñ, è íå èñïîëüçîâàòü åãî ñèíò. ìîäóëè - ïî-ìîåìó, íå ñàìàÿ ëó÷øàÿ èäåÿ.
Ýòî êàê êóïèòü íàâîðî÷åííóþ ñòèðàëüíóþ ìàøèíó ñî âñåìè ôóíêöèÿìè, è èñïîëüçîâàòü å¸ äëÿ õðàíåíèÿ êàðòîõè.
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Òåìà: Re: Yamaha CVP-601
Âðåìÿ: 24.12.2013 04:19 



Ïîëó÷àåòñÿ, íè ñèíòåçàòîðû, íè ìîäåëè ÿìàõè (öèôðîâûå) íå ïîäõîäÿò äëÿ íîðìàëüíîé èãðû?
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Òåìà: Re: Yamaha CVP-601
Âðåìÿ: 24.12.2013 05:39 
Ìîñêâà
MU-128, Impact LX-88 Nektar, Montage 6

Äëÿ íîðìàëüíîé èãðû, èìõî, âàì ïîäîéäåò õîðîøåå öèôðîâîå ïèàíèíî...
...Âñå "ñèíòåçàòîðíûå" ðþõè â íåì, êàê ôîòîàïïàðàò â ìîáèëüíèêå è ìï-ïëååð)))...
Õîòèòå - èñïîëüçóéòå, õîòèòå - íåò....)
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Òåìà: Re: Yamaha CVP-601
Âðåìÿ: 24.12.2013 13:25 

Tyros4, Kawai CN33R

>Ïîëó÷àåòñÿ, íè ñèíòåçàòîðû, íè ìîäåëè ÿìàõè (öèôðîâûå) íå ïîäõîäÿò äëÿ íîðìàëüíîé èãðû?

Ïðîñòî ïîä Âàøè çàïðîñû èìåííî ñèíòåçàòîð íå íóæåí, ïîëó÷àåòñÿ, íó è çà÷åì òðàòèòü äåíüãè íà òî, ÷òî íå áóäåò èñïîëüçîâàòüñÿ ïî îñíîâíîìó íàçíà÷åíèþ?
À â áþäæåòå â 130 000 ðóá óæå ìíîãî ÷åãî ìîæíî âûáðàòü èç ïðèåìëåìûõ âàðèàíòîâ, êîòîðûå Âàì ïîñîâåòîâàëè âûøå.
Ïîïðîáóéòå, íàïðèìåð, Kurzweil CUP-2 (öåíà â Ðîññèè ÷òî-òî â ðàéîíå 85 000-90 000 ðóá). Î÷åíü äîñòîéíàÿ êëàâèàòóðà, è â îòëè÷èå îò ñèíòîâ ýòîé æå ìàðêè, äîñòàòî÷íî ïðîñò â íàñòðîéêå, ïëþñ åñòü â åãî çâó÷àíèè ÷òî-òî íåóëîâèìî ïîõîæåå íà òåìáðû íàñòîÿùèõ àêóñòè÷åñêèõ ðîÿëåé.
Ïðàâäà, îí âûãëÿäèò íå òàê ìîäåðíîâî, êàê CVP-601 ñ å¸ ïðàêòè÷åñêè ñèíòåçàòîðíîé ïàíåëüþ, íî êàê ïî ìíå, çâó÷èò ïîèíòåðåñíåå ýòîé ìîäåëè ßìàõè.
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Òåìà: Re: Yamaha CVP-601
Âðåìÿ: 24.12.2013 16:42 
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Keyboards

goldsgym,
åñëè â ìàãàçèíå ïîïàä¸òñÿ êàêîé-íèáóäü èç ýòèõ Ðîëàíäîâ, çàöåíèòå êëàâèàòóðó (PHA III (Progressive Hammer Action III) Ivory Feel Keyboard with Escapement):
http://www.rolandus.com/products/details/1123/461
http://www.rolandus.com/products/details/1128/461
http://www.rolandus.com/products/details/1191/470
http://www.rolandus.com/products/details/1192/470
http://www.rolandus.com/products/details/1240/470
http://www.rolandus.com/products/details/1076/470
http://www.rolandus.com/products/details/1265/470
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Òåìà: Re: Yamaha CVP-601
Âðåìÿ: 24.12.2013 21:00 



>Äëÿ íîðìàëüíîé èãðû, èìõî, âàì ïîäîéäåò õîðîøåå öèôðîâîå ïèàíèíî...
>...Âñå "ñèíòåçàòîðíûå" ðþõè â íåì, êàê ôîòîàïïàðàò â ìîáèëüíèêå è ìï-ïëååð)))...
>Õîòèòå - èñïîëüçóéòå, õîòèòå - íåò....)
Êàêîå ëó÷øå òîãäà?
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Òåìà: Re: Yamaha CVP-601
Âðåìÿ: 24.12.2013 21:04 



>>Ïîëó÷àåòñÿ, íè ñèíòåçàòîðû, íè ìîäåëè ÿìàõè (öèôðîâûå) íå ïîäõîäÿò äëÿ íîðìàëüíîé èãðû?
>Ïðîñòî ïîä Âàøè çàïðîñû èìåííî ñèíòåçàòîð íå íóæåí, ïîëó÷àåòñÿ, íó è çà÷åì òðàòèòü äåíüãè íà òî, ÷òî íå áóäåò èñïîëüçîâàòüñÿ ïî îñíîâíîìó íàçíà÷åíèþ?
>À â áþäæåòå â 130 000 ðóá óæå ìíîãî ÷åãî ìîæíî âûáðàòü èç ïðèåìëåìûõ âàðèàíòîâ, êîòîðûå Âàì ïîñîâåòîâàëè âûøå.
>Ïîïðîáóéòå, íàïðèìåð, Kurzweil CUP-2 (öåíà â Ðîññèè ÷òî-òî â ðàéîíå 85 000-90 000 ðóá). Î÷åíü äîñòîéíàÿ êëàâèàòóðà, è â îòëè÷èå îò ñèíòîâ ýòîé æå ìàðêè, äîñòàòî÷íî ïðîñò â íàñòðîéêå, ïëþñ åñòü â åãî çâó÷àíèè ÷òî-òî íåóëîâèìî ïîõîæåå íà òåìáðû íàñòîÿùèõ àêóñòè÷åñêèõ ðîÿëåé.
>Ïðàâäà, îí âûãëÿäèò íå òàê ìîäåðíîâî, êàê CVP-601 ñ å¸ ïðàêòè÷åñêè ñèíòåçàòîðíîé ïàíåëüþ, íî êàê ïî ìíå, çâó÷èò ïîèíòåðåñíåå ýòîé ìîäåëè ßìàõè.
Õîðîøàÿ âåùü, ïîñìîòðåë âèäåî, íî ñëèøêîì ãðîìîçäêèé, íàïîìèíàþùèé àêóñòè÷åñêîå ôîðòïåèàíî, à õî÷åòñÿ ÷åãî-íèáóäü ïîìåíüøå ãàáàðèòàìè, è æåëàòåëüíî íå â ââûñü, à â ãëóáèíó.
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Òåìà: Re: Yamaha CVP-601
Âðåìÿ: 24.12.2013 21:06 
Ìîñêâà
MU-128, Impact LX-88 Nektar, Montage 6

>>Äëÿ íîðìàëüíîé èãðû, èìõî, âàì ïîäîéäåò õîðîøåå öèôðîâîå ïèàíèíî...
>>...Âñå "ñèíòåçàòîðíûå" ðþõè â íåì, êàê ôîòîàïïàðàò â ìîáèëüíèêå è ìï-ïëååð)))...
>>Õîòèòå - èñïîëüçóéòå, õîòèòå - íåò....)
>Êàêîå ëó÷øå òîãäà?

Ýòî ê ïèàíèñòàì âîïðîñ ëó÷øå)))
..ß âàì ëèøü â îáùèõ ÷åðòàõ- ñèòóàöèþ ðèñóþ...)
...Ñåé÷àñ ñàìûå ïðîñòåéøèå ñèíòåçàòîðíûå ôóíêöèè âòûêàþò ïðàêòè÷åñêè â ëþáîé àïïàðàò ñ êëàâèøàìè (ñåêâåíñåð, ýôôåêò- ïðîöåññîð, âîçìîæíîñòü ðåäàêöèè çâóêîâ, è ò.ä.)
...Îáùàÿ òåíäåíöèÿ òàêàÿ íà ðûíêå..(íó ÿ âàì ïðî ìîáèëüíèêè, ñ ôîòîêàìåðàìè, è ïëååðàìè óæå óïîìèíàë)...
 íåêîòîðûå ñèíòåçàòîðû ñåé÷àñ åùå íà÷àëè âñòàâëÿòü âîçìîæíîñòü ïðÿìîé ñâÿçè ñ èíòåðíåòîì)))...
..Ýòî èç òîé æå îáëàñòè))
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Òåìà: Re: Yamaha CVP-601
Âðåìÿ: 24.12.2013 21:18 



>goldsgym,
>åñëè â ìàãàçèíå ïîïàä¸òñÿ êàêîé-íèáóäü èç ýòèõ Ðîëàíäîâ, çàöåíèòå êëàâèàòóðó (PHA III (Progressive Hammer Action III) Ivory Feel Keyboard with Escapement):
>http://www.rolandus.com/products/details/1123/461
>http://www.rolandus.com/products/details/1128/461
>http://www.rolandus.com/products/details/1191/470
>http://www.rolandus.com/products/details/1192/470
>http://www.rolandus.com/products/details/1240/470
>http://www.rolandus.com/products/details/1076/470
>http://www.rolandus.com/products/details/1265/470
Ëó÷øå èç âîò ýòîãî ñïèñêà òîëüêî RD 700 GX, íî îòñóòñòâèå âñòðîåííîé àêóñòèêè - ýòî êîíå÷íî ïðîáëåìà, íå õî÷åòñÿ êàæäûé ðàç ïîäêëþ÷àòü ê êîëîíêàì. Ìîäåëè HF ïî÷åìó-òî íå íðàâÿòñÿ.
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Òåìà: Re: Yamaha CVP-601
Âðåìÿ: 24.12.2013 22:34 

Tyros4, Kawai CN33R

>Õîðîøàÿ âåùü, ïîñìîòðåë âèäåî, íî ñëèøêîì ãðîìîçäêèé, íàïîìèíàþùèé àêóñòè÷åñêîå ôîðòïåèàíî, à õî÷åòñÿ ÷åãî-íèáóäü ïîìåíüøå ãàáàðèòàìè, è æåëàòåëüíî íå â ââûñü, à â >ãëóáèíó.

Òîãäà îáðàòèòå âíèìàíèå íà Kurzweil MARK 10 BP. Çíà÷èòåëüíî ìåíåå ãðîìîçäîê, çâó÷èò ïîõîæå.
Íî áóäåò ïîäîðîæå, ÷åì CUP-2, è íåñêîëüêî áîëåå êîðÿâûé èíòåðôåéñ óïðàâëåíèÿ.

Óâû, ñîâñåì ìèíèàòþðíûå âàðèàíòû, òèïà äîñêà íà òîíêèõ íîæêàõ, èëè "ïîëîæèë íà êîëåíè - è èãðàé" (òèïà Roland F-20), õîòü è ïîâàëüíî îáåùàþò âñåâîçìîæíûå supernatural-çâóêè à ëÿ Bechstein çà íåáîëüøèå äåíüãè, èëè êëàâèøè ÷óòü ëè íå òèïà, êàê ó Steinway & Sons, íî îáû÷íî, èëè çâó÷àò áëèæå ê íèêàê, èëè äîñòàòî÷íî óáîãè ïî ìåõàíèêå êëàâèø.
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Òåìà: Re: Yamaha CVP-601
Âðåìÿ: 24.12.2013 22:42 

Tyros4, Kawai CN33R

ïîïðàâêà: áóäåò ïîäåøåâëå ÷åì CUP-2
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Òåìà: Re: Yamaha CVP-601
Âðåìÿ: 25.12.2013 00:18 
Í-ñê
Keyboards

>>goldsgym,
>>åñëè â ìàãàçèíå ïîïàä¸òñÿ êàêîé-íèáóäü èç ýòèõ Ðîëàíäîâ, çàöåíèòå êëàâèàòóðó (PHA III (Progressive Hammer Action III) Ivory Feel Keyboard with Escapement):
>>http://www.rolandus.com/products/details/1123/46 1
>>http://www.rolandus.com/products/details/1128/46 1
>>http://www.rolandus.com/products/details/1191/47 0
>>http://www.rolandus.com/products/details/1192/47 0
>>http://www.rolandus.com/products/details/1240/47 0
>>http://www.rolandus.com/products/details/1076/47 0
>>http://www.rolandus.com/products/details/1265/47 0
>Ëó÷øå èç âîò ýòîãî ñïèñêà òîëüêî RD 700 GX, íî îòñóòñòâèå âñòðîåííîé àêóñòèêè - ýòî êîíå÷íî ïðîáëåìà, íå õî÷åòñÿ êàæäûé ðàç ïîäêëþ÷àòü ê êîëîíêàì. Ìîäåëè HF ïî÷åìó-òî íå íðàâÿòñÿ.

Òàì íå GX, à NX. È åñòü FP-7F ñ àêóñòèêîé è âðîäå íå îñîáî ãðîìîçäêîå.
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Òåìà: Re: Yamaha CVP-601
Âðåìÿ: 25.12.2013 00:40 



>>>Äëÿ íîðìàëüíîé èãðû, èìõî, âàì ïîäîéäåò õîðîøåå öèôðîâîå ïèàíèíî...
>>>...Âñå "ñèíòåçàòîðíûå" ðþõè â íåì, êàê ôîòîàïïàðàò â ìîáèëüíèêå è ìï-ïëååð)))...
>>>Õîòèòå - èñïîëüçóéòå, õîòèòå - íåò....)
>>Êàêîå ëó÷øå òîãäà?
>Ýòî ê ïèàíèñòàì âîïðîñ ëó÷øå)))
>..ß âàì ëèøü â îáùèõ ÷åðòàõ- ñèòóàöèþ ðèñóþ...)
>...Ñåé÷àñ ñàìûå ïðîñòåéøèå ñèíòåçàòîðíûå ôóíêöèè âòûêàþò ïðàêòè÷åñêè â ëþáîé àïïàðàò ñ êëàâèøàìè (ñåêâåíñåð, ýôôåêò- ïðîöåññîð, âîçìîæíîñòü ðåäàêöèè çâóêîâ, è ò.ä.)
>...Îáùàÿ òåíäåíöèÿ òàêàÿ íà ðûíêå..(íó ÿ âàì ïðî ìîáèëüíèêè, ñ ôîòîêàìåðàìè, è ïëååðàìè óæå óïîìèíàë)...
> íåêîòîðûå ñèíòåçàòîðû ñåé÷àñ åùå íà÷àëè âñòàâëÿòü âîçìîæíîñòü ïðÿìîé ñâÿçè ñ èíòåðíåòîì)))...
>..Ýòî èç òîé æå îáëàñòè))
>×òî-òî ÿ òåïåðü ïîòåðÿëñÿ â âûáîðå. Ïîæàëóé, ê ïèàíèñòàì è îáðàùóñü.
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Òåìà: Re: Yamaha CVP-601
Âðåìÿ: 25.12.2013 00:43 



>>>goldsgym,
>>>åñëè â ìàãàçèíå ïîïàä¸òñÿ êàêîé-íèáóäü èç ýòèõ Ðîëàíäîâ, çàöåíèòå êëàâèàòóðó (PHA III (Progressive Hammer Action III) Ivory Feel Keyboard with Escapement):
>>>http://www.rolandus.com/products/details/1123/4 6 1
>>>http://www.rolandus.com/products/details/1128/4 6 1
>>>http://www.rolandus.com/products/details/1191/4 7 0
>>>http://www.rolandus.com/products/details/1192/4 7 0
>>>http://www.rolandus.com/products/details/1240/4 7 0
>>>http://www.rolandus.com/products/details/1076/4 7 0
>>>http://www.rolandus.com/products/details/1265/4 7 0
>>Ëó÷øå èç âîò ýòîãî ñïèñêà òîëüêî RD 700 GX, íî îòñóòñòâèå âñòðîåííîé àêóñòèêè - ýòî êîíå÷íî ïðîáëåìà, íå õî÷åòñÿ êàæäûé ðàç ïîäêëþ÷àòü ê êîëîíêàì. Ìîäåëè HF ïî÷åìó-òî íå íðàâÿòñÿ.
>Òàì íå GX, à NX. È åñòü FP-7F ñ àêóñòèêîé è âðîäå íå îñîáî ãðîìîçäêîå.
Èçâèíÿþñü, íåìíîãî ñïóòàë. Îíè â ïðèíöèïå ïîõîæè äðóã ñ äðóãîì. Íå íðàâÿòñÿ òàêèå äèçàéíû ôî-íî. Õî÷åòñÿ ÷òîá çàêðûòî áûëî ñçàäè.
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Îòëè÷íàÿ ìîäåëü, ïîñìîòðþ êàê-íèáóäü â ìàãàçèíå.
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Âðåìÿ: 22.09.2014 11:35 



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