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Òåìà: íîâàÿ yamaha-mx
Âðåìÿ: 16.10.2012 19:59 |
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Òåìà: Re: íîâàÿ yamaha-mx
Âðåìÿ: 16.10.2012 21:15 |
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Åùå ñèëüíåå îáðàáîòàííûé íîæíèöàìè MOX äëÿ çàìåíû ëèíåéêè MM? | |
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Òåìà: Re: íîâàÿ yamaha-mx
Âðåìÿ: 16.10.2012 22:26 |
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Budapest (Hungary) ÐÑ3, K-Station, Squier Standard strat è ò.ä. |
ó ÿìû êðèçèñ ... äàæå äâå îðèãèíàëüíûõ áóêâû íå ñìîãëè ïîäîáðàòü .... |
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Òåìà: Re: íîâàÿ yamaha-mx
Âðåìÿ: 16.10.2012 22:52 |
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Ìîñêâà Korg M50-61, Roland AX-Synth |
Áóäóò äåìêè ïîñëóøàåì, à ÿ á ñåáå ìîæ 49 êëàâèøó âòîðûì ýòàæîì âçÿë áû â ñåòàï, à òî âñ¸ êîðæ, äà êîðæ... =) | |
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Òåìà: Re: íîâàÿ yamaha-mx
Âðåìÿ: 17.10.2012 02:13 |
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Òåìà: Re: íîâàÿ yamaha-mx
Âðåìÿ: 17.10.2012 02:39 |
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Íó è ÷å? Ýòî æ ÿâíî êîíêóðåíò PS-60 è Õ50, à íå Êðîìó. Âçÿë ïîä ìûøêó, è ïîøåë. Çà 500 Åâðî- íîðìàëüíàÿ êîíöåðòíî-ðåïåòèöèîííàÿ ìàøèíêà.  êà÷åñòâå âòîðîé/òðåòüåé êëàâèàòóðû â ñýòàïå- âïîëíå ñåáå. ×èñòî äëÿ ïåðåêëþ÷åíèÿ ïðåñåòîâ ýòîãî ëèëèïóòñêîãî ýêðàí÷èêà õâàòèò. Ðóëåæêà- äîìà ÷åðåç ýäèòîð íà êîìïå. |
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Òåìà: Re: íîâàÿ yamaha-mx
Âðåìÿ: 17.10.2012 02:42 |
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Õîòÿ âîò îäîëåâàþò ìåíÿ ñîìíåíèÿ íàñ÷åò ïîëíîöåííîé ðóëåæêè. Íåáîñü, ñäåëàëè, êàê â Äæóíàõ Di è Gi | |
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Òåìà: Re: íîâàÿ yamaha-mx
Âðåìÿ: 17.10.2012 06:48 |
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êëàâèøíûå äîôèãà âñÿêèõ |
ïî îïèñàíèþ ,áîëüøå ïîõîäèò íà ìèäèêëàâó ñ íàáîðîì çâóêîâ . çâóêè ìîòèâà â ìèäèêëàâó 49 ,+ àóäèî èíòåðôåéñ + ýôôåêòû +àðïåäæèàòîð ) òàê ÷òî ýòî áåñïðåöåäåíòíàÿ àêöèÿ ÿìàõè ,â îòâåò íà êîðã ìèêðîêåé )))) ãóñëÿð, ìîæåò êëàâèøè ïîìåðèøü ????))))) |
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Prophet 6 -÷óòü ñëîìàí íî ïðîäà¸òñÿ çà äîðîãî
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Òåìà: Re: íîâàÿ yamaha-mx
Âðåìÿ: 17.10.2012 09:44 |
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Budapest (Hungary) ÐÑ3, K-Station, Squier Standard strat è ò.ä. |
>Çà 500 Åâðî- íîðìàëüíàÿ êîíöåðòíî-ðåïåòèöèîííàÿ ìàøèíêà. ýòî çà 49 ïñðîøíûõ çàóæåííûõ êëàâèø ... 61 -700 åâðî .... |
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Òåìà: Re: íîâàÿ yamaha-mx
Âðåìÿ: 17.10.2012 10:01 |
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Òåìà: Re: íîâàÿ yamaha-mx
Âðåìÿ: 17.10.2012 11:12 |
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Ìîñêâà MU-128, Impact LX-88 Nektar, Montage 6 |
Âåçäå îäèí è òîò æå ïåðåïîùåííûé ìóòíûé ñíèìîê....."...ïî ïðîñî÷èâøåéñÿ èíôîðìàöèè...")))) "....íåîôèöèàëüíûå äàííûå...." Ïðîèçâîäèòåëü îá ýòîì íè ñëîâà....))) Íàïèñàë ïèñüìî â ßìàõó....ìîë÷àíèå ãðîáîâîå))) |
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Òåìà: Re: íîâàÿ yamaha-mx
Âðåìÿ: 17.10.2012 11:54 |
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Budapest (Hungary) ÐÑ3, K-Station, Squier Standard strat è ò.ä. |
>Íàïèñàë ïèñüìî â ßìàõó....ìîë÷àíèå ãðîáîâîå))) ñòûäíî èì ))) æåðòâû áðåíäà æäóòÜ-íåäîæäóòñÿ ìåãàìîòèô-óáèâöó êðîíîñà , à òóò ... ïøèê .... ïî öåíå êðîìà ... |
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Òåìà: Re: íîâàÿ yamaha-mx
Âðåìÿ: 17.10.2012 11:59 |
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Ìîñêâà MU-128, Impact LX-88 Nektar, Montage 6 |
À êàê âàø Êðîíîñ??? ....Îñòàåòñÿ âðåìÿ èì çàíèìàòüñÿ...???))) Èëè âñ¸ óõîäèò íà ïîèñêè "óáèâöåâ"???))) |
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Òåìà: Re: íîâàÿ yamaha-mx
Âðåìÿ: 17.10.2012 12:04 |
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Budapest (Hungary) ÐÑ3, K-Station, Squier Standard strat è ò.ä. |
>À êàê âàø Êðîíîñ??? ....Îñòàåòñÿ âðåìÿ èì çàíèìàòüñÿ...???))) >Èëè âñ¸ óõîäèò íà ïîèñêè "óáèâöåâ"???))) íå áåñïîêîéòåñü ))) óñ¸ îê ! óáèâöåâ äîîîëãî íå ïðåäâèäèòñÿ ))) |
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Òåìà: Re: íîâàÿ yamaha-mx
Âðåìÿ: 17.10.2012 13:36 |
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Ìîñêâà MU-128, Impact LX-88 Nektar, Montage 6 |
ß âèæó..))) Ãðàíèöà íà çàìêå...)))....Âðàã íå ïðîéäåò)))) |
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Òåìà: Re: íîâàÿ yamaha-mx
Âðåìÿ: 17.10.2012 13:55 |
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Budapest (Hungary) ÐÑ3, K-Station, Squier Standard strat è ò.ä. |
>ß âèæó..))) >Ãðàíèöà íà çàìêå...)))....Âðàã íå ïðîéäåò)))) à âðàã íå î÷åíü-òî è ñïåøèò ))) îäíîãèãîâûõ ôëåø-ïëàò ïî 400 áàêñîâ äëÿ ÷åðíîé ìîòè è òàéðîñà íà 5 ëåò âïåðåä íàøòàìïîâàíî ... ïðàâäà, íèêòî íå áåðåò ))) |
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Òåìà: Re: íîâàÿ yamaha-mx
Âðåìÿ: 17.10.2012 14:15 |
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Ìîñêâà MU-128, Impact LX-88 Nektar, Montage 6 |
Òàê îïöèîíàëüíî æå))) Çíà÷èò âèäèìî çâóêè âñòðîåííûå âïîëíå óñòðàèâàþò.... Ýòî âîí âëàäåëüöû Êàñèî, íå óñïåþò êóïèòü, êàê äàâàé ðó÷êè êðóòèòü....çâóêè íàðóëèâàòü...)))) Ðåäêî êîãäà â ÷åëîâåêå ñòîëüêî òàëàíòîâ ñîâìåùåíî....è çâóêîðåæèññåð è êîìïîçèòîð, è ìóçûêàíò.....äà åùå è â ñîâðåìåííûõ öèôðîâûõ òåõíîëîãèÿõ ðàçáèðàòüñÿ....)))) Èíîãäà ëó÷øå âñå-òàêè îñòàâèòü íåìíîãî è ñïåöèàëèñòàì ðàáîòû))) |
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Òåìà: Re: íîâàÿ yamaha-mx
Âðåìÿ: 17.10.2012 14:21 |
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Yamaha Motif XF6 |
>îäíîãèãîâûõ ôëåø-ïëàò ïî 400 áàêñîâ Êàê âñåãäà, æàëêîå âðàíü¸. |
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Òåìà: Re: íîâàÿ yamaha-mx
Âðåìÿ: 17.10.2012 14:27 |
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Budapest (Hungary) ÐÑ3, K-Station, Squier Standard strat è ò.ä. |
âàó , óæå ïî 300 ! ýòî äðóãîå äåëî ! | |
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Òåìà: Re: íîâàÿ yamaha-mx
Âðåìÿ: 17.10.2012 14:39 |
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Yamaha Motif XF6 |
Ñ íà÷àëà ïðîäàæ öåíà íå ìåíÿëàñü. | |
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Òåìà: Re: íîâàÿ yamaha-mx
Âðåìÿ: 17.10.2012 14:43 |
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Budapest (Hungary) ÐÑ3, K-Station, Squier Standard strat è ò.ä. |
>Ñ íà÷àëà ïðîäàæ öåíà íå ìåíÿëàñü. Êàê âñåãäà, æàëêîå âðàíü¸. |
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Òåìà: Re: íîâàÿ yamaha-mx
Âðåìÿ: 17.10.2012 14:50 |
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Yamaha Motif XF6 |
Äà-äà, òîëüêî Regular Price: ñ çà÷¸ðêíóòûìè $399.99 áûëî âñåãäà è íå òîëüêî íà ýòîì ñàéòå. À äëÿ êîìôîðòíîé ðàáîòû âïîëíå õâàòèò è òàêîãî íàáîð÷èêà è ñêèäêà íåáîëüøàÿ åñòü â $20: Chick Corea Mark V Electric Piano Sample Library GEN16 Z-Pack Zildjian Cymbal VST with FXpansion Yamaha Maple Custom Drum Kit YC-B3 Organ Tone Wheel Emulation VST Steinberg Prologue Analog Synthesizer VST Keyfax New Media Drums and Percussion Patterns XF Fully Loaded Instructional Video discount coupons for KARMA MOTIF software XF Tools and more. |
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Òåìà: Re: íîâàÿ yamaha-mx
Âðåìÿ: 17.10.2012 15:13 |
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Budapest (Hungary) ÐÑ3, K-Station, Squier Standard strat è ò.ä. |
1ãèã îò ÿìû ñ ÷àñîâîé çàïèñüþ-ñòèðàíèåì -$300 (äîðîæêè , âèäèìî , èç ÷èñòîãî çîëîòà) 512!!!ãèã ssd 2,5 .êàê íè ñòðàííî , òîæå $300 ... |
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Òåìà: Re: íîâàÿ yamaha-mx
Âðåìÿ: 17.10.2012 15:28 |
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>Äà-äà, òîëüêî Regular Price: ñ çà÷¸ðêíóòûìè $399.99 áûëî âñåãäà è íå òîëüêî íà ýòîì ñàéòå. >À äëÿ êîìôîðòíîé ðàáîòû âïîëíå õâàòèò è òàêîãî íàáîð÷èêà è ñêèäêà íåáîëüøàÿ åñòü â $20: >http://www.ebay.com/itm/New-Yamaha-Motif-10th-Ann iversary-Special-Pack-Keyboard-Expansion-Software- Hdwe-/330808654624?pt...=item4d05bb7b20 512MB Flash Board (FL512M) >Chick Corea Mark V Electric Piano Sample Library >GEN16 Z-Pack Zildjian Cymbal VST with FXpansion Yamaha Maple Custom Drum Kit >YC-B3 Organ Tone Wheel Emulation VST >Steinberg Prologue Analog Synthesizer VST >Keyfax New Media Drums and Percussion Patterns >XF Fully Loaded Instructional Video >discount coupons for KARMA MOTIF software >XF Tools >and more. Shipping cannot be calculated for your area. You can contact the seller for additional shipping costs and services. |
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Òåìà: Re: íîâàÿ yamaha-mx
Âðåìÿ: 17.10.2012 15:28 |
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Yamaha Motif XF6 |
Êóäà! Îïÿòü íà ñâîåãî äåðåâÿííîãî êîíÿêó ïîëåç?! Òåáå óêàçûâàþò, ÷òî òû ñíîâà ëþäåé îáìàíûâàåøü. À òû ïî ïðèâû÷êå ñðàçó â ñòîðîíó... Íåõîðîøî. |
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Òåìà: Re: íîâàÿ yamaha-mx
Âðåìÿ: 17.10.2012 15:30 |
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Äàâàéòå ðåàëüíûå öåíû ïðèâîäèòü! À-òî íàñ÷èòàþò òåáå øèïïèíã â ñîòêó è áóäåøü ðàáîâàòüñÿ!) | |
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Òåìà: Re: íîâàÿ yamaha-mx
Âðåìÿ: 17.10.2012 15:32 |
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Yamaha Motif XF6 |
22Lemonjam, ýòî íå ñòðàøíî. Äîñòàâêà òàêîé êîðîáî÷êè â Ðîññèþ íàïðèìåð, áàêñîâ 50-60... USPS |
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Òåìà: Re: íîâàÿ yamaha-mx
Âðåìÿ: 17.10.2012 15:32 |
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à íå - âñåãî 35!) |
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Òåìà: Re: íîâàÿ yamaha-mx
Âðåìÿ: 17.10.2012 15:33 |
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Äà íå, áàêñîâ 20-30. Ýòî æ íå áàòàðåÿ ÷óãóííàÿ. | |
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Òåìà: Re: íîâàÿ yamaha-mx
Âðåìÿ: 17.10.2012 15:34 |
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>22Lemonjam, ýòî íå ñòðàøíî. >Äîñòàâêà òàêîé êîðîáî÷êè â Ðîññèþ íàïðèìåð, áàêñîâ 50-60... USPS Íó ëàäû - â 40-îâíèê îøèáñÿ!) |
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Òåìà: Re: íîâàÿ yamaha-mx
Âðåìÿ: 17.10.2012 15:34 |
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Íó âîò) | |
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Òåìà: Re: íîâàÿ yamaha-mx
Âðåìÿ: 17.10.2012 15:34 |
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Yamaha Motif XF6 |
Äà. Òî÷íî $35 - äîñòàâêà îäíîé ôëýø ïëàòêè. Õîðîøàÿ öåíà. | |
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Òåìà: Re: íîâàÿ yamaha-mx
Âðåìÿ: 17.10.2012 15:36 |
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>Äà íå, áàêñîâ 20-30. Ýòî æ íå áàòàðåÿ ÷óãóííàÿ. À ïðè ÷¸ì òóò âåñ?!) Âû çíàåòå,êàê øèïïèíã ðàñ÷èòûâàåòñÿ?!) |
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Òåìà: Re: íîâàÿ yamaha-mx
Âðåìÿ: 17.10.2012 15:37 |
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Yamaha Motif XF6 |
ß èìåë ââèäó, ÷òî ~$50 âîçüìóò çà ïîñûëêó ñ íàáîðîì Yamaha Motif 10th Anniversary Special Pack. Îí ÷óòü òÿæåëåå ïî âåñó... | |
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Òåìà: Re: íîâàÿ yamaha-mx
Âðåìÿ: 17.10.2012 15:40 |
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Yamaha Motif XF6 |
>À ïðè ÷¸ì òóò âåñ?! Ïðè îïðåäåë¸ííûõ âèäàõ îòïðàâëåíèé USPS ó÷èòûâàåòñÿ è âåñ, è ãàáàðèòû. Ñîîòâåòñòâåííî è öåíà ìåíÿåòñÿ. Íî ìû îòâëåêëèñü. |
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Òåìà: Re: íîâàÿ yamaha-mx
Âðåìÿ: 17.10.2012 15:41 |
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>Äà ïàðó ãðàìì îñîáîé ïîãîäû íå äåëàþò. >>>À ïðè ÷¸ì òóò âåñ?!) Âû çíàåòå,êàê øèïïèíã ðàñ÷èòûâàåòñÿ?!) > ñìûñëå ïðè ÷åì? Ïðè âñåì. Âåñèëà á ýòà êîðîáî÷êà êèëîãðàì 15, öåíà çà äîñòàâêó áûëà áû ðàç â 5-7 âûøå À ñïîñîáû äîñòàâêè íà öåíîîáðàçîâàíèå íå âëèÿþò?!) |
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Òåìà: Re: íîâàÿ yamaha-mx
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Êîíå÷íî âëèÿþò. ß ïèñàë ïðî îáû÷íóþ àâèàäîñòàâêó. Ìîðåì íó åãî â ïåíü áîëüøå ìåñÿöà æäàòü. | |
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