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Ìíîãèå ýòó ñòàòüþ óæå ÷èòàëè. Íåêîòîðûå (î÷åíü íåìíîãèå, ïî ìîèì ìíîãîëåòíèì íàáëþäåíèÿì çà ãèòàðíûìè ôîðóìàìè) ýòî è ñàìè çíàþò. À îñòàëüíûì ÷èòàòü âíèìàòåëüíî è çàïîìèíàòü íàâñåãäà. Êàæäóþ èç ýòèõ èñòèí ÿ âòîëêîâûâàþ òóò ïèîíåðàì ïîîäèíî÷êå, à òóò îíè âñå âìåñòå. Èòàê, ñòàòüÿ Ïàâëà Çàáóðóåâà "Ãèòàðíûå çàáëóæäåíèÿ". Îðèãèíàë - çäåñü. --------------------------------------------- Ãèòàðíûå çàáëóæäåíèÿ - ýòî îãðîìíàÿ ÷àñòü æèçíè ëþáîãî, êòî èãðàåò íà ãèòàðå. Îíè êàñàþòñÿ åãî â òîé èëè èíîé ñòåïåíè. Òî ãîñòè ïðîñÿò "ñûãðàòü äà ñïåòü ÷å-íèòü, òû æ ãèòàðèñò", òî "ìóðêó/êóçíå÷èêà ìîæåøü?". Íî ÷àñòî èñòî÷íèêàìè è íîñèòåëÿìè çàáëóæäåíèé ÿâëÿþòñÿ ñàìè ëþáèòåëè ãèòàðû è ãèòàðíîé ìóçûêè.  ýòîé ñòàòüå ÿ ïîñòàðàþñü ðàññìîòðåòü íåêîòîðûå èç íèõ è äàòü ñâîé ñîáñòâåííûé êîììåíòàðèé. Íàäåþñü, ýòî ïîìîæåò èçáåæàòü îøèáîê ïðè âûáîðå îáîðóäîâàíèÿ è âîîáùå ïðè äàëüíåéøåì ðàçâèòèè êàê ìóçûêàíòà. 1. Ëàìïîâûé êîìáèê äëÿ äîìà - áðåä. Íà ìàëîé ãðîìêîñòè íå çàçâó÷èò è áóäåò õóæå òðàíçèñòîðíîãî. Ýòî äîñòàòî÷íî ïîïóëÿðíîå èçðå÷åíèå áàçèðóåòñÿ íà òîì, ÷òî ëàìïîâûé àïïàðàò âûäàåò 100% ñâîåãî çâóêà ëèøü ïðè åãî "ðàñêà÷êå", òî åñòü ïðè ðàáîòå íà áîëüøèõ óðîâíÿõ ãðîìêîñòè (áîëüøå ïîëîâèíû). Íåâåäîìûì îáðàçîì âïîëíå ñïðàâåäëèâîå îïèñàíèå ðàáîòû ëþáîãî ãèòàðíîãî ëàìïîâîãî àïïàðàòà ïðåâðàòèëîñü â òî, âî ÷òî âåðèò ìíîãî íàðîäó è ÷òî áóêâàëüíî îòâðàùàåò èõ ïîïðîáîâàòü ëàìïó â äîìàøíåì èñïîëüçîâàíèè. Äà, ìîæíî ñîãëàñèòüñÿ ñ òåì, ÷òî ëàìïîâûé àïïàðàò äàñò ñâîé çâóê â ïîëíîé ìåðå, êîãäà ðåæèìû åãî ðàáîòû áëèçêè ê ïðåäåëüíûì. Ýòî ïðîèñõîäèò îò òîãî, ÷òî ñâîþ ðîëü â êîìïðåññèè è íàñûùåíèè ãàðìîíèêàìè íà÷èíàþò ïðèíèìàòü âûõîäíîé òðàíñôîðìàòîð è ëàìïû îêîíå÷íèêà, à íå òîëüêî ëàìïû ïðåäóñèëèòåëÿ. Òîò âêóñíûé, òåïëûé, æèðíûé çâóê - ýòî çâóê èìåííî ñëàæåííîé ðàáîòû ýòèõ ýëåìåíòîâ ëàìïîâîãî óñèëèòåëÿ. Ê ýòîìó äîáàâëÿåòñÿ òàêæå è òî, ÷òî äèíàìèêè, óñòàíîâëåííûå â êîìáî èëè êàáèíåòàõ, òàêæå ðàññ÷èòûâàþòñÿ íà ïîäà÷ó íà íèõ ìîùíîñòè ïî 25Âò è âûøå. Ñîîòâåòñòâåííî, ïðè ïðîåêòèðîâàíèè òàêèõ äèíàìèêîâ ïðîèçâîäèòåëü âêëàäûâàåò çâóê èìåííî â ðåæèìû âûñîêîé ãðîìêîñòè. Ýòî âñå äåéñòâèòåëüíî òàê è ýòîãî íèêòî íå îòðèöàåò, åñëè íàõîäèòñÿ â çäðàâîì óìå. Íî èç ýòîãî íè â êîåì ñëó÷àå íå ñëåäóåò âûâîä, êîòîðûé ïîä÷åðêíóò â íà÷àëå àáçàöà! Ïîâåðüòå ìíå, è íà ìàëîé ãðîìêîñòè ìíîãèå ëàìïîâûå óñèëèòåëè âûäàþò òàêîé çâóê, äî êîòîðîãî òðàíçèñòîðó íå äîáðàòüñÿ. Íàïðèìåð, ìîè çàïèñè ñäåëàíû íà òîì óðîâíå çâóêà, íà êîòîðîì ÿ èãðàþ äîìà, è ìíå íè ðàçó íå ñòó÷àëè ñîñåäè ïî áàòàðåå èëè â ñòåíó. Ãðîìêîñòü óìåðåííàÿ. Ðàçóìååòñÿ, íå âñå ëàìïîâûå àïïàðàòû îáëàäàþò òàêèìè ñâîéñòâàìè (êîãäà ÿ âûáèðàë ñâîé Crate, îäèí èç î÷åíü ïî÷èòàåìûõ è äîðîãèõ àïïàðàòîâ îäíîãî ñóïåðáðåíäà áûë ïðîñòî óáèò íàïîâàë â ñðàâíåíèè ðÿäîì ñ Crate), ïîýòîìó åñëè åñòü æåëàíèå è âîçìîæîñòè èãðàòü íà ïðàâèëüíîì çâóêå, òî íåîáõîäèìî ïðîñòî âûáèðàòü. Ðàçóìååòñÿ, ìîé æå Crate çàçâó÷àë ïðîñòî ñêàçî÷íî, êîãäà ÿ åãî ïðèâåç íà ñòóäèþ è ðàçîãíàë äî ïîëíîé ìîùíîñòè, íî äàæå ìèíèìàëüíàÿ ïëàíêà åãî çâóêà òðóäíî äîñòèæèìà íà òðàíçèñòîðíûõ àïïàðàòàõ. Âûâîä: íå ïîæàëåéòå âðåìåíè è ïîñëóøàéòå ïîáîëüøå óñèëèòåëåé. Âîçìîæíî íàéäåòå òî, ÷òî âàì íóæíî. 2. Çâóê ñâÿçêè "ãèòàðà + òðàíçèñòîðíûé êîìáèê" ìîæíî óëó÷øèòü, êóïèâ îòäåëüíóþ ïåäàëü ïåðåãðóçà. Ýòî ñêîðåå èñêëþ÷åíèå èç ïðàâèëà. À ïðàâèëî ñîñòîèò â òîì, ÷òî áîëüøèíñòâî ïîïóëÿðíûõ ïåäàëåé ïåðåãðóçà ñîçäàíû äëÿ ðàçîãðåâà ëàìïîâîãî óñèëèòåëÿ. Çäåñü óæå èãðàåò ñâîþ ðîëü è õàðàêòåð ëàìïîâîãî çâóêà, òàê êàê èñêàæåíèÿ, âíîñèìûå ëàìïîé, ãîðàçäî ìÿã÷å è ìóçûêàëüíåå íà ñëóõ, íåæåëè òðàíçèñòîð. Ïåäàëü è ëàìïà êàê áû óðàâíîâåøèâàþò äðóã äðóãà, êàæäûé áëîê ïðèâíîñèò â çâóê ñâîþ ñîñòàâëÿþùóþ, è ïðè óìåíèè ýòó ñèñòåìó íàñòðîèòü ìû ïîëó÷àåì õîðîøèé çâóê. È âíåçàïíî êóäà-òî ïðîïàäàåò ïåñîê, çåðíèñòîñòü, ãíóñàâîñòü è ïëîñêîñòü çâóêà, è âñå çâó÷èò êðóãëî è ìÿñèñòî. À âñå ïîòîìó, ÷òî ïåäàëè íàäî èñïîëüçîâàòü òàê, êàê ýòî ïðåäóñìàòðèâàëîñü ïðîèçâîäèòåëåì, à íå â ñîîòâåòñòâèè ñ æåëàíèÿìè âàøåé ëåâîé íîãè. Áîëåå ïîäðîáíî îá èñïîëüçîâàíèè ïåäàëåé ïåðåãðóçà ÿ ïèñàë íà ñòðàíèöàõ ïåðâîãî íîìåðà æóðíàëà "Êîìáèê", à òàêæå ïðèâîäèë àóäèîòåñòû ïåäàëåé. Ïîñëóøàòü èõ è ïðî÷èòàòü ñòàòüþ âû ìîæåòå çäåñü. 3. Ïðîäîëæåíèå ïðåäûäóùåãî. ×òîáû ïðèìî÷êà õîðîøî çâó÷àëà ñ êîìáèêîì, â êîìáèêå äîëæåí áûòü õîðîøèé ÷èñòûé çâóê. Íó ýòî óæå âîîáùå ôàíòàñòèêà. Òåì áîëåå, ÷òî ïðè âêëþ÷åíèè ïåäàëè â êîìáèê ïåðåãðóç ñàìîé ïåäàëè ñìåøèâàåòñÿ ñ ïåðåãðóçîì êîìáà. Ñâîé ñîáñòâåííûé çâóê ïåäàëè, êîòîðûé ìîæíî ïîëó÷èòü, íå äîáàâëÿÿ ïåðåãðóçêè êîìáèêà, êàê ïðàâèëî îòâðàòèòåëåí. Íà ÷òî è æàëóåòñÿ áîëüøèíñòâî îáëàäàòåëåé ïåäàëåé è òðàíçèñòîðíûõ êîìáî. Äà, åùå ïðè äîáàâëåíèè ê òðàíçèñòîðíîìó èñêàæåíèþ ïåäàëè ïåðåãðóçà òðàíçèñòîðíîãî êîìáà ïîëó÷àåòñÿ òàêîå... 4. Ó ìåíÿ ïëîõîå êà÷åñòâî çàïèñåé, ïîòîìó ÷òî íåïðîôåññèîíàëüíàÿ çâóêîâàÿ êàðòà. Ýòî îòíîñèòñÿ ê òåì ñëó÷àÿì, êîãäà ÷åëîâåê îïðàâäûâàåò ñâîþ íåêîìïåòåíòíîñòü íèçêèìè âîçìîæíîñòÿìè îáîðóäîâàíèÿ. Êàê êîíòðàðãóìåíò â ýòîì ñëó÷àå ÿ ïðèâåäó òî, ÷òî, ñêàæåì, Äìèòðèé Ëàçååâ, âçÿâøèé ïåðâîå ìåñòî â êîíêóðñå Blade'2003 ñ êîìïîçèöèåé "Ëóíà-Ïàðê", çàïèñàë åå, èñïîëüçóÿ SB Live. Òàêæå Ñåðãåé Þäèí çàïèñàë ñâîþ Trilogy, èñïîëüçóÿ òîò æå Live. Ñíîñíîãî çâó÷àíèÿ ìîæíî äîáèòüñÿ äàæå ïðè ìèíèìóìå àïïàðàòóðû, ïðîñòî íóæíî óìåòü ðàáîòàòü ñî çâóêîì. 5. Äåðåâî ãèòàðû íå âëèÿåò íà åå çâóê. Íà íåãî âëèÿþò ëèøü ñòðóíû è äàò÷èêè. Ïîäîáíûå ãèïîòåçû ëþáÿò âûñêàçûâàòü ðàçíûå òåîðåòèêè, êîòîðûå ÷àñòî áûâàþò ëèøåíû ñïîñîáíîñòè õîðîøî ñëûøàòü íþàíñû çâóêà, íî òâåðäî óâåðåííûå â òîì, ÷òî êàðòîííàÿ ãèòàðà è êàêîé-íèáóäü Paul Reed Smith áóäóò çâó÷àòü àáñîëþòíî îäèíàêîâî, ïîñòàâü íà íèõ îäèíàêîâûå äàò÷èêè è ñòðóíû. Òîëüêî îíè íå ó÷èòûâàþò â ñâîåé ñîâåðøåííîé ôèçè÷åñêîé ìîäåëè, ÷òî îò ñòðóí êîëåáàíèÿ ïåðåõîäÿò ê äåðåâó ãèòàðû. Ýòî ìîæíî ïî÷óâñòâîâàòü - âîçüìèòå íîòó è äîòðîíüòåñü äî äåêè, ïî÷óâñòâóéòå, êàê äðîæèò ãðèô â ëåâîé ðóêå. Äà ãèòàðà âñÿ íà÷èíàåò êîëåáàòüñÿ! Êàê è äàò÷èêè, êîòîðûå çàêðåïëåíû íà êîðïóñå. Íè ó êîãî, äóìàþ, íåò ñîìíåíèé â òîì, ÷òî íà çâóêîâûå õàðàêòåðèñòèêè çâóêà, ïðîâîäèìîãî äåêîé, âëèÿåò âñå, íà÷èíàÿ îò òèïà äðåâåñèíû, ôîðìû êîðïóñà è çàêàí÷èâàÿ ëàêîì, êîòîðûì îíà ïîêðûòà. À×Õ äëÿ êàæäîé äåêè áóäåò ðàçíîé. Êàêàÿ-òî ëó÷øå ïðîâåäåò íèçêèå ÷àñòîòû è ñúåñò âåðõà, êàêàÿ-òî íàîáîðîò è ò.ï. Òàê âîò, âïîëíå ðåçîííî áóäåò ñäåëàòü âûâîä î òîì, ÷òî çâóêîñíèìàòåëè áóäóò ñíèìàòü íå òîëüêî êîëåáàíèÿ ñòðóí. Âåäü ñàìè çâóêîñíèìàòåëè òàêæå êîëåáëþòñÿ âìåñòå ñî âñåé ãèòàðîé, ñëåäîâàòåëüíî, ñèãíàë áóäåò ñóïåðïîçèöèåé êîëåáàíèÿ ñòðóí è ãèòàðû. Òàêèì îáðàçîì, è êîðïóñ, è ãðèô, è âàðèàíò êðåïëåíèÿ ãðèôà, ñëîâîì, ëþáàÿ ÷àñòü ãèòàðû îêàæåò òî èëè èíîå âëèÿíèå íà çâóê, òàê êàê îêàæåò âëèÿíèå íà êîëåáàíèå âñåé ñèñòåìû. 6. ×òîáû çâóê áûë, êàê ó ãèòàðèñòà N, íóæíî êóïèòü òàêîé æå, êàê ó íåãî óñèëèòåëü/ãèòàðó/ïðèìî÷êó è ò.ï. Î÷åíü ÷àñòî âñòðå÷àåòñÿ âîïðîñ (îí åñòü äàæå íà ìîåì ôîðóìå), ÷òî æå íóæíî êóïèòü, ÷òîáû ïîëó÷èòü çâóê à-ëÿ ìîÿ ëþáèìàÿ ãðóïïà/ãèòàðèñò è ïðî÷.  ñàìîì íà÷àëå çàíÿòèé íà ãèòàðå ÷åëîâåê, êàê ïðàâèëî, åùå íå ìîæåò ïîëíîñòüþ óñëûøàòü çâóê, ïî÷óâñòâîâàòü åãî ïîëíîñòüþ. Ýòî âïîëíå åñòåñòâåííî, âåäü ýòî ïîÿâëÿåòñÿ ñî âðåìåíåì, ñ îïûòîì.  ïåðâóþ î÷åðåäü, èç-çà ýòîãî ñëîæíî ïîâåðèòü â èñòèíó, ïîâòîðÿåìóþ ìíîãèìè (êñòàòè, èíîãäà ïðîñòî ýòè ìíîãèå ÷èòàþò èõ â èíòåðâüþ ðàçëè÷íûõ ìóçûêàíòîâ è ïîâòîðÿþò, õîòÿ ñàìà èäåÿ ñêàçàííîãî îñòàåòñÿ äëÿ íèõ çàãàäêîé) îïûòíûìè ìóçûêàíòàìè: áÎëüøàÿ ÷àñòü òâîåãî çâóêà - ýòî çâóê òâîèõ ðóê. Äåéñòâèòåëüíî, ÷òîáû ýòî ïî÷óâñòâîâàòü, íåîáõîäèìî îáëàäàòü õîðîøèì çâóêîèçâëå÷åíèåì, âêóñîì, ñëóõîì, íàêîíåö. Êàê ïðèìåð, ïðèâåäó ÷åëîâåêà, êîòîðûé îäíàæäû ïðèåõàë êî ìíå. Ìû âçÿëè êàêîé-òî ïðîñòåíüêèé ðèôô, è ñûãðàëè åãî ïî î÷åðåäè. Èãðàëîñü âñå íà îäíîé è òîé æå ãèòàðå, â îäèí è òîò æå àïïàðàò, öåïü áûëà íåèçìåííà. Âñå ýòî íåïðåðûâíî çàïèñûâàëîñü. Ðàçíèöà â çâóêå - êàðäèíàëüíà. Ïîòîì, çâóê ãèòàðèñòà - ýòî íå òîëüêî çâóê îäíîé îòäåëüíîé íîòû. Ýòî òàêæå è ìåëèçìàòèêà, ôîðøëàãè, ôðàçèðîâêà, ðàçëè÷íûå ôèøêè. Âñå ýòî î÷åíü èíäèâèäóàëüíî. Ïîýòîìó äàæå íàêóïèâ ãîðó àïïàðàòóðû, êàê ó, ñêàæåì, Ïåòðó÷÷è (êñòàòè, çâóê òàêæå çàâèñèò îò ñòóäèè, çâóêîðåæèññåðà è ïðîäþññåðà, êîòîðûå çàïèñûâàëè, ñâîäèëè è ìàñòåðèëè ìàòåðèàë), ïîëó÷èòü åãî çâóê âñå ðàâíî íå óäàñòñÿ. Ìîæíî ïîëó÷èòü íåêîå ïîäîáèå, íî ñêîïèðîâàòü â òî÷íîñòè - âðÿä ëè. Ðàçóìååòñÿ, âïîëíå ìîæíî ìíå ñåé÷àñ âîçðàçèòü, ìîë, ÿ âîò â÷åðà â ìàãàçèíå ïîïðîáîâàë Marshall ShedMaster è ïîëó÷èë çâóê â íîëü êàê ó Metallica îáðàçöà 1991 ãîäà. Çàìåòüòå, ÷òî òàêèìè ôðàçàìè íèêîãäå íå áðîñàþòñÿ ïðîôåññèîíàëüíûå ìóçûêàíòû. Ïðîñòî ïîòîìó, ÷òî ÷åëîâåê, çàÿâèâøèé ïîäîáíîå, ðàíî èëè ïîçäíî ïîéìåò, ÷òî â òî âðåìÿ îí íå óñëûøàë è ïîëîâèíû çâóêà, è ÷òî íàñòîÿùèé çâóê òîãäàøíåé öåïè ñ òîé æå Metallica íå èìåë íè÷åãî îáùåãî. Âñå ýòî, îïÿòü-òàêè, òðåáóåò íåêîòîðîãî âðåìåíè è îïûòà. 7. ×òîáû ïîëó÷èòü î÷åíü æåñòêèé è çëîé çâóê, íàäî ìíîãî Gain'à. ß áîëåå ÷åì óâåðåí, ÷òî ýòîò ìèô ðîäèëñÿ ó êàêîãî-íèáóäü íà÷èíàþùåãî ãèòàðèñòà, êîãäà îí óñëûøàë äèêèé ðåâ êâèíòû, âçÿòîé ñ distortion. Ïîïðîáóþ ïîÿñíèòü ñèòóàöèþ. Èç ïðåäûäóùåãî ïóíêòà ñëåäóåò, ÷òî òâîé çâóê ñîçäàåòñÿ â ïåðâóþ î÷åðåäü òâîèìè æå ðóêàìè. Çëîñòü, íàïîð è äðàéâ - ýòî â ïåðâóþ î÷åðåäü õàðàêòåðèñòèêè òâîåãî çâóêà, à íå òåõíè÷åñêèå äàííûå òâîåé àïïàðàòóðû. Ñàì ïî ñåáå ïåðåãðóç, êàê èçâåñòíî, ÿâëÿåòñÿ ñèëüíûì êîìïðåññîðîì. À êîìïðåññîð ðàíî èëè ïîçäíî çàäàâèò âñå - è òâîþ àòàêó, è òâîþ äèíàìèêó, íóæíî òîëüêî èñïîëüçîâàòü åãî íå òàê, êàê çíàþùèå ëþäè, à òàê, êàê òåáå ñêàæåò ñîñåä Ôåäÿ. Òî æå ñàìîå ïðîèñõîäèò è òîãäà, êîãäà òû íàâåðíóë ãåéíà ïîä ñàìóþ çàâÿçêó. Àòàêà ïî óðîâíþ óìåíüøåíà, åå ñëûøíî õóæå. Èç ýòîãî ñëåäóåò òîëüêî òî, ÷òî çâóê ñòàíåò áîëåå ðàçìàçàííûì è íå÷åòêèì. Êàêàÿ ìîæåò áûòü çëîñòü, êîãäà íîòû ñëèâàþòñÿ â êàêóþ-òî óæàñíóþ êàøó? Ñïðîñèòå ëþáîãî ïåäàãîãà, äà èëè ïðîñòî ïðîôåññèîíàëüíîãî ãèòàðèñòà, ñêîëüêî ãåéíà îí èñïîëüçóåò. Ìîãó ðó÷àòüñÿ, ÷òî îòâåò âàñ óäèâèò. Âûøåóêàçàííàÿ çëîñòü - ýòî â ïåðâóþ î÷åðåäü ïîäà÷à, äðàéâ, êîòîðûé èñõîäèò îò òåáÿ ñàìîãî. Ýòî òâîå óìåíèå âûäðàòü íóæíûå íîòû èç ãèòàðû, çàñòàâèòü åå ðû÷àòü, ïëàêàòü è òàê äàëåå. Ýòî äîëæåí îáåñïå÷èâàòü òû ñàì, à íå àïïàðàòóðà, êîòîðóþ èñïîëüçóåøü. 8. 12-äþéìîâûå äèíàìèêè çâó÷àò êðó÷å 10-äþéìîâûõ (êàê âàðèàíò - "10-äþéìîâûå äèíàìèêè êðó÷å, ïîòîìó ÷òî èõ ëåã÷å ðàñêà÷àòü" è ò.ï.). ×àñòî, ñëûøà ïîäîáíûå èçðå÷åíèÿ, ÿ äóìàþ, êîãäà æå ëþäè íà÷íóò âåðèòü ñâîèì óøàì, à íå òåîðèÿì. Âåäü îíè ïûòàþòñÿ äåëàòü ìóçûêó, à íå çàíèìàòüñÿ ìàòåìàòèêîé, ôèçèêîé è ò.ï.! Äà, áîëüøèå äèíàìèêè äàþò áîëüøå íèçîâ, èõ ñëîæíåå ðàñêà÷àòü, ÷åì ìàëåíüêèå. Íî ïîõîäèòå è ïîñëóøàéòå è òå, è äðóãèå! Âåäü íå âñåãäà ïî çâóêó âàì ìîæåò ïîäîéòè îäíà ìîäåëü 12-äþéìîâîãî äèíàìèêà, à ïîäîéäåò 10-äþéìîâûé. Âåäü òàêæå íàäî ó÷èòûâàòü, ÷òî âñå îíè ðàçíûå, ñðåäè òåõ è äðóãèõ ìîæíî íàéòè áåñ÷èñëåííîå êîëè÷åñòâî âàðèàíòîâ èõ èñïîëíåíèÿ. Ýòî íàìîìèíàåò ìíå äðóãîå çàáëóæäåíèå, êîòîðîå çâó÷èò òàê: 9. ×åì áîëüøå ëàìï â ïðåàìïå/óñèëèòåëå, òåì êðó÷å îí çâó÷èò. Íàøà ñòðàíà âñåãäà ñëàâèëàñü ìàñòåðàìè íà âñå ðóêè, ýòàêèìè Êóëèáèíûìè. Õî÷åøü - ñëèâíîé áà÷îê ïî÷èíþ, õî÷åøü - ñâåòèëüíèê ñàì ñïàÿþ. À â èòîãå âñå ïîëó÷àåòñÿ, êàê ïðàâèëî, "ïî-ñîâêîâîìó", ðàçâàëèâàåòñÿ íà êóñêè, íè òî, íè äðóãîå íå ñäåëàíî òàê, êàê ïîäîáàåò. Òàê âîò, îïÿòü-òàêè ñîâåòóþ çàíèìàòüñÿ ìóçûêîé è âåðèòü ñâîèì óøàì è îùóùåíèÿì.  êîëè÷åñòâå ëàìï è ñõåìîòåõíèêå ïóñòü ðàçáèðàþòñÿ ðàäèîëþáèòåëè è ïðî÷èå "ïàÿëüíèêè". ß âèäåë êó÷ó óñèëèòåëåé, êîòîðûå ðàáîòàëè íà 9-òè, ñêàæåì, ëàìïàõ, è çâóê èõ ìíå íå íðàâèëñÿ, à áûâàëî, ÷òî è êîìáèê íà 4-õ ëàìïàõ âûäàâàë òàêîé çâóê, ÷òî ìîæíî îáàëäåòü. Ñ óâåðåííîñòüþ ìîæíî ëèøü ñêàçàòü î òîì, ÷òî êîëè÷åñòâî ëàìï â àïïàðàòå ñâÿçàíî ñî ñëåäóþùèìè âåùàìè: ñ òåïëîâûäåëåíèåì àïïàðàòà è ñ åãî ñòîèìîñòüþ. 10. Ïðîöåññîð, ó êîòîðîãî åñòü ëàìïà, çâó÷èò êðó÷å ïðîöåññîðà áåç íåå, ïîòîìó ÷òî ó íåãî ëàìïîâûé ïåðåãðóç. Âåðà â ïîäîáíûå çàáëóæäåíèÿ ïîðîþ íàñòîëüêî ñèëüíà, ÷òî ïåðåñèëèâàåò çäðàâûé ñìûñë è äàæå ñîáñòâåííûå óøè. À çäðàâûé ñìûñë ãîâîðèò î òîì, ÷òî ëàìïà â òàêèõ ïðèáîðàõ ÿâëÿåòñÿ íå áîëåå ÷åì áóòàôîðèåé, à ïåðåãðóçêà òàì â ëþáîì ñëó÷àå áóäåò öèôðîâîé. Ìàêñèìóì, çà÷åì òàì íóæíà ëàìïà - íåñêîëüêî "îòåïëÿòü" ñèãíàë, íî, îïÿòü æå, ÿ íå ñëûøàë ïðîöåññîðà, ãäå ýòî áûëî áû îïðàâäàííî. È òî÷íî òàêæå ÿ íå ñëûøàë ïðîöåññîðà, â êîòîðîì ýòà "ôè÷à" áû îïðàâäàëà äîïîëíèòåëüíûå ïàðó ñîòåí ãðèíà â öåíå íà ïðèáîð. 11. "Ôèðìà÷è" íà êîíöåðòàõ ñòàâÿò íà ñöåíó ñòåíû Ìàðøàëëîâ, òàê êàê íóæíà áîëüøàÿ ìîùíîñòü, ÷òîáû îçâó÷èòü áîëüøîé çàë/ñòàäèîí è ò.ï. Òàêèå ìûñëè ñâÿçàíû, ñêîðåå âñåãî, ñ ïðîñòûì íåçíàíèåì äåëà è ïëîõîé íàáëþäàòåëüíîñòüþ. Âåäü íå âñåãäà îãðîìíûå ïîðòàëüíûå ñèñòåìû ñêðûòû îò çðèòåëÿ. Òå, êòî õîòü ðàç áûë â Êðåìëå, íàâåðíÿêà âèäåëè ïî áîêàì îò ñöåíû, ïðÿìî ïîä ïîòîëêîì, îãðîìíûå "ãðîçäè" ïîðòàëîâ, íàïðàâëåííûõ â çàë, ïëþñ åùå ðàçáðîñàííîå ïî çàëó îáîðóäîâàíèå. Òàê âîò, çâóê èäåò â 99,9% ñëó÷àåâ èìåííî èç ïîðòàëîâ. Òàê äëÿ ÷åãî æå ýòè ñòåíû ñòåêîâ? - ñïðîñèòå âû. À ÿ âàì ñêàæó, ÷òî îíè (ðàâíî êàê è îäèí ñòåê, ðàâíî êàê è êîìáèê) ñëóæàò íà ñöåíå ìîíèòîðàìè. Ñ èõ ïîìîùüþ ãèòàðèñò âñåãäà ìîæåò õîðîøî ñëûøàòü ñåáÿ ñðåäè äðóãèõ ìóçûêàíòîâ, èìåÿ ñîëèäíûé çàïàñ ìîùíîñòè. Äëÿ òîãî, ÷òîáû ñëûøàòü äðóãèõ ó÷àñòíèêîâ ãðóïïû, èñïîëüçóþò íàïîëüíûå ìîíèòîðû (íà ýòè êîðîáêè, ïî ôîðìå áëèçêèå ê òðåóãîëüíèêàì, òàê ëþáÿò îïèðàòüñÿ íîãîé ìóçûêàíòû) ëèáî "ïðîñòðåëû". Êàæäûé ìóçûêàíò ïîëó÷àåò íóæíûé åìó áàëàíñ èíñòðóìåíòîâ (äëÿ ýòîãî ÷àñòî èñïîëüçóåòñÿ âòîðîé ìèêøåð - ñïåöèàëüíî äëÿ ìîíèòîðîâ), òàê ÷òî òîò æå ãèòàðèñò ìîæåò âûñòðîèòü ãðîìêîñòü ìîíèòîðîâ ïåðåä ñîáîé â ñîîòâåòñòâèè ñ ãðîìêîñòüþ ñòîÿùèõ ñçàäè ãèòàðíûõ êàáèíåòîâ è áóäåò ÷óâñòâîâàòü ñåáÿ êîìôîðòíî íà êîíöåðòå. Íó è, ðàçóìååòñÿ, íåëüçÿ çàáûâàòü ïðî ïàôîñ! Âåäü ãîðàçäî êðó÷å íà ñöåíå ñìîòðèòñÿ äåñÿòîê ñòåêîâ, ÷åì îäèí ìàëåíüêèé êîìáèê, ñòîÿùèé ãäå-òî â óãëó ñöåíû! Ýòî, ïîæàëóé, ñàìûé ìèíèìóì çàáëóæäåíèé - ïðîñòî òî, ÷òî ñðàçó ïðèøëî â ãîëîâó.  äàëüíåéøåì ÿ ïîñòàðàþñü ðàñøèðèòü è äîïîëíèòü ýòó ñòàòüþ. P.S. ß íàìåðåííî íå ñòàë âêëþ÷àòü òàêèå ïóíêòû, êîòîðûå êàñàþòñÿ êîíêðåòíûõ òîâàðíûõ ìàðîê, öåíîâûõ êàòåãîðèé, íå ñòàë ñðàâíèâàòü îáîðóäîâàíèå ìåæäó ñîáîé. 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Ñêîëüêî ëþäåé, ñòîëüêî è ìíåíèé, íî ïîëîâèíà ôîãóìà óïåðòûå ######û
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Òåìà: Re: Ãèòàðíûå çàáëóæäåíèÿ. ×ÈÒÀÒÜ ÂÑÅÌ!
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Îòëè÷íî) Êñòàòè íàùùîò ñòåíû êàáèíåòîâ-çà÷àñòóþ ýòî íå ïðîñòî ïàôîñ à åù¸ è áóòàôîðèÿ. Ðàáî÷èé-îäèí ñòåê, à îñòàëüíîå-ìàêåòû. Êðóòî ñìîòðèòñÿ) |
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Âñå íîâèíüêîå ýòî õîðîøî çàáûòîå ñòàðèíüêîå!Ñòàòüÿ ñóïåð,òîæå íå òàê äàâíî ÷èòàë! | |
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Òåìà: Re: Ãèòàðíûå çàáëóæäåíèÿ. ×ÈÒÀÒÜ ÂÑÅÌ!
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Íå ïîñëåäíÿÿ èíñòàíöèÿ. Ñïîðíî ëèáî êîñíîÿçûêî. | |
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ñ ìèëèöèåé ïðîáëåìû òîëüêî ó âîðüÿ, ó íîðìàëüíûõ ëþäåé ïðîáëåìû ñ ìåíòàìè.(c)
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Òåìà: Re: Ãèòàðíûå çàáëóæäåíèÿ. ×ÈÒÀÒÜ ÂÑÅÌ!
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Íà ñ÷åò Ìàðøàëîâ êîíå÷íî íåìíîãî íå òàê!!! Îíè îòëè÷íî îçûóèâàþò è çàë òîæå!!!!!!ÒÀÌ ÑÒÎËÜÊÎ ÄÓÐÈ Â ÍÈÕ!!! ×òî è äî çàëà òîæå äîõîäèò !!!! |
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Òåìà: Re: Ãèòàðíûå çàáëóæäåíèÿ. ×ÈÒÀÒÜ ÂÑÅÌ!
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Ýñòîíèÿ, Òàëëèí Ibanez RGD2127 | RG2620 
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Äàâíî ÷èòàë, íåïëîõî íàïèñàíî. | |
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Ibanez RGD2127z (BKP MM set) | RG2620 QMSP (BKP Nailbomb bridge) >> Korg Pitchblack >> Chris Custom Dr. Silvery >> Yerasov Detonator >> Yerasov Bull-V 212(Eminence Swamp Thang | The Governor)
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Òåìà: Re: Ãèòàðíûå çàáëóæäåíèÿ. ×ÈÒÀÒÜ ÂÑÅÌ!
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Èíòåðåñíàÿ ñòàòåéêà | |
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Ñàíêò-Ïåòåðáóðã Ãèòàðà 
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Çà÷Îò! 
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Òåìà: Re: Ãèòàðíûå çàáëóæäåíèÿ. ×ÈÒÀÒÜ ÂÑÅÌ!
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Ìîñêâà Fender tele 
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Àï Âàì !
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Äóøà â TELE.
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Òåìà: Re: Ãèòàðíûå çàáëóæäåíèÿ. ×ÈÒÀÒÜ ÂÑÅÌ!
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Õîðîøàÿ ñòàòüÿ. Lex ðåñïåêò. Ìàëî êòî ÷òî-òî äåëüíîå çäåñü ïèøåò. | |
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Êóïëþ ïåäàëü ãðîìêîñòè
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Òåìà: Re: Ãèòàðíûå çàáëóæäåíèÿ. ×ÈÒÀÒÜ ÂÑÅÌ!
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îäíà ïàëêà ñåìü ñòðóíà - ÿ õîçÿèí âñÿ ñòðàíà
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Âñ¸ ïî äåëó, íî âñ¸ îòíîñèòåëüíî. Ó êàæäîãî ñâîè óøè, ó êàæäîãî ñâîé âêóñ, è ìîçãîâ â ãîëîâå ó âñåõ ïî ðàçíîìó. | |
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×åì òîëùå íàøè ìîðäû, òåì ïëîòíåé íàøè ðÿäû!
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Òåìà: Re: Ãèòàðíûå çàáëóæäåíèÿ. ×ÈÒÀÒÜ ÂÑÅÌ!
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Ýñòîíèÿ, Òàëëèí Ibanez RGD2127 | RG2620
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RooT, Òîê ñòàòüÿ òî íå Ëåêñà, à Çàáóðóåâà =) |
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Òåìà: Re: Ãèòàðíûå çàáëóæäåíèÿ. ×ÈÒÀÒÜ ÂÑÅÌ!
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Ìîñêâà Jackson Stars NASL-J2BE 
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Ãðàìîòíàÿ ñòàòüÿ
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Òåìà: Re: Ãèòàðíûå çàáëóæäåíèÿ. ×ÈÒÀÒÜ ÂÑÅÌ!
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"âîçüìèòå íîòó è äîòðîíüòåñü äî äåêè, ïî÷óâñòâóéòå, êàê äðîæèò ãðèô â ëåâîé ðóêå. Äà ãèòàðà âñÿ íà÷èíàåò êîëåáàòüñÿ!" à åñëè ÿ ïíó ãèòàðó è îò ãèòàðû äîéäåò êîëåáàíèå äî äàò÷èêîâ, òî êàêîé àêêîðä ÿ ïîëó÷ó??? èëè ýòî çàâèñèò îò òîãî ìåñòà êóäà ïíåø?? |
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Òåìà: Re: Ãèòàðíûå çàáëóæäåíèÿ. ×ÈÒÀÒÜ ÂÑÅÌ!
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moscow ProTools, Cubase, Samplitude 
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î÷åðåäíîå íàâÿçûâàíèå ñâîåãî ìíåíèÿ..... 
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Òåìà: Re: Ãèòàðíûå çàáëóæäåíèÿ. ×ÈÒÀÒÜ ÂÑÅÌ!
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Íó ìîæåøü è òàê ñ÷èòàòü, åñëè õî÷åøü. Íî ýòî ìíåíèå ðàçäåëÿþò âñå ïðîôåññèîíàëüíûå ãèòàðèñòû. Òàê ÷òî UP.
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Òåìà: Re: Ãèòàðíûå çàáëóæäåíèÿ. ×ÈÒÀÒÜ ÂÑÅÌ!
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îäíà ïàëêà ñåìü ñòðóíà - ÿ õîçÿèí âñÿ ñòðàíà
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Lex: "4. Ó ìåíÿ ïëîõîå êà÷åñòâî çàïèñåé, ïîòîìó ÷òî íåïðîôåññèîíàëüíàÿ çâóêîâàÿ êàðòà" è äàëüøå ïèøåòñÿ ïðî SB Live è êàê êðóòî òàì íà íåé êòî-òî ïèøåòñÿ, íåïîíÿòíî äëÿ ÷åãî. Ñîãëàñèñü - âñ¸ çâó÷èò êàê åðåñü. Íåïîíÿòíî - ÷òî ïîäðàçóìåâàåòñÿ ïîä ñëîâîì çàïèñü? Ýòî ïðî 4-5 ìåòðîâûé òðýê ÷òî ïèøóò âñå äëÿ äåìîíñòðàöèè ðîäíûì è çíàêîìûì â ñåòè? Èëè äîìñòðàöèîííûå çàïèñè äëÿ ïðîäâèæåíèÿ? Ïðè÷¸ì òóò çâóêîâàÿ êàðòà è âåñü ýòîò ãíèëîé áàçàð ïðî êàêèõ-òî ìóòíûõ îòå÷åñòâåííûõ óìåëüöåâ, õîòÿ âñå ïðåäïî÷èòàþò ñåðü¸çíî ïèñàòüñÿ çà ãðàíèöåé? Îñòàëüíîå âñ¸ ïî äåëó. |
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Òåìà: Re: Ãèòàðíûå çàáëóæäåíèÿ. ×ÈÒÀÒÜ ÂÑÅÌ!
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ÇÀ×ÎÄ!!! à òàê æå ðåñïåêò, à èøî àáçàòüíà ñêðåïêó ïîâåñèòü! | |
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Òåìà: Re: Ãèòàðíûå çàáëóæäåíèÿ. ×ÈÒÀÒÜ ÂÑÅÌ!
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Áðåä, åðåñü è ìðàêîáåñèå...  1) Ëàìïîâûé êîìáèê äëÿ äîìà - áðåä. Ýòî äåéñòâèòåëüíî ïðàâäà, åñëè òû íå îëèãàðõ. Òàê êàê äëÿ äîìà (÷èòàé èñêëþ÷èòåëüíî, ÷òîáû äîìà çàíèìàòüñÿ) ÂÏÎËÍÅ õâàòèò áîëåå áþäæåòíîãî òðàíçèñòîðíîãî êîìáà. 2. Çâóê ñâÿçêè "ãèòàðà + òðàíçèñòîðíûé êîìáèê" ìîæíî óëó÷øèòü, êóïèâ îòäåëüíóþ ïåäàëü ïåðåãðóçà. (îïÿòü ïðàâäà) ×òîáû ïîíÿòü ïî÷åìó ýòî âåðíî íóæíî ïðîñòî âêëþ÷èòü ãèòàðó â òðàíçþêîâûé êîìá ñíà÷àëà ñåðåç áîññ à ïîòîì ÷åðåç òüþáìàí èëè òîò æå òîíáîí.. 3. Ïðîäîëæåíèå ïðåäûäóùåãî. ×òîáû ïðèìî÷êà õîðîøî çâó÷àëà ñ êîìáèêîì, â êîìáèêå äîëæåí áûòü õîðîøèé ÷èñòûé çâóê. Íó ýòî óæå âîîáùå ôàíòàñòèêà.(òóò ÿ ñ íèì ñîãëàñåí, íî çà÷åì âîîáùå ýòî ïèñàòü - ýòî æå î÷åâèäíûé ôàêò äëÿ ëþáîãî áîëåå èëè ìåíåå âìåíÿåìîãî ÷åëîâåêà!!) 4. Ó ìåíÿ ïëîõîå êà÷åñòâî çàïèñåé, ïîòîìó ÷òî íåïðîôåññèîíàëüíàÿ çâóêîâàÿ êàðòà. Ýòî îòíîñèòñÿ ê òåì ñëó÷àÿì, êîãäà ÷åëîâåê îïðàâäûâàåò ñâîþ íåêîìïåòåíòíîñòü íèçêèìè âîçìîæíîñòÿìè îáîðóäîâàíèÿ. (Îïÿòü äîëáîåáèçì - íåóæåëè íå áóäåò ðàçíèöû ìåæäó çàïèñüþ íà SBlive èëè êðóòîé êàðòîé åñëè çàïèñûâàòü áóäåò ÎÄÈÍ È ÒÎÒ ÆÅ ×ÅËÎÂÅÊ! ####òü ëþáîìó ïîíÿòíî, ÷òî Ñàòðèàíè è íà ôëàéòå ëó÷øå ñûãðàåò, ÷åì ÿ íàïðèìåð íà ãèòàðå çà ìèëëèîí äîëëàðîâ.) 5. Äåðåâî ãèòàðû íå âëèÿåò íà åå çâóê. Íà íåãî âëèÿþò ëèøü ñòðóíû è äàò÷èêè. (Îïÿòü íåïîíÿòíî ê ÷åìó ýòî - ÿ íå âñòðå÷àë íèîäíîãî ÷åëîâåêà, êòî áû ýòî íå ïîíèìàë.. Êàêîé ñìûñë óêàçûâàòü íà î÷åâèäíîå?) 6. ×òîáû çâóê áûë, êàê ó ãèòàðèñòà N, íóæíî êóïèòü òàêîé æå, êàê ó íåãî óñèëèòåëü/ãèòàðó/ïðèìî÷êó è ò.ï. (íó òóò ñîãëàñåí) 7. ×òîáû ïîëó÷èòü î÷åíü æåñòêèé è çëîé çâóê, íàäî ìíîãî Gain'à. ß áîëåå ÷åì óâåðåí, ÷òî ýòîò ìèô ðîäèëñÿ ó êàêîãî-íèáóäü íà÷èíàþùåãî ãèòàðèñòà (ýòî òîæå â òåìó) 8. 12-äþéìîâûå äèíàìèêè çâó÷àò êðó÷å 10-äþéìîâûõ (êàê âàðèàíò - "10-äþéìîâûå äèíàìèêè êðó÷å, ïîòîìó ÷òî èõ ëåã÷å ðàñêà÷àòü" è ò.ï.). ×àñòî, ñëûøà ïîäîáíûå èçðå÷åíèÿ, ÿ äóìàþ, êîãäà æå ëþäè íà÷íóò âåðèòü ñâîèì óøàì, à íå òåîðèÿì. (ñîãëàñåí õîòÿ òîæå.. êîìó ýòî èíòåðåñíî? ÿâíî áîëüøèå äèíàìèêè â ïåðâóþ î÷åðåäü ïîêóïàþò èñõîäÿ èç ãðîìêîñòè - ÷èòàé âîçìîæíîñòè ïðèòàðàíèòü êîìá â Äóëåí Õàóç è æàõíóòü àööêèì äèñòîì, ÷òîáû â êîððèäîðå îáîñðàëîñü ÷ó÷åëî Êóðòà Êîáýéíà) 9. ×åì áîëüøå ëàìï â ïðåàìïå/óñèëèòåëå, òåì êðó÷å îí çâó÷èò. Íàøà ñòðàíà âñåãäà ñëàâèëàñü ìàñòåðàìè íà âñå ðóêè, ýòàêèìè Êóëèáèíûìè. Õî÷åøü - ñëèâíîé áà÷îê ïî÷èíþ, õî÷åøü - ñâåòèëüíèê ñàì ñïàÿþ. À â èòîãå âñå ïîëó÷àåòñÿ, êàê ïðàâèëî, "ïî-ñîâêîâîìó", ðàçâàëèâàåòñÿ íà êóñêè, íè òî, íè äðóãîå íå ñäåëàíî òàê, êàê ïîäîáàåò. (÷î ñêàçàë? âîîáùå íå ïîíÿòíî.. òèïà : " ß êàðî÷å íå âòûêàþ è âàì òîæå âíèêàòü íå ñîâåòóþ..." 10. Ïðîöåññîð, ó êîòîðîãî åñòü ëàìïà, çâó÷èò êðó÷å ïðîöåññîðà áåç íåå, ïîòîìó ÷òî ó íåãî ëàìïîâûé ïåðåãðóç. Âåðà â ïîäîáíûå çàáëóæäåíèÿ ïîðîþ íàñòîëüêî ñèëüíà, ÷òî ïåðåñèëèâàåò çäðàâûé ñìûñë è äàæå ñîáñòâåííûå óøè. (ñîãëàñåí) 11. "Ôèðìà÷è" íà êîíöåðòàõ ñòàâÿò íà ñöåíó ñòåíû Ìàðøàëëîâ, òàê êàê íóæíà áîëüøàÿ ìîùíîñòü, ÷òîáû îçâó÷èòü áîëüøîé çàë/ñòàäèîí è ò.ï. (îïÿòü êàêîå-òî ðàçìàçûâàíèå êàøè)  îáùåì - íå ïîíÿë ÿ âàøåé ðàäîñòè ïî ïîâîäó ýòîé ñòàòüè... |
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À äëÿ òàêèõ, êòî óæå çíàåò, ÿ ñäåëàë âñòóïèòåëüíîå ñëîâî.
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"...1. Ðå÷ü øëà î òîì, ÷òî íåêîòîðûå äóìàþò, ÷òî äîìà òðàíçèñòîð áóäåò çâó÷àòü ëó÷øå ëàìïû. Êòî-òî òîæå òàê äóìàåò? Ìîãó ïèîíåðñêèé ãàëñòóê ïîäàðèòü. À íàñ÷åò "âïîëíå õâàòèò"... ß äàëåêî íå îëèãàðõ, íî ìíå íå õâàòèò. Åñëè âàì õâàòàåò - ðàä çà âàñ..." - ×åì òåáå íå õâàòàåò? Òû íå ñìîæåøü çàíèìàòüñÿ íà òðàíçþêå? 2. ×èòàéòå âíèìàòåëüíî, ðå÷ü øëà î òðàíçèñòîðíûõ ïåäàëÿõ ïåðåãðóçà. Íî è ïðåàìïû ëó÷øå çâó÷àò â ëàìïîâûå îêîíå÷íèêè, íåâîçìîæíî ýòî íå óñëûøàòü. (Íåò ýòî ÒÛ ÷èòàé âíèìàòåëüíî! Ãäå êòî-òî ïèøåò, ÷òî ïðåàìïû â ëàìïó õóæå çâó÷àò?) |
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Òàê î òîì è ðå÷ü - ÷òî ÝÊÎÍÎÌÈ×ÅÑÊÈ ýòî î÷åíü îïðàâäàíî. À âîò óæå êòî ÷òî õî÷åò è ìîæåò ñåáå ïîçâîëèòü - ýòî äåëî äðóãîå | |
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ïðèãîäèëàñü ñòàòüÿ ñïàñèáî! 
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Ìîñêâà Îäíàêî, ãèòàðû. 
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Ãèäð@ëèñê, åñëè çàáûòü íà ñåêóíäî÷êó îá ýêîíîìèêå) Òî âïîëíå ëîãè÷íî âñå) Lex, âîò íà ýôôåêòàõ íàäî 10 ïóíêò íå ïðîñòî âûëîæèòü è ïðèêðåïèòü, åãî íàäî áîëüøèìè áóêâàìè íà âåñü ïîäôîðóì... |
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artists@futuremusicprod.com - A&R, âàøè çàïèñè îáÿçàòåëüíî ïðîñëóøàþò.
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" Íà ñ÷åò Ìàðøàëîâ êîíå÷íî íåìíîãî íå òàê!!! Îíè îòëè÷íî îçûóèâàþò è çàë òîæå!!!!!!ÒÀÌ ÑÒÎËÜÊÎ ÄÓÐÈ Â ÍÈÕ!!! ×òî è äî çàëà òîæå äîõîäèò !!!!" Çíà÷ ÿ êàê ñ÷àñòëèâûé îáëàäàòåëü Ìàðøàëà ñêàæó ÷òî â ýòîì ñìûñëå(÷òî èìè îáû÷íî çàë íå îçâó÷èâàþò) ÿ ñ àâòîðîì ñîâåðøåííî ñîãëàñåí! Äà äóðè â íèõ ìíåãî,íî îíè ñàìè ïî ñèáå ðàñ÷èòàíû íå íà îçâó÷êó çàëîâ,à íà ìîíèòîðèíã.Õîòÿá ïîòîìó,÷òî êàáèíåòû êàê ïðàâèëî îòñòðîåííû îïðåäåë¸ííûì îáðàçîì(ôîêóñèðîâêà çâóêà),îíè äîñòàòî÷íî óçêîíàïðàâëåííû...Ïðîñòî åñëè òû äàøü ïðèëè÷íóþ ìîùíîñòü íà ñòåíó èç ýòèõ Ìàðøàëîâ,òî òû(ïóñòü òû áóäåøü äàæ Èíãâè Ìàëìñòèí îáðàçöà 2003 ãîäà),òâîè ìóçûêàíòû âìåñòå ñ áàðàáàíàìè,ãèòàðàìè è êëàâèøàìè áóäóò íà õðåí ñäóòû ñî ñöåíû. À âîò ìàëåíüêèé íüþàíñ êîòîðûé àâòîð óïóñòèë-ðîëü Ìàðøàëîâ íå òîëüêî â ìîíèòîðèíãå íî è â çâóêîîáðàçîâàíèè(èìåííî èç-çà ýòîãî åñòü íå òîëüêî Ìàðøàë,íî è Ìåññà,Ýíãë,Êðýéò...).Çâóê â ïîðòàë ïîñòóïàåò ñ ïóëüòà,à íà ïóëüò ñ ìèêðîôîíà, êîòîðûì ñíèìàþò êàáèíåòû...Ñîîòâåòñòâåííî êîíå÷íûé ðåçóëüò-íàïðÿìóþ ñâÿçàí ñî çâóêîì âñåãî òðàêòà ãèòàðû,â êîòîðîì ñòýêàðü/êîìáî èãðàåò îäíó èç âàæíåéøèõ ðîëåé,íå ìåíåå âàæíóþ ÷åì èíñòðóìåíò êîòîðûé â íåãî âòûêàþò! Íà ñ÷¸ò ãðîìêîñòè... ß íå ìîãó ñêàçàòü ÷òî òèøå ìîé 2000 çâó÷èò õóæå,íî(!)õàðàêòåð çâóêà íåñêîëüêî äðóãîé íåæëè íà ìîùíîñòè ñâûøå 60%.È ýòî îáúÿñíèìî-ïðè óâèëè÷åíèè ìîùíîñòè íà ëàìïîâîì îêîíå÷íèêå ïîäíèìàåòñÿ ñåðåäèíà..ß äàæ òàê ñêàæó,÷òî ïðè âêëþ÷åííîì V.P.R. íå ñìîòðÿ íà çàâåðåíèÿ ôèðìû,âñ¸òàêè îòòåíîê çâóêà íåñêîëüêî äðóãîé íåæëè â îáû÷íîì ðåæèìå... Ïî ïîâîäó Ñáëèâ.. Çíà÷ ÿ ïðèçíàþñü ÷åñòíî-â çâóêå,ñ ïîçèöèè çâóêàðÿ ÿ íå ðóáëþ!Èìåííî ïî ýòîìó è íå âûêëàäûâàþ òðåêè â íåò óæå ëåò 5 èáî ïîíÿë,÷òî ñèå ñðàìíî ïîêà..Íî äîïóñêàþ òàêóþ âåùü...âïðèíöèïå,ýòî ìîÿ íà äàííûé ìîìåíò ïðîáëåììà:ó òÿ åñòü ñòýê,ãèòàðà-òû íàðóëèë òàêîé çâóê,êîòîðûé òÿ ïîëíîñòüþ óñòðàèâàåò....òåáå íóæíî óñòðîéñòâî,òî÷íåå ñâÿçêà ìèêðîôîí-óñòðîéñòâî,ïîçâîëÿþùåå ïðîñòî ýòî òî÷íî çàïèñàòü...íó õîòÿá ñ íàèìåíüøèìè ïîòåðÿìè...Áðàëîñü ÑÁËèâ + Shure SM57 + êîìïðåññîð DBX...=êàë!Äàëåå ìåíÿëñÿ ìèêðîôîí íà êàêîéòî AKG = åù¸ áîëüøèé êàë, ïîòîì äîñòàë Audio-Technica ATM63HE...= ëó÷øå,íî ãîìíåöîì îòäà¸ò... Ñïóñòÿ âîðåìÿ ïîçíàêîìèëñÿ ñ ÷åëîì îïûòíûì â ýòîì äåëå...ïðèíåñëè åãî M-Box, èäàæ áåç DBX íî ñ ïîíðàâèâøèìñÿ ìíå Audio-Technica áûë ðåàëüíî âïèðàþùèé çâóê,êîòîðûé âïîëíå ìîæíî óæå ðóëèòü, è êàê òî ïîêàçûâàòü....Âîò îáúÿñíè ìíå ñåé ôåíîìåí,âåäü òûæ ÷àñòî ïîâòîðÿåøü "âåðü óøàì ñâîèì"...? "1. Ðå÷ü øëà î òîì, ÷òî íåêîòîðûå äóìàþò, ÷òî äîìà òðàíçèñòîð áóäåò çâó÷àòü ëó÷øå ëàìïû. Êòî-òî òîæå òàê äóìàåò? Ìîãó ïèîíåðñêèé ãàëñòóê ïîäàðèòü. À íàñ÷åò "âïîëíå õâàòèò"... ß äàëåêî íå îëèãàðõ, íî ìíå íå õâàòèò. Åñëè âàì õâàòàåò - ðàä çà âàñ." Ñêàæåì òàê,ýòî ïîïûòêà ñðàâíèòü õðåí ñ ïóëåì¸òîì...Óæå äàâíî èäåÿ òðàíçèñòîðîì ñýìèòèðîâàòü ëàìïó ïåðåðîñëà(ââèäó íåóäà÷è îíîé)â ñîâåðøåííî ñàìîñòîÿòåëüíîå çâó÷àíèå, îáëàäàþùåå ñâîèìè îñîáåííîñòÿìè...Âî âñÿêîì ñëó÷àå íåêîòîðûå ïîäåëêè îò òàêèõ ôèðì êàê Õüþç&Êåòíåð ýòî ïîäòâåðæäàþò...ß ñ÷àñ âèæó 3 ëèíèè çâóêà êîòîðûå ðàçâèâàþòñÿ ïàðàëåëüíî, íå êîíêóðèðóÿ äðóã ñ äðóãîì: ëàìïîâàÿ,òðàíçèñòîðíàÿ è öèôðîâàÿ....Ïðîñòî êàæäîìó èç íàñ ïî òåìïåðàìåíòó,òðåáîâàíèÿì è ò.ä. áëèæå îäíî èç ýòèõ íàïðàâëåíèé. Ñâî¸ îùóùåíèå îò ñòàòüè: Êàê ëþáîé íîðìàëüíûé ãèòàðèñò ïîñòîÿííî ÷óâñòâóþ â ñåáå êëóáîê ïðîòèâîðå÷èé))òàê è ñåé÷àñ.Ñ îäíîé ñòîðîíû-ðåñïåêò çà ïîëåçíûå ìîìåíòû è äàæå çà íåòî÷íîñòè,èáî ýòî åñòü ïîâîä äëÿ îáùåíèÿ.Íî ñ äðóãîé... ß ïðèø¸ë ê âûâîäó,÷òî â èñêóññòâå íåò êàê òàêîâûõ îáùåïðèíÿòûõ ïðàâèë.Íåò,åñòü èñòîðè÷åñêèå è íàó÷íûå ôàêòû ñ êîòîðûìè ñïîðèòü ãëóïî,íî òàêèå âîïðîñû êàê ÷òî ñ÷èòàòü èñêóññòâîì,ó êîãî ñàìàÿ ëó÷øàÿ ãèòàðà,ó êîãî ñàìûõ êëàñíûé çâóê,êòî ñàìûé âåëèêèé ãèòàðèñò....è ×ÒÎ Ñ×ÈÒÀÒÜ ÌÓÇÛÊÀËÜÍÛÌ ÇÀÁËÓÆÄÅÍÈÅÌ - ýòî âñ¸ íàñòîëüêî èíäèâèäóàëüíûå ìîìåíòû....ß äàæ íå ïðåäñòàâëÿþ êàê îá ýòèõ âåùàõ ìîæíî ñïîðèòü-ñêîëüêî ÷åðåïîâ,ñòîêà è ìíåíèé...Ïî ýòîìó âîçíèêàåò âîïðîñ-à ñìûñåë â ñóùåñòâîâàíèè ýòîé ñòàòüè? |
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Âîò Âàì, ÷òîáû áóëêè íå ðàññëàáëÿëè  Amplifier Myths, Fantasies, and Facts The guitarist cannot begin to make intelligent gear decisions without a basic understanding of tone, power, and volume. Many experienced guitarists still nurse and cherish "facts" that are so incorrect as to be pure fantasy. Some of these guitarists have achieved great tone – but only after years of very expensive trial and error and without ever really understanding what they did to finally get the killer tone they were looking for. Knowing the facts about amplification can help guitarists take the fast track to their ideal rig and save them thousands of dollars along the way. Each of the following paragraphs debunks a popular myth and tells the real story. Since most readers are probably more interested in playing than becoming technicians and engineers, I've intentionally simplified some of these subjects a great deal. You'll find a lot less bias against solid-state amps here than in most articles. So much so that you might think I'm a fan of solid-state amps. That is not the case at all – I strongly prefer tube amps and suspect I always will (I'm a ####er for glowing lights and shiny things). However, this article is about facts and it is a fact that solid-state amps have come a long way and are an appropriate choice for some players and some situations. In fact, even though I still strongly prefer tube amps, if I were doing the weekend warrior thing I would probably use one of the better solid-state amps for gigs! Power Myths Several common myths about amplifier power are debunked below. The bottom line is that you should select an amplifier for its features and tone, and consider power level as the least important criteria in your selection. 1) My 100-watt amp is twice as loud as your 50-watt amp. This is one of those really sad myths that just won't go away in spite of volumes of empirically and mathematically proven, unambiguous, clear, undisputed, scientific knowledge to the contrary – knowledge that every tech worthy of a soldering iron learned very early in their training. Music store sales weenies on commission love this myth because it's sold thousands of 100-watt stacks (not to mention the follow-on sales of expensive replacement tube sets). Here are the facts: • All other things being equal, a 100-watt amp will be just perceptibly louder than a 50-watt amp. It takes about a ten-fold increase in power to double perceived volume. That's right, you'd need a 500-watt amp to be "twice as loud" as your buddy's 50-watt amp. Even more thought-provoking is the fact that a 50-watt amp will only be perceived as a little bit louder than a 15-watt amp driving the same cabinet! • All other things are almost never equal. There are so many variables controlling sound pressure level (SPL) and perceived volume that it is quite common for a small amp to sound louder than a much more powerful amp. • Cab design, speaker size and efficiency, signal compression, and several other factors have far greater impact on perceived volume than does power level. • The initial purchase price of a 100-watt amp will be significantly higher than a 30-watt amp with similar features. • It will cost you signficantly more to re-tube a 100-watt amp. • If you are driving a 30- or 50-watt amp hard enough to require frequent re-tubing, chances are very good that you will also drive the 100-watt amp hard enough to require frequent retubing (at significantly higher cost). Am I saying 100-watt stacks are evil? No. No one really needs one (see below) but if you want one be my guest. All I'm saying is that you should be aware that you are spending a lot of money to purchase a miniscule increase in volume. 2) I need a 100-watt amp 'cause my band has started gigging in clubs. This is a myth that I believe originates with hormonally imbalanced teens who have more experience watching movies about teen bands than they have playing real gigs. Unfortunately, it's a self-perpetuating myth because the rhythm player is going to get a big amp 'cause he's being drowned out by the lead player, then the bass has to get a 400 watt amp to be heard at all, then they need a 1200 watt PA system so that the vocals have some chance of being heard over the cacophony from the guitars and bass, and finally they end up having to mic the drummer even in a small club because the drummer is breaking sticks and skins and still can't be heard over the racket. Within a few years their hearing has been permanently damaged and they all decide that they need bigger amps! Three-quarters deaf, they finally make the big time and the guitar magazines write about the gang of three 100-watt stacks that the guitar hero uses on stage and all the wannabees have just gotta have the same rig. . . As you can imagine, this is another myth that sales weenies on commission are in no hurry to debunk! Well, here are the facts. • There is absolutely no venue that requires a larger amp and cabinet than one suitable for use as a stage monitor – provided that the members of the band don't get into a juvenile competition to outdo each other. Need more feedback? Fine, move closer to the amp, for crying out loud! Typically, a really good 30-watt rig with a suitable cab is ample! Depending on the composition of your band and the variety of venues you play, an even smaller rig mic'ed to the PA and then pumped to stage monitors may be even better. Note that while a good 30-watt rig has ample volume you may end up having to buy a more powerful rig to get other desired features. o At a small venue, a 15 to 30 watt amp can be placed behind the band in a traditional position and used without a mic. In this position the rig serves as a monitor for the guitarist and as the primary amplification for the guitar. o At a medium venue, the small rig can be placed in front of and facing the guitarist as a monitor, and be mic'ed and run through the band's PA. The band's PA speakers are placed along the front of the stage and facing out. This arrangement allows the sound to be balanced at the mixer and allows the band to flood a medium to large venue without damaging their hearing. o At a large to giant venue, that same small rig can be arranged much as described above but now the band's mixer feeds the house PA. This is the only way to reach the back of the room without dangerous SPLs near the stage at a large venue and would be required no matter how powerful a rig the guitarist has. • Smaller equipment takes up less space on cramped stages. • The money you save by purchasing a smaller amp can fund a nice power conditioner to protect your equipment and clean up powerline noise – the conditioner will cost less too since now you don't need one that will handle a billion watts. • If the band members will agree not to compete, all of them can recognize significant savings by not having to purchase unnecessary equipment. • Your band is far more likely to be called back for a repeat engagement if you provide a well-balanced, easily managed performance than if you are just obnoxiously and uncontrollably loud. • Many guitarists already have the monster amp – it isn't necessary to get rid of it. You can use an attenuator (see the attenuator myth) and perhaps a smaller cab. 3) I need a small combo because I live in an apartment. This is sort of the opposite of myth two, above, and is closely related to myth one, above. While a small combo will certainly take up less room, it may or may not be easier to get good cranked tone out of it at apartment levels. First, read myth one again. If it's true that we have to increase power ten times to double perceived volume, then it is also true that we have to reduce power ten times to cut the perceived volume in half. Thus, even a tiny 5-watt single ended tube amp is going to sound about half as loud as a fifty-watt stack (actually, it will be a bit quieter than that because it is probably driving an eight or ten inch speaker instead of a 4X12 cab). Even that five-watt amp will be way to loud to run cranked in an apartment unless your neighbors are very tolerant. Here are some facts you should consider: • Even a 5-watt tube amp with an eight inch speaker is very loud by the time you crank it into distortion. • You can use an attenuator with either a large amp or a small combo. Keep in mind, however, that attenuating below about 1 watt per speaker starts to adversely affect tone – it seems that a certain amount of speaker drive is required to round out distortion (see recent articles on 3-stage amplification architecture tests at amptone.com). Even one watt into an 8" or 10" guitar speaker is likely to get you evicted. • Many small combos do not offer a master volume, thus making it impossible to even get preamp saturation at acceptable volume levels. • To get true "cranked tube tone" in an apartment at lease-safe levels you are almost certainly going to have to use a combination of attenuation and a sound-proof speaker isolation box with a microphone running to a mixer or stereo. This is true whether you are running a 5-watt, single-ended, class A combo with an eight-inch speaker or a 100-watt stack with a 4X12 cab. • It's not a good idea to run an amp inside of a sound-proof box, so even with a small combo you will need an extension speaker. • It's not much fun to try to enclose a 4X12 cab, so you'll also need an extension speaker with that kind of rig. The lesson here, once again, is to select amplifiers based on features, not on power level. A tiny five-watt class-A amp with an eight-inch speaker and no features may not be very satisfying after a while, will be wholly inadequate for gigging, and still isn't quiet enough to run cranked in your apartment! Add a few features such as footswitchable channels, master volume, and an effects loop and that 5-watt amp starts to become pretty attractive! 4) My tube amp has a master volume control that lets me get power-amp distortion at low volume levels. Yet another myth that sales weenies love (seems like there are quite a few of these, huh). The facts are: • With the possible exception of some very rare and expensive "boutique" amps, a so-called master volume does not reduce power output after the power-amplification stage as the name would seem to imply. • The master volume controls found on popular amps cut the power between the final preamp stage and the power amp. • In all popular tube amps, when you turn down the master volume, then turn up the gain controls to achieve overdrive, you are overdriving the preamp stages, not the power stage. I firmly believe that manufacturers deliberately misnamed the "master volume" control to deceive consumers – but that does not mean that the control is useless. Quite the contrary, I regard a "master volume" control as an essential part of a good amplifier. The "master volume" control permits running the preamp at full saturation or beyond at reasonable volume levels and allows one to balance preamp and power amp saturation for a wide variety of sounds. I love "master volume" controls, I just think they should be named less deceptively! 5) Power attenuators damage amplifiers. There is some truth to this myth. But, attenuators can be safely and successfully used – and every guitarist should know how and when they can be safely used. Here are the facts: • A properly designed power attenuator does not apply any more stress to the amplifier than does a speaker cab – in fact a good attenuator will usually apply slightly less stress than a cab alone. However... • ...when using an attenuator, guitarists typically drive their amplifier much harder than they ever would when driving a cabinet directly. Driving the amp this hard will significantly reduce tube life regardless of whether the amp is driving an attenuator or a cab. As a consequence, it seems like the "attenuator wore out the tubes." In reality, the guitarist was just enjoying much more overdrive than he ever would have without the attenuator and is paying the piper. • Some amplifiers are simply not built to be driven hard. When the guitarist uses an attenuator and then runs the amp harder than he would have into a cabinet, very bad things happen and then the guitarist says, "that attenuator ruined my amp." No, driving the amp at "10" ruined it – the attenuator is only incidental in that you never cranked the amp to 10 because it was just too danged loud! This problem is particularly common with low-power combos. I have a little 15-watt class A Ampeg Jet J-12T. It's a great sounding little amp that I never cranked higher than about about "4." One day I decided to see if it would do "metal." Using a guitar with hot humbuckers I cranked the little Ampeg to "10" and played for about 2 minutes before the volume just became too painful (I was not using an attenuator, this was directly into the built-in 12" speaker). When I turned the amp back down to reasonable levels I could hear a crackling sound. In two minutes or so I'd blown both of the screen resistors and ruined the tubes. The tech at my local guitar shop called Ampeg (the amp was still under warranty). They told him, "fix it but tell the guy not to turn the amp up to 10 anymore." • Attenuators can be used safely if you follow these rules: o Make sure that the attenuator contains some inductance. This will help maintain natural tone and causes the impedance to increase with frequency. o The attenuator should either have approximately the same inductance as a speaker or should be of slightly higher resistance than a speaker. It is better to reflect a slightly higher than normal impedance through the output transformer than too low of an impedance. o Have a reputable tech "cool off" your amp. Explain to the tech that you are going to be driving the amp very hard into an attenuator and you want it biased a bit cold to save the tubes. This will cost a bit in tone (chances are you won't notice this because you probably never drove the amp so hard anyway) but will make the tubes last a lot longer and reduce the chances of damage to other components such as the expensive output transformer. A knowledgeable tech can also tell you if the model of amp you are using is known for blowing transformers and what have you (many guitar amps have output transformers that are not rated anywhere near the amp's max output). 6) Power attenuators kill tone. Actually, it seems that well-designed power attenuators with inductive elements have little effect on tone until you attenuate to below about one watt per speaker. I suspect that the real issue is not so much the power level as the excursion of the speaker coil. At very low power levels the coil has very slow linear movement for a given frequency and thus has very little momentum accumulated when it reverses direction. At higher power levels the linear movement rate is much higher and the speaker tends to overshoot much more, rounding out sharp corners in the input signal. That's just a hypothesis on my part but, whatever the cause, the effect has been tested and measured by cybermonk at amptone.com. Distortion Myths and Solid-State vs. Tube There are so many myths, many of them conflicting, that it is hard to know where to begin. Probably the most important thing to realize is that distortion can be broadly characterized as "hard" and "soft." "Soft" distortion is the holy grail for most but it's important to realize that both types of distortion are useful. 1) Preamp distortion is bad. Preamp (even tube preamp) distortion is much harder than tube power-amp distortion but the fact is that most rock-distortion uses both preamp and power amp distortion. 2) You can get great tube tone using tubes only in the preamp. The fact is that the "creamy" soft distortion most of us desire occurs only in a saturated power tube section. Tubes in the preamp do warm up the signal by introducing small impurities not typically present in a solid-state circuit, however. 3) Tube and solid-state preamps sound the same. The facts are: • Tubes "warm up" the signal by introducing impurities not present in most solid-state circuits. • Tubes, even preamp tubes, go into clipping more gently than most solid-state circuits resulting in a slightly smoother transition to distortion. Running preamp tubes just at full saturation gives a very full tone that simply isn't found in solid-state preamp circuits. • Amp and effects manufacturers have been fairly successful in modeling tube preamp sounds using digital (DSP) and analog solid-state techniques. 4) Solid state amps ####. This is only half true. The facts are: • Many solid-state amps do ####, especially older models and entry-level models. • Some newer solid state amps actually sound pretty good, especially for clean tones. None have truly "nailed" power tube distortion but modeling amps are getting close. • Many guitarists and most non-musicians can't tell the difference between the best of the solid-state amps and a tube amp except in a side-by-side A/B test – and some can't tell even then. • A good tube circuit anywhere in the amplification chain can "warm up" a sterile clean signal. • Solid-state amps are much lighter, more rugged, and more reliable than tube amps. • Solid-state amps typically deliver a much more consistent sound over a wider range of output volumes. • Many, many, guitarists who absolutely swear by tube amps and won't even test drive a solid-state amp never push their tube amps into power-stage distortion – and power stage distortion is about the only thing that a good solid-state amp can't do well! Solid-state amps have come a long way but are still not quite "there," in my opinion. Some of them do a pretty good job of modeling preamp distortion but they aren't quite over the top modeling the power amp with it's complex interaction between power tube, output transformer, and speaker. Even so, nine out of ten people in the audience at a typical live gig aren't going to know or care whether you are using a good solid-state amp or a tube amp. If you do the weekend warrior thing and either play mostly clean or mostly with very heavy "metal" distortion then your best choice of gear might well be a multi-effects unit with a tube preamp driving a good solid-state amp! 5) The entire signal path must be tube, there mustn't be any solid state circuitry in the signal path. This is so silly it would be funny if not for the thousands who make inappropriate and expensive gear choices based solely on the presence or absence of an "all tube" decal on the front panel. The facts are: • We like what tubes do to tone because of coloring they add to the tone. This is true both of clean and overdriven signals. • Clean (non-overdriven) solid-state circuitry of even mediocre quality reproduces a signal extremely faithfully. It will not "sterilize" a signal that has been "warmed up" in a tube stage. • At least one tube stage should be present in the preamp chain to warm up clean tones. This can be a tube preamp in a tube or hybrid amp or it can be a tube pedal or tube preamp in a multi-effects unit such as the GSP-2101 or RP20. • Until modeling is perfected, tube power amp sections provide the most "liquid" distortion. But remember, this is only important if you are looking for liquid distortion! If you're playing mostly traditional country then you want an almost painfully clean signal anyway. Similarly, if you are playing in a shock-rock band you probably want mostly "hard" distortion anyway. • For clean tones there is little practical difference between a solid-state power amp and a tube power amp provided that the signal has been suitably "warmed up" in a tube preamp. I've seen people pass up a good deal on a great-sounding tube amp because it had a solid-state reverb driver or tremelo circuit and then stick a half-dozen cheap solid-state pedals in the effects loop of the less-capable amp that they purchased because it was "all tube." P.T. Barnum was right! Last Modified: 2004-05-01 Number of views: 2922 solid state vs. tube tone i had a solid state fender amplifier, and hated the thing because i couldnt turn it up with trust of blowing something, just as you mentioned. and the power of solid state amps are only a fraction of what they are actually capable of. so if you want to run a SS amp at 30 watts constantly, then you would need a 100 watt rated SS amplifier to do the trick, and not a 30 watt amp at ful blast. this is why i took my time to get a 6505+. for classic rock players harmonics are a must, another thing i dont see SS amps touching. and even though modeling amps are getting close, they still arent the real McCoy. Matt FIsher [2006-01-28] Stage volume- Floor volume Most bands play way to loud and like you said eyery one keeps turning up. And the vocals are lost because the Guitar player, Bass and drummer are all trying to be heard. The vocalist screams to be heard when all they have to do to hear the vocalist is turn down. Who in thier right minds need a 2000 watt pa and 300 watt ampeg bass head and guitar player with half stack and to top it off the drummer is playing with micked drums in a bar that holds 100- 150 people??? |
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