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 52 :
Position 1. Bridge Pickup
Position 2. Neck Pickup with Tone Control (Bright Vintage Circuit)
Position 3. Neck Pickup with No Tone Control (Dark Vintage Circuit)

3? ? - ?
american vintage 52 tele. ? , dark tone 3?
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 íè îäíîé ðóññêîé áóêâû íå îòîáðàçèëîñü. Íå ïîíèìàþ â ÷åì äåëî
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 Âîïðîñ ïî ðàñïàéêå ñòàðîãî òèïà íà òåëåêàñòåðàõ!

Íà òåëåêàõ òèïà âèíòàæ 52 ðàñïàéêà ñòàðîãî òèïà:
Position 1. Bridge Pickup
Position 2. Neck Pickup with Tone Control (Bright Vintage Circuit)
Position 3. Neck Pickup with No Tone Control (Dark Vintage Circuit)

Çà ñ÷åò ÷åãî îáðåçàþòñÿ âåðõè â ïîçèöèè 3? Êàêîé òóäà ëó÷øå ïîñòàâèòü êîíäåíñàòîð? Êòî-íèáóäü ýêñïåðèìåíòèðîâàë?
Âîò ôîòêà âíóòðåííîñòåé american vintage 52 tele. ß òàê ïîíèìàþ òàì îòñóòñòâóåò êîíäåíñàòîð? Ïîýòîìó íåò, òàê íàçûâàåìîãî dark tone â ïîçèöèè 3?
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 âñ¸ ïðîñòî, íà ïåðâûõ òåëåêàñòåðàõ ðó÷êà òîíà â íýêîâîé ïîçèöèè áûëà óáðàíà äî óïîðà, ÷òîáû ïîëó÷èòü òàêîé ñïåöýôè÷åñêèé ò¸ïëûé çâóê áåç âåðõîâ. íà ïåðåèçäàíèÿõ ýòó ôèøêó ÷àñòî äåëàþò, íî ïåðåïàÿòü íîðìàëüíî íå òðóäíî
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 âîò ôîòî÷êà
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 âåðíåå íå ñàìà ðó÷êà, à ðàñïàéêà â òðåòåé ïîçèöèè áûëà ñäåëàíà òàê, áóäòî òîí âûêðó÷åí íà ìèíèìóì.
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Âðåìÿ: 29.06.2010 20:27 
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 ×èõ , à êàê ïåðåïàÿòü? äîáàâèòü â óêàçàííîå íà ôîòêå ìåñòî êîíäåíñàòîð? À êàêîé? Èíòåðåñíî...
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 êàê ïàÿòü, ÿ õç
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 ÷òî-òî ôîòêà íå õî÷åò ãðóçèòüñÿ
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Jester



 Ýòî âðîäå íå î÷åíü ñòàíäàðòíûé âàðèàíò. Âðîäå êàê ïîçèöèè áûëè:
Áðèäæ
Áðèäæ ñ ïîäìåñîì íýêà
Íýê ñ êîíä¸ðîì.

À äëÿ ýñêâàåðà
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Áðèäæ ñ òîíîì
Áðèäæ ñ êîíä¸ðîì.

À òóò íå÷òî ñðåäíåå. Ñõåìû åñòü êàê íà seymour duncan, òàê è íà fender.com
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 ïîñìîòðè òóò â Tele Diagrams http://www.seymourduncan.com/support/wiring-diagrams/
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 âîò ìîå ôîòî
http://foto.mail.ru/mail/sepulturapersey/85/86.html
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Jester



 Áëèí! ß èïàíóë ñòûäà... ß óêàçàë ðàñïàéêó íà nocaster.... Ó ìåíÿ ê äàò÷èêàì ñõåìà òàêàÿ êñòàòè øëà áåç ðó÷êè òîíà.

 îáùåì àâòîð íà fender.com òîæå åñòü ïîäáîðêà ñõåì, åñëè SD íå äîâåðÿåøü...
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Âðåìÿ: 29.06.2010 20:37 
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 ÿ òàì ñìîòðåë... ÿ íå îñîáî ðàçáèðàþñü â ñõåìàõ, íî âðîäå ó ìåíÿ íå õâàòàåò êîíäåðà äëÿ òîãî ò÷îáû óáðàòü âåðõè... ïîýòîìó è íåò íåîáõîäèìîãî ýôôåêòà îò òðåòüåé ïîçèöèè.

Jester ,
Íà òåëåêàõ òèïà âèíòàæ 52 ðàñïàéêà ñòàðîãî òèïà:
Position 1. Bridge Pickup
Position 2. Neck Pickup with Tone Control (Bright Vintage Circuit)
Position 3. Neck Pickup with No Tone Control (Dark Vintage Circuit)
ñõåìà
http://www.fender.com/support/diagrams/pdf_temp1/telecaster/...0100202CPg2.pdf

íà ñîâðåìåííûõ
Position 1. Bridge Pickup
Position 2. Bridge and Neck Pickups
Position 3. Neck Pickup
ñõåìà
http://www.fender.com/support/diagrams/pdf_temp1/telecaster/...8400_02APg2.pdf
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 ÿ ïåðåñìîòðåë êó÷ó ñõåì è íà íèõ óêàçàíû ðàçíûå êîíäåíñàòîðû... ìîæåò îíè îäèèíàêîâûå... õ/ç. Íàçâàíèÿ òàêèå 1k 250s, 1uf 200vdc, 100nF mud cap. È ýòî âñå â îäíîé ïîçèöèè êàê áû óêàçàíî, òàê ÷òî õðåí ïîéìåøü ÷òî òóäà ïàÿòü
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 Ñåãà, êîãäà íåñêîëüêî ëåò íàçàä òåëå áðàë, ïðîäàâåö ïðÿì ïðè í¸ì ïåðåïàÿë âèíòàæ ñõåìó íà ñòàíäàðä, ìîæ îí âñïîìèíèò ÷åãî åìó äåëàëè :4:
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 íàäåþñü îí ïîÿâèòñÿ â ýòîé òåìå è ðàññêàæåò.
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 ÷òîáû äîáèòüñÿ òàêîãî çâó÷àíèÿ íàäî ïðèöåïèòü êîíäåíñàòîð íà 1 ìèêðîôàðàä íà ïîòåíöèîìåòð ãðîìêîñòè?
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Jester



 ˸õà~Ëÿìöåâ , äà ÿ óæå ïîÿñíèë æå, ÷òî ñ íîêàñòåðîì ïîïóòàë. À åñëè ñìîòðåòü íà ñõåìó, òî äà ñîîòâåòñòâåííî íåõâàòàåò êîíä¸ðà. Âîçìîæíî êîìó-òî äî òåáÿ íå íðàâèëñÿ ñëèøêîì ìóòíûé çâóê îò êîíä¸ðà è îí åãî âûïèëèë, â ñìûñëå âûïàÿë.
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Âðåìÿ: 29.06.2010 23:54 
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 Jester ,
ÿ ïîíÿë :)
ñòðàííî ÷òî âûïàÿë, ìîã áû ïðîñòî ïîëüçîâàòüñÿ äâóìÿ äðóãèìè. Áóäó èñêàòü â ïðîäàæå êîíäåð ïîäõîäÿùèé. Èíòåðåñíî ÷òî áóäåò åñëè ïîñòàâèòü êîíäåð äðóãîé åìêîñòè...
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Âðåìÿ: 30.06.2010 00:18 
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 íàñêîëüêî ÿ ïîíèìàþ, äîñòàòî÷íî ïåðåïàÿòü óæå èìåþùèéñÿ â íóæíîå ìåñòî
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ýòî â êîìïëåêòå ñ ãèòàðîé èäåò. ß õî÷ó âèíòàæíóþ ðàñïàéêó, çíà÷èò íå íàäî îòïàèâàòü òî ÷òî òàì ñòîèò. Íà òîíå êàê ðàç è ñòîèò òîò ÷òî íàäî, à íà ãðîìêîñòè íèôèãà íåò
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Âðåìÿ: 30.06.2010 00:40 
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 íèæíÿÿ ñõåìà ýòî current wiring. Ó ìåíÿ åñòü ê ýòîé ñõåìå ïîò .022 uf. À ìíå íàäî 1k 250 s
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Âðåìÿ: 30.06.2010 03:13 
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Ìîñêâà


 ÷åãî-òî ÿ òóïëþ, òû õî÷åøü ÷òîáû â 3 ïîëîæåíèè áûë íýê ñ îáðåçàííûìè âåðõàìè? à íàôèãà?
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ËÈÇÏÓËß
♠ 1212 ♠


 íàõþé ðó÷êó òîíà :idea2:
Êîìàíäîâàòü êëèòîðîì áóäó ÿ :radio:
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Òåìà: Re: . Neck Pickup with No Tone Control.
Âðåìÿ: 30.06.2010 13:09 
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 ×èõ , äàæå íå çíàþ, ïðîñòî èíòåðåñíî ñòàëî. À ìîæåò çàìóòèòü ñîâðåìåííóþ ðàñïàéêó... äëÿ ýòîãî åñòü êîíäåíñàòîð.
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Âðåìÿ: 30.06.2010 13:44 
Jester



 ß ðåøèë ïëþíóòü, è íîâîìîæíóþ îñòàâèòü, õîòÿ òîæ õîòåë Ú êàêóþ-íèòü. Êîíå÷íî íå îëäñêóë, îòñòîé, çàòî âñ¸ ðóëòñÿ êàê íàäî...
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Òåìà: Re: . Neck Pickup with No Tone Control.
Âðåìÿ: 30.06.2010 16:30 
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 êîðî÷å íàøåë â ìàãàçèíàõ âîò òàêèå äâà. îáà 1ìô 250â. ß åùå íå ïàÿë, òàê ïðîñòî ïðèñëîíèë :) ìåæäó íèìè ðàçíèöû íå ïî÷óâñòâîâàë. Çâóê ðåàëüíî ìåíÿåòñÿ. Âûñîêèõ âîîáùå íåò. Ïîëó÷àåòñÿ áàñ-ãèòàðà, òîëüêî òèõàÿ. Ïðèïàÿþ êàê-íèáóäü. Ïî÷åìó áû íåò, ïîäóìàë ÿ. Íàäîåñò - ïåðåïàÿþ ïî íîâîé ñõåìå ãäå â ñðåäíåì ïîëîæåíèè áðèäæåâûé è íåêîâûé âìåñòå. Íî ÿâíî íå ñêîðî. È âîîáùå íàäî áðàòü ôåíäåð ðåâåðá, à íå ãîáëèí :) õîòÿ îí äëÿ ñâîèõ 10000 çâó÷èò õîðîøî :)
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à ìîæåò ïîïðîáîâàòü ñ äðóãîé åìêîñòüþ êîíäåíñàòîðà? ÷óòü ìåíüøå/áîëüøå. Ïîýêñïåðèìåíòèðîâàòü.
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Jester



 À ÿ âîò deluxe 5E3 õî÷ó... Õîòü ó ìàñòåðà çàêàçûâàé, èáî ñêîëüêî åãî ïåðåèçäàíèå ñòîèò ýòî ïðîñòî ÏÏÖ.
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Âðåìÿ: 30.06.2010 17:00 
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 Jester , íå ñëûøàë î òàêîì, èíòåðåñíî. Åñòü õîðîøèå ïðèìåðû çâó÷àíèÿ? Âûëîæè åñëè íå òðóäíî ñþäà
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 ýòî?
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Âðåìÿ: 30.06.2010 17:05 
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Òàãàíðîã


 íàâåðíîå íå ñàìóþ ëó÷øóþ çàïèñü ÿ íàøåë :sarcastic:
Martin HD-28, Fender American Vintage`52 Telecaster-->Yerasov Goblin10 s/n 001 8-) -->ðîê-í-ðîëë
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Âðåìÿ: 30.06.2010 17:13 
Jester
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Âðåìÿ: 30.06.2010 17:16 
Jester
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Òàãàíðîã


 äà-äà, êðóãëûé ëàìïîâûé âèíòàæíûé çâóê. Êëàññèêà æàíðà :dance1:
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