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Òåìà: Íîâûé Òîêàé èëè ñòàðûé Ãðåêî?
Âðåìÿ: 26.12.2005 18:51 |
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Mr. Vorotilin !
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Âîò ñîáèðàþñü ïîñëå ñåññèè ñåáÿ ïîðàäîâàòü, Ëåñ Ïîë õî÷ó. Ìíîãî èñêàë âûáèðàë, èòîãè òàêîâû: 1.Òîêàé.Íîâûå,êëàññíûå ãèòàðû, ïî ñëîâàì ïîëüçîâàòåëÿ êîïèðóþò ãèïñîí "â íîëü".Íåäîñòàòîê-âûñîêàÿ öåíà. 2.Ãðåêî-Ñòàðûå ëåñïîëû, òîëüêî ïîä çàêàç, ìîæíî îáìàíóòüñÿ ñ êà÷åñòâîì, è åùå åñëè ÿ íå îøèáàþñü åñòü ìîäåëè ñ áîë÷åíûìè ãðèôàìè. Òåìà ìíîé óæå ïîäíèìàëàñü, ëþäè ïèñàëè, íî íå ïîñóùåñòâó. Íóæåí ñîâåò - ñòî âçÿòü íîâûé Òîêàé èëè ñòàðûé Ãðåêî? Íóæåí êðàòêèé ýêñêóðñ ïî ìîäåëüíîìó ðÿäó Ãðåêî(Òåõíè÷åñêèå ðàçëè÷èÿ è ò.ä.). Ïðîñüáà ëþäåé äåñòâèòåëüíî ðàçáèðàþùèõñÿ îáüÿñíèòü ÷òî ê ÷åìó. È òå êòî ñðàâíèâàë Ãðåêî ñ Ãèïñàíîì - âîïðîñ- Åñòü ëè ðàçëè÷èÿ ïî ôîðìàì(òîëùèíà ãðèôà, êîðïóñà è ò.ä.)? |
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Òåìà: Re: Íîâûé Òîêàé èëè ñòàðûé Ãðåêî?
Âðåìÿ: 26.12.2005 19:37 |
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òåáå - òîëüêî ïóëþ â ëîá 
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Òåìà: Re: Íîâûé Òîêàé èëè ñòàðûé Ãðåêî?
Âðåìÿ: 26.12.2005 19:38 |
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PRS McCarty '97 ★ ★ ★ 
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Íó òàê è âûáèðàé, èùè äàëüøå. Ôîðóì-òî òóò ïðè÷åì.. | |
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Òåìà: Re: Íîâûé Òîêàé èëè ñòàðûé Ãðåêî?
Âðåìÿ: 26.12.2005 20:24 |
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Ïðàêòè÷åñêè Àòàâàí 
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×óâàê!  ß òóò âñå ñêàçàë è íå îäèí ðàç. Íîâûé Òîêàé ÿ áû íå áðàë.... Ýòî åñëè ñðàâíèâàòü ñî ñòàðûì Ãðåêî èëè æå ñî ñòàðûì Òîêàåì. Õîòÿ íå ñîìíåâàþñü, ÷òî è íîâûé òîêàé â ïîëíîì ïîðÿäêå. Îäèí â îäèí Ãèáñîí... Äûê äâà ðàçíûõ Ãèáñîíà äðóã äðóãà íå êîïèðóþò à òû ãîâîðèøü. Êîðî÷å â ëþáîì ðàñêëàäå ðàññòðîåí íå áóäåøü. Õîòÿ åñòü êàéô è â íîâûõ ãèòàðàõ. Êîðî÷å! Åñëè ðóêè ðàñòóò êàê íàäî è íå áîèøüñÿ íåìíîãî ïîêîâûðÿòüñÿ ñ ïàëêîé áåðè ñòàðóþ, ïîôèã êàêóþ Ãðåêó èëè Òîêàé. Åñëè íåìíîãî íå òàê çàòî÷åíû ýòè ñàìûå ðóêè Òî íîâüå. |
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"Âñåãäà è âî âñåì ñòðåìèòåñü äîáèòüñÿ îäíîâðåìåííî ïîëåçíîãî äëÿ äðóãèõ è ïðèÿòíîãî äëÿ ñåáÿ"
"Ëþáèò äîáðûõ âñÿêèé, êòî åñòü â ìèðå; åñëè òû çëûõ ëþáèøü, òî òû ïîáåäèë ñåáÿ" |
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Òåìà: Re: Íîâûé Òîêàé èëè ñòàðûé Ãðåêî?
Âðåìÿ: 26.12.2005 20:58 |
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Áåðè òîêàé. | |
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Òåìà: Re: Íîâûé Òîêàé èëè ñòàðûé Ãðåêî?
Âðåìÿ: 26.12.2005 21:16 |
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"òåáå - òîëüêî ïóëþ â ëîá" è òå òîæå... 
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Òåìà: Re: Íîâûé Òîêàé èëè ñòàðûé Ãðåêî?
Âðåìÿ: 26.12.2005 21:42 |
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íàäî ñìîòðåòü êîíêðåòíûé ýêçåìïëÿð... ãëóõèõ áðåâåí â ôîðìå ËÏ äîñòàòî÷íî | |
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Òåìà: Re: Íîâûé Òîêàé èëè ñòàðûé Ãðåêî?
Âðåìÿ: 26.12.2005 22:43 |
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Ìîñêâà àäìèíèñòðàòîð 
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ß áû íè÷åãî íå áðàë è çàâÿçàë áû ñ ìóçûêîé. Òåáå óæ òûùó ðàç âñå ðàññêàçàëè, à òû íèêàê íå óéìåøüñÿ!!!  ñòî ïåðâûé ðàç ïîâòîðÿþ: ÁÅÐÈ ÒÎÒ ÈÍÑÒÐÓÌÅÍÒ, ÊÎÒÎÐÛÉ ËÓ×ØÅ ÇÂÓ×ÈÒ!!! |
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Óíè÷òîæåíèå êàðàòåëüíîé ïñèõèàòðèè ëèøèëî ðîññèéñêèõ äèññèäåíòîâ, ïðàâîçàùèòíèêîâ è äåìîêðàòîâ äàæå íàäåæäû íà êâàëèôèöèðîâàííóþ ìåäèöèíñêóþ ïîìîùü
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Òåìà: Re: Íîâûé Òîêàé èëè ñòàðûé Ãðåêî?
Âðåìÿ: 27.12.2005 02:29 |
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ìîñêâà Les Paul; MusicMan Axis Sport
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åñëè åñòü âîçìîæíîñòü ïîñëóøàòü, òî ïî âûáîðó, åñëè íåò-òî ñòàðûé ãðåêî | |
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Òåìà: Re: Íîâûé Òîêàé èëè ñòàðûé Ãðåêî?
Âðåìÿ: 28.12.2005 12:26 |
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Mr. Vorotilin !
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Áëèí äàê ÿ ïî÷åìó è ïèøó-ïîòîìó÷òî ëþáîé èç âàðèàíòîâ ïðèäåòñÿ áðàòü â ñëåïóþ... ßóæå ïèñàë: "Íóæåí êðàòêèé ýêñêóðñ ïî ìîäåëüíîìó ðÿäó Ãðåêî(Òåõíè÷åñêèå ðàçëè÷èÿ è ò.ä.). Ïðîñüáà ëþäåé äåñòâèòåëüíî ðàçáèðàþùèõñÿ îáüÿñíèòü ÷òî ê ÷åìó. È òå êòî ñðàâíèâàë Ãðåêî ñ Ãèïñàíîì - âîïðîñ- Åñòü ëè ðàçëè÷èÿ ïî ôîðìàì(òîëùèíà ãðèôà, êîðïóñà è ò.ä.)" Âîò íàñ÷åò ýòîãî ìîæåò êòîíèòü íàïèñàòü? |
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Òåìà: Re: Íîâûé Òîêàé èëè ñòàðûé Ãðåêî?
Âðåìÿ: 28.12.2005 12:39 |
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À òåáå,ÿ ÷óñòâóþ,íå õî÷åòñÿ áàáëà íà òîêàé îòâàëèâàòü... Õî÷åòñÿ ÷òîáû è ãðåêî,èç çà ,ñêîëüêî îíè òàì áóøíûå òî?500 êîñàðåé-÷òîáû êàê ëåñ ïîë çâó÷àë... ×óäåñ íå áûâàåò.Åäèíñòâåííîå,÷òî òåáå ìîæåò ïîìî÷ü-ýòî òîêàé.Äà è òî,700-1000 êîñàðåé-âîò ê ÷åìó ñåáÿ íàäî ãîòîâèòü.À òàê-áåðè áåðíè. |
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Òåìà: Re: Íîâûé Òîêàé èëè ñòàðûé Ãðåêî?
Âðåìÿ: 28.12.2005 14:36 |
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Mr. Vorotilin !
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Õîòåë ÿ áåðíè, íî ÷åòî ðàçîíðàâèëèñü îíè ìíå. | |
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Òåìà: Re: Íîâûé Òîêàé èëè ñòàðûé Ãðåêî?
Âðåìÿ: 28.12.2005 14:38 |
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Íó,åñëè òû ñ÷èòàåøü âîçìîæíûì ñðàâíèâàòü áåðíè è òîêàé... | |
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Òåìà: Re: Íîâûé Òîêàé èëè ñòàðûé Ãðåêî?
Âðåìÿ: 28.12.2005 14:40 |
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Mr. Vorotilin !
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Äà, òû ïðàâ, åäèíñòâåííîå ÷òî ìåíÿ ñìóùàåò-ýòî öåíà çà òîêàé. | |
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Òåìà: Re: Íîâûé Òîêàé èëè ñòàðûé Ãðåêî?
Âðåìÿ: 28.12.2005 15:24 |
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À åñòü òàêîå ïðàâèëî-òû çâó÷èøü,íàñêîëüêî ñòîèøü. Òàê ÷òî ðåøàé. |
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Òåìà: Re: Íîâûé Òîêàé èëè ñòàðûé Ãðåêî?
Âðåìÿ: 28.12.2005 17:18 |
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"Íóæåí êðàòêèé ýêñêóðñ ïî ìîäåëüíîìó ðÿäó Ãðåêî(Òåõíè÷åñêèå ðàçëè÷èÿ è ò.ä.). Ïðîñüáà ëþäåé äåñòâèòåëüíî ðàçáèðàþùèõñÿ îáüÿñíèòü ÷òî ê ÷åìó. È òå êòî ñðàâíèâàë Ãðåêî ñ Ãèïñàíîì - âîïðîñ- Åñòü ëè ðàçëè÷èÿ ïî ôîðìàì(òîëùèíà ãðèôà, êîðïóñà è ò.ä.)" |
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Òåìà: Re: Íîâûé Òîêàé èëè ñòàðûé Ãðåêî?
Âðåìÿ: 28.12.2005 17:52 |
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#######û áîëüíûå | |
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Òåìà: Re: Íîâûé Òîêàé èëè ñòàðûé Ãðåêî?
Âðåìÿ: 28.12.2005 18:44 |
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Ý-ý-ý, ìîæåò ýòî òû ñëåãêà ïðèáîëåë? Çèìà âñåòêè íà óëèöå...ïðîñòóäèëñÿ íåáîñü..... À ÷òî òû ðóãàåøñÿ âàùå? |
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Òåìà: Re: Íîâûé Òîêàé èëè ñòàðûé Ãðåêî?
Âðåìÿ: 29.12.2005 19:27 |
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Ïðàêòè÷åñêè Àòàâàí
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Mr.Vorotilin Êðàòêèé ýñêóðñ â Ãðåêî.... Äà ýòî íåðåàë.... Òóò â ïîðó êíèãó èçäàâàòü, è íà íåé îáîãàùàòüñÿ. Äîëãî ïèñàòü. Ïðîùå âûæèìêó è ëè÷íûå ñîâåòû. Òåáå ñèëüíî êðèòè÷íû ìåëêèå ðàçëè÷èÿ â òîëùèíå ãðèôà è êîðïóñà??? Áåðè ÑóïåðÐèë...Åñëè ôèíàíñû ïîçâîëÿò. |
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"Âñåãäà è âî âñåì ñòðåìèòåñü äîáèòüñÿ îäíîâðåìåííî ïîëåçíîãî äëÿ äðóãèõ è ïðèÿòíîãî äëÿ ñåáÿ"
"Ëþáèò äîáðûõ âñÿêèé, êòî åñòü â ìèðå; åñëè òû çëûõ ëþáèøü, òî òû ïîáåäèë ñåáÿ" |
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Òåìà: Re: Íîâûé Òîêàé èëè ñòàðûé Ãðåêî?
Âðåìÿ: 30.12.2005 01:19 |
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Âîò ïðî Ãðåêî, êîìó èíòåðåñíî... Background of Greco Greco is one of the pioneers of these lawsuit guitar makers. They have been making guitars since the early 1960's at the Fiji-genGakki plant. However, note that some Fender copies were made in the Matsumoku plant prior to 1967. During this period, Greco made their own series of guitars, but in the early 1970's, they got into making replicas of original Fenders and Gibsons. In the beginning, their work on these replicas were mediocre due to lack of proper knowledge and materials. But by 1974 or so, their standard of making these copies escalated as they acquired correctly styled hardware. To top that, their craftsmanship were excellent. In no time, Greco made more clone models of original Fender, Gibson, Rickenbacker, Gretsch, Zemaiti, lbanez, (and other brands) than all other Japanese company combined. In terms of quality, skill and knowledge, they beat Tokai to the lawsuit race by at least 5 years. The birth of Fender Japan Eventually, as the company found that the demand for their popular replicas grew and that the size of the production was getting too large, they relinquished their Stratocaster division to Fender Japan in late 1981. By 1982, Greco Stratocasters became Fender JV Stratocasters, then later MIJ and CIJ Stratocasters. These guitars were made by the same guys who made the Greco "Sparkle Sound," "Spacey Sound," "Sparkle Sound," and "Super Real" Stratocasters from 1977-1981. The death of Greco's copy Greco still retained the business of selling great Gibson clones and other brand knockoffs of extraordinary high quality up until 1989. After that, the pressure to “cease and desist” production of copyright-infringing designs took its toll on Greco and they decided to change their headstocks and logos to avoid a confrontation with the American manufacturers. No longer will “lawsuit” models of exact Gibson and Fender clones be made by Greco. The different series of Greco Greco copies are becoming extremely rare and demand gets higher as time passes for these vintage collectibles. The best series of Greco by far are the “Super Real” (made in 1980 only) and “Mint Collection” (made from 1981-1990) models, which were made to amazing likeness to original Fenders and Gibson’s. Greco’s 1977-1979 clones are very nice, too, but many have hardware and specs that don’t match up with the Gibson and Fender classic designs. Serialization Greco guitars are fairly easy to date. The letter that (may) begin the serial number corresponds with the month of production, and the next 2 digits tell the year. For example: E804235 would be a May, 1980 “Super Real” model, production number 4,235. Sometimes, Greco didn’t use letters and only numbers, and even separated the first digit from the rest on occasion. When the first digit is separated, it is likely a 1980’s model; the separated digit corresponding to the year of the 1980’s in which it was made. If there is no serial number stamped into the wood (not on a sticker), then it was made in Korea. |
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Òåìà: Re: Íîâûé Òîêàé èëè ñòàðûé Ãðåêî?
Âðåìÿ: 30.12.2005 14:33 |
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"ÑóïåðÐèë"-÷òî ýòî? | |
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