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Òåìà: Çâóêîñíèìàòåëè Bill Lawrence
Âðåìÿ: 22.05.2004 16:33 |
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×òî ñêàæåòå ïðî çâó÷êè Bill Lawrence, â ÷àñòíîñòè ïðî L-500/XL-500? È ãäå èõ ó íàñ ìîæíî êóïèòü? | |
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Òåìà: Re: Çâóêîñíèìàòåëè Bill Lawrence
Âðåìÿ: 23.05.2004 19:25 |
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à íèãäå. ò.å. ïð áîëüøîé óäà÷å - ñ ðóê. âîîáùå, èõ äâà ðàçíûõ åñòü. îäíè ïðîèçâîäÿòñÿ ñàìèì äÿäüêîé Áèëëîì Ëîóðåíñîì. Èõ ôèã äîñòàíåøü - çà áóãðîì çà íèìè òîæå â î÷åðåäü ñòîÿò. Äðóãèå - ýòî óæå îò Stew Mac, íî ñ òåì æå íàçâàíèåì. Íàâåðíÿêà òî ÷òî ìîæíî êóïèòü - ýòî âòîðûå. Ïî÷èòàé íà harmony-central.com îòçûâû - ãîâîðÿò, îðèãèíàëüíûé, îò Áèëëà Ëîóðåíñà ãîðàçäî êðó÷å. Âåðèòü-íå âåðèòü - ðåøàòü òåáå. Âàðèàíò: dimebucker (SH-13, åñëè íå îøèáàþñü) îò Seymour Duncan. Îí ñäåëàí ïî îáðàçó BL, êîòîðûå òàê ëþáèë Äàéìáýã Äýðåëë:) Ò.å. ýòî åùå îäèí âàðèàíò êîïèè îðèãèíàëà. Íàñêîëüêî îí õîðîø - òðóäíî ãîâîðèòü (íåëüçÿ ñðàâíèòü ñ îðèãèíàëîì!:)), ïî-ðàçíîìó ïèøóò, è õîðîøåå è íå î÷åíü. Òàê ÷òî òàê äåëà îáñòîÿò è òàêèå òðè âàðèàíòà ìíå âèäÿòñÿ. ÿ âûáðàë äàéìáàêåð, ò.ê. ëåãêî êóïèòü. |
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Òåìà: Re: Çâóêîñíèìàòåëè Bill Lawrence
Âðåìÿ: 24.05.2004 11:06 |
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Äà ÿ ïîíèìàþ... ×èòàë óæå - ïðî Dimebucker ïðèìåðíî 60/40 - õîðîøåå/ïëîõîå, ïðî L-500 è XL-500 òîëüêî õîðîøåå... Êñòàòè, òàì ìíîãèå ãîâîðÿò, ÷òî ñàì Äàððåë íà Dimebucker'å è íå èãðàë íèêîãäà (à èãðàåò íà Bill Lawrence), à ïðîñòî ñâîå èìÿ Seymour Duncan ïðîäàë... | |
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Òåìà: Re: Çâóêîñíèìàòåëè Bill Lawrence
Âðåìÿ: 25.05.2004 14:14 |
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Òåìà: Re: Çâóêîñíèìàòåëè Bill Lawrence
Âðåìÿ: 25.05.2004 15:19 |
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Íà ebay î÷åíü âåëèêà âåðîÿòíîñòü êóïèòü ïîääåëêó, êîòîðàÿ ñäåëàíà íå Áèëëîì, à ëþäüìè, èìåþùèìè ïðàâî íà òîðãîâóþ ìàðêó "Bill Lawrence". Íàïðèìåð âîò ïîääåëêà http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=22670&item=3725609820&rd=1 Êîíå÷íî íà àóêöèîíàõ ìîæíî íàéòè íàñòîÿùèå äàò÷èêè Áèëëà, íî ýòî óæ êàê ïîâåçåò. |
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Òåìà: Re: Çâóêîñíèìàòåëè Bill Lawrence
Âðåìÿ: 25.05.2004 15:22 |
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Ïî çâó÷àíèþ ýòè ïîääåëêè, õîòü îíè è âïîëíå îôèöèàëüíûå, íè÷åãî îáùåãî ñ íàñòîÿùèìè Bill Lawrence íå èìåþò. Ó ìåíÿ áûëà ïàðà òàêèõ ïîääåëüíûõ äàò÷èêîâ, îí çâó÷àò íà óðîâíå äåøåâûõ êîðåéñêèõ äàò÷èêîâ, íå ñàìûõ ïëîõèõ ïðàâäà. | |
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Òåìà: Re: Çâóêîñíèìàòåëè Bill Lawrence
Âðåìÿ: 25.05.2004 18:08 |
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Ñëóøàé à êàê îòëè÷èò íàñòîÿùèé îò ïîääåëêè è ëèöåíçèè ÷òî ñêàæåøü ïðî äàéìáàêåð îò ñåìéîðà???7 | |
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Òåìà: Re: Çâóêîñíèìàòåëè Bill Lawrence
Âðåìÿ: 26.05.2004 07:27 |
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Ëèöåíçèè íèêàêîé íåò, ýòî äîâîëüíî äîëãàÿ èñòîðèÿ, ïðî âçàèìîîòíîøåíèÿ Áèëëà ñ åãî áûâøèìè ïàðòíåðàìè... Îòëè÷èòü íàñòîÿùèé íå âñåãäà ïðîñòî, äàò÷èêè äåëàëèñü â ðàçíîå âðåìÿ, â ðàçíûõ ìåñòàõ, ïî âíåøíåìó âèäó îíè íå îäèíàêîâûå. Íà äàò÷èêàõ ðàçíûõ âðåìåí áóäóò ðàçíûå íàäïèñè, áóäóò îòëè÷àòüñÿ íàçâàíèÿ êîìïàíèè. Õàðàêòåðíûé ïðèçíàê ïîääåëêè - ïðîâîäà â êðàñíîé îïëåòêå (Áèëë íèêîãäà íå äåëàë êðàñíîé îïëåòêè), ñëèøêîì òîíêèå ðåëüñû. Ýòî ÷òî êàñàåòñÿ á\\ó äàò÷èêîâ ïðîøëûõ ëåò. Ñåé÷àñ ñèòóàöèÿ òàêàÿ - íàñòîÿùèå äàò÷èêè (íîâûå) ìîæíî êóïèòü íà çàêàç òîëüêî ó Áèëëà, îí èõ äåëàåò ïî ïðåäâàðèòåëüíûì çàêàçàì è ðàññûëàåò ïî ïðåäîïëàòå. (èç Ðîññèè ýòîãî ñäåëàòü ïðàêòè÷åñêè íåâîçìîæíî, õîòÿ òåîðåòè÷åñêè îíè ðàáîòàþò ñ Ðîññèåé). Âñå äàò÷èêè (íîâûå), êîòîðûå ïðîäàþòñÿ â ìàãàçèíàõ ÑØÀ, ñäåëàíû äðóãèìè ëþäüìè - êîìïàíèåé Bill Lawrence Products, áûâøèìè ïàðòíåðàìè Áèëëà. Âîò ñîâðåìåííàÿ ïîääåëêà http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=22670&item=3725609820&rd=1 Âîò íàñòîÿùèé äàò÷èê Áèëëà, ñäåëàííûé â êîíöå 70-õ ... òî ÷òî ñåé÷àñ ìíîãèå íàçûâàþò Original Bill Lawrence, òîëüêî íå 500, à 560 äàò÷èê http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=22670&item=3725351745&rd=1 Âîò íàñòîÿùèå òîæå http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=22670&item=3725480451&rd=1 http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=22670&item=3726532731&rd=1 |
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Òåìà: Re: Çâóêîñíèìàòåëè Bill Lawrence
Âðåìÿ: 26.05.2004 07:36 |
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Âîò ÿ ñàì äåëàë ôîòêè. Íàñòîÿùèå äàò÷èêè Áèëëà Ñòàðûé, êîíöà 70-õ ãîäîâ http://www.espguitars.ru/victhor/bl/blold.jpg http://www.espguitars.ru/victhor/bl/bloldback.jpg ñîâðåìåííûé íàñòîÿùèé Bill Lawrence L-500XL, ñäåëàííûé Áèëëîì â äåêàáðå 2002 ãîäà http://www.espguitars.ru/victhor/bl/blnew.jpg http://www.espguitars.ru/victhor/bl/blnewback.jpg Ñîâðåìåííûå ïîääåëêè http://www.espguitars.ru/victhor/bl/blfake.jpg http://www.espguitars.ru/victhor/bl/blfakeback.jpg óïàêîâêà ïîääåëîê http://www.espguitars.ru/victhor/bl/packs.jpg |
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Òåìà: Re: Çâóêîñíèìàòåëè Bill Lawrence
Âðåìÿ: 26.05.2004 07:49 |
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Âîò èñòîðèÿ Bill Lawrence, åñëè êîìó èíòåðåñíî.  1965 ãîäó Bill Lawrence, Nathan Grossman è Jzchak Wajcman îáðàçîâàëè êîìïàíèþ Lawrence Electrosounds â Ìþíõåíå, â Ãåðìàíèè. Êîìïàíèÿ äåëàëà çâóêîñíèìàòåëè äëÿ ïðîèçâîäèòåëåé ãèòàð. Âñå çâóêîñíèìàòåëè áûëè ðàçðàáîòàíû Áèëëîì åùå äî îáðàçîâàíèÿ ýòîé êîìïàíèè.  1966 ãîäó Nathan Grossman ïîêèäàåò êîìïàíèþ, ïðîäàâ âñå ñâîè àêöèè Jzchak Wajcman, êîòîðûé ñòàíîâèòñÿ âëàäåëüöåì áîëüøåé ÷àñòè àêòèâîâ, è ñîîòâåòñòâåííî âëàäåëüöåì êîìïàíèè.  1970 ãîäó Jzchak Wajcman çàêðûâàåò êîìïàíèþ è ðàñïðîäàåò îáîðóäîâàíèå, ïîñëå ÷åãî ïåðååçæàåò â Èçðàèëü. Bill Lawrence ïåðååçæàåò â ÑØÀ. Îíè íå âñòðå÷àëèñü äî 1982 ãîäà. Ñ 1970 ãîäà Bill Lawrence æèâåò â Íüþ-Éîðêå, ñ 72 ãîäà ïðîåêòèðóåò çâóêîñíèìàòåëè äëÿ Gibson.  1975 ãîäó Bill Lawrence ñî ñâîèì äðóãîì Don Redmon îòêðûâàåò êîìïàíèþ Lawrence Sound Research, Inc (LSR) â Íýøâèëëå (Òåííåñè).  1978 ãîäó Bill Lawrence êóïèë äîëþ Don Redmon, è ñòàë åäèíñòâåííûì âëàäåëüöåì êîìïàíèè.  1982 ãîäó Bill Lawrence íà÷èíàåò ñîòðóäíè÷àòü ñ On-Site-Music - êðóïíåéøèì â òî âðåìÿ äèñòðèáüþòåðîì ìóçûêàëüíîãî îáîðóäîâàíèÿ â ÑØÀ, ïîäïèñûâàÿ ñ íèìè êîíòðàêò. Èç-çà íåòî÷íîñòåé êîíòðàêòà On-Site-Music íà÷èíàåò âûïóñêàòü ãèòàðû ïîä íàçâàíèåì Bill Lawrence, õîòÿ ñàì Áèëë êàòåãîðè÷åñêè ïðîòèâ, íî íè÷åãî íå ñìîã ñäåëàòü èç-çà óñëîâèé êîíòðàêòà. Äåíåã ñ ýòîãî îí íå ïîëó÷àë.  ýòî æå âðåìÿ Jzchak Wajcman ïðèåçæàåò â ÑØÀ, ïîñëå òîãî êàê ïðîãîðåë â Èçðàèëå ñî ñâîèì áèçíåñîì ïî ïðîäàæå îäåæäû. Îí âñòðåòèëñÿ ñ Áèëëîì, îíè ñíîâà äîãîâîðèëèñü î ïàðòíåðñòâå è âìåñòå ïûòàëèñü ðàçîðâàòü êîíòðàêò ñ On-Site-Music. Îíè âûèãðàëè èñêè ïðîòèâ On-Site-Music, è îðãàíèçîâàëè âòîðóþ êîìïàíèþ - The Lawrence Connection (TLC) â Êàëèôîðíèè. Bill Lawrence áûë ïðåçèäåíòîì îáîèõ êîìïàíèé è óïðàâëÿë ïðîèçâîäñòâîì, à Jzchak Wajcman óïðàâëÿë ïðîäàæàìè.  1983-84 ãîäàõ íà íèõ ïîäàåò â ñóä On-Site-Music è ïûòàåòñÿ ðàçîðèòü èõ.  ýòîò ìîìåíò ó Áèëëà óìèðàåò îòåö â Ãåðìàíèè, è îí óåçæàåò ïîìî÷ü ìàòåðè. Âûáðàâ ìîìåíò, Jzchak Wajcman ïûòàåñÿ çàðåãèñòðèðîâàòü êîìïàíèè íà ñåáÿ, íî åìó íå óäàåòñÿ ýòî ñäåëàòü, è îí äåëàåò íîâóþ êîìïàíèþ - Degalim Inc, ïîñëå ÷åãî ïåðåâîäèò áîëüøóþ ÷àñòü äåíåã The Lawrence Connection è Lawrence Sound Research ñåáå, òàê êàê èìååò ê íèì äîñòóï êàê ïàðòíåð Áèëëà. On-Site-Music ïðîäîëæàåò ñóäèòüñÿ ñ Bill Lawrence è îòñóæèâàåò ñåáå îñòàâøèåñÿ äåíüãè, à ñàì Áèëë íàõîäèòñÿ â Ãåðìàíèè áåç äåíåã âîîáùå, è â ýòîò ìîìåíò Jzchak Wajcman îòêàçûâàåòñÿ ïîìîãàòü åìó. Ó Áèëëà íå áûëî âîçìîæíîñòè âåðíóòüñÿ â ÑØÀ èç-çà èñêîâ On-Site-Music è èç-çà óêðàäåííûõ äåíåã.  ýòî âðåìÿ Jzchak Wajcman íà÷èíàåò äåëàòü â ÑØÀ çâóêîñíèìàòåëè è ãèòàðû ñ íàçâàíèåì Bill Lawrence, ïðèñâîèâ ñåáå êîìïàíèþ Lawrence Sound Research, Inc (LSR)  1987 ãîäó Áèëë Ëîóðåíñ âîçâðàùàåòñÿ â Àìåðèêó, êîãäà On-Site-Music îáàíêðîòèëàñü è èñ÷åçëà, à âñå ñ÷åòà Áèëëà áûëè âîññòàíîâëåíû. Îí íà÷èíàåò ñíîâà ðàáîòàòü ñ Gibson.  1991 ãîäó îí âñòðåòèë æåíùèíó ïî èìåíè Becky, îíè ïîæåíèëèñü è îòêðûëè íåáîëüøóþ ñåìåéíóþ êîìïàíèþ ïî ïðîèçâîäòñâó çâóêîñíèìàòåëåé, ïûòàÿñü âîññòàíîâèòü çàïÿòíàííîå èìÿ Bill Lawrenece. Ýòà êîìïàíèÿ è ðàáîòàåò äî ñèõ ïîð. Ñ òåõ ïîð, è äî ñåãîäíÿøíåãî âðåìåíè Jzchak Wajcman äåëàåò è ïðîäàåò çâóêîñíèìàòåëè ïîä íàçâàíèåì Bill Lawrence, ïî áóìàãàì èìåÿ ïðàâî íà ýòî íàçâàíèå. Âñå åãî çâóêîñíèìàòåëè ñåé÷àñ ñòîÿò 24$ çà øòóêó, à äëÿ êðóïíûõ äèëåðîâ òèïà Steward MacDonald åùå äåøåâëå. StewMac ïðîäàåò ýòè çâóêîñíèìàòåëè ñ íàçâàíèÿìè, ïîõîæèìè íà íàñòîÿùèå Bill Lawrence òèïà L-500XL è ò.ä. Ýòè íàçâàíèÿ è ìàðêè áûëè ïðèäóìàíû Áèëëîì åùå â êîíöå 70-õ è íà÷àëå 80-õ ãîäîâ. Jzchak Wajcman çàðåãèñòðèðîâàë íåñêîëüêî êîìïàíèé ñ íàçâàíèÿìè òèïà Bill Lawrence Guitar Pickup Co, Bill Lawrence Products, Bill Lawrence Pickups, Bill Lawrence Company California USA, Lawrence Sound Research, Inc., Bill Lawrence Products, Inc.  äåéñòâèòåëüíîñòè òàêèõ êîìïàíèé ñ ó÷àñòèåì Áèëëà íèêîãäà íå áûëî, ëèáî îíè áûëè, íî äàâíî óæå çàêðûòû Áèëëîì (íàïðèìåð Lawrence Sound Research) Ñåé÷àñ Bill Lawrence èìååò äâå êîìïàíèè - William Lawrence Design Corporation, îòêðûòóþ â 1994 è Bill Lawrence Guitar Co, LLC, îòêðûòóþ â 1997. Îáå êîìïàíèè íàõîäÿòñÿ â Ïåíñèëüâàíèè. Áèëë íå èìååò ñåé÷àñ íè âîçìîæíîñòè íè æåëàíèÿ ñóäèòüñÿ, ïîñêîëüêó óæå ìíîãî ðàç îáæèãàëñÿ íà ýòîì. Îí íàäååòñÿ, ÷òî ëþäè ñàìè ðàçáåðóòüñÿ êòî ïðàâ, à êòî âèíîâàò. |
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Òåìà: Re: Çâóêîñíèìàòåëè Bill Lawrence
Âðåìÿ: 26.05.2004 08:28 |
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Íàñ÷åò êðàñíîé îïëåòêè - êîãäà âñå ïðîâîäà ñîáðàíû â êðàñíóþ îïëåòêó - ýòî ïîääåëêà. ß ýòî èìåë ââèäó. Îòäåëüíû ïðîâîäà ðàçíûõ öâåòîâ, â òîì ÷èñëå îäèí êðàñíîãî - ýòî íîðìàëüíî. | |
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Òåìà: Re: Çâóêîñíèìàòåëè Bill Lawrence
Âðåìÿ: 26.05.2004 13:21 |
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áîëüøîå òåáå ñïàñèáî çà òàêîé ïîäðîáíûé îòâåò!!! | |
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Òåìà: Re: Çâóêîñíèìàòåëè Bill Lawrence
Âðåìÿ: 26.05.2004 17:32 |
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2 Vic Thor: Äà, òîæå áëàãîäàðþ. À âñå-òàêè, ÷òî ñêàæåøü ïðî SD Dimebucker? Ñòîèò îí ñâîèõ äåíåã (113$, êàæåòñÿ...) |
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Òåìà: Re: Çâóêîñíèìàòåëè Bill Lawrence
Âðåìÿ: 26.05.2004 17:54 |
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Íàñ÷åò ñòîèò èëè íå ñòîèò ñêàçàòü ñëîæíî, ìíå êàæåòñÿ ÷òî äîðîãîâàòî, äàæå íå ïîòîìó ÷òî îí ïëîõîé, à âîîáùå äàò÷èê òàê äîðîãî íå äîëæåí ñòîèòü... À íàñ÷åò çâó÷àíèÿ, êîìó-òî íðàâèòñÿ, êîìó-òî íå îñîáî, íàñêîëüêî ÿ åãî ñëûøàë, îí çâó÷èò õóæå ÷åì Bill Lawrence, ÿâíî äî íåãî íå äîòÿãèâàåò. Íî ñàì ïî ñåáå âïîëíå íåïëîõ. |
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Òåìà: Re: Çâóêîñíèìàòåëè Bill Lawrence
Âðåìÿ: 26.05.2004 21:57 |
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2 Vic Thor: À ÷òî òîãäà ïîñîâåòóåøü â áðèäæ íà îëüõîâûé Jackson äëÿ ìåòàëëà? |
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Òåìà: Re: Çâóêîñíèìàòåëè Bill Lawrence
Âðåìÿ: 27.05.2004 23:05 |
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eugene-b Èç ñåéìóðîâ âîáùåì è Äàéìáàêåð íåïëîõîé âàðèàíò, íî ÿ áû îáðàòèë âíèìàíèå íà Duncan Distortion èëè Jeff Beck, åñëè ïîëåã÷å. Âîîáùå äóìàþ Duncan Distortion ïîäîéäåò ëó÷øå âñåãî. |
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Òåìà: Re: Çâóêîñíèìàòåëè Bill Lawrence
Âðåìÿ: 31.05.2004 01:53 |
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à âîò ìîé ïðèÿòåëü âçÿë äà è âûäðàë èç àìåðñêîãî êàñòîìîâîãî ñîëîèñòà áèëë ëîðåíñ, ïîñòàâèë çàóðÿäíóþ äèìàðçèþ ïàô ïðî........è î÷åíü, íàäî ñêàçàòü, äîâîëåí òàêîé çàìåíîé))) | |
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Òåìà: Re: Çâóêîñíèìàòåëè Bill Lawrence
Âðåìÿ: 27.07.2005 00:50 |
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Kerry King
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Îôèãåííî! ìîè ,êàê ÿ óæå äîãàäûâàþñü "billlawrence",ïî ôîòêàì íå ïîäõîäÿò íè ïîä îäèí íè ïîä âòîðîé âàðèàíò,äàæå êîðîáêà ó íèõ êàêàÿ òî äðóãàÿ...×å äåëàòü  ???ñïàñàéòå...
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Òåìà: Re: Çâóêîñíèìàòåëè Bill Lawrence
Âðåìÿ: 27.07.2005 15:05 |
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PRS McCarty '97 ★ ★ ★ 
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âñå ïîäõîäèò, ÷å òû ïàíèêóåøü. Îáû÷íûå çâó÷êè, ñòàíäàðòíûõ ðàçìåðîâ. | |
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Òåìà: Re: Çâóêîñíèìàòåëè Bill Lawrence
Âðåìÿ: 27.07.2005 21:59 |
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Åñòü â çëàòîãëàâîé ëþäè, êîòîðû ìîãóò ïîìî÷ü íàéòè íàñòîÿùèå ëîðåíñû... | |
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Òåìà: Re: Çâóêîñíèìàòåëè Bill Lawrence
Âðåìÿ: 27.07.2005 23:02 |
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PRS McCarty '97 ★ ★ ★
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ß îäèí èç íèõ 
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Òåìà: Re: Çâóêîñíèìàòåëè Bill Lawrence
Âðåìÿ: 27.07.2005 23:04 |
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"Îôèãåííî! ìîè ,êàê ÿ óæå äîãàäûâàþñü "billlawrence",ïî ôîòêàì íå ïîäõîäÿò íè ïîä îäèí íè ïîä âòîðîé âàðèàíò,äàæå êîðîáêà ó íèõ êàêàÿ òî äðóãàÿ...×å äåëàòü ???ñïàñàéòå..." çâó÷êè ôòîïêó, à äàëüøå ñëåäóé èíñòðóêöèÿì, ïîëó÷åííûì îò Ãóðó Ôîðóìà... |
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Òåìà: Re: Çâóêîñíèìàòåëè Bill Lawrence
Âðåìÿ: 27.07.2005 23:20 |
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PRS McCarty '97 ★ ★ ★
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Íó .. çâó÷êè íà ñàì äåëå, íà ëþáèòåëÿ ... È íàäî âåäü áûëî ïîäíèìàòü ñòîëü äðåâíþþ òåìó, à .. ýòî âåäü, åùå 2004 ãîäîì äàòèðîâàíî.. Ñîâåòóþ èñêàòü ÷å-íèòü ïî-ïðîùå, è íå ïàðèòüñÿ. |
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