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Òåìà: Äàò÷èêè ãèáñîí
Âðåìÿ: 23.10.2019 23:38 



Óâàæàåìûå êàê äóìàåòå,èëè çíàåòå ïî îïûòó ñâîåìó èëè äðóçåé
Ðåàëüíî ëè ñòîêîâûå äàò÷èêè Ãèáñîí ïîñëåäíèõ ãîäîâ èçãîòîâëåíèÿ,îòëè÷àþòñÿ â õóäøóþ ñòîðîíó îò äàò÷èêîâ äî 2008 ãîäà? (Íå ñïðàøèâàþ ïðî äàò÷è ñ ïëàñòìàññîâûìè êðûøêàìè)
Èëè ýòî âñå ÷óøü!!!!???
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Òåìà: Re: Äàò÷èêè ãèáñîí
Âðåìÿ: 24.10.2019 00:26 
The
Fuzz

Ñîâðåìåííûå îòëè÷àþòñÿ â õóäøóþ ïî ñðàâíåíèþ ñ 90-ìè- íà÷àëî 2000-õ. Èìåë, ñðàâíèâàë, ðàçáèðàë. Ðàñïèñûâàòü ëåíü è íå õî÷ó. Âåðèòü èëè íåò äåëî ñóãóáî ëè÷íîå.
The RAT.The last fuzz you will ever need!
No amount of talk on a forum will give you as much information as 10 seconds plugged in.
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Òåìà: Re: Äàò÷èêè ãèáñîí
Âðåìÿ: 24.10.2019 00:27 
The
Fuzz

Óòî÷íÿþ, ðå÷ü âåäó î ñåòå 490-498. 57-å íèêîãäà íå èíòåðåñîâàëè.
The RAT.The last fuzz you will ever need!
No amount of talk on a forum will give you as much information as 10 seconds plugged in.
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Òåìà: Re: Äàò÷èêè ãèáñîí
Âðåìÿ: 24.10.2019 01:21 



:4:
ïî èäåå - ÷óøü.. äàâíûì-äàâíî íàìîòêà èä¸ò íà ïðåöèçèîííûõ ñòàíêàõ ñ òî÷íîñòüþ äî âèòêà.. îñòà¸òñÿ êà÷-âî ìàãíèòîââîäîâ (Gibson èõ âñåãäà äåëàë ñàì) è ïðî÷àÿ "ìåëî÷¸âêà" (êàòóøêè, íèæíÿÿ ïëàñòèíà è ò.ï. è ò.ä.).. âñå äàò÷èêè äî "Íîðëèíà" è î÷ ìíîãèå "íîðëèíîâñêèå" - äà, ëîòåðåÿ.. íåêîòîðûå (? áàðûãè ?) òîïÿò èìåííî çà T-Tops, PAF Pat. No. è ò.ï.. äàò÷èêè èç 90-ûõ è 2k - îòëè÷èé íå áûëî (åñëè ìîäåëü îäèíàêîâà).. ñêîðåå ìîìåíò, ÷òî ïîñëåäíèå ãîäû äî íåäàâíåãî áàíêðîòñòâà Gibson â öåëîì êà÷-âîì íå ðàäîâàë.. ïëþñ äàò÷èêè (ñ ïëàñòèêîì) íà LPJ è ïðî÷èå áþäæåòêè.. ïëþñ â öåëîì - overpriced over 9000.. ïëþñ èõ "ðîäíûå" ïîòû - ãoâío è ïðî÷èå "ïðåëåñòè" original Gibson quality.. :svin:

ñöûëêî:
https://www.pafhumbucker.com/
https://musicalilluminism.wordpress.com/2009/04/28 /vintage-gibson-humbucker-spec...al-pickup-tech/

>Ñîâðåìåííûå îòëè÷àþòñÿ â õóäøóþ ïî ñðàâíåíèþ ñ 90-ìè- íà÷àëî 2000-õ. Èìåë, ñðàâíèâàë, ðàçáèðàë. Ðàñïèñûâàòü ëåíü è íå õî÷ó. Âåðèòü èëè íåò äåëî ñóãóáî ëè÷íîå.
>Óòî÷íÿþ, ðå÷ü âåäó î ñåòå 490-498.
:4:
âñÿ ñóòü.. ÎÁÑ.. íè âíÿòíî îïèñàíèÿ "ïðîáëåìû", íè ñ ÷åì èìåííî ñðàâíèâàë, íè ñïåêîâ.. íî "Ñîâðåìåííûå îòëè÷àþòñÿ â õóäøóþ"©™ :appl:
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Òåìà: Re: Äàò÷èêè ãèáñîí
Âðåìÿ: 24.10.2019 06:08 



>Óòî÷íÿþ, ðå÷ü âåäó î ñåòå 490-498. 57-å íèêîãäà íå èíòåðåñîâàëè.
Âîò êàê ðàç íåäàâíî èìåííî ñòàâèë òàêîé ñýò ñðàâíèòåëüíî ñòàðûé - è ñýò 2017 ãîäà. Îáà â êðûøêàõ.
Íà îäíó è òó æå ãèòàðó . Ïîèãðàë ìåëüêîì - ðàçíèöû îñîáî íå óñëûøàë .âòîðîé ñýò ðàçâå ÷òî áûë ÷óòîê áîëåå îòêðûòûé ïî çâóêó,âåðõàñòåå.
À âîïðîñ òàêîé çàäàë - ïîòîìó ÷òî íàâåëè íà íåãî . Ðåøèë ìàõíóòüñÿ - à äÿäÿ ãîâîðèò,"ñýò 'ìîë ,"òâîé êàêàøêà".
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Òåìà: Re: Äàò÷èêè ãèáñîí
Âðåìÿ: 24.10.2019 07:29 



Äà, ïîíÿòíî, ÷òî îòëè÷àåòñÿ âñ¸. Íàñêîëüêî ýòî îòñòðî?  äàííîì ñëó÷àå. Äóìàþ ïðîñòî äÿäÿ òîò åù¸
Ïðîäàâàë ãèòàðó. Íåäàâíî. ×åë ñèñüêå ìÿë. Ìÿë ìÿë.  èòîãå ñáèë öåíó òûñÿ÷ íà ïÿòü. À ÿ åìó òàêîé, äà? Âîò, òàê âîò? Íó, çàáèðàé ÷¸. Îáûãðàéñÿ.  èòîãå âûïèñàë ìíå âîñòîðæåííûé îòçûâ ñìñêè êàêîå-òî øë¸ò. Êàêàÿ îíà îêàçàëàñü êëàññíàÿ è êàê îí âñ¸ çàáðîñèë è òîëüêî íà íåé èãðàåò. Ìàìà ðîäíàÿ. Òàêèå âîò îíè. Äÿäè ýòè
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Òåìà: Re: Äàò÷èêè ãèáñîí
Âðåìÿ: 24.10.2019 07:51 

Go Ahead! Drink with the Living Dead!

Êîíå÷íî, õóæå. À âñå ïîòîìó, ÷òî ðàíüøå áûëè âðåìåíà, à òåïåðü ìãíîâåíèÿ. Ðàíüøå ïîäûìàëñÿ õðåí, à òåïåðü äàâëåíèå.
Ñòàðûå ìîñòû ìîãóò åùå ïðèãîäèòüñÿ. Ëó÷øå ñæå÷ü ñòàðûå ãðàáëè.
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Òåìà: Re: Äàò÷èêè ãèáñîí
Âðåìÿ: 24.10.2019 10:47 

GIBSONs,Fenders, Squier, Ovation, Epi >Fenders, VOX, Mesa

Åñëè î÷ ãíàòü ïî êà÷åñòâó äàò÷åé ïî ñåðèéêå, òî íàäî ëèáî áðàòü áóòèê, ëèáî ñòàðûå, ëèáî ìîäèòü èìåþùèåñÿ. Åñëè íå ãíàòü, òî ìîæíî èãðàòü íà íîâîäåëå. Íå ñêàæó çà ñîâñåì ñâåæàê, íî äî 15 ãîäà âïîëíå âìåíÿåìûå. Ñêàæåì íàñòðîéêà äàò÷à è äðóãèå ñòðóíû äàäóò áîëüøå ðàçíèöû íåæåëè äàò÷ íà÷àëà 200õ è 2013-15. Îñíîâíÿê - ìàãíèòû ñòàëè ïîìîùíåé, ñáîðêà ïîãðóáåé è ïî ìåëî÷àì òàì. ñêàæåì âîïðîñ åñëè åñòü ðóêè íà ïàðó âå÷åðîâ.
âòîðîé ìîìåíò åñëè âåñëî êðóòîå, ñ íèì íè÷åãî äåëàòü íå íàäî, õîòü íîâîäåë, õîòü 20 ëåòíåå. ñëàáåíüêîìó âåñëó ïîìîãàåò ïîñòàâèòü äàò÷èêè ïîëó÷øå, æåëåçî, îòñòðîèòü. à íà íîðìàñíîì íè÷åãî íå ìåíÿåòñÿ îñîáî. ïðîñòî äàæå âðåäíî èíîãäà
Âñå èìåòü-åùå íå ñ÷àñòüå,ñ÷àñòüå íè â ÷åì íå íóæäàòüñÿ.
- Ó ìîåãî ãèòàðíîãî óñèëêà "ãðîìêîñòü" èìååò 2 ïîëîæåíèÿ: âûêëþ÷åíî è ó÷àñòêîâûé.(ñ)
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Òåìà: Re: Äàò÷èêè ãèáñîí
Âðåìÿ: 24.10.2019 10:53 
Ìîñêâà


íîâûå äåëàþòñÿ èç ãîâíà è ïàëîê êèòàéñêèìè ìàëü÷èêàìè, ñòàðûå ðàçìàãíè÷èâàþòñÿ è ãíèþò. Íåò è æèçíè ñ÷àñòüÿ
Gibson EB bass/Gibson LP Std
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Òåìà: Re: Äàò÷èêè ãèáñîí
Âðåìÿ: 24.10.2019 12:43 



>âòîðîé ìîìåíò åñëè âåñëî êðóòîå, ñ íèì íè÷åãî äåëàòü íå íàäî, õîòü íîâîäåë, õîòü 20 ëåòíåå. ñëàáåíüêîìó âåñëó ïîìîãàåò ïîñòàâèòü äàò÷èêè ïîëó÷øå, æåëåçî, îòñòðîèòü. à íà íîðìàñíîì íè÷åãî íå ìåíÿåòñÿ îñîáî. ïðîñòî äàæå âðåäíî èíîãäà
:sla:
òóò ãëàâíîå - íå çàáûâàòü, ÷òî öåíà "ëîïàòû" ïîðîé íèêàê íå êîððåëèðóåò ñ å¸ "êðóòèçíîé"..

âáðîøó åù¸ ïàðó öèòàò ñ TGP (îò Marcus71):

JimmyR said: I used to be a serial pickup changer. But since getting into building amps, experimenting with speakers, and using all sorts of different types of overdrive I have found that swapping pickups is one of the least effective ways of changing your tone.

YES!!! Thank you for writing this. This is spot on.


If you think you can grab Angus Young's guitar from him and sound like him, you're delusional. I once saw a very famous guitar player, who has a famous tone millions have spent trying to copy, playing a $300 guitar through a $200 amp. And he sounded pretty much the same. :bonk: :4:

You can either keep chasing the dragon or learn how to play better. Spend more time with your hands on the guitar and less time reading crap on the internet and you might get somewhere. :D

I am so glad that I am old enough to have come of guitar playing age before the damn internet. We didn't have tabs for everything. We learned by ear and played it until it sounded right. :crazyguyAnd we didn't have all this stuff to read and sift through. True story, but I didn't play through a tube amp until I was playing for like 10 years. When I was in high school we guitar players never sat around talking **** about tone. We taught each other Van Halen licks on our cheap-ass guitars while playing through our crappy solid state Peavy amps with no pedals. Cut your teeth that way and you learn how to really appreciate quality gear when you come across it.

Bashing all of this really nice, high-end stuff is douchy at best. Be happy with what you have because there's too many people more into the guitar than you are, playing crap through **** and loving every minute of it.
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Òåìà: Re: Äàò÷èêè ãèáñîí
Âðåìÿ: 24.10.2019 12:51 
Ìîñêâà
Ãèòàðíûé ìàñòåðÚ

Äà, íîâîäåëû óæå òàê íå çâó÷àò. Óæ à óáîæåñêèå íà âñÿêèõ SGJ , LPJ è ïîäàâíî
Ðåìîíò è ïîñòðîéêà êàñòîì ãèòàð/áàñîâ, Îòñòðîéêà, Ëàäû, Ïàÿþ, Ýêðàíèðóþ,
https://vk.com/msgtrs
guitplayer@ya.ru
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Òåìà: Re: Äàò÷èêè ãèáñîí
Âðåìÿ: 28.10.2019 13:15 

GIBSONs,Fenders, Squier, Ovation, Epi >Fenders, VOX, Mesa

>òóò ãëàâíîå - íå çàáûâàòü, ÷òî öåíà "ëîïàòû" ïîðîé íèêàê íå êîððåëèðóåò ñ å¸ "êðóòèçíîé"..
ÿ ïðèíèìàþ ðàçóìåþùèìñÿ ÷òî óðîâåíü è öåíà â ðàçóìíûõ ïðåäåëàõ.

ïî ñàáæó ÿ ëè÷íî êîãäà ïîêóïàþ èëè âûáèðàþ ãèòàðó ( èç íåñêîëüêèõ îñîáåííî) òî ñëóøàþ êàê çâó÷èò êîðïóñ àíïëàããåä. îñòàëüíîå äåëî íàæèâíîå. íèêòî íå ìåøàåò êóïèòü ãèòàðó, è ïðîäàòü ñðàçó ñòîêîâûå äàò÷è è äîáèâ íåìíîãî ïîñòàâèòü ÷òî õî÷åøü.

áûâàåò è òàêàÿ ðæàêà
ÿ ïîìíþ êàê òî êóïèë âåñëî è ïîïðîñèë ñðàçó â êåéñ êèíóòü ïàíåëü ñ êðóòåéøèìè äàò÷àìè. âåñëî ïðèåõàëî, ÿ ñðàçó ïàÿëüíèê ïîñòàâèë ãðåòüñÿ. íó è ðåøèë ýòè òðè ìèíóòêè ïîáðåí÷àòü ïîêà â ñòîêå ÷òîá íå ñêó÷àòü. æåíà çàõîäèò - ÷òî òàêîå ëèöî? êóïèë ôèãîâóþ ãèòàðó? ÿ æå òåáå ñêàçàëà - äàâàé ÿ òåáå äîáüþ 500 áàêñîâ äî òîãî êàñòîìà! à ÿ òàêîé - äà ÿ íå ïîéìó- â ñòîêå çâó÷èò ïðîñòî îòðûâ áàøêè. â ðåçóëüòàòå äîñòàë åùå ïàðó âåñåë, ïîïðîáîâàë ïîïåðåêèäûâàë äàò÷è è òàê è îñòàâèë íîâóþ ãèòàðó ñòîêîâîé. ïðîñòî îêàçàëîñü íè÷åãî íå íàäî, îíà çâó÷èò ñ ëþáûìè äàò÷àìè îòëè÷íî. à êðóòûå äàò÷è ïîåõàëè íà ðåïåòèöèîííóþ ãèòàðó.
Âñå èìåòü-åùå íå ñ÷àñòüå,ñ÷àñòüå íè â ÷åì íå íóæäàòüñÿ.
- Ó ìîåãî ãèòàðíîãî óñèëêà "ãðîìêîñòü" èìååò 2 ïîëîæåíèÿ: âûêëþ÷åíî è ó÷àñòêîâûé.(ñ)
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Òåìà: Re: Äàò÷èêè ãèáñîí
Âðåìÿ: 28.10.2019 19:30 
ìîñêâà
áåðåçîâàÿ êîðà

struck , ëþáîé òîâàð â ëþáîé îáëàñòè ñ êàæäûì äíåì òåðÿåò êà÷åñòâî - äåëàåòñÿ ýòî äëÿ òîãî - ÷òîáû ÷òî òî êóøàòü òåì êòî äåëàåò ýòîò òîâàð ïî ñóòè - è âàùå ëþáîé òîâàð â íàøå âðåìÿ - ñóòü ëîòåðåÿ îñîáåííî áðåíäîâûå!
ÓÕÎ ÃÎÐËÎ ÍÎÑ
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Òåìà: Re: Äàò÷èêè ãèáñîí
Âðåìÿ: 28.10.2019 20:58 



Êàê áû òàì íå èçìåíÿëîñü âñå ê õóäøåìó, íà ìîé âçãëÿä âñ¸ ðàâíî Ãèáñîí â ñòîêå ñòàâèò îäíè èç ñàìûõ íîðìàëüíûõ äàò÷èêîâ. Íó òàê â ñðåäíåì ïî ïàëàòå åñëè áðàòü ïî ïðîèçâîäèòåëÿì. Ïî÷åìó òî èõ íå îñîáî òÿíåò ìåíÿòü è ò.ï.
 ýòîò ôîðóì ìîãóò ïèñàòü òîëüêî çàðåãèñòðèðîâàííûå ïîëüçîâàòåëè!