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Òåìà: Edwards E-LP92SD
Âðåìÿ: 29.11.2010 20:20 |
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Êòî ÷òî ìîæåò ñêàçàòü ïðî ýòó ãèòàðêó? Êòî-íèòü þçàë? Ïèøóò,÷òî èõ òåïåðü îôèöèàëüíî ïîñòàâëÿåò â Ðîññèþ ôèðìà "Àâàëëîí". Êòî ñòàëêèâàëñÿ -ïèøèòå |
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Òåìà: Re: Edwards E-LP92SD
Âðåìÿ: 29.11.2010 20:23 |
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✯ BLACK ✯ STRAT'S |
Øîðîøåå êà÷åñòâî ñáîðêè | |
No Pain, More Gain
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Àâòîð |
Òåìà: Re: Edwards E-LP92SD
Âðåìÿ: 29.11.2010 20:32 |
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Êèðîâñê Greco WP550, ESP Edipse Custom Shop |
Îòëè÷íàÿ ãèòàðà | |
ìîíèòîð ó ìåíÿ çàïîòåâàë ñî ñòîðîíû èíåòà (ñ) time
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Àâòîð |
Òåìà: Re: Edwards E-LP92SD
Âðåìÿ: 29.11.2010 20:37 |
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Bite my shiny metal A$$ |
âåëèêîëåïíûé èíñòðóìåíò | |
Shiftuya shit
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Àâòîð |
Òåìà: Re: Edwards E-LP92SD
Âðåìÿ: 29.11.2010 20:43 |
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spb suhr+axefx+adam ♫ |
çàìå÷àòåëüíî èìÿ äëÿ ãèòàðû | |
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Àâòîð |
Òåìà: Re: Edwards E-LP92SD
Âðåìÿ: 29.11.2010 20:47 |
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Ìîñêâà |
åäâàðäñ âûïèëèâàþò â êåòàå, à ñîáèðàþò èí æàïàí | |
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Òåìà: Re: Edwards E-LP92SD
Âðåìÿ: 29.11.2010 20:58 |
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Fender RK Stratocaster/Fender Am Strat Plus/Lepsky Custom/Strand |
>åäâàðäñ âûïèëèâàþò â êåòàå, à ñîáèðàþò èí æàïàí èíôà 100%? |
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Òåìà: Re: Edwards E-LP92SD
Âðåìÿ: 29.11.2010 21:43 |
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ãèòàðà made in Nippon, Gneco Jazz Bass è êèòàéñêèé Zoom G2 |
>âåëèêîëåïíûé èíñòðóìåíò |
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Òåìà: Re: Edwards E-LP92SD
Âðåìÿ: 29.11.2010 23:58 |
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Ñïá Êîðåéñêåé ËýÒýÄý ÌÍ-1000 |
Íå ïîêóïàé â Àâàëëîíå. Êóïè ñ èáåÿ. | |
Êîãäà ïûòàåøüñÿ ñìîòðåòü íà âåùè òðåçâî, íåâîëüíî âîçíèêàåò æåëàíèå âûïèòü. (ñ) Âåëèêèé ÂÖ
Åñòü òàêàÿ ïðîôåññèÿ - ñåáÿ îò Ðîäèíû çàùèùàòü.. (c) Zoebeast. Russian grind z-squad. |
Àâòîð |
Òåìà: Re: Edwards E-LP92SD
Âðåìÿ: 30.11.2010 00:06 |
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Êèðîâñê Greco WP550, ESP Edipse Custom Shop |
>>åäâàðäñ âûïèëèâàþò â êåòàå, à ñîáèðàþò èí æàïàí Ýäâàðäñ ìíå çàïèëè!!! Â Êèòàå, #####, çàïèëè!!! |
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ìîíèòîð ó ìåíÿ çàïîòåâàë ñî ñòîðîíû èíåòà (ñ) time
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Àâòîð |
Òåìà: Re: Edwards E-LP92SD
Âðåìÿ: 30.11.2010 12:45 |
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áèëåò íà áàëåò |
>åäâàðäñ âûïèëèâàþò â êåòàå, à ñîáèðàþò èí æàïàí >èíôà 100%? |
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Rock-n-Roll ýòî æìóðü
ß òâîðþ íåìîòèâèðîâàííûå àêòû êðàñîòû Õåíäðèêñ ñäîõ à Êèðêîðîâ æèâ. Ïåë Ïðåñëè ñòîíàë Ëåïñ.. È Êîáåéí â õîõëîìå. Òàêèå âîò òâîð÷åñêèå âå÷åðà â Ïèòåðå.  êâàðòèðå ñ Âèäîì íà Êàçàíñêèé. (ñ) Time |
Àâòîð |
Òåìà: Re: Edwards E-LP92SD
Âðåìÿ: 30.11.2010 13:03 |
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Ìîñêâà |
äàæå åñëè ýäâàðäñ âûïèëèâàþò â êèòàå, à ñîáèðàþò â æàïàíå êà÷åñòâî ó íèõ îäíî èç ëó÷øèõ ñðåäè èïîíöåô òåì áîëåå ÷òî åòîò Äåä Îòìîðîç äàâàë ññûëêó, ãäå Òàíàêà ãîâîðèë î áþäæåòíûõ ìîäåëÿõ ÅÑÏ è äî÷åðíèõ êîìïàíèé, äî÷åðíèè êîìïàíèè ýòî ýäâàðäñ è ãðàññ ðóòñ, ãðàññ ðóòñ íå ñêðûâàþò ÷òî îíè äåëàþòñÿ â "íå â ÿïîíèè", íàçâàòü ýäâàðäñ áþäæåòíîé ìîäåëüþ ÿçûê íå ïîâîðà÷èâàåòñÿ, èáî ðåêîìåíäîâàííàÿ ðîçíè÷íàÿ öåíà íà÷èíàåòñÿ ñ $1000. Ïðÿìûì òåêñòîì ñêàçàíî íå áûëî ïðî òî, ÷òî ýäâàðäñ ïèëÿò â êèòàå, à ñîáèðàþò â ÿïîíèè. È ãëàâíîå, ñëîâà Òàíàêè íóæíî âîñïðèíèìàòü êàê èñòèíó â ïîñëåäíåé èíñòàíöèè òîëüêî ïîòîìó ÷òî îí ÿïîíåö? Âûøå îçíà÷åííûé òîâàðèù Äåä, ñðåò â êàæäîé òåìå ïðî ýäâàðö, ìîë êèòàé èòï, îäíàêî åãî ñëîâàì ìû íå íàõîäèì ïðÿìîãî ïîäòâåðæäåíèÿ, áîëåå òîãî, åãî ñòàòóñ âñåçíàíèÿ íå äîõîäèò äî óðîâíÿ ìýòðîâ ýòîãî ôîðóìà, õîòÿ áû äî ìåíÿ | |
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Òåìà: Re: Edwards E-LP92SD
Âðåìÿ: 30.11.2010 13:04 |
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Ìîñêâà |
íèêîãî îáèäåòü íå õîòåë åñëè÷î | |
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Àâòîð |
Òåìà: Re: Edwards E-LP92SD
Âðåìÿ: 30.11.2010 13:28 |
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Ibanez USA Custom |
âåëèêîëåïíî ñîáðàííûå î÷åíü êà÷åñòâåííûå êðàñèâî âûãëÿäÿùèå è àáñîëþòíî íå çâó÷àùèå èíñòðóìåíòû | |
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Òåìà: Re: Edwards E-LP92SD
Âðåìÿ: 30.11.2010 13:38 |
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Ñïá Êîðåéñêåé ËýÒýÄý ÌÍ-1000 |
Ñêîëüêî íå çíàþ åäâàðäñîâîäîâ, âñå õâàëÿò. | |
Êîãäà ïûòàåøüñÿ ñìîòðåòü íà âåùè òðåçâî, íåâîëüíî âîçíèêàåò æåëàíèå âûïèòü. (ñ) Âåëèêèé ÂÖ
Åñòü òàêàÿ ïðîôåññèÿ - ñåáÿ îò Ðîäèíû çàùèùàòü.. (c) Zoebeast. Russian grind z-squad. |
Àâòîð |
Òåìà: Re: Edwards E-LP92SD
Âðåìÿ: 30.11.2010 13:39 |
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Ñïá Êîðåéñêåé ËýÒýÄý ÌÍ-1000 |
*íè çíàþ. | |
Êîãäà ïûòàåøüñÿ ñìîòðåòü íà âåùè òðåçâî, íåâîëüíî âîçíèêàåò æåëàíèå âûïèòü. (ñ) Âåëèêèé ÂÖ
Åñòü òàêàÿ ïðîôåññèÿ - ñåáÿ îò Ðîäèíû çàùèùàòü.. (c) Zoebeast. Russian grind z-squad. |
Àâòîð |
Òåìà: Re: Edwards E-LP92SD
Âðåìÿ: 30.11.2010 13:52 |
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äåðåâíÿ Ìîñêâà Schecter Hellraiser :7: string |
Íà ïîñëåäíåé Ìóçûêå-Ìîñêâà ïðîäàâåö íå äàë ìíå ïîèãðàòü íà Edwards LP CUSTOM. Îíè êðîìå Àâàëîíà ãäå-íèáóäü åùå ïðîäàþòñÿ? >Íå ïîêóïàé â Àâàëëîíå. Êóïè ñ èáåÿ. |
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Òåìà: Re: Edwards E-LP92SD
Âðåìÿ: 30.11.2010 14:02 |
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Ìîñêâà |
>âåëèêîëåïíî ñîáðàííûå î÷åíü êà÷åñòâåííûå êðàñèâî âûãëÿäÿùèå è àáñîëþòíî íå çâó÷àùèå èíñòðóìåíòû èãðàé äàëüøå íà ñâîåé øèôòóå >>Íå ïîêóïàé â Àâàëëîíå. Êóïè ñ èáåÿ. íàêóÿ èáåé, èõ ñ ðóê âàëîì ïðîäàþò + ó áàðûã ïîëâàãîíà |
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Òåìà: Re: Edwards E-LP92SD
Âðåìÿ: 30.11.2010 14:06 |
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äåðåâíÿ Ìîñêâà Schecter Hellraiser :7: string |
> >>>Íå ïîêóïàé â Àâàëëîíå. Êóïè ñ èáåÿ. >íàêóÿ èáåé, èõ ñ ðóê âàëîì ïðîäàþò + ó áàðûã ïîëâàãîíà Êàê âàðèàíò, íî íà å-áýå ìîæíî íîâûé, íåêîöàíûé íàéòè ( ýòî ñ äîñòàâêîé) íå íàìíîãî äîðîæå, ÷åì á/ó ó áàðûã |
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Òåìà: Re: Edwards E-LP92SD
Âðåìÿ: 30.11.2010 21:24 |
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Ìîñêâà |
> òåì áîëåå ÷òî åòîò Äåä Îòìîðîç äàâàë ññûëêó, ãäå Òàíàêà ãîâîðèë î áþäæåòíûõ ìîäåëÿõ ÅÑÏ è äî÷åðíèõ êîìïàíèé òàì êàê ðàç ðå÷ü èìåííî î Ýäâàðäñ øëà, Òàíàêó ïðÿìî ñïðîñèëè, ãäå èõ äåëàþò. óæ îí òî çíàåò, íàâåðíî. ÿìàõè òîæå â êèòàå äåëàþò, ÷òî ñ òîãî, åñëè íðàâÿòñÿ ãèòàðû |
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Òåìà: Re: Edwards E-LP92SD
Âðåìÿ: 30.11.2010 21:28 |
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Ìîñêâà |
âåðíåå äà, Òàíàêà ïðî äåðåâî íè÷åãî íå ãîâîðèë. èçâèíÿþñü, åñëè êîãî ââ¸ë â çàáëóæäåíèå. Òàíàêà ñêàçàë: Edwards= iponskii zbolka. No ni skorika zapchasti, deraet v kitai. |
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Òåìà: Re: Edwards E-LP92SD
Âðåìÿ: 30.11.2010 21:34 |
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✯ BLACK ✯ STRAT'S |
>No ni skorika zapchasti, deraet v kitai. |
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No Pain, More Gain
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Àâòîð |
Òåìà: Re: Edwards E-LP92SD
Âðåìÿ: 01.12.2010 02:37 |
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Ìîñêâà Íåðâû |
>http://infametr.ru/infa/5593518 Î, ÿ òàì äðóãóþ èíôó ïîìåðèë, ñàéò-òî ïðàâäèâûé |
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Òåìà: Re: Edwards E-LP92SD
Âðåìÿ: 01.12.2010 08:57 |
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Êîìó âåðèòü? |
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Àâòîð |
Òåìà: Re: Edwards E-LP92SD
Âðåìÿ: 01.12.2010 09:17 |
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Ìîñêâà |
>Êîìó âåðèòü? >Øîðîøåå êà÷åñòâî ñáîðêè |
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Òåìà: Re: Edwards E-LP92SD
Âðåìÿ: 01.12.2010 10:20 |
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Ìîñêâà |
>>No ni skorika zapchasti, deraet v kitai êîãäàæ îí censored íàó÷èöà òðàíñëèòîì ïèñàòü êàê íóæíî, à íå ñî ñâîèì èáó÷èì àêöåíòîì íåñêîëüêî çàï÷àñòåé äåëàåò êèòàé censored ïðîññûøü æå, ýò ìîãóò áûòü ïîòåíöèîìåòðû, ðó÷êè äëÿ êðóòèëîê ïîòöåâ, ëàäîâàÿ ïðîâîëêà, ðàìêè çâó÷êîâ, ôóðíèòóðà òàì ãîòîõ - æàïàí õç õç êàðî÷ |
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Òåìà: Re: Edwards E-LP92SD
Âðåìÿ: 01.12.2010 12:20 |
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Ibanez USA Custom |
>>âåëèêîëåïíî ñîáðàííûå î÷åíü êà÷åñòâåííûå êðàñèâî âûãëÿäÿùèå è àáñîëþòíî íå çâó÷àùèå èíñòðóìåíòû > >èãðàé äàëüøå íà ñâîåé øèôòóå > îê áåç ïðîáëåì |
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Òåìà: Re: Edwards E-LP92SD
Âðåìÿ: 01.12.2010 14:01 |
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Òîëüÿòòè Jackson RR1 USA, ESP Horizon |
Ýäâàðäñ - àôèãåííûå ïàëêè..áûë ó ìåíÿ è ëåñ ïîë è ýêñïëîåð - âïå÷àòëåíèÿ - ñàìûå ïîçèòèâíûå. | |
www.sila-tlt.ru
Êòî íå ïü¸ò öàé - òîò öìî. ( Êîíôóöèé) |
Àâòîð |
Òåìà: Re: Edwards E-LP92SD
Âðåìÿ: 01.12.2010 17:40 |
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guitars |
Ìíå Tokai áîëüøå âñòàâëÿåò --The first runs of Edwards guitars were entirely made in Japan --Nowadays the initial phase of the manufacture of an Edwards guitar (woodworking through painting) is done in an ESP factory just inside the Chinese border in the Northeast province of Heilongjiang. ESP established a joint venture in Northeast China in early 1992, named the Heilongjiang ESP Electronic Audio Co., Ltd. (黑龙江ESP电子༱ 9;响有限公司 Heilongjiang E.S.P Electronic Hi-Fi Co Ltd. Jiguan District, Jixi City, Heilongjiang, China 158100. Processing Electric Guitar. Phone: 86-453-2358268). ESP ENTERTAINMENT GROUP ESP made this move at that time due to China’s opening of the Northeast Asia Economic Subregion--in short this was an agreement among China, Russia, Japan and Korea to ease restrictions and tariffs on the import and export of finished and particularly unfinished goods among one another. This cooperation among the countries was renewed and expanded in 2003. In the case of ESP, this provided the availability of cheap, trained, literate workers, and cheap factory workspace. Obviously, for China it meant jobs in a region that was shedding thousands of heavy industry and mining jobs. So the deal was done and ESP established a factory in Jixi, Heilongjiang to do the woodworking and painting of guitars Raw materials are ocean-shipped by ESP to Vladivostok, Russia where the materials are shipped by train about 200 km to the Suifenhe Sino-Russian Trade Zone. There they enter China at the Suifenhe port of entry and move an additional 120+ km to the ESP factory at Jixi. After the semi-finished guitars leave the factory, it is possible to reach Japan and the ROK directly by means of overland and marine transport from Suifenhe customs office via Vladivostok or Nakhodka, Russia According to the ESP representatives: -- Mahogany, Alder and Ash are used in EDWARDS. (This of course refers to more than the LP series) -- Neither Sapele nor African Mahogany are used in Edwards. -- The Mahogany that is used in the E-LP series is native to Southeast Asia. The ESP factory is located at No. 20, Xishan Rd., Jixi, Heilongjiang, China and employees about 100 people. According to responses from ESP, the preliminary work on both Edwards and ESP guitars are done at this factory, from woodworking through painting. ESP claims that high degree of craftsmanship is maintained on the Edwards line because they are built totally within ESP facilities—in China, ESP has its own (high quality) factory, its own staff trained by ESP and production is done under the ESP monitoring. None of the work is contracted to other factories. “((ESP))木工〜塗装 12414;ではESP中国工& #22580;(黒龍江省 5289;、組み込み{ 16;セッティング ;は日本のESP新 1; 京工場にて行 12387;ております 290;” “EDWARDSは木工〜塗 35013;までを中国 289;組み込み〜ӟ 5;ッティングを 日本で行って 12356;ます。” The finish process and installation of all the electronics, plastics and hardware is still done in Japan at the ESP Japan Factory in Saitama, Tokyo. This new factory was opened in June 2008. (2008年6月: 埼玉に新東京 24037;場を新設) This factory is in the greater Tokyo area, about 20-30 km north of central Tokyo. ESP also has factories in Sado and Kiso for export mainly, but these now do not work on the Edwards line In ESP’s defense, the company has a tradition of choosing not to build giant facilities with CNC machines and undertrained staff. ESP traditionally has multiple work shops and custom shop facilities around Japan, enabling the company to spread the high volume of orders across multiple shops, without having to compromise their higher quality custom instruments. It looks as if the Jixi factory has been folded into this mix. Now for the 64 dollar question—why did ESP choose to build the Edwards brand in Northeast China? Well, there’s the break on tariffs, the availability of cheap factory space and a skilled literate workforce, but wages have got to be the primary driver. Wages for Chinese factory workers are less than for Korean and much less than for Japanese, BUT wages for workers in China’s Northeast even lag behind those for workers in the factory cities along the coast (Shenzhen, Shanghai, Guangzhou, and even Qingdao). For a number of reasons, I believe that a wage equal to about $1 per hour would be a good fudge-figure to get a feel for what it costs ESP per Chinese employee of the Heilongjiang ESP Electronic Audio Co., Ltd. So that’s the story of Edwards guitars being made in China. ESP Edwards made in China ________________________________________ Just saw this on another forum. Some guy was asking ESP where the Edwards are made and they replied and told him that the guitars are made in ESP's own factory in northern China and then sent to their Tokyo factory for setup. Here's the original text from ESP's response... Quote: EDWARDSは、木工~ 2615;装までを弊Ķ 38;中国工場(下 ;請けではあり& #12414;せん)にて 4892;い、組み込| 15;~セットアッ ;プを新東京工& #22580;にて行って 2362;ります。 If you can't read japanese here's a bad translation by Babelfish. Quote: EDWARDS, at our company Chinese factory (is not subcontract,) does to carpenter ~ paint, installation ~ setup at the new Tokyo factory we have gone. This was news to me as I thought they were made completely in Japan. Apparently not. Still very nice guitars though. Link where I spotted this. |
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Òåìà: Re: Edwards E-LP92SD
Âðåìÿ: 01.12.2010 17:49 |
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Ìîñêâà |
áëèí, à ÿ äóìàþ ÷îò êàêòî ñòðàííî ýäâàðö ñòàë çâó÷àòü îêàçûâàåòñÿ ÊÈÒÀÉ | |
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Òåìà: Re: Edwards E-LP92SD
Âðåìÿ: 01.12.2010 18:01 |
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guitars |
>áëèí, à ÿ äóìàþ ÷îò êàêòî ñòðàííî ýäâàðö ñòàë çâó÷àòü îêàçûâàåòñÿ ÊÈÒÀÉ ôîðóì ñêîðáèò |
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Òåìà: Re: Edwards E-LP92SD
Âðåìÿ: 01.12.2010 18:43 |
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Edwards E-EX-125E Ibanez EW20BGE Casio PX-150 ♫ |
êàêàÿ ðàçíèöà ãäå äåëàþò, ãëàâíîå ÷òî ýäâàðäñ ýòî: 1-Î÷åíü êà÷åñòâåííî 2-Î÷åíü êðàñèâî 3-Î÷åíü çâó÷èò 4-Óäåëûâàåò äðóãèõ á/ó èïîíöåâ â ñâîåé öåíå è âûøå Êàê áý âñå ïðîáëåìû êåòàÿ îòñóòñòâóþò Êóïèë ñåáå 125 ýêñï è íàðàäîâàòüñÿ íå ìîãó È ïóñòü åãî õîòü áîìæ Òàðàñ ó ñåáÿ â ïîäâàëå ñòàìåñêîé âûäîëáèë, çâó÷àòü õóæå îí íå ñòàíåò ÇÛ. Ìîé òî÷íî íå â êåòàå ñäåëàí |
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Òåìà: Re: Edwards E-LP92SD
Âðåìÿ: 01.12.2010 20:33 |
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The Fuzz |
Óä > 4-Óäåëûâàåò äðóãèõ á/ó èïîíöåâ â ñâîåé öåíå è âûøå >ÇÛ. Ìîé òî÷íî íå â êåòàå ñäåëàí Áîëåå, ÷åì ñïîðíîå óòâåðæäåíèå |
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Òåìà: Re: Edwards E-LP92SD
Âðåìÿ: 02.12.2010 01:14 |
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Ýäâàðäñ- òîò æå ËÒÄ. | |
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Òåìà: Re: Edwards E-LP92SD
Âðåìÿ: 02.12.2010 01:24 |
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Êèðîâñê Greco WP550, ESP Edipse Custom Shop |
jimmie48 , à ËÒÄ - òîò æå ÅÑÏ, à Ãðîâåð - òîò æå Äæåêñîí | |
ìîíèòîð ó ìåíÿ çàïîòåâàë ñî ñòîðîíû èíåòà (ñ) time
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Òåìà: Re: Edwards E-LP92SD
Âðåìÿ: 02.12.2010 09:39 |
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Õîðîøàÿ ãèòàðà...÷òî çà áðåä ïðî êèòàé? Ìîé Produced by Navigator òî÷íî Íèïïîí) | |
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Òåìà: Re: Edwards E-LP92SD
Âðåìÿ: 02.12.2010 10:20 |
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The Fuzz |
>...÷òî çà áðåä ïðî êèòàé? Áîëåå, ÷åì èñ÷åðïûâàþùàÿ ïðåäñòàâëåííàÿ èíôîðìàöèÿ- èçãîòîâ- ëåíèå äåðåâÿííûõ ÷àñòåé: ãðèô, êîðïóñ- Êèòàé, ñáîðêà ßïîíèÿ Þçàéòå ïåðåâîä÷èêè òîãäà Êñòàòè, íè íà îäíîì Ýäèêå LP 92-98-õ ìîäåëåé íå âñòðå÷àë íàäïèñè made in Japan |
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The RAT.The last fuzz you will ever need!
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Òåìà: Re: Edwards E-LP92SD
Âðåìÿ: 02.12.2010 14:52 |
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Edwards E-EX-125E Ibanez EW20BGE Casio PX-150 ♫ |
à íå ïîêåð ëè íà øèëüäèê made in? îí +100500 ê çâóêó íå äàåò over 99% èç òåõ, êòî äåðæàë â ðóêàõ ýäèêè êîí÷àëè îò óäîâîëüñòâèÿ è êîñÿêîâ íå çàìå÷àëè. íè÷åãî èç òîãî, çà ÷òî ìû ëþáèì êåòàé, òàì íå çàìå÷åíî. è ãîâîðèòü ýäâàðäñ=ëòä ìÿãêî ãîâîðÿ íåïðàâèëüíî, ñðàâíåíèå â ëîï ýäâàðäñ-ëòä ïîêàçàëî, ÷òî ýäèêè íà ïàðó ãîëîâ âûøå áóäóò. ñ á/ó èïîíöàìè òîæå ðàçãîâîð êîðîòêèé. ðàçóìíåå ñðàâíèâàòü ñ åñï òîãäà óæ ÇÛ. õîëèâàð çàòÿíóëñÿ, íó åãî íàôóé. êòî íå èãðàë ïóñòü ñîìíåâàþòñÿ, êòî èãðàë âëþáèëñÿ ñðàçó |
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