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Òåìà: Inputs. Hi & Lo Jacks
Âðåìÿ: 15.05.2007 16:38 |
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Êàêîå ïðàêòè÷åñêîå îòëè÷èå ýòèõ âõîäîâ. Òûêàëñå âñåãäà â ëî, à âîò òóò ïîäóìàë, à íàõðåíà âàùå õàé? | |
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Òåìà: Re: Inputs. Hi & Lo Jacks
Âðåìÿ: 15.05.2007 16:43 |
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Îäèí êàíàë íîðìàëüíûé , à äðóãîé ñ ïðåîáëàäàíèåì âûñîêèõ ÷àñòîò. | |
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Òåìà: Re: Inputs. Hi & Lo Jacks
Âðåìÿ: 15.05.2007 16:46 |
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High - âõîä äëÿ ãèòàðû ñ àêòèâíîé ýëåêòðîíèêîé, low - äëÿ îáû÷íîé. Åñëè þçàåøü ïðîö èëè ïðèìî÷êó, âòûêàéñÿ â õàé. | |
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Òåìà: Re: Inputs. Hi & Lo Jacks
Âðåìÿ: 15.05.2007 16:49 |
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Tolig, à îòëè÷èÿ â çâóêå êàêèå áóäóò? | |
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Òåìà: Re: Inputs. Hi & Lo Jacks
Âðåìÿ: 15.05.2007 16:58 |
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ëóæêîôôô -ñèòè ESP eclipse I ->marshall jcm 900->TScholtz->2x12
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>High - âõîä äëÿ ãèòàðû ñ àêòèâíîé ýëåêòðîíèêîé, low - äëÿ îáû÷íîé. Åñëè þçàåøü ïðîö èëè ïðèìî÷êó, âòûêàéñÿ â õàé. õî÷åøü ñêàçàòü ÷òî íà JCM800 (2203) îäèí âõîä äëÿ Àêòèâà à äðóãîé äëÿ ïàññèâà, ÷óøü, â òî âðåìÿ êîãäà îí ïîÿâèëñÿ åùå àêòèâíûå äàò÷èêè íå îñîáî áûëè ðàçâèòû.... |
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Òåìà: Re: Inputs. Hi & Lo Jacks
Âðåìÿ: 15.05.2007 17:00 |
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À âñå ïðîñòî: åñëè òêíåøüñÿ â Low àêòèâíûì äàò÷èêîì, òî ðèñêóåøü ïåðåãðóçèòü óñèëèòåëü íà âõîäå. Ñîîòâåòñòâåííî, ïðè ýòîì çâóê äåëàåòñÿ "ãðÿçíåå", ò.å., ó òåáÿ èñêàæåíèÿ âíîñÿòñÿ åùå äî ïðåàìïà â óñèëèòåëå. À ýòî íåïðàâèëüíî... | |
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Òåìà: Re: Inputs. Hi & Lo Jacks
Âðåìÿ: 15.05.2007 17:03 |
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2 ×åêèñò: íå òîëüêî äëÿ àêòèâíûõ äàò÷èêîâ. Äëÿ ëþáîãî ñèãíàëà, óñèëåííîãî ÄÎ ñîáñòâåííî óñèëèòåëÿ. | |
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Òåìà: Re: Inputs. Hi & Lo Jacks
Âðåìÿ: 15.05.2007 17:05 |
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>2 ×åêèñò: íå òîëüêî äëÿ àêòèâíûõ äàò÷èêîâ. Äëÿ ëþáîãî ñèãíàëà, óñèëåííîãî ÄÎ ñîáñòâåííî óñèëèòåëÿ. ÍÓ òàê áû è ñêàçàë... |
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Òåìà: Re: Inputs. Hi & Lo Jacks
Âðåìÿ: 15.05.2007 17:15 |
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Tolig "íåñëè òêíåøüñÿ â Low àêòèâíûì äàò÷èêîì, òî ðèñêóåøü ïåðåãðóçèòü óñèëèòåëü íà âõîäå. Ñîîòâåòñòâåííî, ïðè ýòîì çâóê äåëàåòñÿ "ãðÿçíåå", ò.å., ó òåáÿ èñêàæåíèÿ âíîñÿòñÿ åùå äî ïðåàìïà â óñèëèòåëå. À ýòî íåïðàâèëüíî..." è êàê òû ñåáå ýòî ïðåäñòàâëÿåùü? ãäå äî ïðåìïà ìîæåò èñêàçèòñÿ ñèãíàë? â øíóðå ÷òîëü? åðóíäèòå îäíè ñëîâîì.... â ïðåàìå è èñêàçèòñÿ èáî ÷óñòâèòåëüíîñòü â LOW èíïóòå âûøå... |
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Òåìà: Re: Inputs. Hi & Lo Jacks
Âðåìÿ: 15.05.2007 17:19 |
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Òüõó, à âåäü Ïðîïîâåäíèê ïðàâ.  ïðåàìïå è èñêàçèòñÿ. Êîðî÷å, íå íàäî òàê äåëàòü...) | |
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Òåìà: Re: Inputs. Hi & Lo Jacks
Âðåìÿ: 15.05.2007 19:10 |
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Òåìà: Re: Inputs. Hi & Lo Jacks
Âðåìÿ: 15.05.2007 19:26 |
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äâà âõîäà ñ ðàçíîé ÷óñòâèòåëüíîñòüþ LOW - áîëüøàÿ ÷óâñòâèòåëüíîñòü HI - ìàëàÿ ÷óâñòâèòåëüíîñòü |
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Òåìà: Re: Inputs. Hi & Lo Jacks
Âðåìÿ: 15.05.2007 19:28 |
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÷óâñòâèòåëüíîñòü ýòî òîæå ñàìîå ÷òî è gain | |
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Òåìà: Re: Inputs. Hi & Lo Jacks
Âðåìÿ: 15.05.2007 22:48 |
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Åñëè ñ àíãëèéñêîãî ïåðåâåñòè HI-âûøå LOW-íèæå!!! Äóìàéòå ñàìè. | |
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Òåìà: Re: Inputs. Hi & Lo Jacks
Âðåìÿ: 15.05.2007 23:11 |
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ìëèí, éîïò, ÿ íå òàêîé òóïîé, ÿ ïîíèìàþ, ÷òî òàêîé ëîó è õàé, ÿ õî÷ó óçíàòü êàê èçìåíèöà çâóê åñëè ÿ âîò ñ öåïî÷êîé - ãèòàðêî - äñ-1 - ñöô ïîäðóáëþñü âíà÷àëå â ëîó, à ïîòîì â õàé. Íè÷å íå òðîãàÿ. Ùà ïðîñòî àïïàðàòà íåò, ÷òî áû ïðîâåðèòü, à ìëèí èíòåðåñíà äî æîïû | |
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Òåìà: Re: Inputs. Hi & Lo Jacks
Âðåìÿ: 15.05.2007 23:19 |
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Âêëþ÷àÿñü â õàé, áóäåò áîëüøå ïåðåãðóçà. | |
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Òåìà: Re: Inputs. Hi & Lo Jacks
Âðåìÿ: 16.05.2007 00:34 |
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Lex, òå òðè ñëîâà êîòîðûå ÿ è æäàë 
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Òåìà: Re: Inputs. Hi & Lo Jacks
Âðåìÿ: 16.05.2007 12:14 |
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=)) íå ñòîé ñòîðîíû ñìîòðèòå HI èìååòñÿ ââèäó ÷òî èñòî÷íèê êîòîðûé ïîäêëþ÷àåì ê óñèëêó èìååò "ðàñêà÷åíûé" ñèãíàë ñîîòâåñòâåííî óñèëåíèå â ýòîì èíïóòå ìåíüøå äàáû íå èñêàçèòü ñèãíàë.... ñ LOW òîæå ñàìîå òîëüêî íàîîáîðîò |
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Òåìà: Re: Inputs. Hi & Lo Jacks
Âðåìÿ: 16.05.2007 12:21 |
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Íà ñàìîì äåëå âñå æå íå òàê. HI - ýòî âõîä âûñîêîé ÷óâñòâèòåëüíîñòè, òî åñòü îí ðàññ÷èòàí íà áîëåå ñëàáûé ñèãíàë. LOW ñîîòâåòñòâåííî, íàîáîðîò. Âîò çäåñü î÷åíü ìíîãî èíòåðåñíîãî íà ýòó òåìó: http://www.muzoborudovanie.ru/equip/instr/combo/amps/amps.php |
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Òåìà: Re: Inputs. Hi & Lo Jacks
Âðåìÿ: 16.05.2007 12:35 |
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Lex â ýòîé ñòàòüå þåãëûì âçãëÿäîì íåíàøîë îòâåòà íà äàííó òåìó ïðîøó ïðîùåíüÿ ÿ íàãíàë!!! =)))) ñèëüíî íå áåéòå! íà ñàìîì äåëå âñå âûãëåäèò òàê: åñòü äâà âàðèíòà 1. íà ìàðøàëàõ (ïîìîåìó íå íà âñåõ) ýòî äâà âõîäà ñ ðàçíîé ÷óâñòâèòåëüíîñòüþ =) HI áîëüøå óñèëåíèå LOW ìåíüøåå. 2. äâà âõîäà ñ ðàçíûì âõîäíûì ñîïðîòèâëåíèåì HI áîëüøîå ñîïðîòèâëåíèå äëÿ ïàññèâà, LOW áîëüøîå ñîïðîèâëåíèå äëÿ àêòèâíîé ýëëåêòðèíèêè, ñäåëàíî äëÿ òîãî ÷òîá íà àêòèâå ëîâèòü ìåíüøå íàâîäîê âîòü. |
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Òåìà: Re: Inputs. Hi & Lo Jacks
Âðåìÿ: 16.05.2007 12:37 |
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îøèáî÷êà 2. äâà âõîäà ñ ðàçíûì âõîäíûì ñîïðîòèâëåíèåì HI áîëüøîå ñîïðîòèâëåíèå äëÿ ïàññèâà, LOW ÌÅÍÜØÅÅ ñîïðîèâëåíèå äëÿ àêòèâíîé ýëëåêòðèíèêè, ñäåëàíî äëÿ òîãî ÷òîá íà àêòèâå ëîâèòü ìåíüøå íàâîäîê |
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Òåìà: Re: Inputs. Hi & Lo Jacks
Âðåìÿ: 16.05.2007 21:14 |
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"...Ðàññìîòðèì âñå òîò æå Vox AC 30. Àïïàðàò èìååò ñëîæíûé ïðåäâàðèòåëüíûé óñèëèòåëü. Îí ñîñòîèò èç òðåõ âõîäíûõ áëîêîâ, êàæäûé èç êîòîðûõ èìååò ïî äâà âõîäà. Îäèí âõîä âûñîêîé ÷óâñòâèòåëüíîñòè, âòîðîé - íèçêîé. Òàêèì îáðàçîì, ìåíÿÿ âõîäû, ìîæíî èçìåíÿòü óðîâåíü ïåðåãðóçêè àïïàðàòà. Âõîäîì íèçêîé ÷óâñòâèòåëüíîñòè òàêæå ìîæíî âîñïîëüçîâàòüñÿ ïðè íàëè÷èè ñèëüíîãî èñòî÷íèêà ñèãíàëà - íàïðèìåð, åñëè íà àïïàðàò çâóê ïîäàåòñÿ íå ñ ãèòàðíîãî âûõîäà, à ñ âûõîäà ïðîöåññîðà èëè êàêîé-ëèáî ïðåäâàðèòåëüíîé îáðàáîòêè. Âòîðîé âõîä ñäåëàí òàê, ÷òî åñëè åãî èñïîëüçîâàòü âìåñòå ñ âõîäîì âûñîêîé ÷óâñòâèòåëüíîñòè, òî îíè ñòàíîâÿòñÿ ïàðàëëåëüíûìè. Ýòî ïðåâðàùàåò âõîäíîé áëîê ïðåäâàðèòåëüíîãî óñèëèòåëÿ êàíàëà àïïàðàòà â ïàññèâíûé ñïëèòòåð, ïðè ïîìîùè êîòîðîãî ñèãíàë ìîæíî ðàçäåëèòü íàäâîå. Ïåðâûì ïðèåìíèêîì ñèãíàëà ÿâëÿåòñÿ ñàì âõîäíîé áëîê ïðåäâàðèòåëüíîãî óñèëèòåëÿ êàíàëà, à âîò âòîðûì ìîæåò áûòü ïðàêòè÷åñêè âñå, ÷òî óãîäíî. Ïðàêòè÷åñêè - ýòî ïîòîìó, ÷òî ýòî "âñå, ÷òî óãîäíî" äîëæíî èìåòü âûñîêîå âõîäíîå ñîïðîòèâëåíèå, äàáû íå "ïîñàäèòü" ñèãíàë èíñòðóìåíòà..." | |
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Òåìà: Re: Inputs. Hi & Lo Jacks
Âðåìÿ: 17.05.2007 10:55 |
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http://www.drugoyzvuk.ru/afisha/25.html åùå ìíåíèå ïî ýòîìó ïîâîäó. 2Lex ñïàñèáî çà ñòàòüþ. Ñòàòüÿ íåõèëàÿ. Òîëüêî åñëè ïîä ðóêîé íåò êîíêðåòíîãî ãèðà, îïèñàííîãî â ñòàòüå, òî ðàçîáðàòüñÿ ñëîæíîâàòî. |
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Òåìà: Re: Inputs. Hi & Lo Jacks
Âðåìÿ: 18.05.2007 16:16 |
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Òåìà: Re: Inputs. Hi & Lo Jacks
Âðåìÿ: 18.05.2007 20:27 |
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Âõîäû HI è LOW íà ãèòàðíûõ óñèëêàõ ïîëþáîìó ïîÿâèëèñü ðàíüøå, ÷åì àêòèâíà ýëåêòðîíèêà. | |
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Òåìà: Re: Inputs. Hi & Lo Jacks
Âðåìÿ: 18.05.2007 20:55 |
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Lex, äà, ÷òîáû ìîæíî áûëî óñèëèâàòü ñèãíàë íå òîëüêî ãèòàðíîãî, íîè ëèíåéíîãî óðîâíÿ | |
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Òåìà: Re: Inputs. Hi & Lo Jacks
Âðåìÿ: 18.05.2007 22:45 |
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Lex +1 çà òî, ÷òî ñ ãîëîâû íà íîãè âñå ïîñòàâèë. À òî ÿ ÷óòü ñî ñòóëà íå óïàë, êîãäà íà÷àë ÷èòàòü ïðî ÷óâñòâèòåëüíîñòü Hi è Low. Óâàæàþ. |
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