Àâòîð |
Òåìà: Ïîñîâåòóéòå áóñòåð
Âðåìÿ: 26.06.2009 16:31 |
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Õî÷ó ïðèêóïèòü ê òþáìåíó òàêóþ ïðèáëóäó, ÷òîá íà ñîëî ïðîðåçàòüñÿ. þçàë ñåéìîð äóíêàí, íî îí ìíå íå ïîðàâèëñÿ, ñàæàåò çâóê è ïîäú¸ì íà÷èíàåòñÿ ñðàçó ñ 6äö. ïåäàëü ãðîìêîñòè íå õî÷ó, îíè òÿæ¸ëûå. Âîáùåì íóæíà ïðèìî÷, ÷òîá çâóê íå øèáêî ñàæàëà è ïîäú¸ì ãðîìêîñòè áûë ñ 0äö. |
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Òåìà: Re: Ïîñîâåòóéòå áóñòåð
Âðåìÿ: 26.06.2009 16:33 |
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Ìîñêâà |
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Gibson EB bass/Gibson LP Std
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Àâòîð |
Òåìà: Re: Ïîñîâåòóéòå áóñòåð
Âðåìÿ: 26.06.2009 16:36 |
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Ìîñêâà |
ïîäúåì îò íóëÿ, ïðè ÷åì íà îáà êàíàëà íåçàâèñèìî, ñâîåîáðàçíûé ìèêñ ýêâàëàéçåðà è áóñòåðà | |
Gibson EB bass/Gibson LP Std
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Àâòîð |
Òåìà: Re: Ïîñîâåòóéòå áóñòåð
Âðåìÿ: 26.06.2009 16:41 |
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Moskwah-wah-wah Äâà |
+1 çà âàðèàíò Ëåî âàðèàíòîâ èñïîëüçîâàíèÿ ìàññà |
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Àâòîð |
Òåìà: Re: Ïîñîâåòóéòå áóñòåð
Âðåìÿ: 26.06.2009 17:03 |
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Ìàñòåð æåñòîêèõ |
ìíå áû ÷åãî ïîïðîùå è ïîäåøåâëå | |
Ó Ìàëüìñòèíà ñåêðåò àðïåäæèî â ðû÷àãå. Îí èì ñêîðîñòè ïåðåêëþ÷àåò.
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Àâòîð |
Òåìà: Re: Ïîñîâåòóéòå áóñòåð
Âðåìÿ: 26.06.2009 17:06 |
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Ìîñêâà |
Revolt, äî 4-ãî âêëþ÷èòåëüíî îòäàì çà 4000 ð. | |
Gibson EB bass/Gibson LP Std
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Àâòîð |
Òåìà: Re: Ïîñîâåòóéòå áóñòåð
Âðåìÿ: 26.06.2009 17:10 |
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Ìàñòåð æåñòîêèõ |
LEO,åñëè óñïåþ äåíåõ íàìóòèòü... à îí ñ àäàïòåðîì? à ÷åãîíèòü åù¸ íåìíîæêî ïîñîâåòóéòå |
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Ó Ìàëüìñòèíà ñåêðåò àðïåäæèî â ðû÷àãå. Îí èì ñêîðîñòè ïåðåêëþ÷àåò.
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Àâòîð |
Òåìà: Re: Ïîñîâåòóéòå áóñòåð
Âðåìÿ: 26.06.2009 17:13 |
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Ìîñêâà |
åñëè óñïååøü, òî àäàïòåð ïîäàðþ, õîòÿ îí íà áàòàðåéêå äîëãî æèâåò | |
Gibson EB bass/Gibson LP Std
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Àâòîð |
Òåìà: Re: Ïîñîâåòóéòå áóñòåð
Âðåìÿ: 26.06.2009 17:15 |
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Ýñòîíèÿ, Òàëëèí Ibanez RGD2127 | RG2620 |
À ÷òî âçàìåí áåð¸øü? | |
Ibanez RGD2127z (BKP MM set) | RG2620 QMSP (BKP Nailbomb bridge) >> Korg Pitchblack >> Chris Custom Dr. Silvery >> Yerasov Detonator >> Yerasov Bull-V 212(Eminence Swamp Thang | The Governor)
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Àâòîð |
Òåìà: Re: Ïîñîâåòóéòå áóñòåð
Âðåìÿ: 26.06.2009 17:16 |
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Ìîñêâà |
>à ÷åãîíèòü åù¸ íåìíîæêî ïîñîâåòóéòå rc booster |
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Gibson EB bass/Gibson LP Std
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Àâòîð |
Òåìà: Re: Ïîñîâåòóéòå áóñòåð
Âðåìÿ: 26.06.2009 17:59 |
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Ìîñêâà |
Êðþãåð, äà ÷òî óãîäíî, èíòåðåñíåíüêîå | |
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Àâòîð |
Òåìà: Re: Ïîñîâåòóéòå áóñòåð
Âðåìÿ: 26.06.2009 18:03 |
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Moskwah-wah-wah Äâà |
ìíå êñòàòå RC ñ äèêèì ïåðåãðóçîì íå ïîíðàâèëñÿ | |
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Àâòîð |
Òåìà: Re: Ïîñîâåòóéòå áóñòåð
Âðåìÿ: 26.06.2009 18:23 |
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Byzantium Fender/Vigier guitars Marshall amps/cabs TN Torpedo Live |
êóïè MXR/CAE Line Boost.... | |
...Βυζαντινή Ρωμαίοι εδω ... Φαειτ τα σκαταμ.
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Àâòîð |
Òåìà: Re: Ïîñîâåòóéòå áóñòåð
Âðåìÿ: 26.06.2009 18:27 |
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Byzantium Fender/Vigier guitars Marshall amps/cabs TN Torpedo Live |
>ìíå êñòàòå RC ñ äèêèì ïåðåãðóçîì íå ïîíðàâèëñÿ íå çíàþ...... ÿ ïðîáîâàë RC ñî âñåìè ñâîèìè ïðåàìïàìè(íà âñåõ êàíàëàõ) - çâó÷èò íîðìàëüíî... ñ äèêèì ïåðåãðóçîì áóñòåð îñîáî íå íóæåí - ýòî óæå ëèøíåå. |
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...Βυζαντινή Ρωμαίοι εδω ... Φαειτ τα σκαταμ.
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Àâòîð |
Òåìà: Re: Ïîñîâåòóéòå áóñòåð
Âðåìÿ: 26.06.2009 18:35 |
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Ìîñêâà Strat, ASAT, SG, Takamine |
>êóïè MXR/CAE Line Boost äà. ó ìåíÿ) |
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Strat, ASAT, SG->Budda-> Cmatmods Signa Comp-> Zendrive->OCD->Fulltone '70 -> MXR Phase 90-> T-Rex Tremster-> RC Booster-> Strymon Brigadier-> Strymon Blue Sky// TS-808->BJFe Folk Fuzz->Wampler Plexi Drive-> Ibanez Flanger->EHX Pulsar->Malekko 616
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Àâòîð |
Òåìà: Re: Ïîñîâåòóéòå áóñòåð
Âðåìÿ: 26.06.2009 18:39 |
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Ìîñêâà |
Gustaw, íå ïåðåáèâàé ìíå êëèåíòà | |
Gibson EB bass/Gibson LP Std
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Àâòîð |
Òåìà: Re: Ïîñîâåòóéòå áóñòåð
Âðåìÿ: 26.06.2009 18:43 |
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Ìîñêâà Strat, ASAT, SG, Takamine |
LEO, à òû çàìåòèë êàê äîôèãà êîììåíòîâ íà íàøèõ îáúÿâëåíèÿõ î ïðîäàæå áóñòåðîâ?:))) òóò íå äî ïîëèòåñîâ,â ãîðëî äðóã äðóãó â ïîðó âöåïëÿòüñÿ))) | |
Strat, ASAT, SG->Budda-> Cmatmods Signa Comp-> Zendrive->OCD->Fulltone '70 -> MXR Phase 90-> T-Rex Tremster-> RC Booster-> Strymon Brigadier-> Strymon Blue Sky// TS-808->BJFe Folk Fuzz->Wampler Plexi Drive-> Ibanez Flanger->EHX Pulsar->Malekko 616
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Òåìà: Re: Ïîñîâåòóéòå áóñòåð
Âðåìÿ: 26.06.2009 18:44 |
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Moskwah-wah-wah Äâà |
îñòàëîñü òîëüêî ìíå ñêàçàòü ÷òî áóñòåðû ôèãíÿ è àâòîðó íóæåí êîìïðåññîð è õîðóñ | |
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Òåìà: Re: Ïîñîâåòóéòå áóñòåð
Âðåìÿ: 26.06.2009 19:04 |
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Ìîñêâà |
î, ÿ âñïîìíèë, ó ìåíÿæ åñòü áóñòåð villex |
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Àâòîð |
Òåìà: Re: Ïîñîâåòóéòå áóñòåð
Âðåìÿ: 26.06.2009 19:06 |
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Ìîñêâà Mesa Heartbreaker; Fender Showman |
t-rex ìàæîðåí êàê-òî. Ìîæåò ÷òî-òî èç ýòîãî?: |
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G.A.S. in progress http://flex-gear.livejournal.com/
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Àâòîð |
Òåìà: Re: Ïîñîâåòóéòå áóñòåð
Âðåìÿ: 26.06.2009 19:08 |
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Ìîñêâà Strat, ASAT, SG, Takamine |
Ñåððàíî Ïèêîñî-ñàìûé êðàñèâûé ïåäàëü â ìèðå))) | |
Strat, ASAT, SG->Budda-> Cmatmods Signa Comp-> Zendrive->OCD->Fulltone '70 -> MXR Phase 90-> T-Rex Tremster-> RC Booster-> Strymon Brigadier-> Strymon Blue Sky// TS-808->BJFe Folk Fuzz->Wampler Plexi Drive-> Ibanez Flanger->EHX Pulsar->Malekko 616
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Òåìà: Re: Ïîñîâåòóéòå áóñòåð
Âðåìÿ: 26.06.2009 19:28 |
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Byzantium Fender/Vigier guitars Marshall amps/cabs TN Torpedo Live |
>îñòàëîñü òîëüêî ìíå ñêàçàòü ÷òî áóñòåðû ôèãíÿ è àâòîðó íóæåí êîìïðåññîð è õîðóñ äà.... åù¸ ôëåíäæåð, ôåéçåð...à åù¸ ëó÷øå - Çóì 505 - òàì åñòü âñ¸ |
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...Βυζαντινή Ρωμαίοι εδω ... Φαειτ τα σκαταμ.
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Àâòîð |
Òåìà: Re: Ïîñîâåòóéòå áóñòåð
Âðåìÿ: 26.06.2009 19:34 |
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Ìîñêâà Strat, ASAT, SG, Takamine |
G.A., äà, íî Äæèììè íå ïðîäàåò ôýéçåð ñ ôëýíæåðîì... è äàæå 505 íå ïðîäàåò))) | |
Strat, ASAT, SG->Budda-> Cmatmods Signa Comp-> Zendrive->OCD->Fulltone '70 -> MXR Phase 90-> T-Rex Tremster-> RC Booster-> Strymon Brigadier-> Strymon Blue Sky// TS-808->BJFe Folk Fuzz->Wampler Plexi Drive-> Ibanez Flanger->EHX Pulsar->Malekko 616
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Òåìà: Re: Ïîñîâåòóéòå áóñòåð
Âðåìÿ: 26.06.2009 19:37 |
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Byzantium Fender/Vigier guitars Marshall amps/cabs TN Torpedo Live |
>G.A., äà, íî Äæèììè íå ïðîäàåò ôýéçåð ñ ôëýíæåðîì... è äàæå 505 íå ïðîäàåò))) â ÷¸ì ïðîáëåìà? ïóñòü êóïèò è ïðîäàñò Ðåâîëüòó |
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...Βυζαντινή Ρωμαίοι εδω ... Φαειτ τα σκαταμ.
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Àâòîð |
Òåìà: Re: Ïîñîâåòóéòå áóñòåð
Âðåìÿ: 26.06.2009 19:47 |
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Ìàñòåð æåñòîêèõ |
>êóïè MXR/CAE Line Boost.... äà, ïîêàøòî íà íåãî îðèåíòèðóþñü ò-ðåêñ ïîæàëóé áóäåò ëèøíèì. |
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Ó Ìàëüìñòèíà ñåêðåò àðïåäæèî â ðû÷àãå. Îí èì ñêîðîñòè ïåðåêëþ÷àåò.
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Àâòîð |
Òåìà: Re: Ïîñîâåòóéòå áóñòåð
Âðåìÿ: 26.06.2009 19:48 |
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Ìàñòåð æåñòîêèõ |
>>G.A., äà, íî Äæèììè íå ïðîäàåò ôýéçåð ñ ôëýíæåðîì... è äàæå 505 íå ïðîäàåò))) > >â ÷¸ì ïðîáëåìà? ïóñòü êóïèò è ïðîäàñò Ðåâîëüòó à åñëè ñ àâòîãðàôîì Äæèìè, òî ìîæíî åù¸ è öåíó íàêèíóòü |
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Ó Ìàëüìñòèíà ñåêðåò àðïåäæèî â ðû÷àãå. Îí èì ñêîðîñòè ïåðåêëþ÷àåò.
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Àâòîð |
Òåìà: Re: Ïîñîâåòóéòå áóñòåð
Âðåìÿ: 26.06.2009 19:55 |
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Byzantium Fender/Vigier guitars Marshall amps/cabs TN Torpedo Live |
>à åñëè ñ àâòîãðàôîì Äæèìè, òî ìîæíî åù¸ è öåíó íàêèíóòü Äæèìè Õåíäðèêñà |
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...Βυζαντινή Ρωμαίοι εδω ... Φαειτ τα σκαταμ.
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Àâòîð |
Òåìà: Re: Ïîñîâåòóéòå áóñòåð
Âðåìÿ: 26.06.2009 19:58 |
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Byzantium Fender/Vigier guitars Marshall amps/cabs TN Torpedo Live |
>>êóïè MXR/CAE Line Boost.... >äà, ïîêàøòî íà íåãî îðèåíòèðóþñü > åãî ìîæíî âêëþ÷èòü íà 18 âîëüò - áóäåò âàùå óë¸ò... ÇÛ.(êðîìå øóòîê - ìîæíî íà 18 âîëüò) |
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...Βυζαντινή Ρωμαίοι εδω ... Φαειτ τα σκαταμ.
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Àâòîð |
Òåìà: Re: Ïîñîâåòóéòå áóñòåð
Âðåìÿ: 26.06.2009 19:59 |
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Ìàñòåð æåñòîêèõ |
>Äæèìè Õåíäðèêñà íå çíàþ òàêîãî ÿ ïðî Äæèìì Áóäâàéçåðà ãîâîðèë |
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Ó Ìàëüìñòèíà ñåêðåò àðïåäæèî â ðû÷àãå. Îí èì ñêîðîñòè ïåðåêëþ÷àåò.
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Àâòîð |
Òåìà: Re: Ïîñîâåòóéòå áóñòåð
Âðåìÿ: 26.06.2009 20:00 |
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Byzantium Fender/Vigier guitars Marshall amps/cabs TN Torpedo Live |
>>Äæèìè Õåíäðèêñà >íå çíàþ òàêîãî > Çàçíàëñÿ... |
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...Βυζαντινή Ρωμαίοι εδω ... Φαειτ τα σκαταμ.
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Àâòîð |
Òåìà: Re: Ïîñîâåòóéòå áóñòåð
Âðåìÿ: 26.06.2009 20:02 |
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Ìàñòåð æåñòîêèõ |
>åãî ìîæíî âêëþ÷èòü íà 18 âîëüò - áóäåò âàùå óë¸ò.. íàì ÷òî ïîïðîùå, óëåòàòü íå íàäî. íå, ëó÷øå þçàòü íà 9âîëüò, à òî ìíîãî ýëåêòðè÷åñòâà íàææ¸ò |
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Ó Ìàëüìñòèíà ñåêðåò àðïåäæèî â ðû÷àãå. Îí èì ñêîðîñòè ïåðåêëþ÷àåò.
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Òåìà: Re: Ïîñîâåòóéòå áóñòåð
Âðåìÿ: 26.06.2009 20:04 |
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Ìàñòåð æåñòîêèõ |
>>>Äæèìè Õåíäðèêñà >>íå çíàþ òàêîãî >> >Çàçíàëñÿ... ó íàñ íà ôîðóìå âðîäå íåò òàêîãî þçåðà, îí(îíà) ñ êàêîãî ôîðóìà |
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Ó Ìàëüìñòèíà ñåêðåò àðïåäæèî â ðû÷àãå. Îí èì ñêîðîñòè ïåðåêëþ÷àåò.
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Òåìà: Re: Ïîñîâåòóéòå áóñòåð
Âðåìÿ: 26.06.2009 20:08 |
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Byzantium Fender/Vigier guitars Marshall amps/cabs TN Torpedo Live |
>>>>Äæèìè Õåíäðèêñà >>>íå çíàþ òàêîãî >>> >>Çàçíàëñÿ... > >ó íàñ íà ôîðóìå âðîäå íåò òàêîãî þçåðà, îí(îíà) ñ êàêîãî ôîðóìà ñ òîãî ôîðóìà, ãäå è Ìàéêë Äæåêñîí ñòàë òóñîâàòüñÿ .... ñî â÷åðàøíåãî äíÿ |
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...Βυζαντινή Ρωμαίοι εδω ... Φαειτ τα σκαταμ.
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Òåìà: Re: Ïîñîâåòóéòå áóñòåð
Âðåìÿ: 26.06.2009 20:15 |
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Ìàñòåð æåñòîêèõ |
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Ó Ìàëüìñòèíà ñåêðåò àðïåäæèî â ðû÷àãå. Îí èì ñêîðîñòè ïåðåêëþ÷àåò.
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Òåìà: Re: Ïîñîâåòóéòå áóñòåð
Âðåìÿ: 27.06.2009 12:45 |
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ñàðàòîâ banhammer |
À ÷å åñëè ïîãðåòü òþáìàí áóäåò÷òîòî õîðîøåå??? | |
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Àâòîð |
Òåìà: Re: Ïîñîâåòóéòå áóñòåð
Âðåìÿ: 27.06.2009 12:53 |
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Byzantium Fender/Vigier guitars Marshall amps/cabs TN Torpedo Live |
>À ÷å åñëè ïîãðåòü òþáìàí áóäåò÷òîòî õîðîøåå??? À ÷òî, ïîó÷èòñÿ ÷òî-òî ïëîõîå? |
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...Βυζαντινή Ρωμαίοι εδω ... Φαειτ τα σκαταμ.
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Àâòîð |
Òåìà: Re: Ïîñîâåòóéòå áóñòåð
Âðåìÿ: 27.06.2009 12:54 |
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Ìîñêâà |
>>À ÷å åñëè ïîãðåòü òþáìàí áóäåò÷òîòî õîðîøåå??? >À ÷òî, ïîó÷èòñÿ ÷òî-òî ïëîõîå? À ÷òî, ÷òî-òî ïîëó÷èòñÿ? |
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Àâòîð |
Òåìà: Re: Ïîñîâåòóéòå áóñòåð
Âðåìÿ: 27.06.2009 14:20 |
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Byzantium Fender/Vigier guitars Marshall amps/cabs TN Torpedo Live |
äâà ìîäåðà ìåíÿ îáëîæèëè.... ñî âñåõ ñòîðîí... Ýòî îïàñíî | |
...Βυζαντινή Ρωμαίοι εδω ... Φαειτ τα σκαταμ.
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Àâòîð |
Òåìà: Re: Ïîñîâåòóéòå áóñòåð
Âðåìÿ: 27.06.2009 14:35 |
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Moskwah-wah-wah Äâà |
êàæäûé ãèòàðèñò â æèçíè äîëæåí ñäåëàòü ÷åòûðå âåùè - êóïèòü òóáìàí - ïðîäàòü òóáìàí - êóïèòü ôðàìóñ - ïðîäàòü ôðàìóñ |
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Òåìà: Re: Ïîñîâåòóéòå áóñòåð
Âðåìÿ: 27.06.2009 14:48 |
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Ìîñêâà |
>êàæäûé ãèòàðèñò â æèçíè äîëæåí ñäåëàòü ÷åòûðå âåùè >- êóïèòü òóáìàí >- ïðîäàòü òóáìàí >- êóïèòü ôðàìóñ >- ïðîäàòü ôðàìóñ çíà÷èò ÿ íå ãèòàðèñò |
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Àâòîð |
Òåìà: Re: Ïîñîâåòóéòå áóñòåð
Âðåìÿ: 27.06.2009 14:59 |
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Moskwah-wah-wah Äâà |
ýòî ïîòîìó ÷òî òû ñðàçó êóïèë îêêî è ãèïñàí ïîñëå áîññà è ìåêñîòåëåêà | |
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Òåìà: Re: Ïîñîâåòóéòå áóñòåð
Âðåìÿ: 27.06.2009 15:03 |
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Ìîñêâà |
÷åðò, ÿ äîãàäûâàëñÿ, ÷òî ÷òî-òî äåëàþ íå òàê | |
Gibson EB bass/Gibson LP Std
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Òåìà: Re: Ïîñîâåòóéòå áóñòåð
Âðåìÿ: 27.06.2009 18:38 |
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Ìîñêâà Strat, ASAT, SG, Takamine |
ïðè÷åì êóïèòü òþáìàí â ìàãàçèíå, ãäå 2,5 ÷àñà èãðàòü ëåñòíèöó â íåáî... | |
Strat, ASAT, SG->Budda-> Cmatmods Signa Comp-> Zendrive->OCD->Fulltone '70 -> MXR Phase 90-> T-Rex Tremster-> RC Booster-> Strymon Brigadier-> Strymon Blue Sky// TS-808->BJFe Folk Fuzz->Wampler Plexi Drive-> Ibanez Flanger->EHX Pulsar->Malekko 616
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Òåìà: Re: Ïîñîâåòóéòå áóñòåð
Âðåìÿ: 27.06.2009 23:54 |
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Ìàñòåð æåñòîêèõ |
>À ÷å åñëè ïîãðåòü òþáìàí áóäåò÷òîòî õîðîøåå??? ïðîáîâàëè äîä250, áåñòîëêîâîå äåëî. ê íåìó ãðåëêà íåïîäîéä¸ò, ó íåãî òðåòèé êàíàë êîìïðåññèðîâàííûé. |
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Ó Ìàëüìñòèíà ñåêðåò àðïåäæèî â ðû÷àãå. Îí èì ñêîðîñòè ïåðåêëþ÷àåò.
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Òåìà: Re: Ïîñîâåòóéòå áóñòåð
Âðåìÿ: 28.06.2009 00:42 |
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ñàðàòîâ banhammer |
> ó íåãî òðåòèé êàíàë êîìïðåññèðîâàííûé. ÷åì ýòî îí êîìïðåññèðîâàííûé? |
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Òåìà: Re: Ïîñîâåòóéòå áóñòåð
Âðåìÿ: 28.06.2009 00:44 |
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Byzantium Fender/Vigier guitars Marshall amps/cabs TN Torpedo Live |
>> ó íåãî òðåòèé êàíàë êîìïðåññèðîâàííûé. > > ÷åì ýòî îí êîìïðåññèðîâàííûé? ýòî çíàåò òîëüêî Ðåâîëüò... |
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...Βυζαντινή Ρωμαίοι εδω ... Φαειτ τα σκαταμ.
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Àâòîð |
Òåìà: Re: Ïîñîâåòóéòå áóñòåð
Âðåìÿ: 28.06.2009 01:04 |
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Ìàñòåð æåñòîêèõ |
>> ó íåãî òðåòèé êàíàë êîìïðåññèðîâàííûé. > > ÷åì ýòî îí êîìïðåññèðîâàííûé? íó çâóê äèñòîðøíà, à íå îâåðäðàéâà. âîáùåì íå íóæíà åìó ãðåëêà. |
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Ó Ìàëüìñòèíà ñåêðåò àðïåäæèî â ðû÷àãå. Îí èì ñêîðîñòè ïåðåêëþ÷àåò.
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Àâòîð |
Òåìà: Re: Ïîñîâåòóéòå áóñòåð
Âðåìÿ: 28.06.2009 08:55 |
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Byzantium Fender/Vigier guitars Marshall amps/cabs TN Torpedo Live |
>>> ó íåãî òðåòèé êàíàë êîìïðåññèðîâàííûé. >> >> ÷åì ýòî îí êîìïðåññèðîâàííûé? >íó çâóê äèñòîðøíà, à íå îâåðäðàéâà. >âîáùåì íå íóæíà åìó ãðåëêà. õîðîøåå îáúÿñíåíèå... |
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...Βυζαντινή Ρωμαίοι εδω ... Φαειτ τα σκαταμ.
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