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Çàäàòü íîâóþ òåìó
Àâòîð Òåìà: Ïîìîãèòå âûáðàòü òþíåð!!
Âðåìÿ: 11.06.2009 21:11 



Âîò ðåøèë ïðèîáðåñòè ñåáå òþíåð, òîëüêî íå ìîãó âûáðàòü... áîëåå ñêëîíÿþñü íà BOSS TU-2 CHROMATIC TUNER, íî ÷åò çíàêîìûå îòãîâàðèâàþò, ìîë, çà÷åì âáóõèâàòü òàêèå äåíüãè çà ýòó õðåíü, êîãäà ìîæíî âçÿòü äåøåâëå è òîæå òî÷íûé... Äàéòå ñîâåò ïîæàëóéñòà. Ïîêóïàòü ýòîò òþíåð èëè êàêîé??? Ìîæåò êòî þçàë òàêóþ øòóêó??
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Âðåìÿ: 11.06.2009 21:16 
Ïèòåð


Boss - íå ñàìûé ëó÷øèé òþíåð.

Ëó÷øå âñåãî áðàòü Korg Pitchblack èëè Peterson Strobostomp.
Åù¸ ó Planet Waves åñòü íîðìàëüíûå òþíåðû.
Tonechaser - ãèòàðíûå ýôôåêòû!
http://tonechaserfx.vkontakte.ru
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Âðåìÿ: 11.06.2009 23:16 



À ÷åì îòëè÷àåòñÿ Korg Pitchblack îò KORG DT10 ???
Àâòîð
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Âðåìÿ: 11.06.2009 23:23 
Ìàñòåð æåñòîêèõ


ó ìåíÿ korg gt-12 äîðîãîé íî ñàìûé êðóòîé èç òàêèõ.
áîññ ãóìíî
Ó Ìàëüìñòèíà ñåêðåò àðïåäæèî â ðû÷àãå. Îí èì ñêîðîñòè ïåðåêëþ÷àåò.
Àâòîð
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Âðåìÿ: 11.06.2009 23:28 
Ñàíêò-Ïåòåðáóðã
Ãèòàðà

>Áîññ íîðì òþíåð
È ÷òî â íåì íîðìàëüíîãî? Ñòîèò äîðîãî, æðåò çâóê, íè÷åì îñîáåííûì íå âûäåëÿåòñÿ.
Àâòîð, âîçüìè Ibanez LU20 è îáðåòåøü òðó-áàéïàñíîå ñ÷àñòüå çà ãîðàçäî ìåíüøèå äåíüãè.
http://www.muztorg.ru/cat/details/A004257/
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Âðåìÿ: 12.06.2009 00:14 
Ìîñêâà


Åñëè òÿãà ê Áîññó òî âîçüìè ñòðåëî÷íûé TU-15, î÷åíü óäîáíàÿ è òî÷íàÿ øòóêà.
Àâòîð
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Âðåìÿ: 12.06.2009 10:40 



Òÿãè ê áîññó íåò. Òÿãà ê íàïîëüíîìó è áîëåå òî÷íîìó òþíåðó... ðó÷íîé ÷åò íå êàíàåò... Õîòåëîñü áû âàùå óçíàòü â ÷åì ðàçíèöà ìåæäó Korg Pitchblack, BOSS TU-2 è Ibanez LU20, ñêàæåì òàê "+" è "-"????? À òî ìíå òóò âàùå îäèí òîâàðèù ñêàçàë "êóïè ñåáå PLANET WAVES PW-CT-09 çà 620ð. èëè JOYO JT-25G çà 490 è ïîëó÷è óäîâîëüñòâèå" Íó ìîë îäèí ôèã ÷òî Korg çà 3200 ÷òî JOYO JT-25G çà 490... Îáúÿñíèòå äåðåâíå
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Âðåìÿ: 12.06.2009 11:29 
Ìîñêâà


Åñëè ïîñòîÿííî áóäåò âêëþ÷¸í òîãäà îäíîçíà÷íî Korg Pitchblack, ò.ê. òðó êîðïóñ è áàéïàñ.
Àâòîð
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Âðåìÿ: 12.06.2009 11:29 
Ñàíêò-Ïåòåðáóðã
Ãèòàðà

Ó Korg Pitchblack, èìõî, îäèí ïëþñ - îí ìåíüøå ïî ðàçìåðó, ÷åì Ibanez LU20. Ïðè ýòîì ó Ibanez LU20 äâà ñóùåñòâåííûõ ïëþñà - â äâà ñ ëèøíèì ðàçà ìåíüøàÿ öåíà è òðó-áàéïàññ. Îñîáåííîé ðàçíèöû â òî÷íîñòè/ôóíêöèîíàëüíîñòè íåò. Ðàññìàòðèâàòü BOSS TU-2 âîîáùå íå âèæó ñìûñëà.
Àâòîð
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Âðåìÿ: 12.06.2009 12:32 



Íàâåðíîå âñå æå âîçüìó Korg Pitchblack... öåíà êîíå÷íî â äâà ñ ëèøíèì ðàçà áîëüøå ÷åì ó Ibanez LU20, íî çàòî Korg êîìïàêòíåé... à òðó áàéïàñ â îáîèõ ïðèñóòñòâóåò, åñëè âåðèòü òîìó, ÷òî ïèøóò òóò http://www.buymusic.ru/showmodel.php?rid=4&bid=4&cid=748&mid=7761
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Âðåìÿ: 12.06.2009 12:56 
Ïèòåð


BOSS TU-1000! Âîò ýòî òðó-òþíåð.
Tonechaser - ãèòàðíûå ýôôåêòû!
http://tonechaserfx.vkontakte.ru
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Âðåìÿ: 15.06.2009 17:22 
Çäðàâñòâóéòå. Âà
îòðåäàêòèðîâàí

Peterson Strobostomp 2 ñòðîáîñêîï î÷åíü òî÷íûé (â 30 ðàç òî÷íåå îáû÷íîãî òþíåîà) è êîìïàêòíûé ê ÷èñëó ïëþñîâ îäèí èç íåìíîãèõ óìååò îáñëóæèâàòü ãèòàðû ñ áàçç ôåéòåí
Àâòîð
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Âðåìÿ: 15.06.2009 17:52 
xxx
Fender Strat

à ÿ ïëàíåòîâñêèé õî÷ó
There are not guitarists, there are musicians playing on a guitar!
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Âðåìÿ: 15.06.2009 18:00 
Byzantium
Fender/Vigier guitars Marshall amps/cabs TN Torpedo Live

à ÿ ïëàíåòîâñêèé íå õî÷ó
...Βυζαντινή Ρωμαίοι εδω ... Φαειτ τα σκαταμ.
Àâòîð
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Âðåìÿ: 15.06.2009 18:22 
xxx
Fender Strat

G.A. ïî÷åìó?
There are not guitarists, there are musicians playing on a guitar!
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Âðåìÿ: 15.06.2009 18:44 
Byzantium
Fender/Vigier guitars Marshall amps/cabs TN Torpedo Live

>G.A. ïî÷åìó?

ÿ þçàþ òîêà áîññ è êîðã.... íàäî áóäåò ó D7 åù¸ Peterson Strobostomp 2 ïðèêóïèòü â êîëëåêöèþ :dance1:
...Βυζαντινή Ρωμαίοι εδω ... Φαειτ τα σκαταμ.
Àâòîð
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Âðåìÿ: 16.06.2009 10:14 
Ñàíêò-Ïåòåðáóðã
Ãèòàðà

>Âñ¸ ÷òî íóæíî ïîêàçûâàåò, æåëåçíûé êîðïóñ
Íó äà, òîëüêî åñòü ìàññà âàðèàíòîâ ëó÷øå è äåøåâëå :4:
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Âðåìÿ: 19.06.2009 10:33 
ÍÅÐÈÇÈÍÎÂÀß
Jackson Soloist "Black Blood", Yamaha SRR400, Hamer Studio

Ó Åáàíåçà ïî õîäó íå òðó, ýòî ðåêëàìà, òàì êíîïêà âîîáùå ñòîèò öèôðîâàÿ,à äëÿ òðó áàéïàñà èñïîëüçóþò îáû÷íî êíîïêó 3 pdt, íàâåðíî ïðîñòî ñõåìà ðåàëèçîâàíà áîëåå ìåíåå êà÷åñòâåííî è çíà÷èòåëüíîé äåãðàäàöèè ñèãíàëà ïðîñòî íå ïðîèñõîäèò,è åùå, õîòåëîñü áû óçíàòü, åñòü ëè ðàçíèöà â òî÷íîñòè íàñòðîéêè ó íàïðèìåð Êîðãà GA-40 è Pitchblack, ó ìíÿ ôëîéä ñòîèò è â ïðèíöèïå òþíåð â öåïü ìíå íå íóæåí, ÿ ðû÷àãîì íå àêòèâíî ïîëüçóþñü, à âîò ñ òî÷íîñòüþ íàñòðîéêè ìåíÿ òåðçàþò ñìóòíûå ñîìíåíèÿ
Ê ñîæàëåíèþ, çíàíèÿ ïîëîâûì ïóòåì íå ïåðåäàþòñÿ
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Âðåìÿ: 19.06.2009 11:31 
Ñàíêò-Ïåòåðáóðã
Ãèòàðà

>Ó Åáàíåçà ïî õîäó íå òðó, ýòî ðåêëàìà
Ìîãó ñêàçàòü àáñîëþòíî òî÷íî, ÷òî Ibanez LU-20 ïðîïóñêàåò ñèãíàë áåç ïèòàíèÿ. Òàêæå òî÷íî ìîãó ñêàçàòü, ÷òî BOSS TU-2 áåç ïèòàíèÿ íå ðàáîòàåò. Åñòü âîçìîæíîñòü ñðàâíèâàòü ýòè äåâàéñû 3-4 ðàçà â íåäåëþ, ïîñêîëüêó ÿâëÿþñü îáëàäàòåëåì Ibanez LU-20, à ó âòîðîãî ãèòàðèñòà BOSS TU-2.
Àâòîð
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Âðåìÿ: 21.06.2009 03:24 
Spb


korg dtr only))
Live sound: FOH/MONITORS/PRODUCTION
ìóëüòèòðýêîâàÿ çàïèñü êîíöåðòîâ (24 êàíàëà) êîíòàêòû â ïðîôàéëå
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Âðåìÿ: 11.08.2009 11:23 
Ìîñêâà
Jackson RR Professional EX/Caparison Dellinger SE/ENGL/5150

+1 ê Êîðãó
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Âðåìÿ: 12.08.2009 14:10 
Ìîñêâà
Àíàëüíûé Ýêñïîëðåð

Â÷åðà âçÿë ñ ðóê Ibanez Lu-20. Îòëè÷íàÿ ÿðêàÿ èíäèêàöèÿ! Íå òóïèò è òðó áàéïàññ ) Íó ÷òî åùå íóæíî?
Êîðã êîíå÷íî êðàñèâåå è êîìïàêòíåå, íî òîëüêî íîâûé.
ß çà èáàíåç )
ß ëþáëþ òåáÿ, êîìàòîçíàÿ ïûëåñîñêà" (ñ)
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Âðåìÿ: 10.07.2010 18:17 
Ìîñêâà
Musicman Bongo

à êàêîé íàïîëüíûé òþíåð âçÿòü ,÷òîá ëåãêèé-êîìïàêòíûé áûë è ñ òðó-áàéïàññîì? ïðî pitchblack ñëûøàë)
RIFFshop.ru – ìàãàçèí äëÿ ãèòàðèñòîâ
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Âðåìÿ: 10.07.2010 18:58 
Ìîñêâà
Gibson SG Supreme : Hamer Centaura : Hamer Artist

Stewie:
Korg pitchblack Chromatic Pedal Tuner ñ òðó-áàéïàññîì.
Peterson StroboStomp2, äîðîãîé ïðàâäà.
Ó ñàìîãî Boss TU-15.
Àâòîð
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Âðåìÿ: 27.07.2010 13:26 
Ñàíêò-Ïåòåðáóðã
Êó÷à ãèòàðíîãî âñåãî íàêîïëåííîãî çà ìíîãî ëåò

Ïîáåäèë Êîðã! :idea2:
ý-Ý-Ý...ÌÌÌÌÌ-Ì..À-À....ìììì....Âîò... :apstenu:
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Âðåìÿ: 27.07.2010 20:13 
Éîøêàð-Îëà
Gibson

À ïî÷åìó ïðî Ïîëèòþí âñå óïîðíî ìîë÷àò? :)
Gibson LP Standard
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Âðåìÿ: 27.07.2010 22:53 
Ìîñêâà
Àíàëüíûé Ýêñïîëðåð

2 Digitech
Äûê.... åãî æå òîëüêî 15 ÿíâàðÿ 2010 ïðåäñòàâèëè íà NAMM.
Ïîýòîìó òîãäà ïðî íåãî íèêòî íå ñêàçàë)
Íî êàêîé-òî îí çàìóòíûé... Çà÷åì þñá? Êòî ýòî áóäåò èñïîëüçîâàòü?
ß ëþáëþ òåáÿ, êîìàòîçíàÿ ïûëåñîñêà" (ñ)
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Âðåìÿ: 28.07.2010 00:16 
Ìîñêâà
Strat, ASAT, SG, Takamine

Digitech , à ïîòîìó ÷òî ÷å ïðî íåãî ãîâîðèòü? Åñòü òîêî Ïîëèòþí, îñòàëüíîå êîìïðîìèññ... êàê óâåðÿåò êàêàÿ-òî ðåêëàìà...))
Strat, ASAT, SG->Budda-> Cmatmods Signa Comp-> Zendrive->OCD->Fulltone '70 -> MXR Phase 90-> T-Rex Tremster-> RC Booster-> Strymon Brigadier-> Strymon Blue Sky// TS-808->BJFe Folk Fuzz->Wampler Plexi Drive-> Ibanez Flanger->EHX Pulsar->Malekko 616
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Âðåìÿ: 28.07.2010 13:47 
Ìîñêâà


Gustaw , à ÷åì îí îò ïèò÷áëåêà îòëè÷àåòñÿ, ìîæåò ìíå ãëàçà îòêðîòå?)
Gibson EB bass/Gibson LP Std
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Âðåìÿ: 28.07.2010 17:45 
ß Æåíàò
Íà Ñâîåé Äåâóøêå

ïî÷åìó äî ñèõ ïîð íèêòî íå ïîñîâåòîâàë zoom 505 ? :7: :11:
ÿ íå ìîãó ñêàçàòü#### (ñ) #######
ÿ íå ÷ìî (ñ) Ñèâó÷
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Âðåìÿ: 28.07.2010 19:13 
Ìîñêâà


Àëüìa , à òû òîãäà áû ÷òî ñîâåòîâàë?
Gibson EB bass/Gibson LP Std
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Âðåìÿ: 28.07.2010 19:14 
Ìîñêâà
Strat, ASAT, SG, Takamine

LEO , îí áåëûé!! à íå êàêîé-íèòü òàì .. ÷åðíûé))) íó è âñå øåñòü ñðàçó íàñòðàèâàåò. ïðîñòî áðÿìêíóë è îí âñ¸ ïîêàçàë òóò æå.
Strat, ASAT, SG->Budda-> Cmatmods Signa Comp-> Zendrive->OCD->Fulltone '70 -> MXR Phase 90-> T-Rex Tremster-> RC Booster-> Strymon Brigadier-> Strymon Blue Sky// TS-808->BJFe Folk Fuzz->Wampler Plexi Drive-> Ibanez Flanger->EHX Pulsar->Malekko 616
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Âðåìÿ: 28.07.2010 19:19 
Ìîñêâà


Gustaw ,
>ó è âñå øåñòü ñðàçó íàñòðàèâàåò. ïðîñòî áðÿìêíóë è îí âñ¸ ïîêàçàë òóò æå.
âîò ýòîò ìîìåíò ìíå íàèáîëåå íåïîíÿòåí. íó ïîêàæåò îí âñå øåñòü, à ðóêà îäíà âñåãî êîëîê êðóòèòü
Gibson EB bass/Gibson LP Std
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Âðåìÿ: 28.07.2010 19:23 
Ìîñêâà
Strat, ASAT, SG, Takamine

LEO , îäèí ðàç ïðîâåë è îí âñå ïîêàçàë, âñå 6 ñðàçó. êàêèå îê, êàêèå íå îê. åñëè 2 è 4 ðàññòðîåíû, íàïðèìåð, òî ÷óòîê èõ ïîäòÿíóë çà ïåëñåêóíäû, åùå ðàç áðûíüêíóë. è âïåðåä.òî åñòü ïîáûñòðåå è ïîïîíòîâåå.
Strat, ASAT, SG->Budda-> Cmatmods Signa Comp-> Zendrive->OCD->Fulltone '70 -> MXR Phase 90-> T-Rex Tremster-> RC Booster-> Strymon Brigadier-> Strymon Blue Sky// TS-808->BJFe Folk Fuzz->Wampler Plexi Drive-> Ibanez Flanger->EHX Pulsar->Malekko 616
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Âðåìÿ: 28.07.2010 19:25 
Ìîñêâà


Gustaw , õì. òû äóìàåøü, ÷òî ñòîèò ñìåíèòü?
Gibson EB bass/Gibson LP Std
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Âðåìÿ: 28.07.2010 19:32 
Ìîñêâà
Strat, ASAT, SG, Takamine

LEO , õî÷åøü - çàåäü - çàöåíèøü è ðåøèøü ñòÎèò ëè.
Strat, ASAT, SG->Budda-> Cmatmods Signa Comp-> Zendrive->OCD->Fulltone '70 -> MXR Phase 90-> T-Rex Tremster-> RC Booster-> Strymon Brigadier-> Strymon Blue Sky// TS-808->BJFe Folk Fuzz->Wampler Plexi Drive-> Ibanez Flanger->EHX Pulsar->Malekko 616
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Âðåìÿ: 28.07.2010 19:34 
Ìîñêâà


Gustaw , â Áóòîâî?)))
Gibson EB bass/Gibson LP Std
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Ìîñêâà
Strat, ASAT, SG, Takamine

LEO , íå âèæó íè÷å ñìåøíîãî, òîâàðèù))))
Strat, ASAT, SG->Budda-> Cmatmods Signa Comp-> Zendrive->OCD->Fulltone '70 -> MXR Phase 90-> T-Rex Tremster-> RC Booster-> Strymon Brigadier-> Strymon Blue Sky// TS-808->BJFe Folk Fuzz->Wampler Plexi Drive-> Ibanez Flanger->EHX Pulsar->Malekko 616
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Òåìà: Re: Ïîìîãèòå âûáðàòü òþíåð!!
Âðåìÿ: 28.07.2010 23:20 
ß Æåíàò
Íà Ñâîåé Äåâóøêå

Gustaw , ÷îïî÷îì òàêàÿ ïðèáëóäà ?


>Àëüìa , à òû òîãäà áû ÷òî ñîâåòîâàë?
ïèöîòïÿòü îíëè :idea2: :dur_486:
ÿ íå ìîãó ñêàçàòü#### (ñ) #######
ÿ íå ÷ìî (ñ) Ñèâó÷
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Òåìà: Re: Ïîìîãèòå âûáðàòü òþíåð!!
Âðåìÿ: 19.08.2010 15:35 
Ìîñêâà
Gibson SG Supreme : Hamer Centaura : Hamer Artist

Äà èíòåðåñíàÿ øòó÷êà.
http://accessories.musiciansfriend.com/product/TC-Electronic-PolyTune-Chromatic-Pedal-Tuner?sku=423383

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zwiRnFrWymY&feature=player_embedded
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Òåìà: Re: Ïîìîãèòå âûáðàòü òþíåð!!
Âðåìÿ: 19.08.2010 15:49 
Ìîñêâà
Gibson SG Supreme : Hamer Centaura : Hamer Artist

Êîìïàêòíûé ýòî õîðîøî, íî êîðïóñ óãëîâàò ìàðêèé, ãëÿíöåâûé è ñ öâåòîì òàêæå, âåùü íàïîëüíàÿ, ÷åðíûé öâåò ïîäîøåë-áû, ó êîðãà ñàìûé ðàç êîðïóñ, íî çäåñü ãëàâíîå, ÷òî âíóòðè,äóìàþ TC Electronic çäåñü øóãíóëî âïåðåä, áóäåì æäàòü,÷òî íîâîãî äðóãèå áðåíäû ïðåïëäíåñóò.
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Òåìà: Re: Ïîìîãèòå âûáðàòü òþíåð!!
Âðåìÿ: 21.08.2010 10:14 
ìåíÿ âûïèñàëè
óñìèðèòåëüíîå ðóáàøêî

à êòî-íèáóäü â êóðñå - åñòü êàêîé-íèáóäü áþäæåòíûé òþíåð â ðýêå îêðîìÿ áåõðèíãåðà. :what:

êîðãè âðîäå íåîïðàâäàííî äîðîãèå êîòîðûå ðýêîâûå. :4:
Äàìû è ãîñïîäà! Åæѣë³ ñ³ѣ åñòü àêêîðäåîíú-áóäó âûíóæäåíú ïð³íѣñò³ ñâî³ èçâ³íѣí³ÿ.
 ýòîò ôîðóì ìîãóò ïèñàòü òîëüêî çàðåãèñòðèðîâàííûå ïîëüçîâàòåëè!