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Ìîñêâà


Òîâàðèùè, ÷òîáû íå ñîçäàâàòü íîâóþ òåìó... êàêîé-íèáóäü äèñò íóæåí ÷òîá íå ôîíèë. Êàê ïðèìåð, ó ìåíÿ Ìàðøàëë Ãóâåðíåð áûë, ôîíèò ïðèëè÷íî. ×åì áîëüøå ãåéíà, òåì áîëüøå ôîíèò.
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Moskwah-wah-wah
Äâà

íóæíû õîðîøèå ïðîâîäà, ïðàâèëüíîå ïèòàíèå ïåäàëè è ýêðàíèðîâêà ãèòàðû =)
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Ìîñêâà
Strat, ASAT, SG, Takamine

èì ñâîéñòâåííî ôîíèòü... êàê íàì - îøèáàòüñÿ)
Strat, ASAT, SG->Budda-> Cmatmods Signa Comp-> Zendrive->OCD->Fulltone '70 -> MXR Phase 90-> T-Rex Tremster-> RC Booster-> Strymon Brigadier-> Strymon Blue Sky// TS-808->BJFe Folk Fuzz->Wampler Plexi Drive-> Ibanez Flanger->EHX Pulsar->Malekko 616
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Âðåìÿ: 04.08.2009 10:37 
Åëåö- ñèòè
ñâîåé ðàáîòû ìíîãî ïàëîê

>íóæíû õîðîøèå ïðîâîäà, ïðàâèëüíîå ïèòàíèå ïåäàëè è ýêðàíèðîâêà ãèòàðû =)
+ çàçåìëåíèå àïïàðàòà :idea2:
"Íå èìåé Àìàòè, à óìåé ëàáàòè..."
Ðåìîíò è èçãîòîâëåíèå íà çàêàç ýëåêòðîãèòàð è áàñîâ, http://vk.com/y.s.guitars
http://vk.com/yamayam
https://www.facebook.com/groups/y.s.guitars/
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Ïèòåð


Ïî ñàáæó - Catalinbread DLS êîíå÷íî æå.

Ìàðøàë, íàäåþñü, èìååòñÿ â âèäó ïëåêñè?
Tonechaser - ãèòàðíûå ýôôåêòû!
http://tonechaserfx.vkontakte.ru
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Âðåìÿ: 05.08.2009 13:51 
Ìîñêâà
Caparison Dellinger 7

íå ìîðî÷üñÿ, åñëè íóæåí çâóê ìàðøàëà, áåðè ìè àóäèî êðàí÷ áîêñ, äëÿ ìåíÿ ÈÌÕÎ ýòî îäèí èç ëó÷øèõ ìàðøàëîïîäîáíûõ äèñòîâ è ãåéíà íàâàëîì, ãëàâíîå ÷òî ìåíÿ ðàäóåò, íà íåì ìîæíî êðóòèòü âèíòàæíûé çâóê ìåòàëëèêè 83-84 ãîäîâ...
åñòü åùå Mad Professor Mighty Red Distortion íî åãî öåíà áîëüøå 300 áàêñîâ, îïðàâäàíî èëè íåò ñóäèòü êîíå÷íî òîìó, êòî åãî âûáðàë
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Âðåìÿ: 09.08.2009 10:03 

ãèòàðà, âîêàë

âîò ýòîò ðîëèê î÷åíü çàðàäîâàë, è ïåäàëüêî îòëè÷íî çâó÷èò ïîìîåìó. À åùå äåâ÷óøêà òàì âíà÷àëå çàáàâíàÿ :baby:
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Âðåìÿ: 09.08.2009 10:04 

ãèòàðà, âîêàë

èïóòòâîþìàòü, çàáûë ñîâñåì:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vr8dzLrc4xs&feature=related
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Âðåìÿ: 30.10.2009 17:59 
Moskwah-wah-wah
Äâà

à íèêòî íå ïðîäà¸ò äëñ â ìñê? çàêàçûâàòü ëåíèâî
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Âðåìÿ: 01.11.2009 11:16 
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Èãîðü, íàéäè íà ïðîáó RAT-II ( ÷åì ðàíüøå âûïóñê,òåì ëó÷øå )

http://cgi.ebay.com/1992-PROCO-RAT-distortion-pedal-USA-LM30...=item35a4931bb0

Boutique-tone íåäàâíî ïðîäàâàë , äîãîâîðèñü ïîäúåõàòü ïîñëóøàòü
http://www.musicforums.ru/combo/view.php?bn=mfor_combo&key=1...Rat#N1256047255

íå ïîíðàâèòüñÿ, òîãäà ìîæíî íà íîâîäåëû ñîâðåìåííûå ïîñìîòðåòü

Ãåéíà õâàòèò, ïðîðåçàåò îòìåííî, äèíàìèêà è ðåàêöèÿ íà ðó÷êó ãðîìêîñòè íà âûñîòå è ïðî÷èå ïðåëåñòè ...

Ñêîëüêî íå áûëî ïðèìî÷åê, âñå ðàâíî âîçâðàùàþñü ê íåìó
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### Æåíÿ ïðîäàë óæå ...
Âèêòîð Æóê ëþáèòåëü è âîçìîæíî äåðæàòåëü
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Âðåìÿ: 02.11.2009 00:06 
Çäðàâñòâóéòå. Âàø ïðîôàéë
îòðåäàêòèðîâàí

ñàìûé êðóòîé ìàðøàëëîâñêèé çâóê íàðóëèâàåòñÿ ñ ïðìîùüþ oohlala brown sound ÷òî -òî òèïà òàêîãî- íàçâàíèå... ðàçìåð ìîæåò áóäåò ïîáîëüøå ÷åì èøåùü, íî çâóê î÷åíü êðóò ... ïåäàëü ñîâñåì ìåëêîñåðèéíàÿ. ñåé÷àñ ïî ñëó÷àþ åñòü
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Âðåìÿ: 02.11.2009 13:53 
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D7
à öåííèê òèïà O-la-la - 300 áàêñîâ ìèíèìóì?

ñàìûé êðóòîé ìàðøàëëîâñêèé çâóê íàðóëèâàåòñÿ ñ ïðìîùüþ oohlala
ñèå óòâåðæäåíèå âåñüìà îòíîñèòåëüíî
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Âðåìÿ: 02.11.2009 18:43 
Moskwah-wah-wah
Äâà

íàø¸ë ñâîé èäåàë
Lovepedal Purple Plexi 800 :idea2:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uc2gSlMHkRg
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Âðåìÿ: 02.11.2009 18:48 
Ìîñêâà
Strat, ASAT, SG, Takamine

ìëÿ... ÿ òåáå åùå ãîä íàçàä ïî÷òè ãîâîðèë ïðî íåå...)) òû æèðàô)))
Strat, ASAT, SG->Budda-> Cmatmods Signa Comp-> Zendrive->OCD->Fulltone '70 -> MXR Phase 90-> T-Rex Tremster-> RC Booster-> Strymon Brigadier-> Strymon Blue Sky// TS-808->BJFe Folk Fuzz->Wampler Plexi Drive-> Ibanez Flanger->EHX Pulsar->Malekko 616
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Âðåìÿ: 02.11.2009 18:56 
Moskwah-wah-wah
Äâà

çàòî ÷åðåç ìåñÿöîê áóäåò âîçìîæíîñòü çàòåñòèòü :idea2:
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Âðåìÿ: 02.11.2009 18:57 
Ìîñêâà
Strat, ASAT, SG, Takamine

Jimmy_Budweiser, çàêàçàë? ìîëîä÷àãà)) íå çàáóäü ìåíÿ ïîçâàòü íà çàñëóøêó.. î÷åíü èíòåðåñíî æèâàãî))
Strat, ASAT, SG->Budda-> Cmatmods Signa Comp-> Zendrive->OCD->Fulltone '70 -> MXR Phase 90-> T-Rex Tremster-> RC Booster-> Strymon Brigadier-> Strymon Blue Sky// TS-808->BJFe Folk Fuzz->Wampler Plexi Drive-> Ibanez Flanger->EHX Pulsar->Malekko 616
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Âðåìÿ: 03.11.2009 16:38 



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Iflsc4uMGww
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Âðåìÿ: 03.11.2009 18:35 
Moskwah-wah-wah
Äâà

áûë ó ìåíÿ òàêîé
ÿ ôàíàò ýòîé ïåäàëè
íî îãðîìíàÿ îíà, íå âëåçåò â àêòóàëüíûé áîðä
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Âðåìÿ: 04.11.2009 10:47 
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Jimmy_Budweiser, ðàäè èíòåðåñà ïîñìîòðè

http://guitars.musiciansfriend.com/product/Radial-Engineerin...edal?sku=620001
The RAT.The last fuzz you will ever need!
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îêàçûâàåòñÿ è âèäþõà åñòü
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Td0UYNELmEc
The RAT.The last fuzz you will ever need!
No amount of talk on a forum will give you as much information as 10 seconds plugged in.
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Âðåìÿ: 04.11.2009 11:02 
ñàðàòîâ
banhammer

Plexi, ïåðïë ïëåêñè ëîâïåäàëü ýòî êñòàòè ïðîñòåéøèé êðàíê äèñòîðòóñ ìàêñèìóñ áåç ïåðâîãî êàñêàäà :6:
êîò, êàòîðûé ïàòîì óìèð :7:
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Âðåìÿ: 04.11.2009 13:14 
Éîøêàð-Îëà
Gibson

Jimmy_Budweiser Fulltone OCD v4 íå ðàññìàòðèâàë? Ìíå âîò Gustaw íàñîâåòîâàë - ÿ êóïèë è îñòàëñÿ î÷åíü äîâîëåí, ðóëèòñÿ ìíîãî èíòåðåñíûõ çâó÷êîâ. Zvex BoR hand painted ïðîäàë áåç çàçðåíèÿ ñîâåñòè :)
Gibson LP Standard
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Âðåìÿ: 04.11.2009 13:41 
Moskwah-wah-wah
Äâà

Digitech ÿ íåäàâíî ïðèí¸ñ ãóñòàâó Wampler Pinnacle è òåïåðü îí ñêîðåå âñåãî ïðîäàñò Fulltone OCD v4 :lol:

el Doctor íå îñîáî ïîíÿë íî ëèøü áû çâó÷àë êàê ìíå íàäî :idea2:

Plexi à òû þçàë? ÿ îòêðîâåííî ñêàæó î÷åíü ïðèñìàòðèâàëñÿ ê íåé
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Âðåìÿ: 04.11.2009 14:27 
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Fuzz

Èãîðü, íå þçàë, íî ïî âèäþõàì áîëüøå Radial Tonebone Hot British
âñòàâèë
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Âðåìÿ: 04.11.2009 14:31 
Moskwah-wah-wah
Äâà

>Èãîðü, íå þçàë, íî ïî âèäþõàì áîëüøå Radial Tonebone Hot British
>âñòàâèë

:lol: âñìûñëå áîëüøå ×ÅÌ Radial Tonebone Hot British ? èëè íàîáîðîò ?
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Âðåìÿ: 04.11.2009 14:33 
Ìîñêâà
ìíîãî ãèòàð, ïåäàëåé, êàáåëåé è àêñåññóàðîâ www.progita.ru

Maxon SD-9 î÷åíü õîðîøèé äèñòîðøí. î÷åíü õîðîøî äðóæèò ñ rc booster. Ñàì þçàþ â òàêîé êîìáèíàöèè ïî ïðèìåðó Ñêîòà Õåíäåðñîíà.
Äèëåð Suhr, PRS, Xotic, Zvex Effects, Empress Effects, Strymon, EWS, Rockett pedals, Red Witch, Rothwell, Fulltone, Voodoo Lab è äðóãèõ.
Ïîä çàêàç ëþáîé Fender, Jackson, Gibson, Gretsch, Taylor, Martin, Music Man. http://www.progita.ru
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Âðåìÿ: 04.11.2009 14:34 
ñàðàòîâ
banhammer

Jimmy_Budweiser, ýòî îçíà÷àåò ÷òî èìååò ïðîñòåéøóþ, ñõîæóþ ñ äèñòîðòóñ ìàêñèìóñ êîíñòðöêöèþ. Òîëüêî åùå ïðîùå))))
êîò, êàòîðûé ïàòîì óìèð :7:
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Âðåìÿ: 04.11.2009 14:38 
Moskwah-wah-wah
Äâà

Jimmy_Budweiser ãëàâíîå ÷òîáû çâó÷àëî :idea2:

progita.ru ó ìåíÿ áûë òàêîé, þçàë åãî âìåñòå ñ Maxon OD9 - áûëî âñ¸ âîëøåáíî, íî ñåé÷àñ îí íå î÷åíü ïîäõîäèò ìíå
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Âðåìÿ: 04.11.2009 14:54 
ñàðàòîâ
banhammer

Jimmy_Budweiser, çàïàÿþ íà äíÿõ ïîãëÿäèì ÷òî ê ÷åìó... :6:
êîò, êàòîðûé ïàòîì óìèð :7:
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Âðåìÿ: 04.11.2009 15:07 
Ìîñêâà
ìíîãî ãèòàð, ïåäàëåé, êàáåëåé è àêñåññóàðîâ www.progita.ru

Äà òî÷íî, òû ãîâîðèë ÷òî OD9 ó ìåíÿ ïðèîáðåë. Íî SD ýòî èìåííî äèñòîðøí à íå îâåðäðàéâ êàê OD. OD ýòî áëèæå ê òþáñêðèìåðó.
Îê, êàê íà ñ÷åò BBE crusher?
Äèëåð Suhr, PRS, Xotic, Zvex Effects, Empress Effects, Strymon, EWS, Rockett pedals, Red Witch, Rothwell, Fulltone, Voodoo Lab è äðóãèõ.
Ïîä çàêàç ëþáîé Fender, Jackson, Gibson, Gretsch, Taylor, Martin, Music Man. http://www.progita.ru
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Âðåìÿ: 04.11.2009 15:11 
Moskwah-wah-wah
Äâà

äà íå, ó ìåíÿ áûë îäíîâðåìåííî îä9 è ñä9, ÿ èõ âìåñòå þçàë )

ïîãëÿæó äåìêè êðàøåðà :idea2:
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Âðåìÿ: 04.11.2009 15:32 
Ìîñêâà
ìíîãî ãèòàð, ïåäàëåé, êàáåëåé è àêñåññóàðîâ www.progita.ru

äâàé. äåìêè íà þòóáå ïî êà÷åñòâó - îòñòîé, íî åñëè ÷òî - ïðèåçæàé ñëóøàòü â íàòóðå )
Äèëåð Suhr, PRS, Xotic, Zvex Effects, Empress Effects, Strymon, EWS, Rockett pedals, Red Witch, Rothwell, Fulltone, Voodoo Lab è äðóãèõ.
Ïîä çàêàç ëþáîé Fender, Jackson, Gibson, Gretsch, Taylor, Martin, Music Man. http://www.progita.ru
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Âðåìÿ: 04.11.2009 16:02 
Éîøêàð-Îëà
Gibson

>Digitech ÿ íåäàâíî ïðèí¸ñ ãóñòàâó Wampler Pinnacle è òåïåðü îí ñêîðåå âñåãî ïðîäàñò Fulltone OCD v4
>

ß äî ïîêóïêè ÎÑÄ òîæå äîëãî ñëóøàë äåìêè Ïèííàêëà, âåñü èíåò ïåðåðûë, îáñëóøàëñÿ ïî ïîëíîé. Íî ëè÷íî äëÿ ìåíÿ ÎÑÄ îêàçàëñÿ èíòåðåñíåå, ìíå ïîêàçàëîñü ÷òî Ïèííàêë èçëèøíå ÿðêîâàò ïî çâóêó - äëÿ ìåíÿ ýòî íå î÷åíü. Õîòÿ ìîãó áûòü íå ïðàâ - òàê êàê âñåãäà ïåäàëè âûáèðàþ òîëüêî ïî äåìêàì :)
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Âðåìÿ: 04.11.2009 16:20 
Ìîñêâà
Strat, ASAT, SG, Takamine

Ïèííàêë, öóãêî, î÷åíü õîðîø. íàäîáû åùå åãî çàòåñòèòü... óæå ïî èìåþùèìñÿ âïå÷àòëåíèÿì)
Strat, ASAT, SG->Budda-> Cmatmods Signa Comp-> Zendrive->OCD->Fulltone '70 -> MXR Phase 90-> T-Rex Tremster-> RC Booster-> Strymon Brigadier-> Strymon Blue Sky// TS-808->BJFe Folk Fuzz->Wampler Plexi Drive-> Ibanez Flanger->EHX Pulsar->Malekko 616
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Âðåìÿ: 04.11.2009 16:22 
Moskwah-wah-wah
Äâà

òû àáñîëþòíî ïðàâ íàñ÷¸ò ÿðêîñòè
íî îí íå òîëüêî ÿðêèé íî êàê áû ñêàçàòü çåðíèñòûé òàêîé åù¸

ýõ æàëü ÿ ëåíþñü äåëàòü êâèê-òåñòû âñåõ ïåäàëåé ÷òî ÷åðåç ìåíÿ ïðîõîäÿò
èãðàòü îäèí õðåí íå óìåþ íî è ïîñëå ïàðû ðèôôîâ æå ïîíÿòíî âñ¸ îáû÷íî
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Âðåìÿ: 04.11.2009 16:35 
Ìîñêâà
ìíîãî ãèòàð, ïåäàëåé, êàáåëåé è àêñåññóàðîâ www.progita.ru

Êñòàòè, ZVex Distortron âåñüìà óíèâåðñàëüíûé ïðèáîð.
Äèëåð Suhr, PRS, Xotic, Zvex Effects, Empress Effects, Strymon, EWS, Rockett pedals, Red Witch, Rothwell, Fulltone, Voodoo Lab è äðóãèõ.
Ïîä çàêàç ëþáîé Fender, Jackson, Gibson, Gretsch, Taylor, Martin, Music Man. http://www.progita.ru
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Òåìà: Re: Ïàðíè, ïîñîâåòóéòå äèñòîðøí )))
Âðåìÿ: 04.11.2009 17:19 
Ïèòåð


Òàê ýòîæ ïðàêòè÷åñêè òîò æå áîð, òîëüêî áåç áóñòà è ïàðîé òóìáëåðîâ.
Ìàðøàëëîéä. Òîãäà óæ ëó÷øå DLS.
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Òåìà: Re: Ïàðíè, ïîñîâåòóéòå äèñòîðøí )))
Âðåìÿ: 04.11.2009 17:27 
The
Fuzz

Èãîðü,áîëüøå ïîíðàâèëñÿ ñòàðøèé áðàò , ò.å. Radial Tonebone Hot British áîëüøå ÷åì, åãî ìåíüøèé
ß ïîíèìàþ, ÷òî ïðèáîð ãèáðèäíûé, íî òåëà â çâóêå ó ãèáðèäíèêà áîëüøå
The RAT.The last fuzz you will ever need!
No amount of talk on a forum will give you as much information as 10 seconds plugged in.
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Òåìà: Re: Ïàðíè, ïîñîâåòóéòå äèñòîðøí )))
Âðåìÿ: 04.11.2009 23:51 
Byzantium
Fender/Vigier guitars Marshall amps/cabs TN Torpedo Live

>Êñòàòè, ZVex Distortron âåñüìà óíèâåðñàëüíûé ïðèáîð.

.... íó... åñëè á òû ñêèíóë íåìíîãî öåíó, ñåé ïðèáîð ñòàë áû åù¸ óíèâåðñàëüíåå... ;-)
...Βυζαντινή Ρωμαίοι εδω ... Φαειτ τα σκαταμ.
 ýòîò ôîðóì ìîãóò ïèñàòü òîëüêî çàðåãèñòðèðîâàííûå ïîëüçîâàòåëè!